Grrl Power #895 – Fine print, bitches!
Apparently Hench Wench got her gorge under control. It’s been suggested that Hench Wench’s day job is a contract attorney. Makes sense to me.
I don’t know if LLCs have officers or are referred to as charters. I did a minimal amount of googling, but I figure I retroactive it if Hench is talking total nonsense in panel two there.
I do like the idea that Hench Wench comes in, gets herself hired, then goes bezerk with everyone else’s abilities, runs roughshod over their plans and basically tops from the bottom. But even though she’s infamous in super villain circles, everyone keeps hiring her because she’s such a god damned force multiplier.
Weirdly, Hench Wench’s clothes aren’t getting burned, but her stocking can get torn up because that’s kind of sexy, especially on the knee there. Also keeping track of a bunch of progressive battle damage on her outfit is a pain in the butt. I only did it with Maxima’s outfit because I knew I’d only have to track it for two pages. :)
[cough]Kelek.[/cough]
Speaking of LLCs, here’s a book recommendation that I think I might have recommended before, but I’m recommending it again because book 4 just came out after 3 years. It’s Delvers, LLC. It’s an isekai series, but there’s two unique things about it that I like. One, the main characters are two guys who are friends transported there at the same time, so it’s like a buddy isekai series. Two, the series tries hard to set up a harem for both guys, but as I recall through the end of book 3, it doesn’t happen. I’m relistening to the books because as I said, book 3 came out just over 3 years ago, so I might be wrong. I’ve only just started in on book 3.
Actually, the thing I like most about the books is the world building. The setup for the MCs having a harem is that the world has a 3 to 1 female to male ratio. A lot of books would kind of leave it at that, but Delvers goes into how most marriages are different, and how the women of the world think it sounds exhausting to be the only other person in a marriage. Most guards and mercenaries are women because men are considered to be more valued, stuff like that. I also dig all the details about how the animal people are super sensitive to body language and ear/tail positions and how much teeth they’re showing. Man I love good xenoanthropology.
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Exactly who is she beating up here? I was hoping it was Max, but I see her in panel 2…
Looks like Achilles to me.
Achilles trying his new signature move. Heatwave wouldn’t be flaming if that was her boyfriend back there.
You are right. He’s the only other one than Max who could take that beating. Good call.
and once again achilles ends up buried under some rubble…. he’s the best at what he does and what he does is get buried
action wise I’d think Heat Wave, but in the next panel I don’t see red hair, and going by the rule this is all a flash back and comedy focused series I don’t see Heat Wave getting squished so assuming the one getting the geokinetic crush there is likely Achilles.
Yeah, it’s always the hero who won’t be hurt by the lethal attack who is the target of the lethal attack.
Well, in a non-snuff work, you want to save the dangerous attacks for those who you know can survive
As usual, you don’t understand what’s going on.
Amorphous was punched in the back of the head by Hench Wench, who has at the very least the same strength as Brüt, and that punch would have killed any Archon Super who didn’t have his Armor rating of 4 as seen on the cast page. So Amorphous was the guy who got punched, because it wouldn’t be lethal.
But Hench Wench had absolutely zero knowledge that Amorphous could take that kind of a hit without dying, all she’d seen him do previously was stretch. She gagged at turning his head inside out, but in reality if that triggered her gag reflex then punching, say, Heatwave (who has no armor rating at all on the cast page) in the back of the head would have done the same, as her fist would have exited the front of Heatwave’s skull trailing the grey matter that you lack.
I think you’re getting the distinction between character and creator blurred, in terms of knowledge and motivation.
The character Hench Wench does not necessarily have knowledge of who are the toughest targets and what their limits are. Her own morality may lead her to limit her attacks in general, at least until a target is shown to be able to handle more, but it doesn’t look as though she’s taking that choice today.
The creator DaveB (usually) chooses to limit what’s shown on-page to “PG-13 for violence”. There are some notable exceptions, especially when a certain Alari blood-mage is involved, but the intention at least is clearly stated. As the Author, he is able to ensure that Hench Wench’s heaviest hits happen to land on those most able to take them, and that the
squishiermore breakable* team members are out of the way when things get nasty.*Mr. Amorphous has just shown that those two terms, despite common usage, are not necessarily equivalent!
I think he knew but was trying to accuse you of wanting to turn this into Attack on Titan or Game of Thrones where any character can be brutally killed, as opposed to the action/comedy that it is so obeys that rule that the high action moments end up aimed at only those that can/will survive them. That way we get the spectacle without the unnecessary killing of random reoccurring characters for the story.
Not the intent of the post, but that can work :D
Looks like Achilles as he was holding her in panel 1.
Has to be Achilles. Who else could have held her while Brook was barbecuing them?
Definitely Achilles. He’s is in the Who’s Who, so it has to be him.
Huh, I guess it is a little hard to see him in panel 1 there. That’s the disadvantage of working at 600 dpi, it was much larger when zoomed in.
It’s Achilles BTW.
Nope, it’s not that hard to see, his face is clear enough to make out without having to zoom in
While standardized uniforms are nice, it might be that Archon decides to give each member a slightly different costume so that their teammates can identify who they’re looking at very quickly so that they don’t send a nuclear laser at Mr Amorphous thinking he’s Achilles. Most of the women have that brightly colored and distinctive hair. Normal militaries/cops don’t have that issue since most of them have near equal levels of skill and toughness on the team.
