Grrl Power #932 – Designing women
And here we are, the end of the Times Square arc. It honestly took quite a bit longer than I thought it would, but I could probably say that about any storyline in the comic, so at least I’m consistent in that regard.
Apparently that escape pod has a restroom equipped with a urinal. I think that’s a weird choice, but I guess Ray Cosmos has his preferences. I think you have to have a lot of faith in your artificial gravity technology to install a urinal on little ship like that. Well, unless your urinal has micro-singularity technology, in which case the margin of aim would be wider than with your standard urinal, depending of course on just how micro the singularity is.
Romulan ships power their warp-drives with singularities. You think they also use them as garbage disposals, or would that annoy the chief engineer because “the singularity needs to be perfectly balance or else the ship will be sucked into it.” Whiner.
The gender select screen is actually full of icons from just Earth genders. I couldn’t tell you what the majority of them represent, but I do hope the one that looks like a hurricane icon on weather maps is a really cool gender. Like, if there’s a gender called “Here I am,” then that’s the icon they should use. Anyway, that’s just some of the genders we have on Earth, (I think there might be as many as twice that), and we just have two biological sexes. Imagine how many gender identities there might be for a race that has three biological sexes. Like Xenomorphs. “Uh, actually, I’m a backburster. I had an uncle that was a craniumburster, but really, who wants to do that much digging?”
Of course, now that I’m writing this, the MeatBlanks site shouldn’t have Gender Selection, they should really only have Sex selection. Sex being physical set of attributes and gender being mental or emotional. The Flame-Demon-Thing provides the emotional stuff, MeatBlanks is just providing the chassis. Still, I’m sure we’ve all seen enough pictures on the internet to know that there’d be like… I don’t know, seven possible combinations of male and female equipment? A dozen? Now imagine including all kinds of stamens and tentacles and every other possible variation you’d need for a comprehensive alien customer base. The Sex options list would be pretty insanely large.
Fun fact, the mosaic effects in panel seven are pictures of pizza.
The new vote incentive isn’t quite ready yet. I tried something different this month – instead of doing one well painted picture with a bunch of dress variants, I wanted to tell a bit of a story with this one, so instead of one picture, you guys are getting seven or eight. The art is a little streamlined cause there’s only so much time in a month. Still, I miscalculated slightly, but I’ll have them up by this weekend or with Monday’s comic at the latest.
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Aww, no trace of Dabbler’s gender symbol? Or maybe the screen allows multiple choice?
Yeah, I know, they’re supposed to be selecting a sex, not a gender. But, you made the mistake, we’re just playing off it.
I suspect Dabbler’s chest insignia symbolizes omnisexuality, not gender or sex.
Shouldn’t the succubus symbol mean “consumes all genders”? Like “omnisexualvore”.
I think the phrase you’re looking for is “sexual mundivore.”
She is a tantric psionoclast.-
EBBY: We need a word that means “omnivorous like a forest fire.”
SCHLOCK: When you find that word, I will eat it.
mundivore=world-eater (Howard Tayler in “Schlock Mercenary”)
I guess it would work. Although “sexual mundivore” sounds like they eat worlds that have a gender.
mundivore=world-eater (Howard Tayler in “Schlock Mercenary”)
I guess it would work. Although “sexual mundivore” sounds like they eat worlds that engage in sex. Not creatures on the world, but the actual world. Now I’m thinking about how a succubus would have sex with a world.
This forum is full of the true kind of intellectuals who invent their own words.
Someone has to or words would never have come into existence. All language is made up then the most common are made official. Old words are removed and new words added every year.
“Hey you made that word up!”
Rogal Dorn: “All words are made up.”
if I remember correctly, William Shakespeare is credited with adding more words
to the English language than any other individual.
He didn’t create those words; he was just the first one to put them in writing and have the works survive.
He may have created every single one of those words, he may have created none of them and simply recorded them, or it could be somewhere between the two. Still, he is credited with the feat because there is currently no evidence to support anyone else having created them.
Indeed, I think one could readily argue that “creating” is only the first part of adding a word to a language. In order for the language to adopt a word, a large portion of its speakers must have some inkling of the word’s meaning and pronunciation or spelling. That meaning must spread to some critical percentage of language users, and then it can be considered “added”. If not for his works including the usage of said words, by all available evidence, they would not be part of the language, unless someone else added them later. He was therefore the clearest, most instrumental person in the adding of those words to the language that we know of today.
That he would have therefore been the one to “add” them to the language, through his recording them and disseminating them through performances of his works, sounds quite credible to me.
Erosvora.
Gender in this case being both the hardware ( brain, hormonal and physical, body tweaking) and mental wiring that life puts people through. And given that we’re probably dealing with a interstellar society’s with advanced body tweaking to the point were something like the entire fetish dictionary is possible, I’m frankly surprised that there’s nor a scroll bar on that screen.
Have you noticed how scrollbars shrink over time? Well, these guys have FTL, so…
Dabbler’s sexual orientation is “Yes.” It’s the polar opposite of “Ace.”
That was a Sexual Orientation Symbol, not her Gender Symbol.
And given that she hit on the Armor she was wearing, we know it is extremely inclusive.
The “female” symbol was extremely prominent, which happens to match Dabbler’s apparent gender. My guess is that symbol was a complete gender-and-sexuality symbol, i.e. “I am female and will have sex with anyone.”
Dabbler is all about including everyone within herself ;)
Those are genders? I thought they were Unknown.
quite a lot of them are real symbols, But I AM pretty sure a couple of them are unknown
That would be hilarious if a future Gen added Unown like that.
i like how shakes and fidget settels it …. male, female, divers …. that way no one can be left out ….
Let’s hope not, because the amount of energy you could generate by throwing matter into a black hole is enormous. Even assuming a lot of inefficiency in order to use part of the energy to both collect the energy and to protect the ship from the energy (which can be the same thing), you should be able to get a lot of power out of just throwing the daily trash generated by the crew and operation of a starship into your black hole. More than enough to power all ship systems, and potentially even high energy draw systems such as shields and weapons.
For more information, see – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-O-Qdh7VvQ with the power of about 1 cat you’d have enough energy to charge a country like Norway for a year. So you aren’t wrong.
That was amusing. But the poor cats! I prefer garbage generated energy. It would eliminate so many issues:
Landfills? Gone.
Nuclear waste? Gone.
Other toxic waste? Gone.
Sewage processing? Not entirely gone, but greatly reduced.
Litter? Not gone, but there’s a lot of incentive to collect that garbage so it can be turned into energy, so probably greatly reduced.
Recycling? An interesting thought experiment can be done here. Replicators exist in the same fictional universe, which are the reverse process since you’re apparently using energy to create matter. So the need for recycling is probably greatly reduced or even eliminated since a black hole + a replicator is essentially a recycling plant. And you don’t even need to sort!
STargate SG-1 should have been using the Stargate to get rid of nuclear and other toxic waste :)
Yknow, since anything in the blast when they open a wormhole is annihilated?
Actually didn’t Sydney propose that idea in the comic also?
I could have sworn an episode covered this at some point like, it wasn’t erased, just converted to energy and went through the Star Gate that way, so radioactive materials would just send the radiation through the gate or scatter it in the gate room.
Could you tell me which episode? Because I don’t remember ever seeing that. Thanks in advance.
I don’t remember the show had a lot of seasons and it has been a lot of years sense. This is more a “I could have sworn they covered that”, it might have been in that special they did, the behind the scenes and science explanations about the show that tried to answer various fan questions.
it’s canon in Star Trek that replicator technology is used for recycling, at least on starships and Starbases
and probably in most Federation cities
The thing is that Romulans technically CAN use the singularity for garbage disposal, but unless they are in fight, they have no use for that much energy so they can’t put all garbage there.
… explains why they are so trigger happy. “Let’s fight, the garbage is starting to smell.”
If they have good recycling, garbage singulatitifying would just increase the need for resupply. Better to turn the organic waste back into food, scrap materials into spare parts, etc. And try not to think about how many times you’ve eaten that sandwich.
Well, not to repeat myself, but I’m gonna anyway:
And with this kind of recycling setup you don’t need to think about how many times you’ve eaten that sandwich.
Wait, the arc is over? There were still all sorts of things left unresolved before this digression with the alien couple happened.
(I really want to say something about the genders business but it’s probably best if I avoid stepping in that hornets’ nest altogether.)
That was so romantic.
It’s over? Good. I want to get back to Concretia and her wardrobe selections. Why stop at quartz? I suggest amethyst.
May I suggest a lovely little leaded crystal ensemble? I call it the Rainbow Confection.
For some reason I instantly started picturing Kermit singing that with a banjo.
Actually, amethyst IS quartz. It’s just colored by impurities and lattice dislocations caused by radiation. (And excess exposure to solar UV will anneal those, turning it clear again, so you have to be careful.)
I dig it up at a mine near here, mostly you find the boring clear stuff, but sometimes you get lucky
Arent most gemstones a subtype of quartz?
No, you’re probably thinking of Corundum, which is the base molecule for most precious gemstones (Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald…).
Emerald is not a Corundum, it’s a Beryl.
But yes, Ruby is basically red Sapphire.
I wouldn’t know this much about gemology were not my wife a gemologist.
Perhaps some…. marble?
Cost prohibitive, although it makes me wonder why she isn’t out mining precious stones with her geotelekinesis instead of working construction or whatever she was doing before being bodynapped. Or maybe she does, we’ve got very little of her backstory still.
Probably because… she didn’t know she could
I suspect being friends with Syd will be great for her repertoire.
Can she do crystalline metals? Because bismuth looks amazing.
