Grrl Power #798 – Object oriented armageddon
Okay so I tried to make Krona look excited about the things she could learn from Sydney’s orbs, but uh… I think in panel 3 and 4 she looks, well, psychotic. She’s just excited about the possibilities. She loves learning. Nothing nefarious, promise!
Sydney accidentally looks super cute in the first panel there, though definitely not 22. Er, 23 now, I guess. Well, okay, still technically 22 even though her birthday has elapsed, as she didn’t exist during that span of time. Not that Sydney has ever looked 22.
When the group rolled up to the club, the bouncer probably took one look at “Agnes,” Krona and Pixel, and was like, “You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m being pranked, right?” Actually, come to think of it, since Ellie, Kat, and Crimson are in the group, they probably used the same staff entrance that Decollete and Tamatha use.
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What happened to Kronachrome’s goggles? She had them when she entered
She also had a jacket when she entered. The googles are propably with it.
I would the jacket is probably in the googles, which are *elsewhere*.
The Jacket and goggles are probably in the pocket of Krona’s jeans.
Krona can likely make hammerspace and she can certainly make her clothing into little keychain charms.
Or, ya’ know, on the seat next to them, like normal humans do. :-P
Why play by the rules when you can cheat?
cuz cheating gets boring, like how sometimes it’s fun to play GTA games and obey the traffic laws
Tamatha has them with her.
*thinks*
DAMN YOU SCIONA IT’S YOUR FAULT ISN’T IT?
It is clearly faux-Spinnerette’s fault.
Is Hammerspace related to Hammertime? (Like regular space-time.)
“Help me Halo Wan Kenobi, you are my first choice.”
Your pun is bad and you should feel bad..
Which is the highest compliment I am prepared to give.
I can suggest two options for starting the search.
1) Check the security camera footage (if any) in the club and at the exits to see if anything out of the ordinary, well, more out the ordinary, happened.
2) They have supers and non-humans to call on for help. There should be someone they know who could track Tamatha by her scent on the phone. (adamantium claws sold separately)
Which brings up the question of Veil vs. Camera. We have been told that the Veil makes certain non-humans appear as human on photos or video to other humans, but would another veiled person see the real person in the image?
The Veil tries to keep modifications as small as possible.
indeed back when Olivia met Pixel, we can asume that the Veil just took pixels non-were appeareance.
So it is still possible to identify people.
And if you know someone, you propably know their “Veil Self” too.
LASER claws, actually.
You are using far too little imagination when it comes to The Veil.
They’ve already made it clear that the Veil is used like a ‘magical Internet’. I’m pretty sure it could be used to TRACK Tamatha, with the right spells, or, if, say, there was a reality hacker somewhere nearby…
Krona would be the ultimate resource for a missing persons situation, assuming she could find their reference pointer in the file of reality.
“Oh Tamatha’s missing? Would you prefer I just hack her position to be right next to us, or should we drop a loaded Archon assault team in a circle around her current location?”
“Or if you want to find out who’s behind it, I can just make her invulnerable for the next 24 hours, project a message on her retina that she’s safe and we’re watching, and track the criminals back to their lair.”
A bait and switch operation like she pulled with Sydney at the warehouse would be useful for all kinds of things.
Or she could hit the pause button on all the captors’ bladders, so when it wears off they all have to sprint for a bathroom.
Thank you for linking “Off to be the Wizard” – I read the free sample chapters and I’m hooked.
Now I need to find someone I can talk into buying me a copy.
Glad you’re enjoying it! The Wizard series is really fun, the author‘s long-running webcomic is now in re-runs, and some of his other books (e.g. Master of Formalities) are quite good as well.
