Grrl Power #820 – Action overreaction
Hopefully I drew Sydney’s grip and stance right. There seems to be a few different ways to hold a revolver, depending on how the back end of it is shaped I think. Anyway, that’s not really the point of the page. Also it looks like Sydney’s right arm is locked, but it could be bent slightly at the elbow, just bent away from the camera so you can’t really tell. Pretend it’s whichever you think is best. Let’s assume that Seneca actually instructed Sydney on how to shoot the thing without maiming herself, because Sydney in a wrist brace would severely limit her utility in any super action.
No matter how well educated Sydney is about shooting a big bang, she’s still going to throw herself back like a crash test dummy, because she’s Sydney. If I wanted to shock you all, I would have had her fire the gun, then calmly hand it to Seneca and say “Hmm, yes, I see what you mean about the kick.” Actually, I would have done that if I wanted to hint to you guys that Sydney got replaced by a doppleganger at some point, because there’s basically zero chance she would act all cool and collected after firing a big honking gun like that.
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Am I, possibly, first?
With nothing of value or relating to the actual page, no, no you are not
Trust me, when it comes to posts of no value, you are talking to the Queen
I would have commented something of value but guns aren’t my thing. I just noticed that nobody had commented anything and it was the first time I’d visited this page and not seem a comment. I’m ashamed to admit the urge to leave my mark was overpowering.
Could have commented on the jeer-squad :P
Nicely done. I still it’s too soon for her, but it DOES get her to understand the 9 is no big deal
Never too soon to teach a rookie who believes they are ‘all that and a bag of crisps’ due respect
She’s not even firing 9mm. She’s firing FN 5.7. It has more velocity than 9mm but less recoil as well. Yes, it’s real, believe it or not. In fact, people who try it can’t believe it’s got more power yet recoils less.
More velocity, not necisarrily more power. Power is a function of velocity AND mass. A standard 9x19mm ball round is 115 to 147 grains [grain is 1/7000 of a pound], while the 5.7×28, depending on which cartridge is somewhere less than half that [between 23 and 31 grains]. The actual energy is roughly 450 to 550 joules [350 to 400 ft/lbs] while the 9x19mm runs between 381 to 588 joules depending on loading [355 to 454 ft/lbs].
The benifit to the 5.7 over 9mm is once the velocity gets up past 1400 FPS, soft armors are pretty much useless, especially with solid, pointy bullits, AND you start getting rifle like damage mechanisms instead of depending on bullet deformation.
That and the recoil is VERY controllable. I used to own one myself, and plan to again at some point because its just so gosh darn fun to shoot and to help new shooters learn [though .22 LR is much cheaper to shoot]
Ruger makes a 5.7 pistol now, that is better in every way than the FN except for the trigger. Why, oh why did they put a terrible trigger on it? But even with the awful, spongy, creepy, heavy trigger, it still shoots better and more reliably than the FN.
I know. Now if the ammo prices will just come down…
I wonder what it would take to improve that trigger…
Nothing more special than a good gunsmith.
And there is still the rumor of the ruger carbine to match the 57. will it fix the trigger?
will some known 3rd party come up with a drop in trigger for pistol and carbine 5.7?
will those ammo prices ever come down??? argh!
Ruger is known for the quality of their triggers, but not in a good way.
Ruger’s design philosophy can best be summed up as “Reliable and absolutely impossible to pin a law suit on us”.
Super heavy trigger pulls, locktite on every screw, overly robust parts, and a list of things that will void the warranty that’s a mile long.
It’s not so bad since it makes them very reliable firearms, especially for beginners. However, it makes them a nightmare for gunsmith to do any work on them beyond basic cleaning and maintenance.
Yeah, Ruger is no Maserati, it’s more like a Ford. Reliable, reasonably priced and common enough that most gunsmiths can repair or modify it as you like.
Im betting she put a set of blanks. Seriously that’s what I would do If I was handing someone like her a .45 let alone a Overpowered handgun like that.
Why? She didn’t point it at anyone. The first shot goes where you aim it and Seneca knew she wasn’t going to get a second one off. And if there was any question she would just load it with one round so Sydney couldn’t get any off that weren’t downrange.