Can she do metals at all? AFAIK neither concrete nor asphalt, the things we’ve seen Concretia use as a ‘shell,’ contain any metals.
It occurs to me that if humans could configure their genitals, it would trigger a genital arms race. Similar to what’s going on in ducks. The females’ vaginas are configured to restrict males to the same species and only when she wants it, and males’ penises are configured to get inside females’ vaginas, no matter what. Look it up; it’s freaky as heck. Humans are pretty basic: Insert protrusion into cavity, and not many restrictions on either. Only one step up from bumping uglies.
Genitals: Biology’s last frontier.
Something like this https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2584 ?
Once again its time for this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k01DIVDJlY&t=7s
Humans are “pretty basic” … except our penises are relatively thick compared to our body, because we are too intelligent. Seriously. We have big brains. Those big brains needs to go through vagina on birth. That means the vagina needs to be relatively big as well. Aaand, therefore the penises needs to be thicker to fit.
I think you may have misspelled “Pelvises.”
I’m not usually one to remark on spelling, but where it can genuinely cause a misunderstanding, I speak up.
Yes, was wondering how a big brain was supposed to go through a vagina on birth, guess don’t have a big brain to figure it out :(
The pelvis is relevant to birth, but is not directly relevant to the thickness of the penis.
The birth canal does go through the vagina. Thus, the vagina proper (along with the other parts) must be larger to accommodate large brains.
And the size of the vagina *is* directly relevant to the thickness of the penis.
Thus, HKMaly was correct in concept and spelling. “Correcting” the spelling to something irrelevant is a pedantry fail.
I’ll just interpret the gender option as changing the sorting order of other options to show more likely picks earlier, as determined by frequency analysis of prior users that chose the particular gender symbol. They’re all still there for full customization, but good UI is about making things easier, right.
Anyhow, a tail is always a good choice. Dude’s got good taste.
Is it just me or are two of the gender choices the same?
Yeah, 9 and 18 I think (L>R, T>B).
3 and 5 (top row), not 9 (second row) and 18 (end of third row)
For the record, I only saw 3,5 and after the post 11, 20.
1,3 = 1,5
2,2 = 3,5
2,5 = 4,2
I think thats it.
Honestly surprised one of the Unown Pokémon didn’t get into the ‘gender’ glyphs.
when your first date is to build a body workshop things get intimate and/or awkward.
As someone who is both trans and worked in genetic research…
A common misconception is that gender is purely a choice or preference situation. Gender is as genetic as sex is. (Also, there’s more than two human sexes; there’s also intersex, neutre, and more. Just two *dominiant* sexes.) Sex & Gender are actually really crazy genetically, and unlike the pre-human-genome-project expectation that Sex & Gender were decided by the X & Y chromosome, research found that the sex & gender genes are spread throughout the human genome, and there’s well over 50 of them, each with a minimum of 10 variations for each one and coding for different (but interacting) aspects.
As far as number of possible human sexes… it’s in the double digits, easy. (A few of them aren’t viable, though, and traditional male and female are the clear winners as far as population count goes.)
But as far as the number of possible human genders…
Well, lets just say the genetics isn’t the currently limiting factor on that: The human population is.
As every combination of the gender-genes would technically be a different gender, and there’s 50 of them with 10 variations each, that means the amount of genders is 1 x 10^50(+).
That means a 1 followed by 50 zeroes is the number of genders.
That’s a hundred Quindecillion genders.
That means if we colonized every star in *the entire observable universe* with a population of 10 Quintillion people, then, and ONLY THEN, would we conceivably have hit every theoretical human gender….
And this is assuming zero complex mutations happened in all that time of colonization, which is super-unlikely.
The end story, though, is there will *always* be more human genders.
As for those who wonder what the deal is with choice on gender if it’s a genetic thing, when tested, it was found that a person’s chosen gender identity was 99.8% accurate towards telling what the (broad scope) genetics were. So, if someone says their gender is female. Chances are, they’re f***ing female, and insurance doesn’t want to have to pay to test for something so certain when the test is so expensive.
That’s fascinating. I do hope such tests become inexpensive, because while it’s fine and dandy for adults to choose what they want to go through, the question of children is way more problematic. They’re influenceable, have a lot of growing and changing parts already, so that’s one point where transition is iffy. But if we can have a test that is, let’s say, at the very least 90% effective and not too expensive, then medically transitioning children becomes way easier.
Your point is reasonable, but it seems like the 1e50 number is a gross oversimplification? Surely every combination wouldn’t manifest as a meaningfully distinct gender, just like every shade of hair or eye color on the visible light spectrum isn’t a truly distinct color. I know it’s not the same and the analogy breaks down here, but people can reasonably classified as having blue, green, or blue-green eyes, and there’s not really a meaningful distinction in the millions of actual shades across a population.
Most of those genes would be dormant or inactivated basically all the time…? Genuinely curious what number of combinations might really be distinguishable.
Each gene codes for a different trait. Those traits can overlap in what they do, but from what I’ve seen, none of them are identical. For example, one may deal more with gender-related stress responses, and another may deal with monthly cycle, and another may affect parental imprinting. In casual life, some things may be chalked up to ‘personality’ differences, but from an academic perspective, most of the combinations would actually have multiple unique defining traits.
Your pretense of counting every different gene combo as being a different gender is absurdist.
In effect, you are claiming there is no such thing as a meaningful gender. Which, I suppose, would be preferable socially to having to memorize every delusion anyone invents.
> the question of children is way more problematic
Not at all. It would be if puberty blockers didn’t exist, but they do, and they give children time to figure out themselves and mentally mature before they have to decide on what they’re going to do as far as physical maturity.
And this makes a HUGE difference in quality of life. Late-life transition, I know from experience, get very expensive and higher risk. I’m still only part way through all the work and surgies I need, and the end total will be well over $200,000 in costs; all to address dysphoria, which could easily have been addressed by a couple pills a day instead – puberty blockers in puberty, and then the right hormones later.
And the ‘downside’ of puberty blockers is it takes longer to enter and go through puberty, making it easier to focus on schoolwork instead of horomones. Doing so may even extend lifespan (research is still out on that, though, last I checked.)
When you get down to the real life applications, the situation is completely one-sided. If a kid has any doubt at all, give them puberty blockers. The worst that happens it they get better grades and live longer.
I can’t help a twinge of jealousy when I look around me today.
If I had been presented this option 30 odd years ago, my own life would have both radically different and, I suspect, generally happier. But this wasn’t something we knew could be discussed, back then, though I imagine the drugs existed. But I suspect my mother would have had a damn melt down; one of my earliest memories is her telling me, at age 4, when I tried to ask her about being a girl, was her very vehemently telling me, in no uncertain terms, that she didn’t want a girl.
“I made a special deal with heaven that I would love my children as long as I never had any girls.”
…and people wonder why our suicide rates are so high. >_<
That may not be the most horrifying story I’ve heard all year… But it’s up there.
It’s absolutely the most horrifying story I’ve heard all year.
And I have to live in my own life.
I perhaps spend too much time reviewing humanity’s many crimes against the universe. The problem is that they’re not hard to find — they don’t make much of an effort to hide them. If anything, they’re proud of a lot of them. So it’s hard to make it through a week without bumping into one horrible story or another.
Me, my parents have fortunately been super supportive of me in most things I do (although coming out as trans as an established R&D person well into my career was a bit of a shock to them, they adapted surprisingly quickly.)
Me, the only thing that kept me from transitioning was… well… me.
And I don’t mean that in a “I couldn’t bring myself to do it” kind of way, but that I was literally incapable of understanding my own feelings.
This is because in addition to dysphoria, I also have what’s called “Apathetic Depression”. Apathetic Depression is kind of like your every-day Depression’s younger and hotter sister. Instead of feeling super sad, feelings just… turn… off. The up side, is no suicidal tendencies. The downside is you hardly recognize there’s a problem so apathetic depression bouts can literally last years.
The problem with literally not feeling anything for years (and when I say not feel anything, it includes emotions, but isn’t *just* emotions. For example, the Paqui one-chip-challenge was a cakewalk. I once had a nail go straight through my entire foot, and I looked down at it, while my blood was pooling on the ground, and said outloud, “Hmm… that looks like it should hurt. I’ll go to the hospital after I finish taking out the trash.” … and then I didn’t, because I figured it’d be too much hassle.
I just didn’t feel the urgency. Doing things for joy or happiness were foreign concepts to me. Pain was non-existent. Everything was merely what it was. As such, I couldn’t feel the Dysphoria rampaging across my psyche. In fact, any strong emotion or stressors would trigger my apathetic depression, often before I could even feel the stressors. This meant dysphoria would *trigger* my Apathetic depression.
My lover urged me to see a counselor after I had been getting colder and colder emotionally, less human, and a 3-year bout of apathetic depression. They were scared for me. I couldn’t smile, couldn’t laugh. I couldn’t even tell them I loved them. When they told me they loved me, my response was, “The closest thing I have to love is what I feel for you.” It was cold. Honest. But cold. Many of my friends and loved ones thought I didn’t care for anyone. The thing was, I *wanted* to care, but couldn’t.
Well, their suggestion to see a counselor was logical, so I did.
The counselor, after a few sessions, was able to get me to feel my stressors without triggering the Apathetic Depression. Only a few feelings got through, but one was the dysphoria. And what had been happening all made sense.
When I started transitioning, all the pent up feelings that could never been expressed or felt, washed over me. I could be a human. The dysphoria had been reliably keeping the apathetic depression triggered.
Figuratively, the world went from black & white to color in an instant, and things began to make sense.