In a rare moment of agreement with Guesticus, I have to say that while it isn’t exactly clear who is holding Hench Wench, the fact that Heatwave is throwing a firestorm at her made it clear to me that it was Achilles. This was reinforced by his size, which is far more your “typical man on the street” size than most other male Archon members. In other words, the context made up for the art not being quite conclusive.
Like said, his face is clearly visible
No, on this we will have to disagree.
An Earth Wiener is the Thing’s Thing.
Sounds like something Toph would say!
Looks like something Toph would do. So one of her employers is an earth-bender?
Well, Hench Wench is still a bit power crazy ……….. OK, a low power crazy. But also fine print savvy. However I suspect it will not end all that well for her. She is a henchman, well, henchwoman, and things rarely end well for the hirelings. But this is Grrl Power ……… things don’t always follow form due to the influence of Sydney. She does tend to warp normality ………… where is Sydney anyway? Things get really weird when Sydney isn’t being supervised.
Should have been a LOT crazy. My bad.
She is off hiding the status pod. I wonder if she is down in the mountains of New Jersey looking for a good place to put it.
Sydney (thoughts): Hmm, if I was a mountain hide-out, where would I be? C’mon, we tracked Sciona around here somewhere. It’s not like she would be using her old lair again. Hey, I recognize that bridge; they’ve almost finish fixing it. Way to go. So that means I want to go … there! What the?! Where did the the hill go?! Umm, doesn’t look like I can put anything there, unless I stick it in that rubble at the bottom. Okay, so where else can I stick this thing?
Probably could have used a small squash panel to show who (I am betting it is Achilles) jumped her from behind.
Also this does reveal their LLC has one more member or at least either not on this mission or else where for another hand off/get away for the flyer. Unless the flyer is also a geokinetic which, to be fair you never see (except for weirdos like Terrax where they can ride on a levitating rock because their geokinesis also has that weird floating stones part.
scratch the first sentence I said, tired and blind, didn’t see him in panel one holding her. well that said he was missing from the last few pages so assumed off panel somewhere.
Get some rocks in the boots, bracers, shin guards, helmet and other body covers and you can float yourself as you like. Probably good for adding power to your moves as well.
But I agree it’s a bit like Barron Munchausen lifting himself up by his own pony-tail.
However, this appears less like levitation than possibly the earth molding or moving and staying intact so far. That thing just snaked out of there. If it was full levitation capable I’d imagine she might have just lifted up a giant chunk and hurtled it into him, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.
…If I where Achilles, my greatest fear would be getting trapped somewhere I couldn’t escape. Imagine if she used her powers to thrust him into the core of the Earth.
I am just imagining some geokinetic making a rock armor and trying to fly around like Iron Man but forgetting he doesn’t use propulsion systems and just “somehow” makes rocks float and go in general directions so has to keep trying to multitask which parts of the armor to levitate in what direction so he doesn’t just go tumbling through the air. (probably a good reason for this type of geokinetic to just do the piggyback / surfboard ride thing with floating boulders. Although it would be an option to try and throw your opponent off guard as to what your real power is and blind side them.
Depends on whether you Petrokinetic’s power is ‘moves rocks arbitrarily in space’ or ‘reshapes rocks’. One who simply reshapes would need to keep it supported from the ground or via other structures; they could ride the wave, but the wave would still have its full weight to support.
Terra (the first one, not the second one) was also a villain. She was working undercover for Deathstroke to take down the Titans).
Wasn’t Terrax one of Galactus’ Heralds?
Or was that one of the enemies of the Legion of Superheroes? :thinking:
Yes Terrax was a herald of Galactus, and should still be active in Marvel but like Star Dust and the other still alive and empowered heralds the writers since Annihilation seem to have forgotten they exist.
I assumed Pander was just listing another Geokinetic for some reason so I didn’t reply. I mean Terra was also a geokinetic, I don’t know if she could fly on rocks though.
gonna give hench wench one thing she covered her bases.
So she’s sort of a CMOT Dibbler?
Nonsense! CMOT Dibbler can, apparently without the use of magic (some of his customers are Professors at Unseen University – they’d catch him at it, if he was):
1) sell you something you know is bad for you and tastes horrible…
b) sell it to you again after you recover from eating the previous one…
III) keep doing this over and over without a customer dying, killing him, or even hurting him OR his business.
OH, suddenly I’m glad she’s limited to supervillains…!
There’s also the thing where he takes over a company in an exciting new industry and suddenly you have 1000 elephants and creatures from the dungeon dimensions.
Achilles is a great distraction. He can’t hurt her or even slow her down but she’s wasting a lot of time on him that would be better spent on real opponents. I wonder if Sydney’s shield is proof against contract law. That would be insane levels of power ghere.
You’re saying she might have a Sphere of Influence?
her orbs have demonstrated an odd relation with magic. The com ball didn’t just have true sight through illussions but could also see and labeled *granted with weird alien language she can’t read* magical objects including the blood powered mannequins. Although supers are supposedly not magic she was able to see an area of influence affect from Vehemence power labeled across the ground like a giant circle of sigils; and her forcefield cut off the affect, both when just around her and when she put it around her and him so it couldn’t spread beyond the forcefield.
Vehemences powers gave him access to magic, specifically vehemic energy.
Harem was also affected by it, while her minds remained quantum entangled she couldn’t teleport while inside Halo’s shield.