There is at least one video of a handcannon going of twice due to kick. And the art on previous page shows there are at least two shots in the cylinder.
What generally happens is the shooter loses his/her grip, and then grabs at the pistol, pulling the trigger again. I believe at least one person killed herself doing that. Pro tip for the “not a gun guy”s; NEVER, EVER grab a falling gun, unless Jesus Christ is standing right there and order you to.
And if Jesus told you so because He thinks it’s time for you to “come Home?” Well, I suppose if you can trust Him to take you there When you’ve done yourself…
The only problem with that theory is that blanks have almost no recoil. They aren’t sending the mass of a bullet down range after all. That’s why you see people in movies doing things like hosing automatic weapons and the gun not moving even a bit.
Which is why in the miliary when we were using blanks we needed to apply a special barrel adapter to the end of our weapons so that the gasses could build up in the barrel as if there was a real bullet in them. In this way the weapon does kick and the gases act on the bolt assembly like they should with a real bullet and cycle the next round.
its worse than that the blanks we use will not cycle a semi auto, there basicaly a pistol caliber firecracker, but thats why we use them.
Let me clarify, with people going through orientation its one live round the rest blanks when firing in the range because even then Some(about half) tend to clench up and double discharge the higher powered rounds if there not used to the Idiot gun(for them) that they are trying, they ALWAYS use 1+ blanks on a high recoil gun like that just because the usual result of a rookie firing a gun like that with pure live ammo is the second shot going into the roof timbers IF WE ARE LUCKY when they reflexively clench their grip. often unintentional pulling the trigger a second time (and yes we have had one guy cause a third discharge, we had one guy who literally rolled over onto the gun after getting knocked on the ground and it discharged a 3rd time. He got lucky. he only needed treatment for the burns and internal bruising where muzzle blast cooked him. no idea where the bullet went because it was his gun and ammo, and not one of the Rookie safety classes. He sold the gun after that and stuck to 9/10 and .357 after that.
The range class will not allow them to load anything besides 1 + Blanks until they stop accidentally discharging the blanks. Seems to take some most people around 5 tries until they allow Michael to fix the trigger pull or they get it.
(by the way. apart from the usual misfires fissles and burst barrels, the worst case I know of at that range was someone firing a .45 colt C&B with modern powder back in the 90s, they put one down the range the second in the roof and the third in right side wall, they did not know enough to NOT load modern powder into a black powder cap and ball revolver to the same volume of powder)
Why does Jigs look pissed with the ‘angry muppet’ eyebrows? o_O
Glad I’m not the only one thinking it looks more like an ‘annoyed scowl’ than an ‘amused smirk’ that Jiggawatt is sporting.
Believe it’s partially due to the cap obscuring half of her eyebrows
Could be an “I hope you learned your lesson, newbie” look
Umm, isn’t Jigs also a newbie? o_O
That’s why they are in the same class
Sydney is newer than Jiggs, so Syd’s definitely the newbie.
The guy who is either a colony of sentient spiders in a human suit or a troll in a human suit pointed out that he was the newbie until Sydney showed up. That was when he got called out (mildly) for freaking Sydney out by claiming that if he got cut, hordes of spiders would spill out of the wound.
We’re still not sure if he actually is a human-sized spider mecha. It would explain his otherwise-improbable (even for a super) waistline.
Timey-wimey shenanigans would mean that Sydney is now several months behind her classmates.
But Sydney was also gaining valuable field experience (that no one expected her to get) during that time. Even during that limited combat time she got more experience than even several months of training would provide; the only disadvantage is that she missed training time in a number of specific subjects under relatively safe conditions. Let’s face it, on the Alari homeworld Sydney either did something right the first time or her “training” would have ended right there.
I own a 6in Bbl Taurus Raging bull in .454 Casull, Syddles is so tiny I am surprised Dave did not halve her hit her noggin with the gun in recoil.
Furst time I fired mine ( 300gr Buffalo Bore At 1600 fps) I was knocked back a step.
I stand 2 m and mass 115 kg.
Respect to Syd for taking it in stride.
