Grrl Power #919 – Objection!
I like how it’s the act of merely stamping a printout of the LLC filing that takes away HenchWench’s powers. Although, using devil/fae rules, Arianna probably had to sign the line under the stamp before it affected her. Normally, someone would have to actually submit the suspended form with whatever office deals with that stuff for it to work, but as mentioned, Arianna has special lawyer powers.
If the stuff Arianna is saying is legal nonsense, I may go back in and edit some stuff based on comments. I googled around a bit and it seems like LLC’s are filed with a state’s Secretary of State office. Actually it seems like they deal with a lot of business stuff, but I’m still kind of guessing.
In audiobook news, Aether’s Revival book 2 is available in the spoken word format. It’s recorded by Andrea Parsneau, and while I usually prefer dual narrators to avoid bad falsetto/truesetto, Andrea is the woman of 350 voices. Maybe 375. I know “1,000” makes for better marketing, but it’s always hyperbolic. Even Mel Blanc was realistically topping out at like, 400.
I’ve never read cultivation novels before this series. Actually, I’m not sure I knew what cultivation was. For those of you who don’t, it was largely pioneered in eastern literature, and is kind of like LitRPG, except instead of leveling up from experience points or whatever, the heroes of cultivation novels do a lot of homework, meditate a lot and pop a plethora of pills. Like, mana pills, I guess. They fight stuff too, but it’s not like a 350 page dungeon crawl either.
It sounds tedious riveting, I know, but Schinhofen’s books have always been a bit more methodically paced/slice of life-y, which, I assume if you’re reading this comic, has at least some appeal to you. Schinhofen also did the Binding Words series, which is one of my favorites and I’ve recommended it here before.
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Going by the comments over this entire battle,
and applying the third party perspective of the readers to the aliens who would be watching this.
I am half expecting them to comment that this makes no sense, how do these powers even work?, and what kind of insane asylum world did we land on?
From an alien perspective Henchwench and this contract stuff has to be especially jarring.
Enhanced durability and strength, sure, there is tech to do that (Ray has such a device), incredible energy powers coming from a human sized being, amazing but they might think they are a bio-android or enhanced by some 3rd tier civilization zero point energy sub-space whatever power crystal or something.
A person who gains and loses powers from others because of local laws….welcome to Super Asylum World.
Word from the wise: leave a human in a supply closet and they may engineer a plasma generator, a functional warp engine, or add class 2 weapons to your cleaning droids. If you want to keep your local terran occupied suggestions include art supplies, target ranges, extreme terrain courses, and/or small predatory creatures.
You have to watch it with the predatory creatures. Humans have been known to befriend, tame, train and generally spend inordinate amounts of time with highly dangerous species. They have been known to befriend highly aggressive species multiple size categories above them in seeming in contradiction to any logical self preservation instinct. Their seemingly enhanced empathetic abilities with predators of all sizes have been noted in all relevant planetary databases.
Seems like a good time to bring up “Humanity, Fuck Yeah!” here.
My favorite extract, paraphrased:
“With all due respect to the venerable member races of the galactic council, Ambassador, the people of Earth will not, now, or ever, agree to these terms. You are welcome to try and vindicate your order in the field, or in orbit, but allow me to remind you of your own assessment. Humans are deeply passionate, methodical, relentless, and uncooperative…except we we aren’t. We are thoroughly and perversely unpredictable. We routinely engage in self destructive activities, just to make ourselves harder to kill, and more capable of killing. We customarily provide our offspring with engaging and stimulating activities that immerse them in, and reward them for, ruthlessly efficient and creative combat training, ranging from the individual level, to the tactical, and the strategic, and we call this “playing games.” Our entertainment routinely includes detailed technical explanations and demonstrations of extreme personal violence, including regular live competitions that often leave the participants permanently injured, maimed, and even dead. A frightening portion of the population excitedly and eagerly hurl themselves off of ludicrous heights, including low-orbit jumps, strictly “for the rush.” Every single major technological leap made by humanity has been born out of a singular drive to find better, faster, more efficient ways of killing each other. We can, and frequently do eat things that should not be qualified as ‘food,’ and we continue to do so, surviving for periods on muddy water and our own dead, in times of great duress. We routinely summon the will to run into burning buildings and enemy weapons fire, ride dangerous angry animals many times our own mass, balance of planks of wood while coasting in the curl of ocean waves with enough force to crack concrete. Our atmosphere is a corrosive, flammable gas, we inhale carcinogens to sooth ourselves, regularly drink solvents as social bonding rituals, and cover our own food with neurotoxins. For the flavor. We can go weeks without eating, hunt our prey by literally chasing it until it collapses from exhaustion or overheating, and in spite of everything, we have lived long enough to reach the stars and scare the ever-loving crap out of all of you. We are humanity. We nailed our god to a stick and celebrate that act every year. Do not f*ck with us.”
Having read most of the HFY material, I recognise the style and sentiment but cannot place this. Where is it? Is the speaker the first ambassador, the old man who is blown up while addressing the assembly?
Bumping this so we can learn where to find the fun stuff.
I love this stuff.
“we nailed our god to a stick, and celebrate it every year”
God, i bust out laughing at the mere thought. I mean, don’t get me wrong, vast sections of our population actively try to kill god at any time, but the mere thought of having succeeded in a humorous way, despite that being exactly what happened, and then *celebrating it* just, yep, that’s humanity for you.
I’m mildly reminded of one of the playable races in Guild Wars 2, the Chaar. Basically large angry bipedal cats with horns, their proudest achievement is apparently industrializing and using the resulting weapons to murder their own gods.
So basically Kitty Klingons
which would be the Ctarl Ctarl from Outlaw Star.
This is a bit of a long one.
There are several “HFY” settings that have multiple stories in them. One such story posits that part of why us-time Humans haven’t found any other signs of intelligent life is Earth is smack-dab in the middle of what the galactic community calls the Zone of Insanity. All other member-races of the galactic community will go insane within a month in the zone. Quick jaunts, maybe, but you generally stay the hell out of it… There were some initial teething issues at first contact, and the Human government decided to play up the ‘only sane thing in the zone’ angle and present a civil but terrifying front, deliberately playing on the rest of galactic civilization’s fears. This is best embodied in the decision of one diplomat to spin a story in which Humanity KNEW that there was something going on. That Humanity isn’t spared the madness by some trick of biology. Humans were quite mad…. Until a human killed and ate a God. That human wasn’t insane any more, and this shining beacon of sanity started killing more gods, force-feeding Godflesh to their fellow humans, and eventually they learned that the Sanity was passed down to their children.
