Grrl Power #818 – Queue E1M1.mid
I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard this music track.
The reason Peggy isn’t manning the gun range today is because I meant to show Sydney’s upgraded glasses the very next time she went shooting, but she already went. So I decided that Peggy is a big believer in safety goggles, and… I guess Sydney doesn’t like wearing the goggles over her admittedly weirdly huge lenses.
I’ve been to a shooting range only one time, for a beginner “rent a few different kinds of pistols and shoot them” thing, and I actually did get an ejected piece of brass stuck behind my glasses for like half a second. It wasn’t pressed up against my eye though, thankfully. And of course, some woman in a V-neck shirt got one down her top. There’s probably never been a day at any shooting range where that hasn’t happened at least once. I mean, can you blame the brass?
Dabbler has a similar system in her cybernetic eye. It scans the exterior of a gun as well as some of its internals, then projects a calculated crosshair based on the vanishing point drawn by the barrel shape as it’s pointed away from the wielder. It’s not as accurate as something with a smart jack built into it, but… it’s still pretty accurate, especially once a few rounds are fired and it can calibrate.
Arc-SWAT is hilariously casual. Seneca is from the Air Force Special Tactics Squadron, which is like the Air Force equivalent of the SEALS I guess? They don’t seem to have a cool name though, like “Rangers” or “Delta Force.” Just “STS” I guess. Anyway, I have no idea what rank Seneca would be, so let’s just say Master Sergeant. A raw recruit would not normally be addressing a MSgt by her first name like that. Like, probably never, actually. Maybe if they were both off duty and off base.
Of course, as you can probably tell from this page, Seneca is pretty laid back. She’s more of a “you seem vaguely aware of the risks, go for it.” kind of instructor.
Edit: For those who don’t recall Cora making new glasses for Sydney.
Edit 2: Okay, I added a thought bubble trim on panels 3 and 4 to help indicate that it’s a Sydney daydream.
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Prescription. Sports goggles can substitute for safety goggles, and are field combat appropriate, so are a good options. For those of who need safety goggles and hate contacts
That depends on field conditions.
For jungle conditions condensation on the inside of goggles makes them more trouble than they are worth unless you are facing chemical weapons or the goggles are providing you night vision.
Said Sports Goggles could be fitted with tiny fans to circulate air and knock out condensation. Many paintball masks have an attachment that works this way nowadays, and I think the Wintersports community (skiing, snowboarding, etcetera) took this innovation and have a similar attachment as well. :-)
Damn, sorry. Didn’t mean to reply to your comment or anything. Was just making a general statement
Her lack of muzzle awareness is triggering me
You wouldn’t think you could get .45 ACP brass stuck in the bridge of a pair of BCGs… you’d be wrong.
You can also get eyeglass lenses in ballistic-grade polycarbonate. Combine that with safety frames and removable side-shields, and you end up with combat-rated eyeglasses, that are fully acceptable to OSHA as shop goggles. You can even get them with fancy coatings like industrial-grade anti-fog.
What pistol, that size and shape, holds 21 rounds? That type usually only hold 8 or 9 (+1 chambered). Also, the round are a bit to long and narrow. They look more like low-powered rifle rounds. (tips of the bullets are also a bit to pointy, pistol ammo is more rounded)
Minor nitpick, but pistol ammo is larger than you would think.
This has been answered on the other 2 pages several times. It’s a FN Five-Seven. And the FN’s rounds do look like small rifle rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
The 5.7n in handguns is not a great round, but for the Mighty Halo it is really a badge of office more than anything else, until you get to anti Magic Rounds like Cold Iron, Silver, Blessed etc…
IF she is going to get in to hand guns.. at least once she needs to have 1875 Schofield revolver (or reproduction)
Except that if you look it up apparently NATO found that 5.7 ammo was determined to be leaps and bounds better than 9mm ammo…
Really? A Schofield for a Scoville?
Must… Resist… Urge to post Five Seven Copypasta.
But like that legend once said, Five-Seven makes little sense here. With 9mm you get the same wound for half the price. A Five-Seven as a service weapon reeks of unnecessary and wasteful spending.