That gun is so big in Sydney’s grip — obviously way too big for her hands — I’m surprised it didn’t just blow back through her hands and hit her in the face. Seneca grabbed the gun before it could hit Sydney in the head, an amazing display of agility and reflex, but I wonder how hot the barrel was? I know I only have movie knowledge when it comes to weapons, but there have been scenes where someone is tortured by pressing a recently fired barrel to the bad guy’s skin (Iron Man 3).
One shot won’t heat up the barrel that much. It takes time for heat to propagate, too.
Da. Aluminum* foil that barrel is not.
* Yes you Yanks did get that right, *^$%(&^ International Union of Chemists!
It’s like “Why does this word need an extra syllable? We all know what it means.”
American lazine.. er.. economy of action at its best. ;)
It’s ‘Aluminium’
Just down the road is the Tiwai Point Aluminium Smelter (at least for now, just have to see how long Tinto will keep it or shut it down)
after one shot, not very. Especially with the barrel shroud/weight on that Taurus.
Single round does not Heat it up much. Again personal experience. First time I fired mine it was about 27 C
and the barrel was not too hot to hold. As to the grip size , the Taurus has a very “grippy” rubber grip.
Quite easy to hold on to.
The outside of a barrel of a gun only fired once shouldn’t be more than warm. Also I’d add some foresight to that grab.
My first thought exactly. This could have ended worse.
I’m not certain, but power to weight ratio may actually factor in in the comic’s favour here. As Sydney likely masses at about 50kg or less, she might be pushed back fast enough that the gun misses her noggin, especially with Seneca grabbing it. Maybe.
That’s not how recoil or the human body works. This is a pistol. It is a large pistol, but a pistol. (Yes, I know it is a revolver.) It cannot knock you back, unless you were already off balance and on your toes or heels. It will cause your arms to flex, and the pistol will hit you in the forehead. Or you will lose your grip (which must have been quite weak to begin with), and the pistol will hit you in the face. Both of which will hurt.
Please note that the creator said Sydney threw herself back.
In fairness, even experienced shooters will have a hard time hanging onto a firearm like that the first time. I’m not sized anywhere near like Sydney, but the first time I fired a S&W 500, the grip would up at about a 45 degree angle to my hand.
Yup, that’s how recoil works.
With the bore above the hand, the tendency is for the weapon to ‘rotate’ in your grip.
A heavy load in a SAA style with smooth grips will sometimes see the barrel pointing straight up after the shot if the shooter isn’t prepared, hence why I have Pachmayers on my Blackhawk, they also add a small shelf at the top for the web of your hand to rest under which helps stop the rotation at the expense of more recoil into the hand.
Haven’t fired a Chiapa Rhino yet but with the bore axis so much lower, the ‘muzzle flip’ should be reduced by an order of magnitude and make follow up shots measureably faster.
I still have mixed feelings on this particular exercise.
I can see the value in it but I don’t see it being done safely here.
The potential for Sydney to drop the weapon was pretty high and there’s no point risking damaging an expensive piece of machinery to prove a point, especially a ‘duty weapon’ that might be needed at any time if aliens drop in suddenly…again ;)
All in all, pretty realistic, even if anything reasonably useable as a sidearm can’t throw you back ‘across the room’ like that on it’s own, it’s your muscles contracting that do it, or being very off-balance in the stance and staggering enough to lose your footing, although it could break loose from a weak grip and end up on the floor, possibly making a stop against the forehead on the way.
Sydney supposedly has had initial training so I’d think it’s her ADD/hyperactivity kicking in and causing her to overreact or dramatize it…or maybe just anticipate a recoil as seen in the movies and convince herself that she has to throw herself accordingly.
Either that or she just wanted to get caught by a pair of strong arms :)
For a laugh on the effects of real recoil, watch the old clips of someone firing a .577 T-Rex rifle without being prepared and using ‘bad drills’ ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EVqT3XEzss
Then remember that people fire the .950 JDJ without flying backward…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JUiVhM0V7Y
Excellent comic overall, it’s earned it’s spot on TW.
Been reading it since day one, just figured out now that you don’t need to make an account to post.
Having test fired a 0.50 Caliber Desert Eagle I can attest that it does not knock you back, but does rotate up with a tendency to fling the spent cartridges at your face. When I was finished, I had 6 black marks on my face where the cartridge had bounced off. It did not knock me back nor did it hurt my hand. It was simply a little more force to my hand than I was used to.