She couldn’t *VORP* into Mr Buble when Sydney was being attacked by Shadowy Crushed-nuts
Oh, you mean that time Sydney was transporting Harem back to HQ?
>You’re saying she might have a Sphere of Influence?
*slow clap* I am ashamed that I did not come up with this pun , like years ago.
SmugD has a sphere of affluence. What would you call someone whose power was a sphere of effluence?
An otyugh?
Loophole, claim bankruptcy or rather CH11 which will allow a renegotiation of personnel contracts or flat out elimination. Bankruptcy would also allow the LLC to be dissolved and in so also eliminating her contract. The question remaining for that is who the CEO is or any allowed party to file for the bankruptcy. Unless specifically listed in the contract, any of the officers to file.
All of that takes time, even if you find a judge willing to skip a few (dozen) steps in the process
You forget something though. They have a legal team on call and you better believe they can get a judge to to sign for that one pretty much instantly. I’ve actually filed for bankruptcy as an LLC before. Believe it or not, most of that paperwork is pretty standardized and you can fill that out inside of 15 min. They less outside parties your LLC owes money to or has third party contracts with the faster the process. Once you have it filled out, you pretty much just need a judge to approve of it and make it official.
I can only see one non hero that can break her contract……Along came…a ARRAINNA, she a contract attorney…she could find a clause in henchwoman’s contractual employment to be null and voided to the L.L.C for not following orders when given when you been ordered to…
Yes lawyers are the heroes everyone needs.
I really want to see Arianna show up and structure victory via hostile takeover.
“Brut, how fast can you get the rest of the board on a conference call? I’m personally offering $1 for your LLC and plea bargains for the fastest 2/3 to vote yes.”
Honestly Arianna doesnt even need to do that. Because of RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act), Arianna can attack corrupt organizations (including criminal LLCs) if she can show they are performing acts as part of an ongoing criminal organization, they can prosecute the organization and even dissolve/dismantle it. Meaning any contracts they have will be null and void, including employee contracts. All they need to prove is two or more instances of racketeering activity that the defendant (which can be an LLC, not just an individual) directly invested in, maintained an interest in, or participated in). They’ve already done multiple instances of racketeering.
There is no 15-minute version of a trial, however. Maybe there is something in RICO that would allow a judge to suspend contracts on the spot, but I cannot see a lot of (non-supernatural) bases to do something like that. There’s likely no enabling language, and no precedent.
There does not need to be a trial for that. It can be as little as a phonecall and signing a paper. A judge has wide latitude during an emergency. And yes, there is precedent for it. Brut, or any of the LLC members, are free to challenge it though.
Oh wait, all they need is it to be even temporarily suspended, so even if they did challenge it, it would not matter since the point would be moot at that point.
One problem.
They know they are an LLC, now which LLC and through which legal office. They kind of need to know what it actually is and where.
All LLCs in NY are filed through the NY Secretary of State’s office. IF the aren’t, then they can’t operate in NY, and it would not be a legal LLC in the first place.
Leon can likely find out this information in about 4 seconds after getting Brut’s identity from the 4 million cameras in Times Square. :)
The same four seconds would be Max asking Brut the name of the LLC, and him replying, and it could even happen off screen for the biggest “rule of cool/funny” result…. waiting until HenchWench says something about being invincible ad is holding up a thousand ton chunk of rock, for example.
You could even show Arianna on that big Times Square video holding up the paper that nullified the LLC.
Yes I know taht Mx could just ask the name of the LLC. I’m just saying even that minor bit isnt necessary with ARCHON’s available options :) I really do want Arianna to be the one to stop Hench Wench because it’s so tailored for a lawyer to fix it, and would definitely be funny.
15 min in the middle of a life or death fight? That might as well be decades.
Zack Tilly!
Fifteen minutes is still fifteen minutes where Henchie still has powers
You don’t need bankruptcy, you just need an order dissolving the LLC. And you may not even need that. For this one, Arianna may be the savior.
Hench Wench said that SHE had them form the LLC for this purpose. That purpose is illegal. A contract for an illegal purpose is NULL and has no force. Thus, the LLC formation contract is NULL and the LLC does not legally exist.
The LLC doesn’t actually require a judge to nullify it, it is legally null already, because the Law in general does not allow a contract to be formed for an illegal purpose.
If Hench Wench is actually a lawyer, pointing this out to her will **POP** the contract for the LLC and her contract WITH the LLC at the same moment, and she’ll never be able to do it again, at least not with an LLC in a country grounded in British common law, like the US.
Sydney walks/floats up to Max and Brut: “So she’s a contracted power copier.”
Max: “Yeah. Looks like I’m gonna have to deal with her. Sydney can you keep on this guy while I…”
S: “Hang on.” [turns to Brut] “You can’t fire her, but what happens if YOU quit?”
Hmm provided they was no notice requirements she’d lose the strength and durability provided there wasn’t someone else off screen with those as well like this geokinesis we are seeing right now. But she would still have that and flight, but no longer be able to take a punch as well so a hold should work.
you can’t quit your LLC, you have to turn over your interests to someone else, usually another partner.
I still think Arianna will show up and declare the LLC void since it was formed for criminal purposes and she has judges on call 24/7 to produce a writ.