The fact that we (including Sydney) consume mild organic poisons with our meals and put biotoxins on our food just to make life more interesting is strong indication that we are, in fact, completely insane.
It is probably that we are too fit for our environment, and have to up the danger level in order to keep things from being boring.
Claiming that all of technology was created in order to kill each other is incorrect, or at least incomplete. Some of it was created to propagate porn in order to predispose us to breed widely and create more potential targets.
Humanity, Fuck Yeah!
Where does this speach come from? It´s awesome!
Bets part: “We nailed our god to a stick and celebrate that act every year. Do not f*ck with us.”
Reminds me of the First Contact series, currently running on r/HFY. The author is amazing.
well, damn. I hoped someone could point me to the entire story, looks interesting. I found the subreddit, but there’s so much material that’ll take me years to find where this piece come from
That’s what freelax meant: keep them occupied with all that, not feed them to the wee beastie
1. There are foreign governments and cultures that would consider the United States government to be a villainous organization.
2. Federal employees work for the taxpayers.
You know, they’d be a fool NOT to recruit her now- they could literally set up a shell company of villains to make sure they are meeting her Villian organization requirements (also to make sure they are not giving Maxima’s powers to anyone else) and put in all kinds of stipulations that prevent her from using the powers inappropriately. Basically built in reliability which is technically more than they are getting from arc-swat members.
yeah, but considering her intelligence and skills, she’d probably find a way to maneuver the contract in her favor and then turn on them.
Intelligence and skills? She’s a paralegal. She can push paperwork from one desk to another for Archon instead of going to super-prison.
That’s what Ari is for
Or she can just go to prison and Archon can hire paralegals who are not likely to try to gain superpowers in order to cause chaos and violence for fun. :)
Where’s the fun in that? o_O
But in prison she *could* duplicate powers of someone else – ‘hey I’ll work for you for some cigarettes and some decent food…’ even if it’s short term. Remember she doesn’t *need* the contract – that was to get multiple villain powers at once.
Assuming she was put in a prison where she got to interact with other prisoners, though. Not really what we’ve seen from Archon so far when incarcerating supers who might be problematic to contain. :)
See Vehemence’s ‘prison cell’
See Opal’s ‘prison cell’
I will say, if you find you like cultivation stories in general, might I suggest the Cradle novels by Will Wight. The first one is called Unsouled and the follow the cultivation story of Wei Shi Lindon, a young man at the very foundation stages of cultivation who is attempting to advance in order to avert a vision of the destruction of his home.
+1 to this one. Cultivation stories aren’t my absolute favorite, been into a lot of LitRPG and Portal Fantasy lately, but the Cradle series is extremely well written, and without too much of the “and so he sat in a cave for 3 years and got a level up” stuff.
That actually IS one reason you can get an LLC dissolved or suspended pending a review and hearing. If it’s for an illegal purpose, which would be either based on a judge’s ruling OR the Secretary of State office of that state, and I’m going to assume Arianna probably did the former, since she said it would be suspended UNTIL reviewed by the Secretary of State (although I’d be surprised if Arianna was not able to get on the phone with the Secretary of State directly).
“If the stuff Arianna is saying is legal nonsense,”
Most of it is not nonsense, DaveB, except it wouldnt be called ‘ethical concerns’ – it would be because of ‘questions as to the legality of the business.’ It’s not about ethical concerns in general, it’s about when the business is actually for illegal purposes (which I guess IS an ethical concern but it’s a lot more narrowly construed)
The only other problem is that the Secretary of State or a judge would probably be the one stamping the Suspended, not Arianna. Federal powers given to Arianna would be different than a STATE’S Secretary of State powers.
Pretty easy fix if you decide to fix it by changing:
“I am hereby enacting federal powers granted to me as Archon’s head council to suspend your LLC on ethical grounds”
to
“I have the judge on standby/on the phone who is now suspending your LLC on grounds of illegality in the Operating Agreement”
Other than that, everything Arianna said makes complete sense. It’s just that she’s not the one who has the actual authority – a judge or magistrate is. Arianna would just be the one to argue or explain it to the judge – it could even be done over the phone.
“I googled around a bit and it seems like LLC’s are filed with a state’s Secretary of State office.”
Absolutely correct. :)
“Actually it seems like they deal with a lot of business stuff, but I’m still kind of guessing.”
That’s pretty much entirely of what they deal with, yes. :) Almost anything business filing related (especially with corporations, S-Corps, LLCs, LLPs, LLLCs, LLLPs, and PLLCs and anything requiring licensing) goes through that state’s Secretary of State.
If they really wanna give her the clout having the Secretary of State on standby is a pretty big powerplay. “Sir, I need to you to dissolve this LLC, but, can you hold on for just a second while I gloat? Thanks.”
That would totally be something Arianna would do, I’d think. :)
Just think of how hard it must have been for her to not laugh like a supervillain.
she did that after she hung up. she is an experienced professional. that is part of the experience knowing extactly when to hang up and laugh.
I should add that I do like that she said the other people who signed it were complete dummies for not… yknow… having a lawyer read it.
Or having a law student read it.
Or reading it themselves. :)
Henchwench should learn from a pro.
That replacement statement is well-composed and should fit into the speech bubble as-is.
(…Though the editor in me wants to change it from “in the Operating Agreement” to “in its Operating Agreement” I am not a paralegal nor a lawyer so I don’t know if that replacement would completely alter the meaning. Legalese is a very exacting language in its use, and you cannot substitute a single word without a possible repercussion that could partially or even completely change its legally recognized meaning, & thus intention.)
While these comments are quite appropriate in the non-super world, we have to review the ARCstatute to see whether it specifically authorizes a federal emergency administrative action that overrides state law via the supremacy clause.
It seems unfair, but in practical terms every law is constitutional until a court says it’s not (then it’s up to the “remedies” arena to retcon – I don’t know what HW’s remedy may be other than changing the label on her cell to “State” from “Federal”). Presumably no court has ruled yet on whether Archon’s Head Counsel can be empowered to temporarily suspend contracts involving supers. (Are superpowers inherently federal? We might argue that if they are inherently connected to extra dimensions such as the thaumion, or of course space aliens, the would easily fall within federal purview. This is disturbing …)
HW may seek to challenge Arianna’s action on constitutional grounds from her cell, and she would surely be an exceptionally capable pro se, but by the time she get to the Supremes, NY’s SoS will have rendered the case moot.