Literally, a cold & emotionless world flooded with feeling.
I wish, so wish, that it could have been diagnosed much sooner, so I could have enjoyed it.
As it is, sad to say, being pent up at home, unable to do much, home a pseudo-prison thanks to COVID… has literally been the happiest year-and-a-quarter of my life. The previous life, before transition and emotion… which included graduation, marriage, skydiving, sailing, sea diving, traveling to exotic locations… all pale in comparison.
Amazing what difference being able to feel makes. And kicking dysphoria to the curb right after was icing on the cake.
You know, gender is a complex phenomenon. It arises from a self-identification mechanism of the human brain called “proprioception.” This mechanism can be tricked in a variety of ways; including matters like a missing arm being present or health that isn’t real. These are called “phantom limb syndrome” and the “placebo effect” respectively. These can be caused genetically. Here’s the catch: the human genome? It’s not static. Genes are often silenced or expressed depending upon various internal and external factors. This is called “epigenetics.”
Did you know that the X chromosome is the primary carrier of critical bodily functions for both sexes? The Y chromosome does contain male-only genes, but these largely initiate genes found within X. The X chromosome isn’t the “female” chromosome – it’s simply “critical to all human life.” Well, I’m sure you knew that.
So, when you remark “it was found that a person’s chosen gender identity was 99.8% accurate,” what you’re telling us is that you decoded some genes (likely on the X chromosome; having a different test for males would be exponentially more costly) and found that they corresponded to gender identity.
What you failed to mention is important, though. Humans have two sex chromosomes, and because there are so many different variants and combinations of these 50 genes, it’s extremely likely the test subjects were heterozygous for gender variants. Hetrozygous; meaning they only inherited a specific variant from one parent. Perhaps, the variant was not silenced by epigenetics… Possibly because of the individual’s choice of lifestyle. Gender isn’t entirely a choice – but making that choice does have repercussions.
Yes, via epigenetics it’s possible for genetic gender identity to be redetermined by living and believing that one is a different gender. Gene expression can eventually change to match your beliefs. But… Gene expression can also change to defy your beliefs, too. Likely because the gene being silenced is a dysfunctional variant.
But not when one takes powerful drugs to force a certain gender. Epigenetics almost certainly underlies the typical reversion to physical sex by transgenders who reach adulthood. If they don’t receive these drugs their body self-rectifies dysfunctional variant genes. But if they do… Well, now they might be stuck with a dysfunctional variant.
Do you understand? Some of these variants cause immense psychological suffering. By testing and drugging you force these genes to stay active. You force people to suffer forever! These people need acceptance and care; not clinical treatment and drugs. It’s time we stop trying to “fix” transgenderism – and that goes for you, too.
Harmony, you’re ignoring what we know about epigenetics – and even basic genetics – so you may push your political agenda. That’s not how science works. Rather, your choices border on Japan-style experimentation. You’ve read about Unit 731, right? This is not an insult. It’s a fact. You should thank your lucky stars you’re no longer involved with that particular research; else you might’ve ended up on a war crime Wiki.
So stop trying to bend reality. It doesn’t work that way; not science, not politics, and certainly not ethics.
At least you declared such a blatant conflict of interest. But personally? I would suggest not publishing tripe.
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I’m sure someone will berate me in the comments without a lick of scientific or even logical refutation. To you, I say: This right here? This is why science has the reproducibility crisis. So-called “scientists” assigning a political purpose to their “data” rather than trying to understand the mechanism. It just pushes mass disinformation like the vaccine/autism campaign.
Oh, and uh, did you know the data for that autism study was published? Apparently the data was stolen from the FDA so the study’s author initially refused to disclose it. The data doesn’t support his autism conclusion – at all.
However, it does show Thimerosal-containing vaccines are related to several other diseases such as ADD, seizures, and motor tics. Gee, I wonder why they phased out Thimerosal… If the fool had done proper science we’d remember him as a hero. Instead, he’ll forever be the dumbass founder of anti-vax.
Crikey. That’s got to be the biggest load of pseudoscientific “It’s a choice”/”muh nonconservative politics” horseshit I’ve so far come across.
And none of it is correct, either. It’s just an enormous bullshit justification for bigotry that could not be further removed from both peer-reviewed science and trans people’s lived experiences if it tried (though there are a couple “theories” that are very close, though most of them are more readable and more obviously bullshit).
He’s doing this all over the damn place. *facepalm*
Running of reams of pure bs, like a coked up Shapiro clone.
Wzaerreazw has a reasoned argument and sound reasoning. If you do know what you are talking about, it should not be difficult to refute his argument on content. But you prefer to not even try. You both have nothing more to offer than character assassination and name-calling. So what you have to offer is your politically motivated beliefs, not knowledge. And you have not a shred of self-reflection. It shows you both haughtily arrogant and maliciously disingenious. Thank you for making that so clear.
Using the language of pathology to other people is a long-standing tactic of bigots, and deserves no more engagement than has already been used to identify & dismiss it. Additionally, there is literally no such thing as as a nonpolitical position or perspective when discussing social issues or matters of public policy, so trying invalidate someone by implying that they are “merely politically motivated,” is at best disingenuous, and conveniently ignores the fact that the opposing pov is at least as entangled in personal/cultural politics as our own.
I realize this will come as a soul-crushing revelation, but it isn’t our job to continually re-argue every bit of nonsense every transphobe regurgitates. We have more interesting & important things to spend our limited time on and, frankly, none of you are worth the effort. Harmony has already invested more effort than any of you deserve, there is plenty of reputable (and more importantly peer-reviewed) research available at your fingertips, and nobody is especially obliged to exhaust themselves for your entertainment.
I disagree with your sermon. You lost the argument because you had nothing but self-righteous arrogance to offer.
That’s nice.
I disagree with your hypocritically self righteous, arrogant, meritless attack on his argument.
The entire thing reads like a “pray away the gay” sermon with science buzzwords. The argument boils down to “people shouldn’t have the right to seek medical treatment because they might change their minds later.”
An “argument” equivalent to saying that a person missing a limb should wait until it’s too late to medically reattach the missing limb because they could end up deciding that they like being asymmetrical and suffer from cutting their arm off later. That’s nuts.
Whose argument? Wzaerreazw’s? I didn’t attack that. Bharda spent more words articulating that it was self-evident to him he didn’t need to show any flaws in Wzaerreazw reasoning or premises, and calling names, than actually refuting anything. I called Bharda on that.
You, now do the same thing. Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion. It is important to us.
She/Her, thank you.
On the contrary Iarei, if trans people want to transition, I’m all for it. But the scientific evidence shows that not only doesn’t this help (though several people have meritlessly claimed otherwise) it can be severely harmful long-term.
People can go out and buy ionic salts or whatever hocus pocus they want. I won’t pay for it with my medical insurance. All the more so when the treatment appears to kill more than it saves.
*Citation Needed
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
You’re citing a study that covers a period of time where violence & discrimination against trans people was not only the norm, it was damn near a matter of law. Find something that isn’t almost 20 years behind the curve.
You might also consider examining the suicide rate among those of us who do not transition. You know, for fucking context.
It’s a study from Sweden. They’re not America.
You know, I repeatedly post scientific studies and you repeatedly dismiss them out of hand.
Science isn’t perfect but it’s a damn sight better than wishfulness.
Transitioning reduces suicide rates for transgender folks. Here’s some studies
“After adjusting for personal characteristics and social support, chosen name use in more contexts was associated with lower depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior. Depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior were lowest when chosen names could be used in all four contexts.”
https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(18)30085-5/fulltext#intraref0010a
“Socially transitioned transgender children who are supported in their gender identity have developmentally normative levels of depression and only minimal elevations in anxiety, suggesting that psychopathology is not inevitable within this group. Especially striking is the comparison with reports of children with GID; socially transitioned transgender children have notably lower rates of internalizing psychopathology than previously reported among children with GID living as their natal sex.”
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223
MtF transitions are 2-4x more likely than FtM transitions. This is what we would expect from epigenetic silencing; males lack a second X chromosome. It’s quite scientific, thanks. Dismissing my claims says more about you than it does about me.
And bigotry? Pah, I’m probably further left than you. If you’d seen my post a few chapters ago you’d know I’m basically a walking experiment. Not only trans rights… I’m in favor of sentient AI rights, and those don’t even exist yet.
I just don’t like flat out lies being used to justify a political cause.
tl;dr
“A bunch of unsupported statements literally nobody was talking about, plus I’m a NazBol.”
that is one way to look at that data, yes.
but maybe another way is that it’s easier for ftm people to socially transition without medical intervention, and so you’re ignoring the fact that the data’s bad?
but honestly, claiming that gender is fully nurture OR fully nature is doomed, as at this point we know pretty well that it’s a mix of both.
Which is why I didn’t make that claim. So you’re ignoring the words in front of you, I suppose.
you used the words “mtf transitions are 2-4 times more likely than ftm transitions”
that is what I’m explicitly calling bullshit on
Oh, okay. Why didn’t you just say that? It depends on the region; some places like Japan do have a higher FtM ratio. My given figure was a rough estimate of the average.
https://www.academia.edu/6957670/The_Demographics_of_the_Transgender_Population
(Page 298-299)
Need help with those goalposts?
I don’t, because I answered the question with a proper scientific citation.
> I just don’t like flat out lies being used to justify a political cause.
I’m sorry for your self-loathing.
+1
I see. No valid response; just a condescending retort. Well at least you’re not working in science anymore.
Who gets to determine what is “valid?”
Me. I’m the only one who gets to determine what is valid. Unfortunately for the rest of you, I’m keeping my judgement to myself.