Yeah, but hasn’t she suggested several times that her powers are pretty localized? Like, she can’t modify the gravitational constant for the universe, but she could flip a room upside down on a lark? Locating Tamantha would be great if she’s still within whatever that localized radius is. If Krona’s power are not, DaveB essentially has a deus ex machina for any scenario possibly ever. Gotta find that supervillain? *pop* She cut-and-pastes them into a nearby prison cell. Gotta fix climate change? *pop* Global temperature settings turned down two degrees, oceans are cleared of human spam, and atmospheric pollutants are sent to the recycle bin. Supervillain just Thanosnapped half the universe away? *pop* Undo button. Waaaaaay too much potential for her not just to become godlike, but God, period. XD
Hell, she may just be a latent supervillan and is only in check at the moment because of her limitations. As her understanding of them grows, she may go full evil spark and HACK TEH PLANUT lulz
#hackslashcrashoverridesgibson
That would so be cheating.
Pulling in all personnel they have Kat and Pixel with animal senses, Scarlett with Vampiric senses, Krona with whatever she wants, Sydney with fricking True Sight, Elspeth could pull thermal optic vision equipment out for herself, Varia, Decolette, the Harems, and anyone who I forgot.
Split up. Cue Scooby Do music.
Spider-Man’s webbing aside, I’m still craving fried cheese.
Me too, dang it.
AND mighty amused that “The Mighty Halo” seems to be defeated by fried cheese. Or, as we call them around here, cheese sticks.
I suspect that she is used to her food being physically hot as well as spicy hot.
She wants it to still be piping hot but you can’t control the cheese until it cools.
I have known people all my life who pour coffee down their throat as soon as the pot is made and it doesn’t burn them.
I wasn’t going to say anything because I don’t want to be rude, but the whole computer sketched art kind of sucks. I figured it was something you switched to because it’s easier but it detracts from your comic. Sorry, but I figured it was better to say something than not and I could be in the minority opinion. It wouldn’t be the first time.
They’ll get better at it over time
I agree, it just looks horrible like a bunch of livedolls made in the uncanny valley
I kinda noted it on past pages, but yea, the uncanny valley hammered me on this page. I originally thought it was only the eyes, because they’re not expressing any complex emotion. But after looking at this page for a while it’s moreso the stark lines in general. We’re not used to seeing clean outlines & major details without any minor details. Usually it’s just the outline and some shading in most CGI. Here, you can see their iris and sclera with alacrity but nary a detail exists within. Same with the eyebrows etc. It’s a matter of detail juxtaposition.
That said, the eyes’ reflective shine is an incorrect detail. They only ever have one light source reflected in their eyes despite being in a club with multicolored lights. Somehow that just strikes me as “wrong.” Sure, if they’re being ‘recorded’ for the comic, that’s fine, but we have no mention of that and I still don’t see the club lights. The shine isn’t diffuse enough, either. If you have extreme lighting in one part of the eye that tends to create a slightly illuminated halo around that area which fades to normal ambient levels further away from the source. Instead, their eyes seem to be lit in the front and dark in the back regardless of the location of the light that’s being reflected.
I think if you fix the eyes a lot of the uncanny valley would be gone. The rest would be a matter of art style and changing how the viewer perceives detail juxtapositions.
I feel like the eyes would be much improved just by either eliminating the eyeliner on the bottom lids or extending it all the way around the eyes. That huge gap between top and bottom liner just doesn’t work, especially because the bottom lids don’t curve much.
I’m on board with trying different art styles, though! I like watching the evolution of an artist.
Yes…the eyes…I was looking up at their eyes….
Meh.
I don’t see it as terribly extreme or annoying.
But then I remember the experimentation with all sorts of art styles in the sixties, seventies, and early eighties.
My main problem is with the cartoony expressions, particularly the mouths. They just don’t mesh with the smooth CG art.
Google “annabelle evil doll” for krona face reference…
NTOT – What happened to the mini-bio’s of the characters in the strip? It helps ID new or thinly used characters when they appear.
Tamatha might have been stolen away by the women she was “feeding from” looking for a threesome. Tama is a cutie pie after all.
Ignore first sentence of previous post. They just appeared. WTF?
They don’t show up on the front page but now that you’re on the comments page they do.
