Grrl Power #973 – Ulna you di-in’t
Yeah, he just got punched through a cliff two pages ago, but I think this would hurt more. He’s used to getting punched and slamming into things. This is almost certainly a new pain for him, if not an entirely novel experience for a human being in general. Well, in all of the history of humanity, someone has definitely had their radius and ulna wedged apart in a… I’m going to say fencing accident? Not fencing with swords. I’m imagining someone installing a fence and some other guy fell off a roof and got a fence slat wedged into his forearm. That or some peasant has gotten a gladius or a bastard sword slammed through their forearm and then the sword got twisted and then the edges stuck into the bone and the knight is trying to yank it out and the peasant is thinking “This land dispute between noble houses has really gotten out of hand, which is a slightly ironic way to put it because part of my arm and hand just flew off oh god the pain.”
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the Japanese art of koppojutsu, or to use the cliffnotes version, the art of bone breaking.
nothing was broken; just dislocated
Pressure point fighting like that is hard.
Gross. That has to be near indescribable. The closest I could think would be to grab his colar bone and pull up. Effectively ripping your opponent apart bone by bone is a pain only reserved for the harshest of bastards. Kevin wasn’t that bad of a guy.
or the manubrium pain point. push in then down in that hollow just above where your collarbones meet
Wonder whats down there where Math is starting at…. jabbers backside?
That’s… kinda the point: Big Kev literally feeds on violence, Maxi just showed that she can inflict near-indescribable pain without a lot of violence
as someone who has has one of the forearm bones dislocated from the wrist, and has also had 2nd and 3rd degree burns, as well as multiple sprains and other dislocations, yeah, that’s not the top of the list, but it’s close to it. it’s the sort of pain that hurts at the site, but also in your nutsack and the pit of your stomach
“Kevin wasn’t that bad of a guy.”
You do remember that the person who just did that to him is the person he was actively trying to murder, taunting her as he was trying to murder her in front of her friends and teammates, since she was the only one who would possibly be able to stop him when he commits chaotic violence in the future, right?
He did make it very clear that he didn’t really want to kill her, but didn’t see any choice. We haven’t seen him kill anyone, and he even told the good guys go get vector bc he felt a bunch of ribs crunch.
“didn’t see any choice”
uh, he had a choice, NOT to do those things. What he saw was the only person he believed could take him down, and like any typical sociopathic man-baby decided he had to kill them rather than be a reasonable and civilized person and not commit acts of brutality, mind control, and assault on people.
We did establish in the last few pages that he requires violence to survive. He could have realized that and decided he had to remove the people responsible for stopping violence in order to live
“We did establish in the last few pages that he requires violence to survive.”
There are QUITE a few ways to have violence without breaking the law and assaulting people or trying to murder a person who’s too powerful for him to run ramshod over everyone. He can go to a freaking boxing match or MMA fight or football game. He can become a soldier or mercenary for the United States, and not only get violence, but also get PAID for it. He could BE a boxer or MMA fighter. He could become a Krav Maga instructor or learn that. He could go to any high stakes soccer match which tends to result in riots without any real push from him. In fact he sort of said he DOES do that.
“decided he had to remove the people responsible for stopping violence in order to live”
ARCHON does not stop violence. That’s not their charter. They stop crimes. And only specific crimes even, by superhumans. There are a whole lot of ways for him to engage in violence legally.
Heck, he could have just tried to JOIN ARCHON by applying normally even, explaining his powers to them like rational, non-psychopathic person, without trying to fight them and start a massive super brawl.
Kevin is not a good person.
“he didn’t really want to kill her, but didn’t see any choice”
That sort of logic is the same as a bank robber saying he didn’t want to have to take hostages and kill the bank guards and police, but he had to because they weren’t letting the police weren’t letting them get away with the money. He obviously had a choice. He could have surrendered. She was giving him that option MULTIPLE times. First asking, then ordering, then demanding after quite a bit of non-lethal violence each time (several times), then making it an ultimatum.
“he even told the good guys go get vector bc he felt a bunch of ribs crunch.”
The hostage taker who shoots the guard and the allows the police to take the injured guard out to the hospital is not suddenly a good person.
Yep Fractured Both Bone “Outward” about 2 Inches above the Wrist
Even with Extreme Pain Control,
That was a Significant Pain….
it’s not fracturing, it’s popping one of the forearm bones off at the wrist, it hurts more than popping a dislocated shoulder back in. nothing’s broken, just moved in a way nature never intended
I’ve had the Fractures….