HW would be well counselled to bargain instead. Arianna likes her work; offer to join ArcLegal with a serious non-compete clause. Her first task: find a way to make the ArcStatute proof against legal challenge (…perhaps an interstate compact?)
“While these comments are quite appropriate in the non-super world, we have to review the ARCstatute to see whether it specifically authorizes a federal emergency administrative action that overrides state law via the supremacy clause.”
The LLC agreement really has nothing to do with if HW is charged with federal or state crimes. The LLC agreement is just a business document which needs to be filed with the secretary of state of New York, which is a state agency. :)
“HW would be well counselled to bargain instead. Arianna likes her work; offer to join ArcLegal with a serious non-compete clause. Her first task: find a way to make the ArcStatute proof against legal challenge (…perhaps an interstate compact?)”
I think she described the contract as ‘devious’ – not necessarily competent :) Plus I don’t think they really have a reason to trust HenchWench after she serves her time for the multiple attempted murder and assault and battery on federal officer charges and vandalism charges and possibly terrorism charges (at least as far as Maxima would like to charge her with).
Reasonable minds may differ as to the distinction between devious and competent ;-)
HW used a scrap of paper to come *that* close to beating a team of supers, and we *still* don’t know the limits of her ability to figure out how to combine powers creatively. Certainly she’s earned herself more jail time than, say, Jabberwocky, but super powers are a limited resource that are in the national interest to employ where possible. HW may not be as field-deployable until she can overcome a possible “supervillain” mental block, but she would be usable for research purposes [assuming ArcIRB allows it].
Whether Arianna has permission to stamp “Suspended” depends on the federal statute, which trumps state law including state incorporation statutes, at least until a judge says otherwise. And who even has standing to sue? There just aren’t that many supers with relevant powers and motivations to file, so we may never know. Perhaps it will be a hot topic in a law review some day.
Otherwise, the easiest way to control HW is a contract with a non-compete clause that survives employment termination; if she sues to break it, she’ll be back in prison before the first hearing.
“Reasonable minds may differ as to the distinction between devious and competent ;-)”
True, true. :)
“Certainly she’s earned herself more jail time than, say, Jabberwocky, but super powers are a limited resource that are in the national interest to employ where possible. ”
She can think about what legal things she can do with her powers after she serves her prison sentence. :)
“Whether Arianna has permission to stamp “Suspended””
She really doesn’t.:) (then again, HW didnt have the right to put a lot of what she put in that LLC agreement either). That’s something a judge would need to do, or the Secretary of State of New York. Federal laws require specific circumstances to trump state law…. usually involving stuff like the commerce clause or other clauses and amendments specifically listed or stated in the Constitution. That’s the entire reason for the inclusion of the 9th and 10th amendments.
“depends on the federal statute,”
It really, really doesn’t. It depends on what’s in the Constitution, not federal statutes. Federal statutes tend to NOT trump state laws with limited exceptions. :)
“which trumps state law including state incorporation statutes,”
It really, really, really doesn’t. :) The whole reason why states can have different rules for incorporation (and why they actually compete with the other states in having the most favorable rules for incorporation vs how much they can tax corporations for their own intrastate benefit) is because each state’s laws on incorporation takes primacy. The federal government is not able to come in and overrule those laws except in VERY limited situations, where it would conflict with the Constitution, not federal statutes.
“Otherwise, the easiest way to control HW is a contract with a non-compete clause that survives employment termination; if she sues to break it, she’ll be back in prison before the first hearing.”
That’s a good idea, although non-compete clauses have limits involving scope, time, and area… or they can be considered unconscionable requirements. Which HW might be able to figure out.
I’d say an even better way to control HW is to put, as a condition of parole, which she must sign as a contractual agreement, that any job she wants to accept must first be approved by Archon’s legal counsel, in order to ensure that there are no people with superhuman powers in an employer capacity in relation to Hench Wench, and that Archon can dismiss, with cause, any future contract in which Hench Wench engages. :)
Mainly because Hench Wench is only truly dangerous if she is employed by someone with superpowers (yes I know, technically only supervillains, but you never know if she’ll eventually get past that ‘block’).
People are forgetting something – each state can grant such powers to other agencies unless that state’s own laws/constitution prohibit such. Given the nature of this federal organization of a form of national police force and military (posse comitatus?), I would suspect arrangements had already been made with each state where such could be made. I would be surprised if the agency doesn’t already have state-level charters (or similar) in place.
They literally cannot do that here. You were actually partially correct. Their own laws prohibit it. Also the Constitution prohibits it because of the 9th and 10th amendments.
And about 170 years of legal precedents as well.
I’m not sure why you include the 9th here. It simply asserts that there are other rights beyond those enumerated in the Constitution; it doesn’t even grant any protection of such. It’s a bit of an oddity and not written very well. The 10th asserts that all authority not delegated to the Federal government was reserved to the States or the people. Neither of these amendments contains any prohibitive language against such delegation of authority by the states to the Federal government. And let’s not forget the ability of the several states to form compacts with each other with the permission of the U.S. Congress (Art. I, Sect. 10, Clause 2 if I recall correctly).
Of what legal precedents do you speak?
“Of what legal precedents do you speak?”
Probably the fact no one has challenged it… yet
“I’m not sure why you include the 9th here.”
Because the 9th and 10th amendment are meant to be used in conjunction with one another.
The 9th amendment’s purpose, to put it simply, is to say that the enumerated rights listed in the Constitution and the amendments are NOT an exhaustive complete list of all rights that the citizens and states possess. IE, it says that citizens have negative rights (where they have rights by dint of their existence, inalienable, not because they are given them by the government), rather than positive rights (where the citizens have rights only because the government GIVES them the rights, and without giving them those rights, the people would not have any rights). It was a major concern of the Founding Fathers, in fact, which made them worry about having the bill of rights in the first place, because they felt future generations might not understand that people have more rights than are just listed in the constitution’s amendments. Which turns out to be accurate, because a lot of people do NOT understand this. So they put the 9th amendment in there to specifically address that fact.
So… 9th amendment says the all rights in the Constitution belong to the people……….. NOT the government. The government’s role is only to prevent people’s rights from being taken away in the first place – not to give them those rights, which they already have. Listing certain rights does not deny having other rights not specifically listed, in other words.