Yup, they only appear on the comments pages
Well done, department of redundancy department.
Considering people still don’t realise that, it’s hardly redundant, moron
And was confirming what Noname said
It’s funny: You call me a moron for pointing out your useless redundancy, but then you turn right around and admit that you were “confirming” something that someone else had stated with clarity and with no need for any confirmation from you. In other words, you just owned your department of redundancy department membership.
I mean, it would be funny if it didn’t brilliantly illustrate your idiocy.
Nope, still a moron, moron
Still redundant, useless.
You’re the kind of person who posted “Me, too!” on AOL forums in the early days of the internet: Incapable of forming an original idea, you think you’re contributing to the conversation by trying to associate yourself with someone else’s idea or statement.
Protip: You are not.
Insulting everyone (including the author) all the time doesn’t make you smart, just makes you a loud mouth prick
Agreeing with someone doesn’t mean you are incapable of forming an original idea (guess that’s why you resort to insults)
Yeah, 671 looks fine for me, but the last ones have just been looking creepy as hell to me, fully triggering the uncanny valley.. their faces just do not look right at all, been bothering me a fair bit
The uncanny valley is just in the fifth frame.
Just saying I do agree, this is the first page where it was so off looking that the change actually entered my conscious thoughts. I don’t know if it’s because we’re more zoomed in on their faces or what but those eyes are way too big and bulgy and it just… looks weird. Especially Krona in panel 3, that’s some serious uncanny valley.
I’m not super picky about art, heck I happily read a couple pixel webcomics so it’s whatever I guess, but there has been a definite shift to weirdness going on now that I look for it. Mostly just on Krona and Sydney though, ’cause they’re smaller so the proportions seem weirder, or maybe they’re just drawn differently to begin with.
I mean, if art is triggering the uncanny valley effect it’s because it’s a quite good approximation of reality in the first place. So kudos. I’m less weirded out by this page since Sydney has teeth now.
That’s exactly the opposite of what the uncanny valley indicates. If the author was good at rendering humans, we wouldn’t notice anything wrong.
If he was rendering them perfectly, you’re right that there would be no problem. Similarly if he was rendering them sufficiently ‘imperfectly’ that they were obviously not real. The problem comes when the rendering is ‘good’ enough to no longer be obviously not-real, but not quite ‘perfect’ enough to click into that different category in our brains. Where the boundaries of the ‘obviously a drawing’ and ‘looks real’ categories are, and how much of a gap there is between them, will differ for each person.
also, extremely detailed teeth in a context not suited for it are a great way to create discomfort in viewers. detail is not necessarily equal to quality. knowing when to omit detail, usually is.
Let’s play a game….
The silhouette is actually Cooter, using the shape-shifting powers of Wyrm to hunt monsters while Wyrm’s psychic presence sleeps or something.
It would be unexpected in a nice way if Cooter and Wyrm became a highly sucessfull and popular monsterhunter duo.
Now THATs an episode of The Odd Couple that i would watch.
Ill play the game.
As a result of a super-secret, patreon-only, web-comic, cross-over event …
One of the dark/brooding iron-age anti-hero versions of Spinnerette got on the wrong side of some dimensional superscience and is continuing the monster fight.
Tragic backstory:
Maybe her parents went from loving family straight out of the Disney channel to the worst of divorces
(its called the dark age of comics for a reason, kids. Gen X had issues, alright? Most of us got better.)
when she was at an age when its really traumatic for the kid.
The fighting gets so bad that they could stop arguing long enough to prevent a lethal car crash. Her parents die in front of her saying the worst things to each other.
All over one night with a succubus, who was seen by her parents right before the accident. (its what started the fight) her mothers last words? … that f***ing ho .. over … there . B***H i SEE your horns you >insert the worst slur here< … *
Thus she becomes a one woman thot patrol pledged to protec all that is wholesome + good by any means necessary. And when i say any means it usually winds up being Assault Battery Mayhem Manslaughter Murder unlicensed explosive use within a metropolitan area Kidnapping, inciting a riot, jaywalking /unlawfull protest/resisting arrest committing said crimes while being armed, colored, or a metahuhuman freak.