There’s a number of factors that need to be considered. First, different types of guns will deliver a different kind of recoil. For example, the recoil of a gas-operated semi-automatic pistol, compared to a revolver of the same caliber, will feel more like a “push” than a sharp snap.
Second, how long is the barrel? A longer barrel will help mitigate the recoil because of the added weight.
Third, how much powder is that bullet loaded with? A 250 grain Hornady XTP is not going to deliver as much stopping power (or as much recoil) as a 300 grain Hornady XTP.
Fourth, have you ever seen one of those Hollywood movies where someone gets shot, and the impact of the bullet sends them flying back several feet? That doesn’t happen. Every reaction is opposed by an equal reaction of the same magnitude in the opposite direction, without exception. If the shooter and the target were both 75 kg, and the bullet was powerful enough to send the target flying 3 feet through the air, then the recoil would send the shooter flying 3 feet through the air. No bullet fired from a man-portable weapon has that much power. (Although the target might reflexively stagger 3 feet backwards, he is not going to go flying backwards unless there’s a wire pulling him.)
I have fired a .454 Raging Bull with a 6.5 inch (16.5 cm) barrel with 300-grain Hornady XTP ammo. The first six rounds were alright, the next three rounds felt like getting hit in the palm with a 100 mph (160 kph) fastball. After three more rounds, my palm was sore, and stayed sore for about 30 minutes. My advice? Wear a glove.
… sure no bullet fired from a man-portable weapon has that much power, but did you looked what weapon the action hero is actually using? Several times it was actually something which is supposed to be mounted on helicopter.
If you were knocked back a step, you must have been standing on your toes.
Ahhh, not necessarily. When I was studying at the dojo. our sensei showed us graphically what foot placement does to you. As did our school firing range instructor some years earlier… So Syd should have been shown basic foot placement by {insert instructor here} (preferably Seneca because it’s her cannonical gun) to steady herself fore and aft. I’ll assume it was taught ;)
On top of that, no she didn’t appear to be leaning back in panel 1, but she also didn’t appear to be making much effort into leaning forward. I’m not about to tell our author he’s wrong about her deliberately falling back (‘cos he cain’t be), but at the same time Syd didn’t need to ham it up very much, the gun was doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
Regarding Seneca not wearing the muffs previously, always figured she was going to put them (back) on when Sydney was actually going to fire the (literally for Sydney) hand-cannon
A .454 is a hand cannon for pretty much anyone short of this guy.
Where did they get the scorecards from?
In their hands in panel three (and they appear to be mini-tablets slash smartphones)
Those seem to be standard ARC-Swat issue, considering that Jiggawatt, Harem, and Heatwave were using one to tap into the security camera feed and watch Math’s frustration at being barred from the obstacle course while (according to what the ladies were saying intending him to overhear) they were running the course in lingerie, and oil-wrestling and a kissing booth had been added.
Thoes are there personalo or Issued Ipad or Ebook devices.
Same place Sydney pulled the pompoms from when she was hiding under the ambulance.
I don’t want to sound too critical, but is it just me or does something seem off about the third panel? Maybe it is the proportions, or that more details are visible on just their faces than the whole rest of their bodies, but I get some uncanny valley feelings from them.
Was this page rushed? Were jiggawatt and co reused in 2 panels? And why is jiggawatt looking so ugly? How come all of them have blank stared and aren’t even looking at Sydney’s general direction?
Only 5.5? Varia, that was excellent flailing and a tush landing. If she had added a knockdown of crates to that, it would have been almost seven. That is a 6, at least.
Agreed, that was a solid flop. Buster Keaton, the 3 Stooges, and Patrick McManus demand a revote.
Varia was channeling the east German judge.
Points get docked for failing to bring a pile of cardboard boxes to be thrown into…..
You need to respect tradition!
Also, lack of a Doppler Wilhelm Scream.
gentle art critque. Nobody in the background appears to be looking at Halo. They’re just mugging for the camera.
Or are they looking at Seneca?
Yeah, I just drew standard eye direction on them. Should have had them track better.