Vulture no. You can quit an LLC even as a member. You’re thinking of an LLP. And in any case Brut’s powers would not be considered to be owned by the LLC anyway. So even if the LLC acted like an LLP, he eould mot have to “give jhis powers to the LLC and more than I would have to give my legal skills to other members of my PLLC if I quit and had other members.
I agree with your second paragraph tho :)
That would be totally epic and totally ruin Maxima’s day if Ariana gets the chance to beat a super powered villian!
Dave! DO THIS!
I admit this sounds pretty damned funny. I hadn’t even considered this angle when I came up with the powerset.
It is sort of brilliant.
Is this where LegalEagle gets a cameo? That guy is showing up everywhere on YouTube …
I hadn’t heard about LegalEagle on youtube, thought at first you were referring to Legal Eagle, a character in Marion Harmon’s Wearing the Cape series, so he’s kinda in Grrlpower too? He is an attorney who can fly. Nothing else, just fly. He isn’t a superhero, just uses his powers to get around town and make court dates while avoiding traffic. Very popular among capes.
Well, Sydney has been in “Wearing the Cape”, so don’t see why not he can show up here
Story cross-overs can go both ways
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpa-Zb0ZcQjTCPP1Dx_1M8Q
Actually, I think Brut could formally declare his instantaneous resignation from the LLC, and withdraw from the organization, and she would lose his durability and strength immediately. Although the flight, and geomancy would still be an issue.
Apologies, I didn’t see someone had already posted that idea above.
Urg.. Hench Wench’s power is -so- stupid. Its 4th wall breaking annoyingly stupid.
Like seriously… ?
A power that takes fine print into consideration?
No, it just means she’s smarter than many bosses (villain or hero)
It’s not stupid, but it also does make it feel more fae or demonic contract based than what you typically see with a super human.
It makes sense to me.
Sydney exists in a universe with Angels and Demons alike both of which seem to channel their unique power sets by tapping into Thing(s) From Beyond.
Usually by a means of of physics apparently is best defined not so much by mathematics but by a set of universal rules that resemble Contract Law.
(because this stuff is all sourced “From Beyond”, where/whenever that happens to Be)
In such a Universe contract lawyers and warlocks are not all that different.
You just need to know the Language. AND pass the equivalent of a Bar Exam for your particular Universe’s jurisdiction (as determined by the Multi-versal Powers That Be)
The power only cares about employment status. It doesn’t have to understand why she wasn’t just fired. Just that she hasn’t yet been fired.
Hench Wench suddenly loses her powers. Ariana calls on Maxima’s phone to say she called a judge to get a judicial order declaring that as the LLC is a criminal organization, and was not ratified by the New York State Department of State, the LLC has been dissolved. Or at least suspended from doing business pending a trial, during which all employment contracts in furtherance of a criminal enterprise for criminal purposes are voided. :)
Lawyer powers activate!
pretty sure LLC is already an illegal organization. Even if they are legally not allowed to do business, nothing actually stops them. So they just illegally hire Hench Wench. Therefore, the court of law would be unable to stop this hiring.
Lawyer powers ignored.
Thank you
The point is not attacking the employment contract being illegal – it’s attacking the LLC itself being illegal, which is why she can have so many powers at once. An LLC is a LEGAL construction. It literally cannot exist if it’s for an illegal purpose, unlike employment.
ie, you can hire an assassin. It’s illegal but it’ll still be one person working for another person.
BUT you cannot form a group which by its very nature REQUIRES legal construction, like an LLC, if the goal of the LLC is to commit crimes. In short, The Legion of Doom can not be an LLC.
Again, the legal purpose of the L.L.C. (for the benefit of formation) could be providing food for the homeless
What they do on heir time off has nothing to do with it’s core business, just like MC gangs like the Sons of Anarchy or Hells Angels or Head Hunters
it will depend on where and how the “LLC” was actually created. If it’s a normal LLC, then it’s toast as soon as a lawyer hears its purpose and structure.
What if it’s purpose is to provide free meals to those in need? And this action is something they are doing in their spare time?
You never saw “Sons of Anarchy”, did you?
I prefer my bar certification (New York and Ohio) and federal certification to a TV show of people who havent ever read the Arthur Andersen case law for my legal reasoning. :) (ie, Arthur Andersen is supposed to be an accounting company engaged in ‘auditing.’ but it’s not supposed to be engaging in fraud, which they were, which is how they were taken down during the Enron scandal).
But in any case, they’d have to bring that up in court as a defense, and show proof that they do that. I don’t see Brut and Hench Wench handing out soup being likely. He even introduced himself as ‘like minded freelancers’ to the alien would-be kidnapper/mercenaries about 7-8 strips ago.
Also, and I can’t stress this enough, a judge can do this with a phonecall which can be challenged LATER anyway. Even if the judge winds up being wrong to do it, it doesnt matter for the current situation. For example, if a judge is called up to give an emergency warrant, and he or she grants it when he or she should not have granted it, it doesnt stop the police from breaking in the door using that warrant. The defendant will have to fight the legality of that warrant AFTERWARDS. But the door has already been busted in by that point.
Consider Hench Wench the door.
The problem with your reasoning is Hench Wench’s claim to having EVERYONE’S power is that an LLC exists. IF the LLC does not exist, she cannot have everyone’s power.
The problem with your solution to Hench wench tho is to legally disband LLC. Thus however only works by assuming that her powers rely on the legal laws humans have created.
What I am trying to say is that I do not think her powers are bound by our legal laws and contracts. If this is the case then your solution of calling a judge would not work.