Random Guy: NOTICE
Trait Acquired: Wisdom
Someone claiming to (psychically?) know my thoughts is a good goalpost for invalidity.
You observing your behavior & extrapolating from it? Recognizing how it exactly follows the pattern of abuse & othering used by people who have called for our literal execution?
That’s called “guilt by asscoi8ation with my own delusions of persecution”
I’m not really sure what you’re asking.
Clearly you didn’t read what Wzae wrote.
You clearly missed this part, since you did exactly that – “I’m sure someone will berate me in the comments without a lick of scientific or even logical refutation.”
I haven’t reviewed the Literature on the reversion of gene expressions, but the statements are not crazy on their face. I see Wzea providing scientific references in the thread, while I see you with none, so if we’re talking pseudoscience, you’re the leading candidate, WTFdid.
> You know, gender is a complex phenomenon.
As a matter of fact, I do. That’s why it takes advanced degrees to properly understand it.
> It arises from a self-identification mechanism of the human brain called “proprioception.”
> Did you know that the X chromosome is the primary carrier of critical bodily functions for both sexes?
No, it’s not. There are 23 chromosomes, and the other 22 aren’t just lazing about doing nothing. Also, chromosomes do very little other than things involving mitosis. Saying chromosomes do something is like saying you’re going to eat your tupperware. The genes in the chromosomes do stuff, the chromosomes themselves do a few things, but not nearly as much as the genes do. Hypothetically, you could seperate out the genes into free-floating segments, and about 90% of functionality would still remain. Further, genes have little issue migrating chromosomes, so designated a specific chromosome as ‘Critical’ is just silly. That said, since the SRY gene typically on the Y chromosome has silencing effects on a lot of the genes on the X chromosome, and the Y chromosome has been steadily losing size for generations due to lack of use, the X and Y are arguably the *least* important chromosomes in the human body.
> So, when you remark “it was found that a person’s chosen gender identity was 99.8% accurate,” what you’re telling us is that you decoded some genes (likely on the X chromosome; having a different test for males would be exponentially more costly) and found that they corresponded to gender identity.
It’s not *ME* who did that work, for one. These are well documented and published scientific facts. (I recommend reading up on the scientific journal of endocrinology which has a lot of good articles on gender, genetics, biology, and its impacts.)
Further, testing the Y chromosome is easier than testing the X chromosome because it’s smaller. And a lot of the gender-related genes aren’t on *either* the X or Y.
> What you failed to mention is important, though. Humans have two sex chromosomes, and because there are so many different variants and combinations of these 50 genes, it’s extremely likely the test subjects were heterozygous for gender variants. Hetrozygous; meaning they only inherited a specific variant from one parent.
That’d be arguable if it wasn’t for the fact that gender-genes appear on way more than just the X & Y chromosomes. But as reality is, that’s so far in left field I’m surprised you even know those words. I’d also have to ask, “Which of the hundreds of studies are you thinking were so flawed?” I’d be amused to actually see you think you can take on an entire branch of genetics. You seem to think this is a ‘one paper’ scenario. It’s not.
> Yes, via epigenetics it’s possible for genetic gender identity to be redetermined by living and believing that one is a different gender. Gene expression can eventually change to match your beliefs. But… Gene expression can also change to defy your beliefs, too. Likely because the gene being silenced is a dysfunctional variant.
No, it’s really not. Thought-caused genetics are an extremely limited phenomena, only have very certain and haphazard effects. The ‘thoughts’ that cause them aren’t something so gentle as belief. It’s a stress-caused phenomena. So if your leg is ripped off, you’re hospitalized, bleeding out, and your parents disowned you at the same time, THAT *might* trigger enough of a stress response to cause an epigenetic silencing effect. And again, from what we can tell, it’s just haphazard silencing. So epigenetic stress-response silencing is more likely to give you heart disease than change your genetically-expressed gender.
> But not when one takes powerful drugs to force a certain gender. Epigenetics almost certainly underlies the typical reversion to physical sex by transgenders who reach adulthood. If they don’t receive these drugs their body self-rectifies dysfunctional variant genes. But if they do… Well, now they might be stuck with a dysfunctional variant.
Dysphoria is caused when there’s *already* a genetic mismatch acting. The *cure* is transition. People who go through transition are being pulled out of the dysfunctional scenario.
> Epigenetics almost certainly underlies the typical reversion to physical sex by transgenders who reach adulthood. If they don’t receive these drugs their body self-rectifies dysfunctional variant genes.
First off, there is no ‘typical reversion to physical sex’ by transgenders. Transgenders who do not transition or who do not take transition medications, etc. often die of depression before reaching adulthood.
Secondly, ‘reversion to physical sex’ as you call it (the proper term is retransition), happens in less than one in a thousand of transgendered individuals, and generally the individuals prefer to settle into a hybrid form rather than a complete retransition into their birth gender.
> Some of these variants cause immense psychological suffering. You force people to suffer forever! These people need acceptance and care; not clinical treatment and drugs. It’s time we stop trying to “fix” transgenderism – and that goes for you, too.
I think you have cause and effect reversed here. Not transitioning causes the psychological suffering. Not transitioning for transgender folks can result in fatal depression in nearly half of cases. Further, family unacceptance can increase this rate to well over 50%. In the vast majority of cases, when transition happens, psychological suffering ends and they are able to pursue relatively normal lives.
> Harmony, you’re ignoring what we know about epigenetics – and even basic genetics – so you may push your political agenda.
I can see why you’d assume as such, with your massively quantity of incorrect ‘knowledge’ on the topic. I’d suggest actually learning on the topic before you speak on it in the future, though. And from actual scientific journals, not your conservative blog posts.
> > “As someone who is both trans and worked in genetic research…”
> At least you declared such a blatant conflict of interest. But personally? I would suggest not publishing tripe.
No more conflict of interest than a cis person working on genetic research. Also, again, this is well-established in *many* scientific papers. Me publishing on the topic would be merely adding a drop to the ocean in attempt to make sure it’s wet.
> This is why science has the reproducibility crisis.
Except, it doesn’t. In fact, finding a well-published paper that hasn’t been reproduced and proving it wrong is a fast-track to tenure. Your knowledge of the situation is the scientific community is extremely un-informed.
> Oh, and uh, did you know the data for that autism study was published?
You think there’s only been one autism study? Seriously? That’s cute. Let’s see… quick research paper database, just looking for autism and published since 2020… it shows there’s been 39,700 research papers on autism since 2020 alone. I’m not surprised. Hm… now let’s see… which one of these 39,700 research papers could you be talking about? I can only guess it’s one being used as yet another anti-science scapegoat by some anti-vaxxer blogger who didn’t know how to read a scientific paper. Also, it’s funny you’re complaining about ‘stealing data’. It’s down right hilarious. The only thing I could think you’re misinterpreting is ‘failure to cite source’. Since data is freely shared and reused across all scientific communities (in fact half the point of publishing papers is so other people use your data), and the government is a major supplier of raw data. It’s quite hilarious you think ‘stealing data’ would be some kind of scandal. Taking credit for someone else’s work is a scandal. Not citing your sources is a scandal. Using FDA data in your research is expected and normal.
> Instead, he’ll forever be the dumbass founder of anti-vax.
Well, I’ve always figured everyone has at least one thing to teach me. I never knew that as a possible origin of the anti-vaxxers. Still, don’t see what your side-rant about anti-vaxxers has anything to do with the current conversation.
Quibbling over whether “chromosomes” do something genetically when I specifically said “carrier”? I’m just going to ignore you talking about X being the “least important” chromosome. That’s simply not true. You take a major cog out of a machine and the machine fails; it’s the same for any cell a la chromosome.
What you’re doing there? Starting off strong with factual misrepresentation? That’s psychological manipulation. Sorry, I won’t engage. Let’s look at the parts where you tried to engage in ways that don’t involve denigrating and insulting me.
True, but the Y chromosome has a lot more genes than just the SRY gene. Some sources say 50, others say 350, some say a lot of these genes are broken. Until recently we thought a lot of genes across all the chromosomes were broken. Turns out they weren’t; we just didn’t know what they were for. Don’t know how this is relevant, though.
Ah, both false feminist propaganda and false pseudoscience stuffed into one neat package.
The Y chromosome is shrinking not from lack of use but because those genes have been steadily re-positioned onto other chromosomes over millions of years. If you look at the situation from a evolutionary perspective, having diploid chromosomes is a distinct advantage in terms of both genetic integrity and the ability to withstand negative genetic mutations. Epigenetic silencing can play a larger role in conserving health when there exist two copies of a gene. In a sense, having a Y chromosome is indeed an evolutionary weakness, but that has nothing to do with disuse. Rather, the chromosome still exists because those genes have not yet migrated elsewhere. That’s the exact opposite of disuse; it’s too important to discard.
Actually, I didn’t know that. I’m not an expert in genetic science. I’ve read enough to know what’s wrong, and I can tell what you said here is likely correct. I’ll read more later.
As more diploid chromosomes possess probably hetrozygous copies of gender genes, epigenetic silencing will therefore become more statistically relevant in turn. Therefore, I have no idea why you’re saying it’s “arguable if it wasn’t for…” when by correcting my error you made my explanation better than it was.
After all, if gender genes were only present on the X/Y chromosomes, the silencing effect would be dramatically less beneficial in males. We do see more MtF transitions but I don’t have any hard data for that aspect. That said, I maintain that a 2-4x difference appears far greater than random chance plus social pressure.
I’m not disagreeing with those papers. So, great?