(that makes it worse. Somehow. Dont ask me, ask the decades of tough on crime legislature.)
Didn’t Sydney demonstrate she can open upgrade mode here?
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-671-level-duhp/
Only if she has an upgrade available, as I understand it. Currently, all points are spent.
She only did it once, when not in combat, and discovered she had 2 pips to fill (iirc)…which means that the orbs might’ve opened entirely on their own volition when she had a moment of respite from battle.
Personally, I’d be testing the orbs in a spare moment to see if they could go all spinny-spinny map-mode, and I’d have done it on Cora’s ship…but come to think of it, the only time she’s not with others was mostly in the bedroom (asleep) or bathroom (contemplating her life’s most recent gastrointestinal dietary choices). The bathroom might not have been big enough for the full map even if she hadn’t been in dietary distress.
Admittedly she IS distractable, and was distracted by getting home, finding out everything’s different, and then some. Lots for her to focus upon, so it’s plausible she just didn’t think.
Krona, on the other hand, this is like the Bible of what she does, and she hungers to see the source material in a moment when she’s NOT in fear for her life. In a nice, long, peaceful session of worshipful contemplation. So even if she had ADHD as bad as Sydney (no indication she does), she’d still be focusing on wanting to see it, because it means MORE to her than it does to Sydney.
That fourth panel is indeed a lil creepy with fierce enthusiasm, but she hangs out with monsters all day, so…she’s used to people looking extra fierce, and just got used to doing the same, maybe…?
An aside, I’m guessing that third point on the center (in your linked comic) is an enabler for how many orbs can be used at once. She just started only having access to two, and hasn’t thought to try three since spending the point there.
DaveB said early on that the true reason for only being able to use two is to keep Sydney from becoming too overpowered. Thus they only work when held in the palm of her hand.
Daves got his work cut out for him then.Sydneys a completely invincible buffoon who can only be physically threatened by dragon ball Z level threats(And probably soon to up graded to Dragonball Super level threats).
You are forgetting… paper cuts and mittens
And guys with abs.
And being riddled with bullets.
Also, much like a vampire, she dies if somebody rams a stake through her heart.
Unlike with ^vampires^, however, said stake does NOT
^have^ to be a specific kind of material
Can I just say somebody eho just wants to learn avouy something that could destroy the world acares me more then someone with nefarious purpose? Like the nefarious person presumably wants something so world destruction is just the threat since normally destroying the world doesnt get them anything compared with keeping the world around. A scientist might just do it on accident to satisfy their curiosity
Regarding the final panel: seems legit. So does Sydney need to lose the disguise or should they call the regular cops?
Yeah Corona really is looking little extra creepy and the way she’s talking about it seems like it would be dangerous to me. Also I love how Sydney’s goes Foul Play is the only option though it does remind me of the whole teenage slogan you can have my cell phone when you cry it for my cold unconscious ground fingers
All who are opposed to letting crazy-eyes Krona get anywhere near those orbs ever again, say “Aye”!
Ah but I am for it.
If you only knew the power of the Lilliput side.
Dəar Santa
pLeaSə d0nT L3t Me GƏT Ä wAlLpāPer f0R XmaS agaIn tH!S ¥əAr.
I W@nT a Nəw CašT pAgə.
b¡Lly.
pS. Ibəen GuD.
Hail Santa! Jolly Fellow.
Hail Santa. Ho ho ho ho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5pTSX8p-6c
Bigger pupils. That’s something that EVERYONE seems to forget when rendering out cartoon characters. Light levels, as well as excitement, change pupil size.
In a Nightclub, pupils should be bigger due to lower overall light levels. ALSO, if Krona is as excited as she’s acting, she should also have larger pupils- they get bigger when we think about or look at things that we desire/want/like. So Krona’s irises should be practically gone under her pupils in a nightclub while she’s excited.