You have to take this in conjunction with the 10th Amendment, which states that any powers that are NOT delegated to the federal government, and not prohibited to the federal government by the states, are going to be reserved for the States, or to the people.
In other words, the bill of right’s existence does not change the fundamental nature of the federal government’s responsibility and limitations. Which is why you have to take it in conjunction with the 9th amendment.
It’s not really too shameful that you might not realize the purpose of the 9th Amendment. A lot of people tend to forget it. It’s sort of the ‘forgotten amendment’ very often, even though it’s vitally important for the 10th amendment to make any sense.
“Neither of these amendments contains any prohibitive language against such delegation of authority by the states to the Federal government. ”
Actually yes, it does. That’s the whole reason I stated the 9th amendment. That Amendment SPECIFICALLY says that the entire setup for the federal government is that it does NOT have the right to delegate any authority except what’s specifically written into the Constitution already.
“And let’s not forget the ability of the several states to form compacts with each other with the permission of the U.S. Congress (Art. I, Sect. 10, Clause 2 if I recall correctly).”
That has nothing to do with this though. Art I, Sec 10 only limits the states from doing SPECIFIC things – entering into treaties with foreign nations, printing their own money, and granting titles of nobility.
“No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States;”
“I’d say an even better way to control HW is to put, as a condition of parole, which she must sign as a contractual agreement, that any job she wants to accept must first be approved by Archon’s legal counsel, in order to ensure that there are no people with superhuman powers in an employer capacity in relation to Hench Wench, and that Archon can dismiss, with cause, any future contract in which Hench Wench engages. :)”
Would that violate individual rights about public tracking of people with super powers? As in forced testing of the employees if it is an employee owned business, or violation of doctor patient confidentiality if someone employed has no criminal record but has powers. Just because someone has powers doesn’t mean that they have or will use them unless attacked. If someone has abilities orders more powerful than Maxima but no interest or intent to use them as a hero, vigilante, or villain how would Archon know? Unless I missed something Dave said in comments, there is no legal requirement for the public to identify themselves or their powers to any government agency.
Once convicted of crimes involving super powers, there is no bar to public tracking of the felon.
Until the person is a criminal infringement of liberty is illegal even if done by the government.
The operative phrase being “until the person is a criminal”. Assuming HW does get tried and proven guilty for at least some of her actions this night, she opens herself up to the same level of preventative monitoring that’s routinely applied to certain other categories of offender as a condition of parole/release.
One could even argue that HW’s conditions are less excessive than some. It’s relatively easy to avoid taking a job from someone with Powers without permission given how rare Powered individuals are, especially when you’re obliged to check potential employment with an official monitor. Compare that to a prohibition on coming within a set distance of a given location, or even a whole category of locations – a prohibition which may trigger even if it was breached unknowingly, accidentally, or for a good reason (such as an appointment at a neighbouring office).
I was and am only talking about potential employers that could have super powers that do not use them. That have not ever committed a crime, never entered military service, and have never informed the government of their abilities. How would Archon know who is safe to allow HW to work for? What rights would the government have to test the management of a potential employer for HW to insure they have no super powers that HW could use?
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I would agree that insisting on testing potential employers is a step too far, especially given that there’s no evidence in-universe of a reliable test for latent Powers. However, I would argue that Pander‘s proposal can be relaxed to the point that testing is not required without having any practical effect.
Recall that HW’s Power specifically reads from supervillains. A non-villainous Super, or even a villainous person without Powers, can therefore fill the ’employer’ role without effect. Your hypothetical covers the first of those two cases; the mere knowledge of the vetting process would discourage HW from seeking employment with villainous types regardless of their Power status.
Would you (plural you: taulsk, Pander, and DaveB) agree that ‘supervillainy’ requires not only the possession of both villainous demeanour and Powers as two separate attributes, but actually the use of said Powers for said villainous purpose? If so, then someone who has Powers but does not use them (whether through ignorance or choice) is of no more use to HW’s Power than a Baseline Human, and can be treated accordingly in the vetting process.
“Would you (plural you: taulsk, Pander, and DaveB) agree that ‘supervillainy’ requires not only the possession of both villainous demeanour and Powers as two separate attributes, but actually the use of said Powers for said villainous purpose?”
Yes, ‘villainy’ would require both actus reus and mens rea (guilty act and guilty mind). Ie, the intent to commit crimes, and actually committing crimes. I only went further in my proposal in the event that the supervillain employer aspect was another psychosomatic element that might be easier for HW to get past than the entire concept of employment in general, since there’s less wiggle room with what I said. :)
“Would that violate individual rights about public tracking of people with super powers?”
It would not. For a few reasons.
1) As an felon you do not have all the same rights as a non-felon has, like voting, the right to bear arms, serving on a jury, travelling abroad, etc. It makes sense that for supers who are felons, they would lose the right to use their powers, or have their ability to use their powers placed under controls if possible by the government.
2) Parole doesnt mean you’re no longer a felon – it means they’re letting you stay OUT of jail for good behavior, but as a condition of that parole, you have to abide by whatever rules the government decides to impose. Which would be in a contract, so I’m sure HW would love the irony of that. You of course have a choice though. You can choose to not accept parole, and stay in jail.
3) You are definitely allowed to track where a felon on probation goes, what jobs they have or can have, and a variety of other aspects of their lives.
“As in forced testing of the employees if it is an employee owned business, or violation of doctor patient confidentiality if someone employed has no criminal record but has powers.”
That does not apply here. Hench Wench is about to have quite the criminal record.
“Just because someone has powers doesn’t mean that they have or will use them unless attacked.”
Again, doesn’t apply here. Hench Wench was using her powers to attack FIRST, and was engaging in criminal actions – assault and battery against federal officers, attempted murder of federal officers, vandalism, terrorism (it’s possible to try to charge her with that), destruction of public and private property, resisting arrest, conspiracy to kidnap possibly, conspiracy to torture possibly, and a variety of other felonies.
“If someone has abilities orders more powerful than Maxima but no interest or intent to use them as a hero, vigilante, or villain how would Archon know?”
Wouldn’t matter. if they don’t use them as a villain or a vigilante, they wouldnt be arrested in the first place and wouldnt be tracked anyway. This has nothing to do with Hench Wench though. She IS a villain, who is guilty of multiple felonies in a pretty blatant way.