I’m assuming her powers are bound by laws because DaveB said that he figured her day job might be a contract attorney. Which would make sense if your powers are heavily based on laws. Also because of almost everything she’s said in the comic.
I can only base my theories on what’s actually been either said in the comic or by the comic’s creator, DaveB. Anything else would just be bad fanfic (bad because I would not be using the in universe rules as presented to us).
Also I don’t think it’s necessarily only based on human laws. It’s based on whatever laws are in the employment contract to which she’s agreed. In this case – human laws, specifically human laws under the state of New York corporate law and agency law.
We don’t technically know whether it’s a NY LLC. It might be even funnier if it were an out of state corporation, not registered with the NY secretary of state to operate in NY, and therefore have no actual effect in NY. Once again, HenchWench’s powers go up in a puff of legalism.
They’re in New York. And are operating in New York. For the LLC to do business in New York, they will need to be registered as an LLC in New York, even if they’re also registered elsewhere.
Also they’re not a corporation – that’s different than an LLC.
But for the sake of argument, lets say it’s an out-of-state LLC and for some reason Hench Wench’s powers don’t care about that. I’m steelmanning your argument here.
It literally would take the same amount of time to find it as finding it in state, and ARCHON can just call ANY judge or the out of state secretary of state of that state just as easily as calling the secretary of state of NY.
I can see where Vildris is coming from. Hench Wench may use the complexities and fine print of Human legal systems when drawing up the contracts by which she is employed and empowered, as that provides countless examples of how to maximise her empowerment while minimising her accountability. Hence the comment about her day job. But using the forms of the Human legal system does not necessarily bind her to obey its jurisdiction, if such is not specified in the contract.
To take an analogy, it’s like studying the chain bindings used to restrain generations of famous escapologists. Except that where they used a padlock provided by a judge, she supplies her own.
I see where Vildris is coming from as well. I just do no think that what we’ve seen and heard from the characters meshes with what Vildris is saying in his/her theory.
Speaking of “fine print”, it does not mean what she seems to think it means. “Fine Print” is an aspect of “meeting of the minds” [No contract is valid unless all parties agree on the terms. If you do not know what the terms are, there is no meeting of the minds and no contract. Now the law tries not to reward stupidity, so it defines “knowing” here as “should have known” so even when you don’t know, the law will assume you should have known and the contract become valid, if you had a way to know. Fine print thus is only valid when it is routine and something you can be assumed to know.
The routine for being fired is that you can be fired largely at will at any time for any reason. So fine print saying otherwise has to be explained to the employee and employer or there is no meeting of the minds, and no contract, and in this case, no powers.
‘Fine Print’ has come to be known as “the stuff you didn’t bother to read, even if it is repeated multiple times in block letters”
How many people have signed a contract without reading everything?
Yeah, nah, you can’t be ‘fired largely at will at any time for any reason’, the firer has to have a valid reason, or the firee can file for Wrongful Dismissal… and win more times than they lose
That is largely down to which State or Country you happen to be employed in/by. Many states in the US are exactly as the previous person said, with the caveat that the reason given can not be due to a protected status (such as sex, race, or sexual orientation, and more commonly now: transgender status). They can also give a No Reason notice of termination, which is when they WANT to fire you for whatever reason, but can’t legally do so, or the reason is in a legal grey area. Then any appeals have the burden of proof for wrongful termination on the person being fired, rather than the company firing them.
“Insubordination to a superior” and “non-compliance with a valid order of a superior” would both be good enough in most states and provinces to fire someone without consulting with the board or requiring a vote.
Yep. There’s a difference between firing someone and notifying them they are in default of a contract. That could not require 2/3 of the officers.
The mistake is calling on her to surrender. Any officer could order her to run away.
I think it is time for ARC-Legal team to step in and find the loop-hole??? I don’t recal if there is alegal branch name for Arc yet. but the idea of a super being taken down by a lawyer who adjust his glasses and just cites the loophole to make her powerless… I think it is too funny to pass.
Behold Arianna, Archon’s secret weapon.
If there is ever a moment for her to shine as brightly as Max, this is it.
So, if Ariana manages to save them, would that make her an ARC-angel?
Beating her by corporate buy-out or simply hiring her. What is Hen Woman’s salaray? Compared to the salary of Archon?
They may already have one, and she’s on her way across town now. [spoiler]If memory serves, our Friendly Neighbourhood Pander has made reference to being based in NYC.[spoiler]
Mainly because they’re doing ‘business’ in New York, which means they’d need to be registered in New York to be a legally operating LLC. It’s the most likely scenario.
Although even if it was an out of state LLC, and for some reason Hench Wench’s powers didnt care about that, it takes the same amount of time to call any secretary of state of any state. :) And it also takes the same amount of time to do a national search as it takes to do a state search. It just costs a little more mone. Pretty sure ARCHON doesnt care about paying an extra $91 (I think that’s how much it costs to do a search of the entire US)
No, mugging the Heroes and aliens is not business, it’s pleasure
Well, it is for Henchie, not so much for Juggernot any more :P
Hmm, interesting. Wasn’t an earth-bender already mentioned in the series?
There’s a geokinetic who mined an Olympic swimming pool’s worth of gold out of the Earth’s core.
presumably this power is from a different potentially less intelligent or powerful geo-kinetic. as the other one almost certainly wouldn’t need a life of crime with enough gold stored away to make Fort knox look like a kids piggy bank.