Is this the first time we have seen Sydney in full-profile? She looks damn fine in panel one
If it wasn’t for her orbiting balls, her glasses and the ponytail, would have been wondering who the new Super was :)
Very most excellent artwork on that panel :D
I think it is her serious expression, I don’t think we have ever seen her with one, at least not so intense.
And very happy to see her aiming with both eyes open, like a pro!
Sydney in a wrist brace was the least of my worries here. There’s healers with super ability and magic in this universe. I was much more worried about a half-inch deep hammer gouge between her eyes and up across the top of her head. I’ve fired a couple of these super caliber handguns before, and I’m both experienced and a large, well-muscled guy. I don’t intend to fire any of them again. I’ll stay with small stuff like a .41 mag or .45 ACP. Calibers that can be controlled properly in real world situations.
I guess the point being, Dave, you COULD have had Sydney actually break her wrist on that gun … an entirely realistic outcome in this scenario … and she still would have been healed by the next morning. There was no real need to hodl back. Other than, it would have been sad to see her crying over it, and that wouldn’t have done much in teh way of calming her gun jitters.
Nah, its a Taurus Raging Bull. The grip and built in porting is specifically designed to tame that kind of recoil to be less punishing. That big red stripe down the back is recoil absorbing [Like a shock absorber it just stretches it out over a longer time vs getting that slap all at once…] and there are literally ports in the muzzle to counter the muzzle flip. Now, something like a Blackhawk, or Red hawk, or Dirty Harry’s Smith and Wesson, she’d have caught the front sight in her forehead if she hadn’t braced for it.
Remember, a handgun is just a short pulse rocket engine…as small as she is, she still masses enough to not have a very high thrust to mass ratio.
Yeah but her wrists aren’t straight, especially her left wrist. Even with the shock absorption a grip like that means her wrists took the force of the recoil, not her shoulders or body. Realistically, she should have ended up with at least a sprained left wrist and bruise on her forehead.
her right wrist looks straight, left is bent, sure, but the right looks locked in.
Looks more like the grip I use on my Glock 20. I don’t currently have a wheel gun so I can’t compare and see if there is much of a difference.
At least her hands are small enough that she doesn’t have to worry about getting her off hand thumb up near the cylinder gap…
I guess you missed the part where I’ve fired these types of handguns before. Don’t try to gaslight me on what it’s like for a 90 pound girl with wrists one third the bone and muscle structure of mine. It’s very possible to fracture your wrist firing these. I’ve also seen people bury the hammer in their forehead from much smaller weapons, such as .38 & .357, let alone something like my preferred .41 mag (when I want a revolver).
My comment was specifically directed at Dave can use this particular possibility in the comic because his canon universe has healing options our Real World doesn’t.
In fact, for future reference (if Dave happens to be reading), you can have any character (not necessarily Sydney) pick up all sorts of high-end weapons, be they Earth in origin or from elsewhere in the universe. The recoil from any of those may be quite unexpected and damaging in various capacities. No need to hod back given that ripped muscles, goucged foreheads, and broken bones are all easily mendable in this universe.
Not everybody is as indestructible as Max. I like to always keep in mind the “handgun” that Hellboy prefers, and which characters in the Grrlverse can and cannot fire without lethal effect to themselves.
Please, show us where she hit, and how big the crater is :D
I’m wondering as well, although we already saw Max hadouken this same range so there shouldn’t be much damage.
Ditto! I would like to know the path of the bullet, too.
Did Sydney aim for center mass or a head shot?
Well, I believe it is Seneca that will visit the doctor soon. Taking the recently-fired gun by its really-hot barrel might not be the best move.
I would have removed all bullets but one before shoting it.
DO we know if Seneca is a super? She might be have an invulnerability factor. That would account for her ability to grab the just fired hand cannon.
I mean SOMETHING has to be powered by the amount of sugar and carbs she eats without gaining any weight.
I think she’s not a literal Super, but an inhumanly skilled person like Math. She’s supposed to literally be the best soldier, the way he is the best martial artist, with all the different skills that go with that. I’m saying her hands are probably solid callus, or she’s mastered some secret army method of handling hot guns lol.