“How would Archon know who is safe to allow HW to work for?”
Background checks on any possible employers. If any red flags come up, or even if Archon decides it’s too risky because they don’t know for sure, they can deny her ability to work for that employer. While they cannot tell for sure that someone does NOT have superpowers, they can always help set her up with jobs for people who they KNOW do not have superpowers, as a precondition of her parole. Real life parolees have that happen all the time also.
“What rights would the government have to test the management of a potential employer for HW to insure they have no super powers that HW could use?”
Because HW is essentially a ward of the state while she’s under parole and a felon. And any employer would have to prove they should be able to safely hire HenchWench. Just like how, in some states, a child under 18 needs a work permit signed by the parent or other legal guardian in order to get a job.
taulsk wasn’t talking about convicted felons in general, or Henchie specifically
So, basically, what you are saying is, if you have powers, you had best register them so Archon can know who is safe to employ Henchie, on the off chance she happens to apply for a job, in all 51 states
Yeah, no Supers Registration Act, nope, no at all
No, that’s not what I’m saying. :) You, as an employer, don’t have to self-report at all. But then don’t hire Hench Wench. It’s nothing like the Superhuman Registration Act whatsoever.
In fact, the government doesn’t even need to have proof of a superhuman hiring her. If they even think it’s fishy sounding, under the terms of the parole agreement I’m suggesting, they can just say no. OR they can be the ones who set Hench Wench up with jobs in the first place as a term of the parole, much like a halfway house does with normal felons on parole.
Random people, with or without powers, do not have a constitutional right to hire HW. There is no impingement upon the rights of any potential employers, because they don’t have any.
If a role becomes open for HW, then the government can do due diligence to make sure that the person or persons she is working for do not have powers. Then, after all that is taken care of through channels, she can get transferred laterally at will wherever the evil mastermind wants her… ;)
+1
Haven’t read every comment yet, but I find myself sitting and wondering what if she had incorporated in another country, like Scotland? or Venezuela? Might have been more trouble to make, but a little harder to find where it was filed and to get the right people to suspend it…
As I understand it, a LLC incorporated in an overseas territory usually still needs to be registered in the operating country in order to operate. Sort of similar to how a citizen of country X can work in country Y, but will often need a visa in order to do so. Arianna might not have had quite the same level of access to suspend the LLC itself if HW had gone that route, but would probably still have been able to suspend its ability to operate in the USA.
Plus which, the fact that Scotland is not a separate country could put a spanner in that bit of the plan…
Wait, what? Since when is Scotland not a separate country? Do the Scots know this? o_O
Please consider that one of the English arguments for Scotland to NOT leave the UK was Scotland would have to negotiate their own deal with the EU… and then England chose to start the Brexit debacle less than 18 months after the referendum. If Scotland were truly a separate country, England wouldn’t have been able to drag them out of the EU after pulling that gigantic pile of excrement sourced from male cattle.
Since 1707, when Scotland joined the existing Union of England, Wales, and Ireland. The monarchy had been in a personal union for over a century before that, when in 1603 James VI of Scotland also inherited the crown of England, Ireland, and Wales from the childless Elizabeth I.
I was hoping to see your analysis on this, sounded reasonable to me aside from perhaps a judge having to be involved, but having Arianna act under/with the Sec of State makes sense too.
I feel it should also be pointed out that it should be Counsel rather than council in this context. Counsel as a verb means to advise, but as a noun is used to refer to a legal adviser or legal advocate.
A Council on the other hand is a group of people who are convened to advise, consult or deliberate a matter. Often the group is convened for administrative or legislative purposes. For instance a City Council, from whom you would need to get things like planning permission to build a house etc.
They are easily confusable but there is a distinction. Expanding on my example above. “I went to see my Legal Counsel today, they counselled me on my planning application to the City Council and billed me quite a lot for the privilege”
It’s entirely possible that, in that universe, Ari actually HAS the legal power to suspend contracts until they are reviewed by a proper legal authority. Note, she can’t dissolve the LLC or alter the contract in any way, just shutter it’s doors temporarily until it can be reviewed.
There’s likely also a time limit involved so a contract can’t be suspended indefinitely. A week or so to send it for reviewal before the suspension is lifted.
Disclaimer: I am not any kind of lawyer, paralegal, or legal professional.
Hypothetically, couldn’t Ariana get any competent judge (i.e., one with appropriate jurisdiction) to issue a temporary restraining order against the LLC putting an immediate halt to all business (including employment contracts) pending investigation of charges of being a criminal conspiracy?
Yes.
Which she basically just did, but even better than a TRO, since that would SOME sort of preliminary trial first.
*since that would require SOME sort of preliminary trial first.
Somehow I left out the word ‘require’
The best part is even if Henchwench has Devil/fae contract powers she already did the Webster’s Folly right at the onset.
(the Webster’s folly, referencing the story *despite my feelings about said story*, the Devil and Daniel Webster, in which the devil agrees to abide by the results of American due process in regards to a contract)
basically the supernatural being agrees *which is binding for them via magic* to allow their otherwise unbreakable spiritual binding curse to be subject to Earthly laws and rules; usually this happens because of pride (even to other demons, devils, fae, because lack of confidence that their own trickery would stand up to mortal laws will be a mocking point among other such beings and reduce their ranking*.
In Henchwench’s case, the fact she did this contract as an LLC, which was filed through state courts…already has her agreeing to subject it to mortal laws, because she wrote it out and filed it the same as any human legal paperwork. So subject to review by that same legal system automatically.
Frankly it’s no wonder Henchwench is evil. Her power only works with VILLAINS? That’s so ol’ bullshit.
except we Concretia isn’t a villain and signed under duress.
so evidence suggests Henchwench has only convinced herself that’s how it works.
Concretia did start off in the comic as a villain, and we don’t know for sure whether she signed before or after she found out they had her body. she may have signed, wanted to back out, but then couldn’t.
Concretia may have been acting under Vehemence’s influence at the diner rather than being a villain per se.
Yeah, in both cases Concretia has been a “villain” under unusual circumstances.
I doubt she’d be doing that of her own volition.
Isn’t that quite obviously an Apple user agreement thing or something similar though? Though I guess getting a better legal document would be a hassle.
or he could have just done the blurred text approach like its really just different shaped of rectangles and squares blurred over.