With smaller pupils like she has, it looks like she’s acting excited without actually being excited; hence the psychopathy.
Decolette’s club has the floors with the lighted squares, so it may have strobes up on the rafters as well. In that case small pupils would make sense
Wonder if it’s got the ‘Untz’?
Yes, she looks psychotic. Maybe not “I can destroy the universe!” psychotic, but “I could learn so much, do anything…” psychotic where she is so blinded by the potential that she THEN destroys the universe because she doesn’t bother to consider the consequences of her actions.
The trouble with the High Int low Wisdom wizards of the multiverse. Infinite cosmic power! Itty bitty critical thinking ability
But the author already explained that that was not the intent in those notes most people don’t read beneath the comic.
Why read the author blurb when they barely read comments from other readers?
Intent is irrelevant to results.
They Did check that the two she was feeding off of didn’t want someone to watch right?
Krona is one shot of morphine away from ending All life. Sciona’s new form just got Omega-level lethal.
Tammy wasn’t ‘watching’, she was waiting outside the door, like a normal hyu-mon waiting to use the restroom while it was occupied
Okay, I’m just going to say it. Krona is totes connected to the orbs. Either she’s an amnesiac Nth or a lost Nth child of the original owner of the orbs. The Nth magical space wizard powers are exactly the sort of things Krona can do. The orbs are compiled ( monolithic executables ) created via the same techniques .
Haha. The GNUniverse toolset. Just to be clear, the Nth being superior space wizards favor vi/vim over all other inferior universe editing software. The real question is whether they would use Python or Powershell for their universe scripting needs.
Just kidding. Totally Python. Although about half of them would have to use Powershell at work. The Nth with the longest beards use Perl.
Obligatory XKCD. With apologies. But yes, it should’ve been Python.
Um… I mentioned this theory over a year ago when Krona was first introduced, and again when she was able to see the ‘deepness’ of the orbs during the super-mannekiller fight :)
I think that Crona has typical geek syndrome. Other side affects include (but not limited to) the hoarding and overprotectiveness of dice, the overconsumption of knowledge and a high chance of being the first to know about new tech.
Hmm. Change Gravity in a small area and then her telekinetic limits will be enough to move herself.
I do believe that Krona’s plan is to be able to fly.
It’s a reasonable goal.
Yup. A moving discontinuity in the gravity field. Not bad at all. At least we will have definitive confirmation of the presence of gravitational waves…
Jesus, the absolute insanity that changing the fundamental laws of reality on a universal scale would create is enough to make the goddam Elder Gods question what the fuck you’re on.
That said, I’m guessing Krona has some secret terrible thing she wants to undo, either a mistake she caused in her past or just some misfortune she can’t stop but only postpone. Like maybe she’s been hitting the pause button on a tumor for years or something. At least, that’s the tone I’m getting from before she’s cut off.
In panel five she explains that she can only achieve a local effect.
But a local change that negated gravity would allow her to move any mass she could overcome the inertia of.
The thing with tumour’s? They can be treated, either with medicine or surgery
Many can, especially if you catch them early enough, but some are too awkwardly placed and/or too advanced by the time they’re discovered for that to be feasible. Given the range and breadth of commenters on here, there are almost certainly some with more experience of the sharp end of such things than I, so I’ll leave it to them to elaborate if they want to.
To back up Guesticus Yeah Kronas an asset in a group with access to technology hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world.Im pretty sure tumour removal would be so quick and painless it would be harder to get a good haircut.