Stop right there. Thought leads to action; action leads to consequence. Thought is only a small part of the epigenetic puzzle. The actions one undertakes while believing themselves to be a given gender are far more deterministic than the thoughts themselves. Of those possible actions, the most invasive being drugs and surgery.
That’s ridiculous. If that was actually how epigenetics worked we’d all be dead when random genes critical to our bodily functions were silenced early in life and we became riddled with cancers and other maladies. Unless you’re only referencing the stress scenario; I explicitly was not.
Alright, I will be more clear. Dysphoria arises from a self-identification mechanism of the human brain called “proprioception.” Genetic gender variants can affect this mechanism negatively. But, while transition can be a cure, it can also be a way to ensure your body never manages to silence dysfunctional variant genes. Or, if it does, it will trap the person in their new body after their gender identity flips back to their birth sex. Which does happen in a majority of cases; though obviously not all.
Unless you know which specific gender variant they have and how that is expressed within the greater genome… You’re just playing genetic roulette with these people’s lives. Saying there’s “50^10 variants” is quite a problem for safe and ethical study of anything, never mind genetics. But I suppose as long as you don’t mind playing new-age Russian roulette, you can trick yourself into believing you’re helping these folks. Because, sure, you are helping some… while condemning the rest.
The suicide attempt rate for transgender teens is roughly 4-5x that of cisgendered teens.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/142/4/e20174218.full.pdf
The suicide rate (deaths) for transitioned adults is 18-20x higher than cisgendered adults.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to find a 1:1 comparison, but the fact the adult suicide rate stays so absurdly high after transition pretty much proves that transitioning doesn’t help as you claimed. If people want to transition that’s definitely their choice. I would not deny them the opportunity. But – testing for gender genes and requiring it as an insurance item? Especially for adolescents, where the suicide rate doesn’t appear to be as elevated as in transitioned adults? Hah! I’ll leave this country before I put a penny into a mass optional surgery program, trans, cis or whatever. Especially when the outcome appears to be even more suicide on top of additional health complications. I’m not in favor of trans-murder.
Except they have no vested interest in changing their data to suit their preconceptions. Unless you want to take the whole “systematic oppression” line I hear so much nowadays. But I think people are starting to realize that’s just an excuse used to enforce special privileges.
Wow, what’s this, a wikipedia article about about it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
Oh, denying reality now? Or are you going to demand I find one of the thousands of other sources that you could’ve easily located by typing two words into Google? Or your other preferred search engine.
Uh, sorry, it was like 5 years ago when I last looked into this. There were a lot less studies at the time even if we filter by “Thimerosal” and the guy’s name: “Mark Geier.” He wrote a paper purporting to show ASD at higher rates in vaccinated populations. Long story short, the data he used was raw data from actual people’s medical history; not research data. So, it was all protected by HIPAA, making it theft. Worse, the data didn’t even show what he claimed it showed. There were like 10 court cases over this. He was also sued for using chemical castration as a “treatment” etc.
That guy has published dozens of autism papers (77 from searching pubmed); several of them disproving his own claims while he says they’re support for his cause. IMO he is quite insane. I was just pointing out a specific case where science was misused to achieve pretty horrific results. Chemical castration being one.
> I’m just going to ignore you talking about X being the “least important” chromosome. That’s simply not true. You take a major cog out of a machine and the machine fails; it’s the same for any cell a la chromosome.
You’re the one who was trying to clam the X was the most important, when it’s simply not true.
> but the Y chromosome has a lot more genes than just the SRY gene
I never said it didn’t. I just said the genes that dealt with gender aren’t exclusively on the X & Y chromsome despite the pre-human-genome-project myth.
> [All the epigenetics stuff]
I’m not saying all epigenetics stuff is haphazard, there’s plenty of mechanisms that are very precise, but the ones we can affect by our own actions are not among the precise methods. Also, the HRT horomones (Estridol and Spiro) don’t cause methylation. In other words, they don’t silence genes.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Overall
This is actually news to me. Interesting. That said, there’s plenty of paper on transgenderism is and genetics, so it doesn’t appear that field is one of the categories suffering from this.
> The suicide attempt rate for…
The problem here is you’re comparing transitioned trans individuals vs cis trans individuals. Not transitioning doesn’t make a person cis. What needs to be compared is transitioned trans individuals vs non-transitioned trans individuals, because the choice of action is in the latter comparison, not the former. Social pressures cause a higher suicide rate on trans people vs cis people across the board.
(For research on how social transphobia affects suicide rates, see here: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf & https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0890856716319414)
> Except they have no vested interest in changing their data to suit their preconceptions.
Except cis people are proportionally much more invested in the status quo than trans people.
Well it is for sex determination so I just assumed it was for gender. We’ve established I was wrong. It’s definitely not least important, though. Missing an X chromosome typically means severe health complications; it’s called Turner syndrome. Missing both X chromosomes doesn’t have a name because the subject simply dies.
This is partly true, but the human body is a complex mechanism. Any chemical introduced into the human body on a consistent basis will cause at minimum a shift in bacterial activity and corresponding immune system changes. Notably, hormones of all kinds are fairly central to bodily function, and they are most likely to cause the chemical cascade necessary to initiate epigenetic changes.
I don’t have any great data on those drugs specifically, though I will try to show this as best I can. Luckily, there is a more commonly studied subject involving epigenetics: smoking. There are chemicals in cigarette smoke that cause direct damage to DNA and thus invoke methylation. However, nicotine itself does not act upon DNA directly. Instead, this chemical binds to nicotine receptors – much like estradol binds to estrogen receptors and spiro interacts with… quite a few receptors, but we’ll get back to that.
The place I read about nicotine binding was Wikipedia, and they do a far better job explaining things than I could, so I’ll just quote the wiki:
As you can see, the chemical itself was non-methylating, but nicotine basically makes a mess of your DNA’s epigenetics through cascading changes.
Remember that nicotine is not a core part of human biology like estrogen. Despite its relative insignificance, this one chemical initiated a whole slew of other cell-level responses. That’s simply how the human body works.
So when we introduce estradol it’s important to remember that the human body is going to alter its function similar to what we saw from the introduction of nicotine. Aside from reducing natural production of estrogens (the sexually male body does this, yes) the additional activation of estrogen receptors will increase the activity of cells and genetic functions related to estrogen. Which means we’ve already hit an stage where epigenetic DNA changes are occurring (though I can’t name which ones, sorry).
It doesn’t stop there. Estrogens also affect cell replication and is critical in many kinds of breast cancers. So again, there must be some kind of epigenetic changes that cause a relative increase in cancers, because cancer can only form when DNA mutations or epigenetic changes accumulate within a cell. If estradiol were not altering DNA methylation then there should be little to no change in cancer incidence – but this is not what we see in practice.
Finally, estrogen affects the structure of the human brain. The brain is extremely malleable to the extent that patients who suffered a stroke or lesion can sometimes regain lost function by “rerouting” around the damaged portions. Of course, the changes caused by Estradol will be a bit different: the brain will be attempting to perform the functions expected within a female body. I think you can already see how this becomes a problem later in life. The structure of the sexually male body isn’t what a feminized brain will handle efficiently. The brain doesn’t just deal with emotions and thoughts but also motor skills and basic bodily functions. This is likely where the cardiovascular diseases of transitioning arise (for spiro, too).
As for spiro, its function within the human body is far more complex. It not only has its own effects but it breaks down into several metabolites. Estradol breaks down into less effective forms of estrogen receptor agonists, but spiro appears to have effects on a whole host of receptors, both antagonistic and agonistic. I’m not going to try to break this down as I did with estrogen because it’ll take too long, so let’s just focus on one of the many effects: spirolactone is a diuretic.
Diuretics themselves have a whole host of side effects, but there is one we can clearly point to: water loss causes calcium depletion. Remember how nicotine raised calcium levels? Spiro indirectly decreases calcium levels. Calcium is absolutely critical to human bodily function right down to cellular signalling. So, we can already show that some form of calcium-related cascade not too dissimilar to nicotine should begin within a day or two after the introduction of spiro, if not sooner.
Of course, diuretics also cause sodium loss, and spiro specifically increases potassium levels. Both of these are critical to the Sodium-Potassium pump, a key controller of the osmolarity of a cell, involved in cellular signalling (though less so compared to calcium), and also important in neuronal potentiation. So, spiro specifically impacts all three of the most important cellular signalling chemicals of the human body, with an bonus impact on the nervous system. And that’s just from the diuretic portion. Again, I’m not going to list all the other effects, such as metabolic acidosis, where your body fluids literally become more acidic.
Haaaah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#In_medicine
Medicine is actually one of the worst. That’s why medicine is where the crisis was first detected. It’s currently believed that anywhere from 50 to 70% of all medical studies are either flawed or wrong. This is partly because in other fields like astrophysics they use very low p values like 0.0001. Medicine has used a p value of 0.05 for a very long time; which basically means there’s a 5% chance the results were random. If a study tests 5 different parameters this means they already have a 22% chance of false positive or negative. 10 parameters, and now a 40% chance. And so on.
That’s not the only issue. You just need to go to the NIH website and read some of the studies about the efficacy of cloth masks against COVID. You’ll see the crisis is still very much in progress. Many of these studies have a conclusion similar to “though we couldn’t demonstrate any positive effect of cloth masks, we still firmly believe the public should wear them as a precautionary measure…”
A Vietnamese study with superior test parameters found that N95 masks are exceptionally effective at stopping viruses of all kinds. Medical masks appeared to have a small, but positive, effect. Cloth masks? They were either totally ineffective, or, in some cases, increased the spread. One study found that COVID, specifically, somehow accumulated on the outside of cloth masks, waiting to be spread around. Indeed, cloth masks may be detrimental to the containment of COVID. We don’t really know because the science around COVID is filled to the brim with bunk. That’s just how it is in medical science right now.