There was a fairly powerful geomancer type person in the first big fight He was keeping the hero’s at bay trying to escape when vehemence came and stopped him so it wouldn’t ruin his big reveal.
I am certain that guy was a psychokinetic or telekinetic not as he was also able to redirect Atomic Bomb Shell’s bola explosive in mid flight
It might be magical in nature – then it would work with the wording of contracts.
Best guess? SHe is “hired” by a few other supers who are not here including one with a clothing protection power. They probably thought it was a useless power and smiled when someone was going to give them a lot of money to “copy” the power.
Why have every super who could try to fire you the moment you start winning… Or going slightly mad with power?
She said it had to be super villains, so they would also need to become a villain.
Work retail and you will feel the urge to become one quite easily. If you are in making pop up adds, politics, making computers or spreading computer viruses on purpose… or just make a career being mean to people on the internet then all you are missing is the powers to make you a super villain.
Really the “villain” part isn’t that hard to make. Just getting the super powers… Or the useful super powers that do not need extra powers to make them useful.
I’m a villain. I live in the country, in a villa.
First, define ‘villain’. If all that’s required is to ‘help evil triumph by a good person doing nothing’, there are many easy ways to abstain from fighting on the side of the Angels. You might even qualify just by keeping a police officer occupied with legitimate questions, thus preventing them going to assist with this incident.
And thus see the birth of a corpo from CP2077, Corporate contract makers filled with power; but ultimately on someone’s leash.
So insane strength and toughness from Brüt flying from the guy who collected the stasis gun and presumably some kind of geokinesis unless it’s less specific than that. Together with the comment on two-thirds that probably means whoever has the geokinesis power is likely the only guy not seen yet.
…Wait… We do know of a guy with geokinesis. The rich bloke with the stockpile of gold… I guess there are some things money can’t buy, like alien tech.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-368-billions-of-bullions/
or you could use Deus’s method; He bought a lot of alien tech with money.
I would have said “Officers named in the charter”, but it’s not that much of a difference. Especially not in the middle of a fight.
More often “managing partners”. LLCs tend to have people who are active partners and people who are passive investors, and the active partners who work in the business are usually called “managing partners”… but you CAN call them anything you want.
am i the only one who can sense a spin off series, with “for whom the bell tolls” and his sassy minion “hench wench” as they set off to make money rule the world, but end up accidently saving the day each time, through covert sabotage or their rivals in the evil industries, or accidently stealing a mccguffin thwarting the macinations of a big bad. end up getting a hero’s parade, and mistake it for an assembly of surrender :P
Ah, now: if Hench Wench’s employer group includes, say, Deus, and any woman with bigger breasts than her; will she in turn gain a larger bank account and go sudden breast growth, or will she just get Deu’s……. White Privlage, as long as what would in effect be like Dabbler’s Lust Aura?
*along with what would be
That is an interesting question. This starts to get into what the definition of “powers” is.
being a super can be detected with magic and thus can be strictly defined as “everybody who qualifies as super through spell x.”
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-80-she-used-this-spell-to-scan-a-hotdog-once-once/
This would at least limit her to getting bigger breast from her villainous boss who qualifies as a super.
I know some LLCs have specific dissolution conditions written into their founding papers.
I wonder … ?
If she can get away with ‘Removal of personnel requires a two third vote’ making it so the majority of those hiring her have to “fire” her before she loses anything could she get a way with something like “Removal of personnel require 100 year notice” or “Notice of dismissal must be submitted in trilluplicate” (1,000,000,000 times) so even if she’s immediately told “your fired” after signing the contract she still keeps the powers for (most likely) the rest of her life since her employment technically isn’t terminated yet?
Unreasonable clauses like ‘trilluplicate’ aren’t legally binding, a judge would toss them out. But the LLC members probably don’t know that; we need to find out if her power is determined by a judge’s interpretation of fine print or the employers’ understanding and intent.
‘trillupicate’ would be considered an ‘unconscionable’ condition in legal terms, which would indeed be tossed out. :) Plus trillupicate is a nonsense word that doesn’t actually exist anyway. Ambiguous terms are tossed out in a contract as well.
Unconsionable terms are terms that are so extremely unjust, or overwhelmingly one-sided in favor of the party who has the superior bargaining power, that they are contrary to good conscience.
Usually unconscionability works in favor of the non-corporation/LLC/etc but this would be a rare case of the employee adding the unconscionable condition :) If her power is based on actual contract law. :)
Ah yes, ‘unconscionable’ was the word I was looking for. Thanks for rescuing me,
PanderSuper Lawyer!Of course, this all depends upon exactly how the Hench Wench’s “power” actually works. Does it follow the accepted legal interpretation? Does it follow Hench Wench’s interpretation? Does it follow the employer’s interpretation? Does it follow the local jurisdiction? Does it follow the jurisdiction of the employer? Etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
She seems to have implied it’s based on legal interpretation in the first place, or an LLC would not be necessary for her.
No worries, my good citizen.
Fine print gets another fine mess started!
ALWAYS read the fine print!
generally speaking, an LLC has members or shareholders (depending on whether or not there is stock.) LLC’s can have corporate officers. they can be member managed or manager managed. LLCs generally have “operating agreements” but there’s no reason that can’t be called a charter. LLCs offer significant flexibility and so everything you’ve said can be accurate depending on how th documents are written, so no need for a retcon.