For a completely different reason, I totally agree. OTOH, a “believable” gun like, oh, the Beretta Px4 Storm Full maybe, just won’t pierce body armour at 2m range. (And if Syd ever lets herself get closer than 2m to a (presumed) perp, I’ll climb into the comic and shoot her myself with her gun.)
Armor penetration is not about the size of the round, but largely velocity. The 5-7 round has give or take double the velocity of a standard 9mm. In my opinion it outperforms the 9mm in almost every aspect. Velocity is penetration, velocity is precision, weight is recoil, and size is ammo capacity. Higher penetration, higher precision, lower recoil, higher ammo capacity. It’s a very effective and easy to use weapon.
Guns, am I right?
The 5.7 round is made to perceive armor.
OOPs, penitrate, not perceive.
The pistol and the shape of the ammunition are correct for the FN Five-seveN® as noted on page 2 of the comments.
I would say the 5-7 is the perfect choice of sidearm for these guys. Against the “naturally” upgraded kinds of baddies they tangle with, they are far more likely to be running into harder to pierce targets… A 9mm might (if it’s a hollow point) do more damage to a regular human, it would be waaaaay less likely to do more than splatter against an alien or meta with hardened skin or armor. Would the 57 be more effective? Maybe not, but it’s much more likely.
Thank You, I really should have known that I was not the first gun nut to ask this question.
Also, curse you because I am going to be reading Wikipedia for the rest of the day. All hope of a productive afternoon has been lost.
Pssst. Hey, buddy. Yeah, you. Can I interest you in some tropes? Heh, heh.
Well theres goes a nigth of sleep
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As someone who has no experience with guns whatsoever, maybe it’s saying it’s a 21 calibre gun? Or it could be to do with the “fire 3 shots for basic calibration”? Could be with the amount of shots you’ve fired the laserline is 21% accurate? Or it’s taken note of how many other bullets she has on her?
21 caliber? Um, the barrel would be more than half a meter wide. “Caliber” is the diameter of the barrel in inches. One inch is 25.4 mm. That’s why a handgun’s caliber is usually in fractions of an inch.
The gun she’s holding is an FN Five-seveN, which fires 5.7mm rounds. It can have a 20 round magazine “plus one down the spout” (meaning a bullet is already loaded) for a total of 21 bullets.
People commonly leave off the decimal when describing the caliber of a small arm. They don’t say, “I learned to shoot a point forty five caliber colt 1911 yada yada yada.” They usually just call it a forty five. Dirty Harry didn’t make a point of saying “…point forty-four magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and will blow your head clean off.” So while you are pedantically accurate, common usage says “STFU.”
People ‘commonly leave off the decimal’ when describing the caliber (yes, stupid autocorwrong, that is the proper spelling in this case) of a small arm because they don’t know any better
MSpears corrected Dark Impulse without being a dick about it
In most cases, while the spoken phrase leaves off the point, the written phrase keeps the point
And 3 shots is a good grouping size so that you aren’t chasing problems like improper trigger pull after every shot to try and get video game accuracy. Although supposedly snipers are supposed to be able to zero their rifle in 3 shots after the first round. Although I’m not much of a long range shooter yet so I don’t know if thats true or not.
I wonder if Sydney could get the glasses to perform the same function in any other situations? Sydney could be chatting up someone at a bar and the glasses pop up a screen ‘REGISTERING NEW BOYFRIEND’ along with a visual overlay of the dimensions of certain body parts under the clothing.
*Registering critical snark levels. Adding target to ~THE LIST~*
+1
Do they even need safety glasses with superpowered healer and Dabbler on the team?
Losing an eye might not be a problem if you can get a superior cybernetic replacement.
Well apparently even having a superpowered healer (and Dabbler, but she doesn’t share her tech so no cybernetics for the Archon team) wasn’t enough to prevent the loss of a toe for Brook. So yeah, having and using safety equipment is a smart thing to do.
Plus, as Harem pointed out when Sydney asked why she cared about having a duplicate re-spawn with a broken arm that would be healed moments later, “it still hurts.”
As I mentioned a couple of months back, it’s remarkably easy to get hundreds of obsessives to post comments on your web page. Up to three pages already.