Cool. Good to know I didn’t totally mess it up. I may go back and edit her word bubble, but I’m dealing with cold weather related rolling blackouts at the moment.
as they say, when in doubt pretend you have a camera, foreground in focus, background blurred. Stamp in focus, paperwork a little blurry.
Is it weird that, right now, I’m really looking forward to a scene with Concretia eating a cheeseburger or some other meal? After so long without tasting anything, even air would probably taste good! (Maybe, for giggles, a shawarma?)
Legal talk aside, can anyone acknowledge that the artwork is gorgeous on this page? Especially how Arianna is drawn?
True. I think it’s safe to say she won’t lose her appeal any time soon.
I’m honestly not sure if that was a pun or not. That’s how seamless it was.
If so, very well done sir. Very well done indeed.
+1 Ro Jaws for some brief humor
*groan*
I’m going to stop trying now before I start pleading.
*peeks?*
Certainly not making a statement to close off anyone that wants to continue hearing puns, but if this thread continues you’ll get no argument from me
You win. I yield. Please stop.
Time to bailiff you’re not enjoying them, I will abayence your request.
winner
This thread was pact with humor, but careful… if you keep this up I guaranty that Pander will bare her clause.
You are all evil. :)
I love you guys. But all of you are pure evil.
The puns will never stop as long as I can post on this forum.
Wouldn’t the LLC be illegal anyeay under the law and therefore unenforceable? I seem to remember from a college contract law class that any contract that involves the commission of a crime is null and void under US law.
Yes, but you’d have to first show it’s using the contract for illegal purposes. Which Arianna apparently did by presenting what was happening to a judge (although in the current strip she just did it on her own, which is problematic legally, but most likely because DaveB is an incredibly talented artist and storyteller, but not a lawyer – which is definitely not a slam on DaveB).
Henchwench realizes that things aren’t exactly going her way….! Also how would Arianna look smoking a joint!?
…I personally love the “ka-golem” pseudo-onomatopoeia. Things like that to me will always be an homage to Wapsi Square’s “ka-poit!”
Arianna would be head counsel, not head council, right?
Given that a PR expert’s job is to put other people’s messages into your head, she can be both.
Whoops!
Nice to see Arianna enjoying her job so much.
Arianna, did you just act it out without the lawyer powers in question?
Arianna is a God-tier actor instead of a demigod-tier lawyer if it has all been a trick!!
I look forward to the author potentially baiting us with, but denying us clarity on the matter for years to come as far funnier than clarifying it one way or the other. (-;
Arianna is the only woman who can make Legal Jargon sound Sexy!
There are many women who can make almost anything sound sexy.
Who wants to see Henchwench having a contract for Dr. Chevapravatdumrong to gain her powers during her rehabilitation program… (aka cameo later?)
Vote yes or no in reply to this message!!
She is DAMN lucky all the damage she suffered didn’t carry over. Ugh. Villains like that annoy the hell outta me. Like trying to swat a gnat with wet noodle.
Now that the battle is won, we may proceed to the really important questions:
* Is Roy Cosmos earning revenue on Earth and has he applied for an appropriate Taxpayer Identification Number?
* Does he have employees and are they earning at least federal minimum wage?
* What about the safety conditions aboard his vessel? Is it to be inspected by the Coast Guard or the FAA?
—
Rather than battle this hoard, he may simply depart in a huff.
After his date with Cora, of course.
Not sure Arianna can do that…
Firstly, Constitution, Bill of Rights, 10th Amendment.
And since disbanding a corporate entity or suspending a corporate entity is not a power given to the federal government NOR was there ever a federal law granting such power (which may be unconstitutional), I don’t think the federal government can do this. The federal government can step in and stop trade (interstate commerce). It can also freeze assets (Patriot Act), but it does not have the power to disband or suspend a corporate entity unilaterally.
MOREOVER, if we consider the fact that corporations (such as LLCs) are granted corporate “personhood” (Dartmouth v. Woodward, Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, etc), then disbanding or suspending a corporation can’t just be done on a state level either, once it’s already been formed, even if formation is granted by states, by the 14th Amendment: no State can “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”; a corporation is granted “personhood” and thus enjoys protections under the 14th Amendment as well…
I’m not sure the SoS can unilaterally terminate a business entity either on allegations of illegal activity; that would need to be proven in court… of course, if the business forgot to pay its taxes or failed to file the correct paperwork… that’s a different story.
Does make you wonder though, that if HenchWench knew they were planning on being a criminal organization why the hell the filed the LLC in the US instead of, say, the Cayman Islands or elsewhere…
TLDR:
“Suspension on ethical considerations” isn’t valid. Like Pander and the others have mentioned. You’d need at minimum a court order.
It depends on the federal statute that authorized Archon, and the constitutional basis thereof.
The federal government absolutely *can* take action against persons, whether natural persons or legal fictions such as state-created persons; it happens all the time. Until DaveB gives us the text of the federal statute setting up Archon, we’ll just have to speculate whether that includes suspending a corporation suspected of something-or-other. Evil LLC can file an objection if it wishes, but we already know it wishes to be free of HW, so no dice.
Arianna’s action was indeed by due process of law; she explicitly referred to powers granted to her. Due process doesn’t mean a cop cannot take away your freedom, it just means there has to be a process by which you can contest it. Arianna referred to that process too.
Now: that law may or may not be constitutional. What does “suspend” even mean? That will require a lawsuit. Personally, I am looking forward to a long courtroom drama featuring plenty of judicial cheesecake and Sydney geeking out at The Rule In Shelley’s Case, but I suspect he’s not going to scratch that itch for a while.
No, the courts did NOT rule corporations are persons. What the courts recognized was the person-hood of the people making up the organization. It comes from the “peaceable assembly” part of the 1st Amendment (among other things). It’s long established law that corporations as fictional entities don’t have the constitutional rights of a natural person. And the critical word in the 1st Amendment is “peaceable”. An organization put together for criminal activity has no protections.
Dartmouth v. Woodward involved the contract clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 10, Clause 1) and applied to the states ONLY. The chief justice defined contracts only in relation to individual property rights Per Wikipedia:
“After the Dartmouth decision, many states wanted more control so they passed laws or constitutional amendments giving themselves the general right to alter or revoke at will, which the courts found to be a valid reservation. The courts had established, however, that the alteration or revocation of private charters or laws authorizing private charters must be reasonable and cannot cause harm to the members (founders, stockholders, and the like)”.
In Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, SCOTUS ruled in favor of the OWNER’S rights, not the rights of the corporation in general. In the case of Hobby Lobby, it’s ownership is very closely held by one family, and the protections recognized for those differ from publicly held corporations.
The only case I know of where people mistakenly think found corporations to be persons with the same rights is Citizens United v. The Federal Election Commission. The court ruled in favor of ASSOCIATIONS of citizens to act together for political, or other protected, purposes. This had previously been the case with unions and political parties already, but the Court simply expanded the protections.
And people are forgetting about RICO. It would directly apply to this LLC. It literally was created to combat criminal organizations and enterprises and it has long been upheld by the courts.
No, the case that first gave corporations rights DISTINCT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP THE CORPORATION (ie, the reason why people now refer to corporations as legal persons) was First National Bank of Boston v Bellotti, 435 US 765 (1978), which was the first case where the SCOTUS held that corporations have a First Amendment right to make contributions to ballot initiative campaigns.
Citizens United wasnt until 2010.
Here’s a summary of the case.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1977/76-1172
You are correct about RICO. Not sure what that has to do with the concept of corporations being legal persons though. It could definitely be used to show that the LLC is a criminal organization and was created for that purpose.
RICO prosecution would almost certainly NOT work on a single LLC, that engaged in a single massive illegal action. They would have to prove that the LLC affected interstate commerce, and that it committed a pattern of racketeering activity that poses a threat of continued criminal activity.
Considering that they explicitly formed the LLC and hired HW for tonight’s gig, it’s unlikely to meet the crazy weird requirements of RICO. (RICO is a mess in practice.)
This is not to say that they aren’t all guilty of regular criminal conspiracy. It’s just that RICO triple damages will not be available.
Legally, corporations are persons. They are just not citizens or “natural persons”. “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech” does not say WHOSE speech.
Now I’m just imagining a world where henchwench had more ingenuity and spin. Just pull the whole collapse to the ground while sobbing, while saying, “thank you i’m finally free” and whatever. I bet it wouldn’t be too big a leap in logic for her to assume that something happened to Concretia’s handler if concretia is helping out Archon. I’d imagine henchwench would know what kind of person he is, and she could easily say it was his powers that made her go crazy.
assuming the people behind Concretia’s abduction and control are the same people who hired Brut, Henchwench, and Stratosuit Mary and weren’t just *loaning* her for a mutual interest. Although they are likely the main ones behind this, but it seems like Brut and Henchwench at least were hired mercenaries, Concretia was abducted and forced to work for them, and Upper Atmosphere Tanya is still an unknown.
HW is obviously not that smart. If she worked for Deus she could have more power, money and relative safety. As a bonus Deus could even help her develop her skills in acting more like a stereotypical supervillain, a hobby they both obviously enjoy.
I suspect Deus has a super power, but its one of those near useless parlor trick like powers that he plays off as not a power and never puts any focus on as his entire set of skills as a business man and charismatic leader outshine that power a thousand fold.
the power I suspect is, limited mass external object phasing…in short he can make small items phase through other objects while holding them but can’t phase any part of his actual body though. Like he could hold a pen and make half of it move through the surface of a desk…or push the pen into the drawer through the top of the desk and plop into the drawer…or remove a bra from a woman without needing the straps to go around her arms.
That would be handy with locks. And those annoying wire puzzles people keep giving me.
You realize how lethal a power like that could actually be?
You could phase grenades inside people.
Yeah, imagine the medical mystery resulting from a guy patting someone on the back only to have phased a rock or sharp bits of shrapnel into that person’s lungs among other tactically placed obstructions.
But if you’re not in the mind to become a hit man or other murderer then this power becomes less useful. Let’s put this in the not super hero material power pool (along side things like acid spit, venom nails, poison skin, inducing sickness, and the like). Better to focus on your people skills.
Ah, but the flaw in your reasoning is if Hench Wench only gets her powers from supervillains.
Whereas Deus is the paragon of humanity, clearly not a supervillain or a villain in any way whatsoever.
All praise Deus, amen.
But Deus can play the role of a supervillain so he can hire supers of the less heroic type. He have done so many times before and very successfully so. Being a supervillain for the lesser evil and greater good. This may in fact be his greatest ability. Perhaps it’s enough to convince HW that he and his employees are supervillains for her powers to work. Shouldn’t be hard to Deus to do right?
That would be a very machiavellian play worthy of his greatness, I must admit. Deus could very likely fool fate itself by pretending to be a supervillain so masterfully that HW’s powers would work for him.
I commend you on your wisdom and indomitable foresight in realizing something I had forgotten. That ALL things are truly possible through Deus. You have indeed humbled me, sir.
All praise Deus, amen.
Machiavellian? More like Machina-vellian am I right?
Take not the Deus in vain.
Surely Deus shall forgive Ro Jaws for his blasphemous puns. He is more forgiving than I.
Or even Machina-villain.
I think it’s a mental power – something that has no physical effect but allows him to “know things he shouldn’t”, which helps him in his endeavours.
The word for legal representative in English would be counsel, not council. The latter is a bunch of local level politicians who typically make petty rules and waste money. American may vary, I cannot be sure.
Just wondering how henchwrnch discovered her powers. Do all supers have an innate knowledge of their abilities or do they have to research to find out? Just saying that if it were innate then wouldn’t that mayan woman on the team already know how her gestalt would appear with any given person, but she doesn’t, which means at some point HW had to have made a contract with someone villainous in order to find out that she had her legal powers.
Given that she’s a paralegal, she probably joined up with a law firm of questionable morality, and then discovered a suit of powers.
There’s innate knowledge of the Power’s nature, and then there’s innate knowledge of all its implications. Varia can easily know that she gets ‘different gestalt Powers with different people’, without necessarily knowing what any given person will trigger. A bit like how you can have a telephone directory that you know covers the whole county, but not know that the person you’ve just met is name 59 on page 472 and therefore Stacey Minson.
So.. to summarize, Henchwench is skilled, intelligent, utterly freaking hawt, AND has powers (usually).. and she’s a bad girl… *happy sigh*
But is she into bondage? She’s about to find out, I think…
Well she’s going straight into cuffs.
called it
only problem is if she has other powers from other people in different contracts
Yeah, If I were her, I’d have a secondary contract with someone with “Escape” type powers to cover situations like this.