Someone should do that study. Until then, it appears transitioned individuals die much faster. I can’t in good conscience support what appears to be a medically-sanctioned death camp.
Great, let’s focus on that instead of trying to medicate away people’s problems with society. I personally suffered immensely (7 years of physical therapy) due to a wrongly-prescribed medication, so although I am not trans, I have personal experience with this.
This is true, but the quality of their research tends to be higher based on the studies I’ve read. Trans folks seem to want to push change at the cost of ignoring the basics of science.
That would, of course, help them lead their own personal genocide. While some people might say “let evolution take care of it” – I’m unconvinced trans genes can be bred out of the human genome no matter how many of them die and/or are castrated. They, along with other forms of “sexual deviancy,” as the Catholic church would call it, have been persecuted and executed for millennia. It’s hard to imagine why anyone rational would think continued persecution could solve a damn thing. *scoff*
I’m curious as to why the studies you referenced were all from at least a decade or so ago, and which primarily on data from no later than 2005? Were you unable to find new research that supported your suppositions and assumptions? There has been quite a lot of research done in the last decade, especially with more transgender people coming out due to greater social acceptance. For instance, back in 2004, when I transitioned, the estimated suicide rate for transgender people was believed to be around 80%, where as now, the suicide rate for transgender people is approximately 40%, and the majority of the current suicide rate is directly related to social and familiar discrimination and prevention of the transgender person from transitioning. Please do some actual research into the matter, rather than relying on outdated research papers which have long since been proven inaccurate, flawed, and biased due to the societal disapproval of transgender people at the time of their writing. Or better yet, leave transgender people alone and stop trying to spread discrimination against transgender people altogether. Thanks.
> I’m curious as to why the studies you referenced were all from at least a decade or so ago, and which primarily on data from no later than 2005?
I’m figuring he can’t find any new stuff to support his views because the human genome completed around the end of his time range. After that, geneticists quit buying into the X & Y myth.
I notice you’ve stopped conversing with science and have moved onto verbal abuse.
Excuse me, Caitlyn. The “80%” and “40%” figures you gave were both based on flawed studies. The 40% one in particular was gathered from a group of 17 transexuals. More importantly, it was suicide attempt rate; they did not complete the act.
I have done my research and I invite you to do the same. Notice I’m the only one even bothering to cite papers. I welcome you to cite the “80%” and “40%” papers if you’re able.
,You are, rather verbose! :)
I know someone on Reddit that’s technically twins, and the only functional hermaphrodite in the world.
Doesn’t mean they invented a new sex though, they’re literally chimeric twins who ate each other.
I feel that most of the “sex” you mentioned could be classified into “working” and “non working” with a third “depends on the case” since most of the other genetic abnormalities don’t result in functional breeding capabilities.
Sex and gender are different things.
Also? Applying phrases like “functional breeding capabilities” to human beings is super Eugenicsy.
Eugenics is just the practice of human genetic manipulation via controlled sex practices. It’s not bad “’cause the Nazis did it.” Which has been a decades-old excuse that simply needs to die. You want to be fully genetically transgender? Or, I don’t know, whatever other changes you want? Then we need to use CRISPR to do proper genetic manipulation; with none of that Nazi propaganda crap boiling over from ages past.
So, please, stuff it. This isn’t the dark ages. The inquisition isn’t going to back you up on this one. Tumblr doesn’t have an army of knights nor pope-sanctioned torture chambers. Hopefully, nor will they ever.
You’re right, it isn’t bad “because the Nazis didn’t,” it’s bad because treating human beings like livestock is inherently dehumanizing and violates personal body autonomy.
Fucking NazBol…
Also? Maybe avoid dumping a bunch of extraneous nonsense (such as completely irrelevant references to popes, knights, and the inquisition) into your posts. Moreover, CRISPR has exactly not one fucking thing thing to do with any part of the conversation about whether or not it’s cool for you to pathologize transpeople. It’s neat tech, and should definitely by expanded on, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
And that’s coming from a transhumanist.
People can be tossed into concentration camps without being subjected to eugenics. And, eugenics can also be practiced without state interference. So please – stop calling me rude epithets.
It has everything to do with the topic at hand. Surgery doesn’t fix the genetic maladaptations.(1) If someone wants to be genetically and physically a different gender then CRISPR is the only option that is currently viable and as opposed to some hypothetical pipe dream.
(1)https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
I study transhumanist science with some regularity.
It all started when I was forced to experiment on myself due to severe brain damage. It took several years to make a breakthrough. During that time I experienced suffering far beyond what any human I’ve talked to was even willing to listen to, never mind comprehend. I’ve had real doctors look at me like I was some kind of undead monster.
See, human proprioception can feel pain from any part of the body. It can also feel pain from parts of the body which have been severed. Which means… Yeah, I had immense pain nearly everywhere, including in places that don’t even exist on a human’s body. Among other suffering. Skin sloughing off, huge patches of ulcerations, abscesses the size of your fist, starvation, dislocations, etc. I should already be dead.
So… When I say “I too am transhumanist” I hope you understand that I have a very vested interest in pushing the study of transhumanism and all its related branches as hard as I possibly can. Before… Perhaps my body finally breaks down from the immense stress I’ve suffered over these years. I’m mostly better now, physically, mentally, but that damage doesn’t just go away. It accumulates. In more ways than one.
The way we’re going, right now? Scientifically? Ideologically? I’ll be dead before we see a breakthrough. Naturally, I don’t want that.
It isn’t the presence or absence of a state that makes eugenics unethical & immoral, it’s the part where you dehumanize people by reducing them to breeding stock & biological resources.
This is the bit that’s undermining & delegitimizing everything else you say.
You refuse to address people as people, as equal, and equally valid & valued human beings. You keep trying to “but,” and it is really, really telling of your character.
That’s the bottom line, it’s pretty fucking ugly, and no amount of hyper rational posturing or five dollar words is going to change the fact of it. No agenda of otherwise Leftist policy stances can paper it over, and I’ll remind you that you yourself claimed to be “more Left.”
That’s why I’m calling you a fucking NazBol.
It’s how you act.
Don’t like it?
Change yourself.
Well, bluntly put Bharda, the moment you called me a NazBol was the moment I decided you’d have to try much harder to convince me of anything. So far you’re failing spectacularly. And I, unlike most people, am very open to new ideas and information.
I imagine most people on the internet would immediately assume you aren’t even worth communicating with. So, ironically, you’re dehumanizing yourself when you do that.
That’s so weird!
See, the moment I called you a NazBol, was the moment I had figured out that I don’t actually give two tugs of dead dog’s dork about convincing you anything.
Spooky, huh? (=D
What’s weirder is the reason most Trans people commit suicide is because people around them ruthlessly and unfailingly berate and abuse them, then demand the Trans person changes their mind to match what the abuser wants.
You are exactly what you hate.
tl;dr
“I’m the real victim.”
Well, sometimes it’s true. Much of Hitler’s and Stalin’s platforms were basised on claiming to be the victim before anyone even asked. Then people who cried out for help were ignored because they weren’t “the real victim.” That’s why so many Jews were executed before the NSDAP’s actions became public and also why Communist Russia perpetually used gulag labor without the majority of the world cracking down.
Incidentally, it’s also how the U.S. has gotten away with mass incarceration despite the majority of those incarcerated being black. Biden was the one who authored the mass incarceration laws – all of them, look it up – and we elected him to the presidency anyway. That doesn’t say anything positive about Trump, of course. I stayed the hell away from this election despite having voted in every prior. If my choices are “rude authoritarian” or “nice authoritarian” then it’s not really a choice, is it?
Wzaerreazw: Your options were between “Rule of Law” and “Rule of Man”.
If one man disregards law and the other mangles law then in reality it’s Rule of Man either way. It’s just one of them writes it down on paper and the other does not.
Intent matters. Failure to be perfect is not equivalent to intentional evil.
You’re narrowing a general statement down to a more specific claim then attacking that claim. This is called a “strawman fallacy.”
Moreover:
First, you introduce the concept of intent and then claim that this intent is critical to conduct intentional evil. Well duh, that’s why I didn’t make such a claim. This argument is circular in addition to being a strawman.
If you’re still putting that stress into your body and holding onto it, I’d suggest NLP. A couple of simple techniques, repeated as necessary, can release that crap one chunk at a time so that you are only dealing with the present physical and biological situation, not the constant echoes of prior states.
Buy some old used Tony Robbins tapes and check out the section on “simple anchoring” and then the one on “add a resource”.
I am not, but thank you for the suggestions. In short, I likely suffered a large number of brain lesions that resulted in physical and mental incapacitation. No matter what I do now I’m likely not going to escape all of my problems. One can hope, but to rely on hope is a fool’s errand.
Just to give a less-traumatizing tidbit; at one point I realized I was sleeping more each day, to the point I was only awake for 30 mins-1 hr every day. I remember this moment as I was laying in bed. I thought, “I am slipping into a permanent coma one minute at a time.” At that moment, all the pain I was suffering, it suddenly didn’t matter because… Well, if I didn’t do something drastic, it would never matter again. I needed to do something, anything, now.
After that I started crawling to the bathtub every time I was able and letting the water run onto me to hopefully keep my nervous system active. More than once I nearly drowned because I somehow blocked the drain or breathed in water from the shower after falling asleep. I got hypothermia a few times when the water went cold. But I kept at it because I didn’t know what else to do. Thankfully, after a few weeks of this, I started to gain minutes.