Any references to Star Trek or Star Wars will draw a huge multinational response, from obsessive geeks worldwide.
Any mention of guns will get a wave of comments too, but the obsessive geeks will almost all be from the USA.
I wasn’t aware that only the United States had a military.
Most of the responses on this topic have been current or prior military.
I would bet that it skews American only to the extent that military service in the English speaking world skews American.
I think you are missing the point.
Of course, every country has military, of some kind. I have served in ours, and I could still strip my guns blindfold if I had to.
But people from other countries don’t swarm round obsessively at any mention of guns. We see them as the tools of our army, and we let them go when we leave. A farmer may use a shotgun for pests, but we almost never see guns outside military service.
Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but gun obsessives are overwhelmingly from the USA. As you will see in these three pages of comments!
I don’t see any form of obsession.
I suppose if you have a certain mentality knowledge about a topic and chiming in on discussion of it counts as “obsession” think the topic should be verboten. An attitude which exactly parallels the Victorian attitude on sexuality to the point of using the exact same rhetorical methodology. Clearly everyone believes sexuality and weapons are private matters, eh?
If you think guns and sexuality are linked, you should talk to my friend Sigmund Freud, who has a view on that.
If you think three pages of comments about guns and ammunition are not a sign of obsession, you may need to spend more time outside US gun-loving circles. From outside, it looks really weird to us.
At no time did I say that they were linked.
I pointed out that the behavior of people who find either to be inappropriate discussion topics is the same.
Talking about either topic isn’t obsession although the Victorian prudes insisted that talking about sex out loud was obsession and obviously we have people who believe that discussing firearms when they are the topic is an obsession.
An actual obsession though would be changing the topic to guns when they are not related to the topic.
We see actual obsession from time to time on this forum when people hijack the topic into one about some religion or not having a religion, or their sexual desires, or some political mcguffin that they must go to absurd lenghths to tie to the comic.
But talking about guns when the topic of the current page is a sighting system?
Not an obsession.
NH, is a free state, guns are rather common, here.
yeah. I think age to purchase a firearm is like 12 and you only have to fill out a form and show ID for crew-served weapons.
I honestly have no idea if this is a joke or not. I’d like to think it is, but America be wacky yo.
/me goes and checks
Okay, it’s 16. Thank goodness, although that’s still disturbingly young. 16-year-old boys are not super well known for impulse control.
They can be, if they start at a young age and taught to treat weapons of all kinds with respect
And why does it have to only be boys purchasing, and using, firearms? You saying girls can’t be interested as well? o_O
That depends on the sixteen year old.
I had a job loading furniture trucks when I was Fourteen, and had been in the work force for two years by the time I was sixteen.
And then there are people in their thirties who live in their parents’ basement. They might not be responsible enough to safely handle a weapon.
Those people living in their parents’ basement are barely responsible enough to change their own diaper
the perceived American obsession with guns is usually due to a frame problem. many other countries don’t have the right to bear arms enshrined in the law of the land as we do. you see the same shock when you start talking politics and how shitty the (insert hated political party here) are around folk from communist countries. out “obsession with guns” is only that to people who are repressed from exercising that most fundamental right.
Now you see what I mean by weird. You don’t see the absurdity of gun ownership as a “fundamental right”.
In normal countries, fundamental rights means protection from poverty, having enough money to buy food, having decent housing, having the right to vote, free choice of sexuality, no discrimination, and that kind of thing.
Most of us rarely see a gun, outside the armed services or police. Some people never see guns in their entire lives. And few of us ever want one.
If someone in my country claimed he had a fundamental right to carry a gun, everyone would start LAUGHING! He would be seen as a childish absurdity, if he wasn’t assumed to be insane. If we saw a civilian carrying a gun on a street, we would assume he was planning to commit a crime, and call the cops.
Honestly, the USA is REALLY different, in its attitude to guns.
Well you see, in the United States we recognize a fundamental right entirely missing from your post.
Its probably missing for a reason.
We recognize the right to self defense, a fundamental right largely not recognized in much of the world.
You have babbled and heckled, but that is the difference at the very most fundamental level. Armaments provide the means to self defense against opponents more numerous or larger or stronger than you. That is what is the right. Weapons are merely a means to realistically accomplish seld defense.