You beat me to it. Thank you.
I suppose you could call this a Hostile Take Over.
I think Dave was “close enough” for layman’s purposes.
It is totally gonna be Arianna that comes in.
*slaps a piece of paper in her face, all her powers vanish*
Halo: “what was that?”
Arianna: “EMINENT DOMAIN BIIITCH! BWHAHAHAHAHA! YOUR COMPAGNY IS NOW SHUT DOWN!”
Eminent Domain can’t be used to close down companies, only to seize property for public use. This LLC wouldn’t be dependent on having a headquarters, for example.
Hmm. Are the superpowers of employees ‘property’? Does this world have conscription?
Eminent Domain specifically deals with real estate. Physical property. You can’t build a bridge on someone’s superpowers.
Not with that quitter attitude you can’t.
Yeah, eminent domain wouldn’t work, but the members or shareholders could sell the LLC if desired. X-Factor once did similar when they were fighting Random and Havoc just offered him a bigger paycheck.
Tax evasion?
Not filling in the proper paperwork.
something that dissolves it or puts its legality into question.
her kryptonite has to be paperwork.
If a judge was convinced that the LLC was formed in order to do illegal activities, it would be really easy to get an order dissolving it. One critical point in law is that you can’t have a contract to break the law, and another one is that all forms of companies must at least attempt to obey the law (or at least something that they can argue in court is a reasonable interpretation of the law).
That’s how they got Al Capone, yknow :)
The movie was correct about that.
Have a judge issue a cease and desist order pending an environmental impact study of their activities.
Is that a Solo Leveling quote??
That’s what I thought!!!
When she said “ARISE!”, for a brief moment I thought she was extracting their shadows, like in the Korean Manhwa “Solo Levelling”
I thought in that brief moment she was going to pull a Psy-puppetry like Vehemence dead and make the defeated opponents rise again to fight, or a necrokinetic move and summon a bunch of ghosts.
Personally, throw Brut into the path of Hench Wench’s tantrum. She hits him with a borrowed power. That would trigger a termination clause in the contract. After all, any lawyer writing up that contract would have termination clauses for insubordination (technically atm she could argue she is attempting to ‘free’ Brut) or betrayal against members of the LLC. After all, they wouldn’t want Uberwench to break all their jaws and fingers so they couldn’t vote to fire her, or for 2/3 of the LLC to subjugate 1/3 of the members.
Though I think Arianna boshing her contract with legal judo is an awesome idea too, and she’d be somewhere near by watching all this unfold and guzzling antacids over the potential of one of ARC-SWAT’s yahoos causing an interstellar incident.
The team needs reinforcements – call in Arianna at once, to look over that contract!
Based off the powers she’s displaying there are villains in this fight who are unaccounted for.
Maybe they need a 2/3 majority to fire her… but he can probably leave the LLC (maybe some penalty involved, but nothing that isn’t worthwhile considering the situation) to strip her of whatever powers he provides.
I think you could honestly call this a Hostile Take Over.
An LLC is usually governed by an Operating Agreement (it doesn’t have shares, it has MEMBERSHIP INTEREST), and the people running it are Managing Members by default, but you can make up whatever kinds of titles you want honestly. No corporate formalities, which does make things easier. I have to tell you, mocking up some bylaws for your shell corporation when a lender decides it wants to pretend to look at them is tedious as hell. Plus you have to remember which states are actually Commonwealths.
I’d be curious if henchwenches powers actually derive from her contractual arrangement or she merely thinks they do.. not to say that she can just summon her powers at will but rather her powers can only be used if she puts herself through the right mental gymnastics. If the LLC fires her off screen for instance will she lose her powers then or when somebody tells her so. If it is based on the contract it implies sometype of mystical invisible lawyer type observer that interprets the contract and doles out her powers. I think it’s simplier than that though she’s a bit crazy and has some type of super powerful copycat power that’s tied to the bees buzzing in her head. Legal bees.
Hench Wench seems less like a lawyer/more like a frustrated paralegal, the kind that writes up all the paperwork for the attorney or other employer to sign and take credit for.
Imagine she is paralegal to Matt Murdoch or She-Hulk or Wilson Fisk, so frustrated with covering for them as they drag into the office after yet another a late night of beating up people, that she writes what she thinks is a nonsense contract lending her their powers and gets them to sign because they’re so busy supering that they don’t actually read her stuff. Imagine her surprise to discover it works!
to be honest I could see that actually working in the Marvel universe.
She-Hulk’s power has a massive nerf on it thanks to her signing a contract. That contract being to no longer acknowledge and take advantage of the fourth wall. She is still aware *sometimes* she lives in a fictional world but is no longer able to “know” that when on mission or break the fourth wall (think Deadpool is a fourth wall breaker, at one point She-Hulk was full on smashing down panel boarders, leaping between pages, fourth wall breaking. Which in universe had to look like time manipulation and reality teleporting.
Squirrel Girl has a similar contract but can still retain what she learns from fourth wall side panels and moments that would be non diegetic to anyone else. Although like many of her powers this was dialed back in her solo run to not be completely broken; the joke isn’t as funny when you have a monthly issue after all. Which is why She-hulk was dialed back too on that.
I wonder what her contract says about who is responsible for all the damages she is causing.
Have to wonder where the rest of the villain team is, with all the powers henchwench is showing off.