She’s a special forces Airman. Essentially, a female version of Colonel O’neill from Stargate SG-1. The gun grab might’ve just been easy for her because Sydney telegraphed the hell out of where the gun was going.
No, some people really do have out of control metabolic rates: they can eat a 10 course meal every day for a week with minimum exercise and barely gain a pound of weight, whereas someone else can eat ‘healthy’ salad every day for a month with regular exercise and gain several kilos (none of it muscle)
A major part of that isn’t actually their own metabolisms, it’s the differing mixtures of symbiotic (& possibly parasitic) organisms living in their guts…
The was meant to be: regardless of whether it is due to their own natural(?) metabolism or a tapeworm, some people can eat what ever they like and never gain an ounce (and some of us, find that fucking annoying, because that also includes muscle gain, or lack thereof)
I’ve come to the conclusion that when it comes to calories, there are ‘donors’ and ‘receptors’…
Donors can eat anything they like and stay painfully skinny…the calories they eat go directly to me.
As one of those unfortunate people with that medabolic condition… Yeah- the food bill blows chunks- because the nutrition evaporates along with the rest of the food.
Not if it was loaded with blanks. Bullets create a lot more heat than blanks, due to friction with the edge of the gun barrel.
if she’d fired the whole cylinder, sure. One shot. Nah, it would just be a bit warm. I was single shotting a .50 Beowulf a few weeks back doing some trouble shooting [heh] and even the gas tube didn’t get that warm. Now if I’d dumped 6 shots in random succession…yah, that would leave a mark.
Seneca should say: “Let’s try something more your speed…”
(She hands Sydney a dart gun)
Sydney: (disappointed look) Gee,thanks…!
Now,what would the others have to say about that?
Er… Like these you mean?
No,more like…this:
https://www.amazon.com/Dart-Gun-Toy-Inch/dp/B0090NOI92
how about this?
https://nerf.hasbro.com/en-us/product/nerf-ultra-one-motorized-blaster-high-capacity-drum-25-official-nerf-ultra-darts-the-farthest-flying-nerf-darts:D65B1AB5-782E-49F7-87BC-32F3D722116D
K: “Series 4 De-atomizer”
J: “Now that’s what I’m talkin about!”
K: “Noisy Cricket” (hands J the Noisy Cricket)
You didnt, but on the bright side you get to draw Sydney in a cast and sling, AND she gets to be extra loopy from the concussion. Everything about this mini-arc drips soy.
I just realized Sydney could probably use the light whip the brace herself as well as hold almost any gun and fire it single-handedly
Hmm, where did all the chokers go?
Possibly:
1) There are in training, so the collars are not required.
2) They are not worn on the range because the loud noises could damage the microphones.
3) To prevent the built in function of the collars from erroneously sending an automatic alert to the command center if an explosion or gunshot level noise is detected from personnel not on a mission. (my idea, but feel free to use it in the comic)
4) It is easier to draw that way.
I haven’t drawn them in a while and I kind of forgot. I need to have Arianna walk through and snap at them. They’re functional, but mostly they’re about branding.
Also, figured they were more for when they are On Duty and outside and, well, not faffing about ‘on base’
At which point will people notice that Sydney essentially is in the third panel twice ?
A time warp, maybe ?
I mean, her second panel hand is just a bit older than her third panel foot. :-p
I would call that artistic license. Dave wanted to show her entire hand in panel 2, but did not have room so he “extended” the image into panel 3.
That, or he drew her before cutting the picture into two panels. ;-)
Agreed – dividing between her hand and the orbs of the next panel puts the gutter right through Jigg’s face. Could’ve jagged the divider around, but it would’ve been a little distracting.
a .357 magnum would be more of a sharp bang rather than a boom. It also wouldn’t kick that hard compared to larger rounds seeing as how the round fired is equivalent to a 9mm in size but with slightly higher chamber pressure.
This is all true, but she’s not firing a .357 magnum, that’s a .454 casul.
That was no puny .357 mag. That was .454 Casull.
that is some recoil on that gun. It knocked the star right off the front of her hat!
Also blew all the chokers off!
Am I the only one who noticed that the hammer is back fully cocked for single-action fire, but the trigger is still fully forward for double-action?
No.