“Armaments provide the means to self defense against opponents more numerous or larger or stronger than you.” Well, the greatest enemy of the american people are your corrupt politicians and government. So if you guys used those guns to defend yourself from them, this would be a valid statement.
It however, seems to me like americans just want to own guns as a hobby, which is totally ok. However, don’t spout this bullshitt about defending yourself “against opponents larger or stronger than you”.
Those may be great but people are killed and raped every day by people who are not the government.
Your attempt to hijack the matter into a general political diatribe fails to convince.
I am not blessed to have the lack of education and experience which is a necessary prerequisite to fantasize that people more numerous or stronger than me cannot or will not do me harm. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want someone to pull you down from your little cloud, but your little cloud isn’t reality.
How many times have you been raped or smothered unconscious?
You’re pretty blase about the history which shapes other people’s lives, and although from your post such things are just a big joke to you those things bring lifelong health issues to other people.
Interestingly, it’s a common interpretation that the Second Amendment was established for EXACTLY that reason – to give the people a means to defend themselves against the government. It was put into place as a direct reaction to the attempts by the English authorities to disarm the population when they were starting to get rowdy – and in the early days of the United States, each state’s government had a LOT more power than they do now, and they were worried that the fledgling United States government would try to rein them in through military force (which eventually DID happen in the Civil War a century later).
Much of the debate between pro- and anti-gun folks in the US revolves around whether the Second Amendment was intended to give individuals the right to bear arms in self-defense, or whether they had the right to bear arms in order to be part of a state militia, to resist the US government if it got out of hand.
you are kidding me you see a right as government welfare? a right is given to us by our creator and cannot be taken away. government care can be taken away, as can housing and any other thing that is given to you. no one can take away your voice, no one can take away your ability to move on a whim, also no one can take away your ability to resist, although they can make the cost of such so onerous that you refuse to do it. back when sticks and stones were the weapons of choice it wasn’t a big deal, your enemies and your tyrannical king had the same arms you did. with the invention of the sword, spear and bow things changed, atrocity such as Magdeburg, Constantinople, Troy, and other places and towns lost to history. because sharp sticks, fists, and rocks lose to Swords spears and bows. move into the modern age and guns beat all other weapons, now a new atrocity can come into play. Genocide. all tyrants take the guns before they light the ovens or hook up the gas chambers, or starve you to death or hit you in the back of the head with a crowbar. your rights to be taken care of by the government will last just as long as the government can get another segment of society to pay for it. or until they run out of credit with the world bank, like Greece.
Ummm. This non-US citizen, who does not admire their “freedom to bear arms” nor their reliance on them as solutions, nevertheless feels that the gun-related conversations in these three pages — I don’t think it’ll reach four — hardly constitutes an “obsession”.
I am not a gun nut myself, but I recognise the value of a good tool. There was a time when my father carried a gun or two every day of his life. Actually, until we arrived in a new land, I cannot remember seeing him unarmed, and that was not in or near the USA. And when we arrived (by ship) at our new home, I saw him throw his beloved Beretta M1923, seized in 1940 from an Italian officer in Eritrea, overboard with the holster and all ammunition. And I remember the weight lifting from my young shoulders as I realised we never had to fear for our lives again. Well, until I saw the loonies on the freeway, but that’s a different story.
Back on the subject: these three pages, for me, have been a forum on the merits of the tools, and the philosophies of their usage, some of which I deplore, and some of which I can understand.
Obsession? No.
if it were that easy, then laser sights would be on every weapon. it’s easy to illuminate and put a bead on a target, the difficulty comes, at least with pistols, with trigger control. I don’t care how well she’s got the target locked down, if her finer aint’ right and she jerks instead of squeezes she’s going to miss.