I was Speaking on Personal Experiance
What Kevin got was More Extreme
No Doubt
I held my forearm seeing that x-ray (which should be in the next MK game btw) I have broken my arm but dear gods that looks like it would be a lot worse. Also, I think Max may have done something to her fingers doing that judging by that pop on the last panel.
oh yeah, Max very likely dislocated a finger, but popped it back into place. Pain but apparently not “Holy Balls, lady!”
painful, and she’s that tough.
she had the advantage of knowing it was coming
having had this injury from forced over-rotation of the wrist, as opposed to forcing them apart from between, I held my wrist in remembered pain.
damn- who remembers Presido with Sean Connery- “this thumb is too strong for you” – Max just upped it to Two fingered Bone Breaker…..
it work’s, well unless he does something non-standard like flexible bones or a rigid exoskeleton
So Maxima is channeling her inner Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star. Or I guess Shin using the Southern Cross style. A giant super muscled opponent defeated by a single, sudden and unspeakably violent move.
It’s speakably violent. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be speaking of it.
Also, OW.
there is also an utterly unique sound that resonates through your body as it pops out, slightly different from the one made popping back IN
yeah – there are those that say it’s less violent, and I mean… we’ll see how Kevin takes it, but to me, that’s more violent than socking him with a freight-train punch three or four times…
Pain doesn’t have to be violent, which was Maxi’s lesson of the Decade
Ive had a similar injury.
Corner of a couple hundred pound block landed on my forearm.
Youre not using that arm for awhile.
He’s weaker than a toddler? https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000983.htm
Compared to Maxima at his current level not being powered by a 30 super brawl? Possibly. :)
i was 26 or so when it happened to me, during grappling. partner instinctively did an aikido disable that they hadn’t been trained in. I hadn’t been trained to counter it, *pop* 10 seconds of pain-blindness. Putting it back in hurt worse.
I think that joke at the end of the page notes hurt more.
I don’t know why, but that had me rolling. Keep up that quality work man.
In laughter? Or sympathetic pain?
In general you can’t do that without at least one, probably 2+ fractures to the radius and the ulna without reinforced bones. Good thing Kevin is sturdy! I think I’d rather have a few fractures than that ulnar dislocation (distal) and radial head dislocation (proximal). That is a career ender for most non-supers. (Source: Am a hand therapist and I can’t find anything like this in the literature) (Also a really great chance for nerve injury. This is going to HURT. Maxima is a clever soul)
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I guess the idea is to have attacks that are debilitating and complicated, without needing a lot violence to cause.
That way he spends more on regenerating them, then he gains from them.
However that asumes his “healing and get stronger” powers work off Vehemic energy – and are not a seperate thing altogether.
Of course then continued combat might demoralize him into giving up. He is accustomed to being the punching bag. But these kind of injuries are – in lack of a better term – unnatural.
Heh. Since the definition of violence is “behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something”, and this Maxima’s action apparently hurt a lot, it is very violent, even if the force applied is limited. After all Kevin is not Anvil, and does not feed from kinetic energy.
If I was a GM here, I would say “Nice try, but he did get stronger from this attack too.”
yeah – I’m wondering if Sydney is going to have to intervene again… or if Maxima is going to have to choke him out… it is definitely more violent than a single punch, probably more violent than several punches.
So I guess it depends on whether @DaveB wants it to be a successful tweak on violence (like the pain distracts him from the fact that his forearm was completely punctured) or whether it powers him up even faster than the aforesaid several punches… Dave dictates how the powers work
there is a way to recreate that move in Pathfinder get a rouge or ninja go improved bluff, snake style to snake strike, greater unarmed mastery and pressure points ….. quick bluff to get them flatfooted and miss then go in for the sneek attack+ hand to hand+ reduction of str or dex, nasty combo also works with a party, if you have gang up, or improved grab and strangler ……
Strength doesn’t matter as much if you can’t think from pain or use your Limbs.
In that case, someone yelling at him hard enough should power him through the roof!
the least amount of violence for the most pain to disable (as in render the opponent either unable or unwilling to continue fighting). your opponent. Probably also good to keep in mind these dislocations, pressure points, and other sensitive tissue areas that may also apply to tanks/bruisers/brawlers so they can limit how much of the surrounding area gets damaged while fighting them. No need to repeat the debacle in Time’s Square.
At least this justifies the drawn out lead-up. Very interesting, DaveB.
His face in panel 2 was great. It is saved.
This makes me really unconfortable… I guess that’s the idea.