Given this is Sydney we’re talking about, I’m surprised she didn’t sprain her wrist or something in this little gag.
So, did she hit the paper? That part is still a mystery.
Pedant Alert.
It appears that Sydney is firing the Taurus single-action, with the hammer cocked. If so, the trigger would have moved to the back of the trigger guard when the hammer cocked, and only a light pull would fire the gun. A double-action shot, where the trigger both cocks the hammer and fires the gun, would start with the trigger in the position shown in frame 1.
My stepbrother used to have a .44 Magnum revolver. My sister and I were shooting with him one, and she asked to fire it. She did. Once was enough for her.
But she took out the ‘X’ on the bullseye, to my stepbrother’s dismay.
She hit the bullet trap behind the target, and as the .454 Casull is effectively an AoE weapon.. the target was hit.
While the right arm might be locked, her left elbow is definitely bent; bad form. Her thumbs should be going around the back of the grip. We can see her right thumb is, but her left thumb is just sitting there, doing nothing to help control the movement of the gun. In fact, all her left hand would do in that pose is try to push the firearm to the right. I am thinking that her left thumb should also be wrapped around the back of the grip and either under or behind her right palm, but I have only fired rifles, not pistols, so the holding pattern is very different.
Her left thumb makes sense if she’s using an asymmetric supporting grip, where her right hand is holding the firearm, and her left hand is holding her right hand. But that doesn’t look like what she’s doing; her grip looks like a double wrap, which is recommended if your hands are otherwise far too small to effectively grip a given pistol. In that case, her left thumb should wrap across the base of her right thumb (or otherwise risk being bitten by the slide when shooting an automatic).
Asymmetric supporting grip is typically taught at more advanced levels than I think Sydney is rated, and is used when firing across your body with a locked elbow on your firing arm and bent elbow on your supporting arm.
Please tell me part 2 of this lesson is that Sydney anticipated the kick and aimed down again. Seneca should really drive home that her anticipation can’t correct the *hiccough* of a bullet mid flight.
The karmic comedy ending to this is Max showing up and having Seneca and the peanutgallery fire a shot each from _her_ handcannon, to reinforce the basic rule of “Don’t be an asshole on the range”.
I vote for this to happen, if only off-screen in a vote incentive. It’s hilarious until you’re the one cradling your wrist, but I suspect they’ve all had enough experience by now to understand.
They weren’t being ‘assholes’, it was to show Sydney what a real ‘kick’ was and that her regulation sidearm was a ‘hiccup’ in comparison
I made a post with an example video of what can happen but for some reason it didn’t stick.
Short version, giving a newbie shooter a handcannon that experienced shooters treat with respect is an asshole move and a perfect way to cause accidents to happen.
You want to give them a comparison for kick, let them fire a 9mm or a .38 Spec. From 100 meter run to 200 meter run, not the freaking Marathon.
While Maxima’s persuader does carry more of a kick than most other pistols, it also has an extremely high pull weight on the trigger (as a ‘safety’ against its use by anyone without her level of super-strength). Unless Seneca’s been holding out on us, I don’t think anyone in the room would be able to fire it in the first place.
Another thought here is she is probably using the wrong stance. Because she is fire right handed, her right leg should be a step behind, knee straight and locked, to transmit the recoil to the ground. She is probably standing with her feet under her shoulders, which is fine when you are just supporting your weight with no additional horizontal forces, but Newton’s Third Law of Motion to the rescue (well kind of the opposite).
We-e-elllll, we’ll never know unless DaveB does a Big Reveal at some stage.
Yeah, improper foot placement will knock you off balance a lot more than the weapon’s recoil.
Grip is correct for a revolver but if your thumb is over the top like that on an Auto loader make darn sure its down.. blood being a corrosive agent it would be bad for the slide.. (oh and it hurts too)
Indoor range ALWAYS ware BOTH plugs and phones! I do at outdoor range too
There are many vids of people being over recoiled.
Reminds me of Charlie Brown being blown off the mound.
You know, even one shot through that gun will make the barrel HOT.
Not really, the barrels on revolvers of that size are massive chunks of metal.