That’s why you hold the bottom of the pistol grip or the bottom of the magazine if you have something along the lines of a Mauser Broomhandle against a stable platform. And Sydney has seven available stable platforms she can lock into place wherever she needs them to be.
what you are describing is called the cup and saucer method. it’s been out of use since the late ’80s. current pistol philosophy has the shooter gripping the pistol with the dominant hand and with the non-dominant hand you wrap your fingers around the hand holding the pistol, dominant hand thumb rests on top of the non-dominant hand thumb both arms are very slightly bent. this method limits excess motion to the shoulders and the dynamic grip on the pistol (non-dominant hand is pulling back against the dominant hand) limits shoulder movement. but once again even if she has the pistol against a stable platform, if you trigger control is not right she will miss, usually high and to the right, due to her finger pulling the trigger to the right as she curls her finger.
While all of those hand position things have their place, Sydney is likely to be firing one handed much of the time. One hand filled with the flight orb or the comm orb or perhaps the Lighthook and the other hand for her weapon. So one of the remaining orbs can provide a bench rest (if you will) to give her a more stable shot.
Actually, the Lighthook could carry that chaingun with the bayonets and then form a tripod for it.
We-e-e-lll, no she won’t.
One, it’s highly unlikley any projectile can exit the Bubble at any speed; and
Two, https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-327-ask-a-self-evident-question/ makes it very clear the use of guns is for on-foot enforcement/peace-keeping only.
Somebody earlier wondered if Syd could simply Bubble-up and hit somebody at mach 4.1… Can anyone here say why that is NOT a good idea? In a mall, for example?
Oops. Just realised you didn’t say anything about the Bubble.
However, the message does remain: the only believable threat is focused and single-minded. A two-handed stance locking the sharp end firmly on the target fills this requirement. Syd’s comms are handled by the choker. No need to play with toys.
The glass shrapnel from all the shattering storefront windows would take out more shoppers than the supervillain could hope to. Plus, when she made contact, said villain would become a large mach+ speed projectile… or numerous smaller ones. xp (bone shard flechettes and pink mist, if they didn’t have super-durability?)
If it’s a multi-level mall, there’d likely be more than a few shoppers that’d be thrown from the balconies by the turbulence. Unless the bubble has some “magic” way of moving air particles around itself without causing pressure waves and turbulence, I’m guessing it’d cause a more intense sonic boom than a fighter jet. Did the comic address aerodynamics and sonic booms, back when Sydney was doing flight training with Max? I can’t remember.
Then, of course, there’s the problem of piloting the bubble at high velocity in a confined and hazard filled environment. Elwood Blues had quite a challenge navigating a mall at the speed of a 1974 Dodge Monaco sedan, and he and his brother Jake were “…on a mission from God.” Sydney is certainly nimble-minded, but there’s no way she could think fast enough to maneuver her bubble through a mall at mach 4.1.
TL;DR: Your concerns about using the bubble as a mach 4.1 bowling ball in a shopping mall are probably very well founded.
an invulnerable human-height diameter sphere moving at school-zone driving speed of 25mph /40KMph is going to deliver a pretty solid blow. Travelling at MACH or even highway speed is completely unnecessary to take people out. Even most supers.
I love that idea, she should be exploiting the lifting power of the orbs for stuff like hauling the chain gun around.
once she learns to shoot correctly, she can shoot one-handed and do pretty well. but not as well as two-handed.
Reading back a bit, just realized those demon-Os on 792 SHOULD have been Libid-Os…
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-792-vitamin-t/
No, that’s what she had to get instead :)
Frankly, I think what she should have been buying was After-Glo’s.
Sorry, but there is no Air Force equivalent to the SEALS. They stand alone, unequaled.
Believe the point was: every branch has a Special Forces unit, not ‘which Special Force pisses on the rest?’
The closest thing for the other two branches would be army rangers and maybe air force aerial rescue.
And before anyone says I forgot a branch… Jarheads you’re a subdivision of the Navy deal with it.
Dude, no. Rangers are NOT seal tier. The army equivalent would be the Green Berets. Rangers are elite infantry, but on a normal large unit equivalent. GBs, SEALS, Pararescue, and recon are all trained in squad level, sneaky type shit. They infiltrate, assess, assassinate, and breed discontent.
Rangers are just really fucking good at regular infantry stuff. Don’t let them lie to you.
Canadian Rangers are who the Seals came to train with, because there’s no one at their level in the stateside military. Same word, completely different level between the countries.