I don’t think Maxima used her strength as much as she used Vehemence’s against him. He was swinging his arm to smash her. and she punched her fingers in the way and held them there, before twisting. Irresistible force meeting irresistable force traveling travelling at right angles to it.
Her fingers smashed through the skin AND nerve, before she pupped the bone out of place.
That gives “Double finger penetration in a very inappropriate place” significantly different meaning
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeew
You know, I like to try and not read too much into this, but since the comic is constantly kinda half-self-aware; this is kind of fucked up. I mean sparring-wrestling with him is one thing, but this is really pretty much just torture. And maybe you could say “well Maxima wanted to try if this strategy would work”; but they have magic and now also space tech. I am pretty sure they could have cooked up a practice dummy-simulation VR thingy if they wanted to try this sooo much. Obviously that makes for a less cool comic page.
Just saying, this is borderline fucked up.
And she’s clearly enjoying it. You know, the more we see of Max, the less I like her. I would LOVE to see her face an opponent who outclasses her as much as she outclasses everybody else, just to see that arrogant self-confidence pierced for once.
That’s… actually happened a couple of times in this coming. Against Vehemence, for one. She did NOT win that fight alone.
Tai Chi actually hurts a LOT if you know what you’re doing. The thing about it is that it’s an entirely REACTIVE martial art that uses the force generated by the opponent to hurt them by applying considerably LESS force to redirect and leverage them in directions they didn’t plan to go. Tai Chi can end in broken bones and concussions. It’s not soft and painless if you’re fighting someone who knows what they’re doing.
Thing is, though, is that it’s a style designed to enable a weaker opponent to overcome a stronger opponent through finesse and skill. This means that it’s not a great fit for Maxima… not because she lacks finesse and skill, but because she only rarely ends up the weaker opponent, and can actively opt-out of being weaker most of the time. It should be a tool in her toolkit, but she’d only need it in very few edge cases.
The problem arts that claim to enable the weak to overcome the strong through finesse … is that nothing stops the strong from learning finesse also. After all, there are plenty of strong people around.
I have not seen many YouTube videos of Tai Chi practitioners using Tai Chi to actually win a fight, either by finesse or otherwise. It may be part of a balanced training regime, but alone it’s Cheerios without the milk or protein or fiber or other parts of a healthy breakfast.
Yeeeah, the strong learning a fighting style built around redirecting an aggressive opponent’s force in ways that said aggressor doesn’t like is REALLY going to help someone who’s actively intending to BE aggressive.
Sounds like you weren’t paying attention.
The whole point of Tai Chi’s combat philosophy is that it’s reactive. It’s effectively a style built primarily on counterattacks. It’s not going to be very useful to an attacker. In the family of martial arts that Tai Chi is part of, that’s what the predominantly physical styles of Kung Fu are all about… and yeah, they develop finesse and skill that way, but physics are still physics, and Tai Chi is about exploiting the physics of force and momentum, which finesse and skill only moderately change.
Besides, you referencing the idea that it’s not all things in all situations… isn’t a meaningful insight. NO MARTIAL ART is all things in all situations. Like I pointed out in my original post, these things are tools in a toolkit. Each one has its own utility, and its own strengths and weaknesses. In the communities where Tai Chi was developed, the standard expectation was that fighters would develop whichever Kung Fu schools suited them early in life, begin practicing Tai Chi later in life, when their physical strength began to wane after a few decades of already learning finesse and skill and honing their bodies, and then progress from Tai Chi to Chi Gung as their combat practices became increasingly abstract, philosophical, and focused on mastering balance, and reading intention.
None of these styles were necessarily inherently superior to the others; they were constructed and fine tuned to be good schools of thought to the people using them, to serve the specific needs of their practitioners, not to counter each other in games of one-upmanship.
Also, seriously, you think the measure of a martial art is whether or not you can find videos of it winning fights on Youtube? That’s very much missing the point of the practice no matter the style.
Sounds like you weren’t paying attention
rewinn simply said there was nothing to stop a strong brawler from learning finesse, fairly sure Tai Chi isn’t the only finesse-based art
I especially like Panel One’s row of bruisers casually ignoring their minor facial injuries (hey they’ve been through this before) because they’re looking forward to The Main Event.
Don’t break him too bad…
Sidney hasn’t had a turn yet :D
This has definitely happened, because that’s how they crucified people. Put the spike in the hands, and it will rip its way free. Put it between the radius and ulna, though, and it’s not coming out before they die(and not for a long time after they die, either).