And Seneca is not considerd a Super. So she should be feeling that.
not really that is a LOT of stainless to warm up. I shoot revolvers a good deal yes the barrel will get hot but it takes a a while.
But need not take my word for it.
“The .44 was a different story. One shot raised its temperature two degrees, six shots raised it 25 degrees, and after 18 shots the gun’s barrel was 42 degrees toastier than its starting temperature.”
https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3106/if-i-fired-a-pistol-and-then-stuck-it-in-my-waistband-like-on-tv-wouldn-t-i-get-burned/
Not really, I shoot revolvers from time to time and the will get hot but it takes a fair number of shots.
“The .44 was a different story. One shot raised its temperature two degrees, six shots raised it 25 degrees, and after 18 shots the gun’s barrel was 42 degrees toastier than its starting temperature.”
https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3106/if-i-fired-a-pistol-and-then-stuck-it-in-my-waistband-like-on-tv-wouldn-t-i-get-burned/
I thought Groundhog Day was last month.?
(posters on this site need to factor in that there can be up to a minute delay before it shows up. It depends on such things as sun spots, breakdowns on the on-ramps to the internet, Russian hackers, Russian dressing spilled on the servers, Bitcoin mining, or if the admins that host Dave’s website have fed the hamster on the wheel that powers their generator.)
system crashed (web site) and I figured it had failed when I re-joined site.
That would be me, standing on the Ctrl-F5 hard reload…
My dad and I went out shooting when I was in my early 20s. We brought his .22 rifle, and his .357 magnum Colt Python and were using normal rounds for the .22 and target rounds for the .357, though my dad also had some magnum hot load rounds as well (pushed to the safe limit, not just over).
After firing off some target rounds I asked him the difference between the target rounds and the magnum round. He grinned, loaded five of the chambers with target rounds, one with a magnum round, closed it, spun the cylinder and handed it over.
“Ok, son. Make sure you keep a firm grip on the handle with both hands, brace one foot back a little instead of square on, and see if you can tell me when you find the magnum round.”
*crack* (a little jump from the recoil)
*crack*
*crack*
*BOOM!!!* (I held onto the gun but the recoil kicked like a Clydesdale and my hands ended up over my head.)
“Let me guess, dad,” (I said when the ringing in my ears toned down even through the earplugs) “That was the magnum round.”
Heh, reminds me when some ‘friends’ took me shotgun hunting, well before I ever had any real experience with firearms. They’d been giving me green rounds all day and then slipped a red one to me claiming it was just ‘a different brand’. Nearly took my shoulder off.
Yeah.
I got to experience something similar back (again) in my early 20s. The dad of a former friend of mine took myself and a couple of other guys skeet shooting and we were using green shells most of the day. (It’s where I found out I actually have pretty good natural reflexes with a shotgun.)
About 2/3 of the way into the shooting we were running low on the green shells so he started alternating green and red loadups (both to conserve ammo, but also to give our shoulder a little extra time to recover). Fortunately he forewarned us and had us do a couple of trial shots so he could see if we could handle them. We had only one guy who couldn’t, but by the end of the day man… I had one hell of a bruise on my right shoulder even through the padding.
This is especially funny for me. My daughter is in law enfocement. During her firearms training her sergeant had to brace her while she was doing her 12 gauge qualifying (she’s 5 foot even and 115 pounds). She did qualify with high marks on her 9mm, .40 cal, pistols and the 308 rifle. The gauge was “satisfactory”.. she is one of the reasons I love this comic, she reminds me of Sydney a little. She has a touch of ADD and is small for what she does, but her first job as a LEO was in a level 4 men’s prison and tge guys there learned quick that she is a lot stronger and much more capable than she appears.
Sometimes things that pack a lot of kick come in small packages – hand grenades for example. XD
man i was really hoping she would have fired it off and because her arms were bent she was gonna smash herself in the face and break her glasses again.
Good job remembering the muffs, but everyone should really be wearing eye protection as well. No danger of flying brass with a revolver, but there are still other hazards. Plus, range safety means doing it right, All. The. Time.
At least we know she’s not terribly pissed off about it. The list didn’t appear.
Do supers evenneed ear protection?
Achilles doesn’t, but yeah. Seneca isn’t super, and the others aren’t invulnerable.