Every step from there was an immense struggle for the next 7 years. But the fear of death kept me going every time I wanted to stop. And, the few times I did stop, within days my health would crash from “terrible” to whatever is below that. It was a constant reminder the grim reaper was near.
I was forced to dig deeper than simple conceptual associations because a large part of what made my body and mind function – a large part of what made me, even – was not just “suppressed” or “blocked” – it outright caused seizures. At least, I was confirmed to have epilepsy by a series of overnight studies done at a hospital. Some regions of my brain had suffered physical damage and it had become abundantly clear I was not getting them back.
I know I’m not the same person I was, but I’ve made great efforts to become better than that, because I now see every minute wasted as a missed opportunity.
And yes, that is the “less-traumatic” version. Please don’t ask for the details. I can tell you but it’s probably more harmful to your mental health than mine at this point.
I can’t give a direct link to the comment where I explained how I resolved the more complex parts of my situation, but below’s the page, just scroll down a bit. And try to keep an open mind. I know it’s not “classical” or “accepted” knowledge, but it does work, and repeatedly as science requires.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-930-emergency-escape-lizard/#comment-885407
It’s a good thing I specifically said “didn’t invent a new sex” as if I used the words I used specifically because I picked them.
I’ll give you a hint, it is because I did.
I realize you are here being specifically reactionary to anything that even remotely sounds problematic to your way of thinking, but you are incorrect.
It is not “eugenicsy” to describe the fertility of a human being. The words I used i specifically used to denote that this human being, barring unforeseen complications, could reproduce naturally with both sets of sex organs. I made no statement of *quality* about that reproduction, only of *quantity*
It is not “eugenicsy” to visit an IVF clinic, or to have ones sperm counts examined. It is not “eugenicsy” to evaluate an aspect of human existence that is so core to our being, namely reproduction. I made neither value judgement, nor recommendation, instead only a statement of, unless they have discovered otherwise between then and now, fact.
Whether a human can reproduce or not has nothing to do with whether they are a human, and furthermore that wasn’t the discussion I was having. I’ll appreciate it if you don’t insert radical ideas into discussions about biology, since the comment *I* was replying to was professing to be some sort of medical expert, and statements about the validness of one’s right to reproduce was nowhere involved.
Other commenters also have made the bad habit of inserting words into my mouth, and I’ll thank you not to do the same.
…. what sort of fucked up definition are you using for “functional hermaphrodite?”
because like, unless you’re out here saying that ~1.5% of all humans are barren, which is a BOLD take, then no, there are other intersex individuals that can conceive.
Well it’s not like they’ve tested them out. But we are talking about sexual reproduction, since we are a sexually dimorphic species that reproduces using a different method than mitosis or cloning etc, and this person, barring unknown complications, could reproduce naturally with both sets, making them functionally hermaphroditic, not just cosmetically hermaphroditic. Snails are hermaphroditic, ever looked up how they breed? It’s weird.
I don’t know what the rate of “that looks like a penis, but doesn’t make sperm” exists in the world, you’ll notice I didn’t make any statements about them, only this one person I know of.
And I have no idea what you mean with the rest of your contradictory statements.
Why in the world would you limit hermaphrodites to simply the functioning ones? You might as well say women in menopause are no longer women, and that’d be BS too.
Hermaphrodites, are only in bugs and worms!
I didn’t limit hermaphrodites to only the functional ones, you’ll notice, if you speak English, that “functional” is a descriptor of the type of hermaphrodite they are, as in, barring unforeseen complications, since they’ve never tested them out, they could reproduce like humans normally do, but with both, instead of just one.
You see, a long time ago the greeks discovered that you can use words to describe groups of objects, and that just because something belongs to one group doesn’t exclude it from belonging to other groups, or make any statements about the existence or non existence of other objects or groups of objects
I could be persuaded to go so far as to postulate that to be “hermaphroditic” necessitates being able to reproduce with both, but that’s not the discussion I was having. You are thinking of the term “intersex” which just means “heck if I know what that is, taint one nor t’other” as opposed to, by definition, a creature possessing both male and female reproductive organs.
Snails are hermaphroditic, humans are sexually dimorphic.
But please, tell me more about how I’m saying things that are coming out of your mouth, and not mine.
“functional hermaphrodite” is an oxymoron. They is no such thing, in the human species.
No, really, there’s at least one, because like I said, they were twins that ate each other in the womb. The only reason I refer to them as one person and not two people is the only thing that got duplicated was the sex organs, there’s only one mind, and the usual number of other things.
You are correct though, humans don’t usually have a method of creating hermaphroditic members of it’s species, and they only arise through complexities of existence that are, for lack of a genteel phrase, complications during gestation.
See how my answer was succinct and specific? You could endeavor to behave similarly, as when dealing with idiots and ideologies online, word choice is everything.
There are a lot of different eye colors that are all called “Brown”, and a lot of different eye colors that are all called “Blue”. They run from pale to dark, they run from pure to gold-tinged to mottled. My own are dark brown, mottled with green. My wife’s eyes are a very particular shade of gray-blue that reminds me of the sea.
But when we want to give a quick description of ourselves to another person, I just say “Brown” and she just says “Blue.” There’s a lot of different ways to be brown-eyed, and there are a lot of different ways to be blue-eyed, and that’s fine.
I think people just need to lighten the fuck up and accept the idea that the same way there’s more than one shade of brown and more than one shade of blue, there’s more than one configuration that has the right to call itself “male” and more than one configuration that has the right to call itself “female.” We may need a few additional words as well – heck, my sister’s eyes are green! But we don’t need to be in people’s face about what category their unique combination falls into. Generally they’d probably know better than us.
Thank you, hon. ^_^
+1 Internets
I also vote you a +1.
If people feel they’re distinct enough to use a different word, let them. If they think it’s close enough to fall into a broad category, let them do that too.
(And for the record, I use the term ‘burned brass’ for my eye color, and ‘chocolate cosmo’ for my hair color. :) )
You suddenly reminded me of technique for explaining colors to the congenitally blind.
It’s…a sort of induced synesthesia. You say something like, “this is blue,” and give some inputs for their senses. Cool water, blueberries, actual Blues music (usually something noir).
When you said ‘chocolate cosmo,’ my first impulse was thinking, “the color or the the flavor of the drink?” XD
Yes, they’d know better than anyone else. So they shouldn’t expect anyone else to know something that they cannot even perceive, and shouldn’t get offended when people refer to the things they can perceive. If someone calls your eyes “brown”, are you going to go “Ahem, they’re actually…”?
*bows*
You, madam, are a fecking Queen. Thank you.
Thanks. *blush*
You have no clue, of the causes, gender is not genetic. Transpeople, have disproven that, just by existing!
As I mentioned, research has a 99.8% predictive rate between a trans person’s chosen gender, and their genetic gender. Trans people exist. As I mentioned, I’m one myself. And I feel the need to point out considering your reaction, I’m not a transmedicalist which is a dis-proven viewpoint (which claimed that medical review and problem correction was neccesarry to determine transgenderism). The research is pretty solid that a person’s views and opinions on their gender are heavily influenced by their genetics. The research I talk of supports Trans people’s right to choose.
Got a citation on that 99.8% figure?
Sounds like big news if accurate but I tried to look and can’t find it.
You’d be surprised how much “big news” happens in science that doesn’t make the news. For example the less than 1% margin of error of genes vs gender identity was shown by Dr. Theisen and was shown in “Nature” scientific journal on whole exome genome sequencing. Similar was shown in Dr. Roselli’s paper in “Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology” on sexual differentiation. There’s other papers too, that’s just the few that come to mind.
The thing is, getting the news to report on “Yea, trans people are natural and genetically validated and their transness should be respected.” Is super-hard to get news people to report on, because “It’s oh so politically controversial, are you suuuuureeee?” and any news report turns into “Hey, Timmy is trans. How has that been a struggle for her parents?”
Okay, trying not to rant, but science is so far ahead of where the news is on trans knowledge that it’s sad, angering, and depressing.
Let’s be brutally honest, here.
The media is more interested in the controversy, because they are corporate agents, motivated by profit & nothing but, and conflict sells.
Let’s be brutally honest here. To demonstrate 99.8% accuracy, you’d have to have over 500 trans persons in the study. No such study has occurred.
Here’s a reference to Thiessen’s study, which included only 30 total trans persons.
https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-people-gender-dysphoria-gene-variants-study-1486270
Perhaps they are referring to the fact that only 0.2% of people identified as female at birth end up suffering gender dysphoria? That’s one place where 99.8% is an actual number. So you get 99.8% correct gene to sex match from a standing start.
Gender, is, NOT genetic!!!!!!
That’s not proven in either direction, and largely depends on how you define “gender”.
I actually really hope those two come back. Maybe migrate to earth or something. They’re fun.
using digitized pizza images for genitals reminds me of this clip from 2014
https://www.cc.com/video/5plvsu/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-sexy-halloween-costumes
pity poor jon stewart. she got him good.
yes I am old. you will get off my poorly-cared-for lawn immediately.
Third panel had me thinking of the failed attempt to get a supers genetics.
Mix and match rules with a future potential to add super powers.
Like this – http://ps238.nodwick.com/comic/07212008/
I like this whole arc, Dave; but I actually think this is the funniest page in the arc! :-) :-) :-)
If you’re conflating sex and gender wouldn’t there only be eight?