From what I recall of contract law, any contract or agreement for an illegal purpose is, by definition, an illegal, and therefore Void, contract (or agreement). Breaking the law while performing your duties under a contract would probably meet all the legal requirements in any court in the US. As far as the “The Constitution doesn’t provide Arianna the power to do that”, Federal powers, especially emergency powers, are very broad, but even if they weren’t, if HenchWench’s powers are based on the enforceability of her contract, then it either shouldn’t have worked from the beginning (because the contract was illegal and therefore void from the start), or anyone with any authority (Not like her boss or someone with authority OVER her, like, not joe shmoe off the street, but maybe a cop, or in Arianna’s case, an Attorney) would be able to just say “Hey, illegal contracts are void”, and her powers stop. If it’s more tied to the paper of the contract, then the stamping might suffice to put the contract on hold or suspend the LLC (something that MANY government offices do, WELL in advance of actual court cases, because we want you to stop doing what we THINK is illegal while we determine whether it IS illegal or not, this usually only requires a court order, a piece of paper with a judges signature on it, not necessarily an actual sitting in court).
Kinda makes me wonder about those old “Deal with the devil” type situations: If you burned HenchWench’s LLC docs… would the contract/agreement cease to be? Would you need all the copies of it (that’d be a pain in the butt), or just the ones with “Wet Ink” signatures. Would ripping them in half count? Strangely enough, as I think about it, it’d probably depend on the wording of the contract itself (if we ignore the illegality issue), since as someone once put it: A contract is whatever agreement two or more parties agree to be bound by (provided it’s legal). The contract could say “This contract is considered valid until all copies are taken to the moon and set on fire in a pure nitrogen atmosphere at 14psi” etc. Yeah, sure it’s impossible to burn something in a pure nitrogen atmosphere, that’s kinda the point. Plus, I could totally see Dabbler putting it in pure nitrogen, then just hitting it with a strong enough laser or equivalent or even just arcing enough electricity/plasma through it to cause it to char down to ash and calling it a day.
Unless the contract specified what the term “burning” meant, you could use the nitrogen atmosphere and any fluid oxidizing solvent (sulfuric acid for example). Or, like you said, anything that imparted sufficient heat to destroy the paper.
Six months from now, a judge for some reason or other declares the motion to dissolve the LLC moot, and HW explodes out of her cell and flies off.
“Bribe” is the term you’re looking for
My question is: how did Henchwench discover her power? Was she hired by another villain as a costume designer or was she hired as a paralegal by a different super?
As her power is based around these contracts, I expect that there would be a fascinating backstore there.
In Germany, it’s illegal for a party to be a representative of both sides of a contract at the same time. For example, the manager of a company can not legally hire themselves as a contractor to embezzle money. I would assume there’s something similar in the US legal system.
You’d be wrong. There are tax rules around self-dealing, but nothing preventing someone from hiring a subcontracted company that they also own and shuffling the money around and/or out of the country.
There is “breach of fiduciary duty” which makes that illegal, if it affects anyone else. (Like if there are other partners, owners or shareholders.) As a crime, it usually falls under a kind of theft.
I think her power are at least in part psychological. They work because she think they works, and Arianna can suspend then because she (HW) think that she have the legal power to suspend them, but it would still have worked if Arianna suspended the contract without telling her? There is no way to know as things are.
A close reading of contract law will probably. . .ruin Henchwench for life.
Seriously, the minute detail of how the basically intuitive concepts of how ownership of goods and services is exchanged in strict legal terms is absolutely mind-numbing in their exhaustive scope. And you’ve got superpowers, and by extension a livelihood that depend on them? It would be Hell.
She needs Arianna who presumably knows the legalese like the back of her hand or at least knows which lawyers to hire to figure it out for her to handle the business that’s the source of her powers, is what I’m saying.
I am pleased to see Arianna getting screen time.
Satisfying. Yes. I think Arianna speaks for us all.
I’ve seen other people with legal knowledge comment that under current laws Arianna’s statement makes no sense. You could change it to making Arianna a judge or having someone else officially dissolve the contract, but I think I’d like if you kept it as is or had Arianna invoke her powers under the “Supers-Related Blah Blah Plot Device Act” in this fictional universe. I think it’s cool to have Arianna stamping the form, and IMO HW’s powers make no sense anyway, so it may as well just look cool.
I think HW’s powers make no sense because laws DO NOT WORK THAT WAY, as the meme goes. Laws can be logically self-contradictory and are inherently reliant on enforcement. That’s why some people say “it’s only illegal if you get caught”. Because really, the only meaning a law has is whatever the people enforcing it can and will give it. So having physical superpowers based on that is kind of nonsense and raises a whole bunch of questions about how that works in practice.
ARCHON could be under Homeland Security, while in the US, but Department of Defense outside it’s borders. An example of this would be the Coast Guard.
Police powers inside the borders, but Military outside.
Legally, they would have to have Title 10 DoD military orders written every time they stepped outside US borders… unless they have UN backing.
However, if they were Private Military Contractors hired by the US Government, none of that applies. It’s a vague area in the Law, which is where Ariana comes in…
oh lol that contract btw …so henckwench was signed to play NetHack?
My burning question is… What in gods name is her origin story? What super did she work for that revealed her powers? And what catalyzed her descent into villainy?
These last few comics prove that henchwench’s powers do not require a person to be a super villa. Concretia changed sides but kept her powers. It’s the contract itself. Contract her to work for Archon, even if she can only use a 10th of each persons powers she will be the new number one hero. I’m a little unsure on this character, max is a power house but hench is technically unlimited unless her power has a side effect. She’s like nemesis but without it being offensive, stronger archon gets stronger she gets.
Concretia was still part of the LLC, regardless of her actions – fighting against her captors’ team doesn’t mean she’s converting to Archon / good.
I actually wonder how serious a crime you have to commit to be a supervillain in a legal sense in the Grrlpower universe.
Because I keep thinking of Butters from South Park being Professor Chaos and stealing socks from dryers, wrapping only 49 pennies in a penny bank wrapper and depositing it in the bank, or switching the meal order at Bennigans and calling himself a supervillain. :) I mean it’s not his fault he doesnt do any BIG crimes… the Simpsons already did all the big ones. Poor Professor Chaos. Aw heck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5WpWnidE0
“MUAHAHAHA I AM PROFESSOR CHAOS! AND NOW THIS PUNY WORLD WILL KNEEL DOWN TO ME!”