Should Sydney check on Olivia after that little “incident ” with Varia and Scarlett?
Current military here, and yeah, that’s pretty accurate. The joke goes like this: If you need someone dead, call the SEALS or Marine Recon / Raiders. If you need an airfield seized, call the Rangers. If you need a country overthrown, call the Army Special Forces. When those guys **** up, call AF Pararescue. I’ve had zero interaction with the Coasties so I can’t tell you much on that front.
Also, having worked with a couple of Rangers and SF dudes (strictly in a supporting role), they actually are hilariously casual. Things that normally wouldn’t fly in the conventional military (first names, shaggy hair, good-naturedly flipping your CO the bird) are everyday occurences there. Big boy responsibilities, big boy rules.
A natural extension of “No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection, and no unit that has just passed inspection has been combat ready”
“Don’t recall” Cora making Sidney new glasses? O_o
I looked straight at those panels and hadn’t the slightest clue what Cora was doing. I put it down to “high-tech alien stuff” and never thought about it again.
Truth be told, I don’t think I noticed when she lost her originals. Lots of other interesting stuff going on at the time, I’m sure.
Maybe go back and add an arm to that half-formed round object to make it more obvious just what it is Cora is fabricating?
Glasses were broken in issue #660. We finally got a clear look at how broken in #671.
So when Cora was fabricating new glasses many of us had been expectantly waiting for that to happen.
Just wondering, and I ask this with VERY little knowledge of proper gun usage, shouldn’t Sydney’s arms not be bent when she’s shooting? Because guns have a lot of kickback and I’d suspect that if she fired a gun with her elbows bent like that, the kickback would wind up making her butt herself in the face with the gun and her hands?
I’m just saying, every proper training montage I’ve seen of someone learning to use a gun has their arms straight when firing. :) Let me know if I’m wrong here because my brother once shot a gun when he was younger and held the gun sort of like she was holding it and he pretty much gave himself a black eye.
Yep, her form (panel 3) is a bit off, but a) it’s her imagination and she’s still in early training, and b) it’s hard to draw from a straight-on POV without making it look like her arm is just missing. I’m sure Peggy’s working on straightening her out.
As for recoil, it’s simple physics of equal and opposite reaction. The bigger the bullet(s) and the faster they go, the more energy is being sent in the opposite direction. Semi-autos (like her FN) use and absorb some of this to push the slide and load the next round, others (shotgun, bolt-action) send it all to the shooter. Some rifles & shotguns have some cushioning in the butt (the part against your shoulder), the rest of the energy goes into your hands.
If your form is right (stiff arms, rifle tucked tight), that energy is transferred into your muscles and through most of your body. If it’s wrong (no muscle tone, loose grip), the gun jumps backwards and tries to hit you in the face, as readily seen on YouTube. Like your brother’s black eye, I learned from my first shotgun experience that being left-eye dominant meant I should not be shooting right-handed with my face down against the stock.
Important things first… That pun is so terrible it deserves 5 “boo”s.
And now, the need to cuddle your rifle/shotgun. Very Firmly. Into your shoulder. As some of us didn’t, in spite of being told. They leave really good bruises. (My dad had already shown me :P )
If your grandfather lets you fire his old Garand into a five gallon bucket of water at age eight, your sholfer will feel like it just fell off even if you do it perfectly.
The bucket shreds spectacularly through.
An acquaintance, sometime last century, had a .375 for ‘roo and pig hunting, along with a 44-gallon drum he didn’t realise he no longer needed. Showing the gun off, he filled the drum with water, to the very top, screwed the bung in, walked back the 100 yards and squeezed the trigger… We found the drum top 300 yards away, and the rest had split open like a lettuce leaf. I developed a very healthy respect for high velocity bullets that day.
You’re right, regardless of which stance you use (there’s 3), the arm holding the pistol is always straight.
Otherwise you get a result like your brother did or worse. Known someone to break his own nose when firing a pistol incorrectly.
This link will show the three stances: https://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/training/articles/the-3-shooting-stances-which-ones-right-for-you-LA3iowVFZFC9hE24/
There are more stances then those. Those just show stances for if you must stand, and even at that if you have both hands.