The stages of sexual reproduction are fertilization, receiving fertilization, bearing children, and raising children
Of them, only the first three mandate biological customization:
Males fertilize,
Females receive fertilization,
Hermaphrodites do both,
Mr seahorse fertilizes and bears children,
Miss tetrapod receives fertilization and bears children,
Mister tarantula-wasp-victim only bears children,
misster apple tree does all three,
and miss eusocial worker thing does none of them
Maybe fifteen if you count pre-sexual metamorphic larval stages as independant genders. I
If genital customization is separate, then a gender defined by societal role (like hyena female who exhibits male-associated sexual behaviours or whose genitals have variable configurations,) would not be selected in the Gender category, but rather as a genital customization of one of the eight base genders.
so, a few things.
You’re ONLY looking at reproductive capabilities, and not at secondary or tertiary characteristics, which uh…. is not only wildly reductive, would run into functional problems IMMEDIATELY
you are right he shouldn’t have included gender in the options, (as he mentioned in the drop-down) so really you’re the only one trying to conflate the two (well, there’s other people, but you probably don’t want to be associated with them)
but ultimately, to restate the first point, Sex is more complicated than “has sry gene/ Doesn’t have sry gene”
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/
Yes I’m only looking at reproductive capabilities, which are what define sex, which was conflated with gender as mentioned in the blurb.
Secondary and tertiary characteristics with regards to sex are only really applicable to eusocial species where you have workers and soldiers and so forth, but ultimately even considering sex as a spectrum the number of distinct roles with regards to gender would likely be limited.
Some women, cannot produce children! They are still woman!
The only herms, are bugs and worms. There are no true herms, in the human species!
thank you for your assertation that humanoid hermaphrodites aren’t technically human
“humanoid hermaphrodites” do not exist, among the human species!!!
.MW
I want to say that its implies that inter galactic. but it also maybe implies that alternate dimensions have unique web addresses.
And in the real world this kinda happens. Rich people give money to poor people who get plastic surgery/implants. And then the poor person…. ‘pays them back’ with web cam footage. And other stuff. Gross.
How about this: Lapha orders a new body looking like a female of Garamm’s species. Should be practical right?
at the risk of starting another thread from hell. (see above) you are assuming that she fully reciprocates his feelings at a compatible intensity. I don’t get that vibe from her. also the setup for her species lends itself to a situation like the Trill symbiotes from star trek where the host body does not have to match the pervious one. the fact that she is matching her previous body may be just a thing or convenient for her. her lack of familiarity with life as a male does not say anything either way, my read is that she is relatively young for her species.
Sexes can get really complicated. Listened to a biologist/geneticist talk about it, and the combos of genes that affect things is totally crazy! Only part of it is with jumping genes, so yes, it’s possible for somebodies body to be male and have XX, and to have a female body with XY ! There are a lot more ways this can go different than the old high school classes used to teach, so it’s freaking complex!
Then there are the other species…
If you go with the simple, male & female with only xx or xy for humans as a comparison, there are species in the real world that have LOTS MORE sexes! (Though their genes aren’t labeled x & y)
There’s even a species with way over a hundred !!!
Well, that’s Earth, aka Terra or Sol 3. If we go into a galaxy full of life bearing worlds, it’s going to get near infinitely more complex.
My guess is that the choices on the MeatBlank was a limited subset based on certain presets, possible from the stored account information. We know “she” is a repeat customer.
Panel 2: the current state of twitter on gender.
I am operating on the theory that the starting sages of a municipal water treatment plant are cleaner than twitter.
Romulans (nor most space-faring civilizations that possess energy-matter conversion tech) require garbage disposal onboard ships. The same matter replicators that produce stuff can also recycle it, and that’s exactly what they do. ALL waste. Even sewage. Canonically. Today’s breakfast might be tomorrow’s lunch. Sounds disgusting, but everything’s being broken down to energy before being reassembled into matter, so it’s no different from any other replicated matter.
Generally in Trek when you see a species that has waste disposal problems, it’s one that doesn’t possess that tech yet or involves extremely hazardous material.
I regret to inform you, esteemed Author, that the “hurricane gender” often presents as fairly tame.
Epicene gender is more a “cis people are weird and for the life of me I don’t understand what the fuck they mean by all that shit, I’m gunna be doing my thing over here”
the “look here I am” gender is more the various flavours of genderqueer, the ones with the asterisks in them (3,3; 4,3; 4,2)
“Cis” look up the word.
First!
Finally, someone acknowledging how difficult the aiming of men’s urinary function is.
And guess what. It is MORE difficult for those of us who were not fortunate to be circumcised as babies. I swear, if I had the money, I would take a week off of work and get the tip snipped just to be a bit cleaner.
TLDR: I support the circumcision.
And as an adult? That’s your right. As a baby, mutilation of a genital should never be an option, much less something as inhumane as that. Remember they can’t anesthetize the baby so it’s cut off and.. oddly? sent use for women’s make-up, with them wide awake. So I hope you don’t support doing that to male children.
But if you, as an adult, want to take time off to have parts of your body removed to make it slightly easier then you 100% have that right. Go for that elective plastic surgery. :)
Didn’t get a choice here, but it was better than that other surgery my mom wanted done to me anyways. And given they needed both parents consent, my dad blocked that one.
I hate to tell you, but you have a medical condition. Functional foreskins do not interfere with urination, as they are designed to be retracted before doing so.
If yours does not, your doctor can prescribe treatment. Among which is circumcision, so.
Inb4 someone decides to argue over what “functional” means.
I’ll miss those two, I hope we get to see her new body. it would be quite interesting to see
Did something change? The previous comments page just goes blank for me now; it worked fine yesterday.
Yeesh!
The Meat Blanks could use an update on their interface; it looks overly complex. Maybe they could emulate some of the more advanced MMORPG sites that have an extensive character creation process. heck, they even get down to some intricate facial features in detail. However, us Earthers could stand to do away with the censoring of the parts she’s choosing now…
Holy crow that was a lot of scrolling to get to the comment section…anyhow. These two are wonderful with the banter. Definitely a couple. Its not sickeningly see or anything…its flirtatious and silly and sweet. Maybe I kinda envy them?
Am I the oldest one here? This was a perfect opportunity for a “Designing Women” pun.
its possible but I refuse to provide definitive data. I feel old enough when I see our new employees fresh out of college. how are these children graduating?
look I am in favor of puns. give into your love of words and language and deliver puns.
Are you referring to the title of this page of the comic, or did you miss that the author did make that reference?
I was responding to ‘apparently old’ who was asking for a ‘designing women’ pun. to be fair I’m not that familiar with the show, so the reference the comic made may have flown by. I was encouraging ‘apparently old’ to make the pun.
No, I doubt it, I am 69, as of last NOV!
Dude. #3 and #5 in the first row are dups.
And is that a Pokemon leading off the 4th row?
There are just two genders for hyu-mons: male and female, you can be one, or t’other, a mix of both or neither, but that doesn’t make any of them a third fucking gender (and that’s including being born in the ‘wrong’ gender)
As for sexuality, that is entirely in the head: you can be sexually attracted to a pinecone, doesn’t mean you are a pinecone, just fucked in the head (just like everyone else)
On what authority do you make that claim? Because there are a lot of other people claiming otherwise. Most of whom have more authority to do so than you.
If you had said that there are only two sexes for humans, you’d probably find significantly more agreement.
That is sex, not gender, we transpeople, have a different gender, from our, Sex!
I hope that doesn’t explain your excessive comma usage. Lay off the comma key! I’m reasonably sure it never did anything to hurt you, but all those commas are tripping hazards for anyone reading your comments.
Then explain the difference
The diff is Gender is mental, Sex is physiological.
Not that hard to figure out.
Then reverse the terms used, and it doesn’t change a damn fucking thing
Torabi, just because some mentally handicapped person claims to be god, it doesnt make one god, just mentally instance
I looked it up and a lot of the gender symbols there are actually redundant. Obviously all but male and female are recent inventions. Out of them, several of them cover genders that are already covered by other symbols.
literotica loving wives
well. there’s more accuracy here than in some of the comments…. still is there a spam reporting function i missed?
Other than saying DaveB’s name several times? Nope. I imagine the comment system has some easy way to remove comments, and some appear to get caught in some kind of moderation queue if they fit certain criteria, but I don’t think he normally has to approve each one.
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Depending on the Class, there are still a wide variety of sexes in terrestrial animals. XX and Xy isn’t the only system in use.
Yeah, all the talk about sexes and stuff is fun, but honestly I just wanna see more of these two and their budding relationship. Like the little we’ve seen has me invested enough that I want them to get their own comic.
i know its an ftl vessel, but how the hell it did get past Jupiter so fast without getting into an warp tunnel? because I know for a fact that not even light is that fast.
Unless I’m missing it, we haven’t any indication of how much time has passed between launching from Earth and this page as they pass Jupiter. Given Lapha’s comments on Garamm’s plumbing arrangements, it’s obvious that there have been some happenings between the previous page and this one.
The speed of light is 2.998 x10^8 m/s. From Earth to Jupiter is in the range of {588.5 to 968.1} million km depending on their relative orbital positions, or {5.885 to 9.681}x10^11 m. That gives a lightspeed lag of {1963 to 3229} seconds, or {33 to 54} minutes.
Obviously, we’re left with several unknowns in deciding whether the timings are feasible. Where Jupiter is relative to Earth, what fraction of c can the escape pod’s drive sustain in realspace, etc. But if they’ve had time to sort out the immediate issues relating to their hasty departure, to address a few biological imperatives, and now to settle down for an in-depth browsing session, then the implication is that there’s been plenty of time to cover the distance.
I only just noticed that the fire has an eyeball.