Home safe, since they aren’t needed.
I love the comic, and there are several pacifistic solutions to the hench wench problem already mentioned in the comments which would / could be entertaining. But I’m kind of tired of seeing Maxima stand around doing nothing. I’d like to see her break hench wench, or limb her like she was going to do with Kevin. Basically draw a line in the sand and say no more Ms. Nice Gurl.
I’d be interested in her giving Dabbler permissions to go lethal as well, and see what she can really do. Dabbler is more often than not simply comic relief. Teleport Hench wench to the dark side of Mercury so that she has to stay in the shadow of the planet or burn up. I don’t know, something that will make everyone else step back and pause.
Nice idea, except one very important fact: Maxi is Law Enforcement, which means she can only enforce the Law, she does any other than that, and she is breaking the law and, as such, just as much a criminal as SmugD and the rest of the L.L.C.
hey, on the one hand, she is law enforcement. On the other hand she was attacked with grenades and the bad guys are using extreme force. Additionally there are aliens. (aliens are kind of back seat at this point). The forces these guys are throwing around are at the “bad for a tank” level I think.
Yeah, doesn’t work that way: she still has to work within the law, which means: no excessive force (and before people chime in with shit about what happened this year, those are not the norm, regardless of how you view the police, and they can still be held accountable, regardless of how you feel about the punishment)
Going lethal is not an option, but as long it’s not reasonable force(for which she might start to qualify by nearly smashing Heathwave into the ground, due to the lethality of such actions), but her durability is pretty well documented(Brüt or higher), so she could still start hitting her with increasingly more powerful attacks until she stops.
For example: when she was hanging in the air with Achilles she could have shot them with a fingerblast that’s twice as powerful as her gun(she hangs in the air and can thus more easily cushion the blow and the force is more spread out than with a bullet).
Going full Kevin on her is overkill, but she could stop doing nothing.
And now I want a picture of Evil Tifa and Arianna!
You want Ari to cheat on her girlfriend? o_O
When Dabbler first shows off her seduction powers.
Arianna is thinking “not a lesbian, not a lesbian”, which at least implies her not having a girlfriend
At that point, Arianna and Suzi were yet to meet…
Have they ever met in canon?
They were seen exchanging punches on the periphery of the Restaurant Rumble (p279). It seems to have become an unofficial joke/speculation in the commentariat that they met up afterward to apologise for the ‘Klingon kisses’ and things went from there; certainly I intended my comment more as joke than assertion of fact.
If Hench Wench encountered a magic user….
Magic user:I cast a spell on thee! (does magic hand wave type of spell and hurls it at HW)
Hench Wench:(after spell was cast)Your spell didn’t work,I don’t feel a thing.
Magic user:Oh,yes I did! Just look down your skirt…!(sly look on face)
Hench Wench pulls her skirt’s elastic band forward to look. Her eyes widen and lets out a blood curdling scream!!!
I don’t get it.
Don’t engage.
I am certain this person is an erotica roleplayer. For some reason they pop up in random comment threads, deviant art, youtube, various comic strips. Unprompted they just start an erotic roleplaying session trying to get others to play along with them.
I have nothing against erotica *I’d be a hypocrite if I did* but there is a time and place for things and random comment pages is not it.
This seems like a good page to recommend How to Succeed in Evil again, which is about a lawyer gradually converting the dark side simply by trying to keep his supervillain clients from being complete morons.
It’s not great by any means, but there are some good moments that make it worth reading / hearing at least once.
I’m reminded of Kevin the Villian Consultant from the Dorkly videos on YouTube!
I’m an attorney who used to do LLC formation as part of my practice. LLCs are owned by “members” (analogous to a stockholder in a corporation) and are typically managed by “managers” (analogous to a director on the board of directors in a corporation). In a large LLC, you may actually have a board of managers, who will then typically hire “officers” to run the actual day-to-do operations of the LLC. Small LLCs typically don’t have separate managers and officers, or if they do, it’s just the same person wearing different hats (Bob might be both a manager and the president, say). Once an LLC gets big enough, it starts making organizational sense to have managers and officers be different people, so the people making the business decisions have a real layer of oversight over them.
This means that in a REALLY small LLC, the members, managers, and officers may all be the same person. In this sort of situation it’s not unusual for the LLC to be “member-managed,” dispensing with the manager layer altogether. After all, if your “company” is really just you and three buddies, you’re not actually overseeing anybody. The whole point of having a manager(s) is so the members can sit back and let professional corporate-oversight types mind things. In a small enough operation that doesn’t happen.
I don’t know what your plan is, but it sounds like Hench Wench’s employers are a fairly small outfit–just a couple of supers who formed an LLC to take advantage of HW’s powers. If that’s the case, I’d suggest what’s most likely is that the villains have formed a small member-managed LLC, and what Hench Wench ought to say is, “It takes a two-thirds vote of the members to remove any personnel.”
Of course, she could have encouraged them to invite passive members into the LLC, who are not present, to give her many more powers, and to then call the active members “officers” to make them feel bigger.
Which leaves us where we are…
Or even to have two classes of members: ‘Officers’ and ‘Fielders’, with the implied degrees of willingness to get a-brawlin’. After all, if you have to depend on others for your own ability to operate, why put it at the mercy of someone who may be captured and put under duress when you have the option to store it with someone sitting quietly on the far side of town?