In the Marine Corps I went through thousands of rounds practicing shooting one handed, both with my dominant hand and off handed.
NH, is a free state, guns are rather common, here.
Heh, immediately had that song in my head. Have it set as a ringtone on my smartphone.
You have great taste.
OOPs, penitrate, not perceive.
“Israel’s Sayeret Matkal is another of the world’s most elite units.” at entebbe, they went in and rescued hostages, no terrorist came out alive, and the hostages had not even a scratch.
It was an amazing operation, and deserves praise.
However, three hostages were shot, two by the Israeli forces. A fourth was murdered afterwards in revenge by the Ugandans.
The operation would not have succeeded without the help given by the Kenyan government. In revenge, 300 Kenyans were murdered by the Ugandan government of Idi Amin afterwards. There was also a revenge bombing in Nairobi, committed by the Ugandans. This killed a large number of people.
You may think it is irrelevant to the success of the operation, but the Kenyans and their families might not agree.
Be… cause what happened afterwards had nothing, directly, to do with the operation
if it’s a Five-seveN it could be 20 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. They even have a 30 round box mag available.
This should be fun. Knowing where the gun is aimed is not the same thing as being able to aim the gun…
You are correct, it does help you though, specially when starting out
If that red circle is the expected hit area, this is not going to be a new range record.
Some of you miss a point about armor piercing ammo…what happens when you MISS? And yes it happens In comic books too. Oh look! You missed and the round went straight through that wall and killed the little girl hiding in that area behind…it happens. Which is why you don’t always want the best nastiest round. Sometimes, basic 9mm is more then adequate. And god help you if you are on a flimsy space station with ANY sort of firearm and miss…
Unfortunately, faeces do escape no matter how we work to prevent that. The sad fact is, the escape always happens in full daylight, in a crowded environment (think: lift), and there is never any chance of pretending it was someone else. Alas, that’s life.
We cannot live by studiously avoiding anything that could go wrong. Robbie Burns put it neatly, in 1785:
“But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o’ mice an ‘men
Gang aft agley,
An’lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!
Still thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me
The present only toucheth thee:
But, Och! I backward cast my e’e.
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!”
I guess youse need to have a law in the USA that we have in Oz, where flak-jackets are classed as military weapons, unavailable to the general populace. I can imagine how that would go down. We just have to live with escaped faeces, occasionally.
As someone who’s fired weapons, I can say, I’ve never had ammunition fly into my eye. I understand the whole, “May as well use caution” and I’m sure some of it came about because, “Well, it happens .01% of the time.” like the warning labels, so she’d likely be fine without the safety glasses.
I’ve heard about the “hot brass dance,” especially in the context of why ladies shouldn’t wear scoop-neck shirts at the range, but not seen it. I’ve only caught brass twice, once on my trigger finger knuckle after it bounced off the divider between stands, as shown, and once against my left cheek from the guy next to me when someone got a little hasty and started the ambush kind of early, so some of us had to move forwards and swing around each other to get a line of fire. Advantage of bullpups: you can put down suppressing fire with one gloved hand covering your cheek to deflect the hot brass from the next guy over.
If you look up “Gun Jesus with a Chiappa Holy Trinity! (Halloween Shotgun Match)” you can see someone eject a shotgun casing onto his own hat.
Wanted to comment on the new invotive, yet… there is only a few hours before the new page so will leave it until then, then :)
What? You slackards haven’t noticed it has changed? Do you only vote once a month? o_O
Two points, if Sydney doesn’t want to get hit in the face by hot brass she needs to lock her wrists to keep the recoil from snapping the pistol back far enough to throw the brass at her rather than to her right, two pretty sure lenses made from “space glass” are way more impact resistant than polyurethane used to make current eye wear, which is also impact resistant
I would have said cue “Man With The Machine Gun” from FF8, which does double duty because it calls back to the theme from S.W.A.T. https://youtu.be/11txxRHta_k
Curious – why didn’t the glasses kick in earlier? https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-753-a-civilized-abeyance/
Hah, yeah, honestly I messed that up a little. When I did this page, I was thinking she had the upgraded glasses, and then when I wrote the page where the glasses are revealed I guess I forgot I about this scene. :/