Spider cheese, spider cheese, does whatever a spider does…
cheeser-man, cheeser-man, does whatever the chesse ‘ er, can. stretches thin, snaps back, too, watch out crime, he’s gumming for you, look out…here comes the cheeser-man
Art always evolves as time goes on and the artist gains experience and experiments to improve their skill set, but from one artist to another, Dave, I’m not sure rendering anime style eyes with 3D orbs is the way to go. It works fine with characters whose eyes are more realistic like Decollette, Varia, or Maxima, but Syndey and Krona look like aliens. Strong uncanny valley vibes. Maybe tone down the actual reflectiveness while keeping the marks of reflection.
wait isnt she 24? I thought she told the general she was 24 when they first met…
Putting my “Calling it” now. They find her in the hands of a group of sweaty Otaku’s who are basically getting her to dress up in cosplay and taking photos of her…. ^.^ I mean – I Hope that’s what’s happening as opposed to other things that could happen.
Now that I think about it. That she missed her birthday is bad. That she missed the Avengers 3 Premiere is world wrecking.
Nah, that’s seven years in the future.
It’s 2011 in the Grrlverse.
I think you need to review some pictures of people in profile. The eye art you’ve been using does not work well with your current style of showing people in profile. In panel 5, Krona’s eye literally looks like it’s come out of its socket and is escaping.
Oh I’m glad I’m not the only one, this style has been SUPER distracting pretty much since Sydney got back to earth and has only gotten worse over time. So many uncanny valley shots.
Side note – Krona is excited about string theory. And not the strings of cheese… Or actually maybe she is excited about the strings of cheese….
Maybe she’s working on her string cheese theory.
I know, it is not meant this way. But Krona panel 4? Pretty much this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
About Eye size…
I recently found out that your eyes stay the same size from birth.. they do not grow… Imagine those eyes on a baby Sydney….
Remember the wizards third rule Krona.
The worst of consequences come from the best of intentions.
Ok, I can’t help imagining a halo version of the 1960’s batman “transition animation” with Halo back in her normal appearance wielding the orbs as the next two panels. :-)
Spider-Man’s webbing or Green Man semen.
X reference to another very fine illustrated adventure.
Sydney complains about being skinny-fat.
Sydney eats fried cheese.
Sydney is being gross. Stop being gross Sydney.
And chew with your fucking mouth shut.
In her defense, have you eaten fried cheese? It’s freaking delicious. Harem probably doesnt worry about getting fat even if she eats fried cheese. So unfair.
Still no defense for not chewing with your mouth shut though.
Granted, granted, agreed.
Here’s a metric for Superhero Unfairness.
The “Internet” says the Avenger Movie Scale of Uselessness goes approximately (and not including everyone), from less to more, Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow/Hawkeye.
Let’s throw in a West Coast Avenger: Tigra -a character who will understandably not be in a Disney movie any time soon.
Adding Tigra would be like adding another Black Widow who has no meaningful espionage training, cannot blend in with a crowd without a magical talisman, has no noticeable projectile expertise, who has claws that are nothing like Vibranium and that _definitely_ can’t shred hardened metal, and who eventually has a child to manage.
Tigra is like having Nebula without the resilience or implants -albeit with considerably more social grace, without space culture/battle experience and without ties to Gamora.
Tigra is at least very child safe. That counts.
Point is not to diss Tigra, hey she’s a low tier supehero but she’s still a hero, but that Halo has entirely more manageable problems then Tigra. Tigra probably has either a more forgiven metabolism or better eating discipline but poor Tigra would have probably died if she’d been on Halo’s space adventure. Judging from her Wikipedia entry and the roles she plays in the various Marvel alternative universes there’s a 50/50 chance she dies in any of them.
So Halo should take her damn meds, chew with her mouth shut, think about jogging more, think about fried cheese/ice cream less, and be generally grateful she’s not Tigra. Life, fictional or real, is not fair but at least Halo isn’t a “heart” heroine.
Thank you.
Excitement about anything that has ramifications that could threaten any number of lives looks psychotic. There’s just no getting around that
It seems that Krona has a devious look on her face regarding Sydney’s orbs…!
If I were Sydney,i’s be a little…concerned!!!
:rolleys:
That may be how you’d react if you were ^in Sydney’s place^ ~ but if you WERE Sydney, you’d do EXACTLY what SHE would do, because you’d BE Sydney!
What Krona’s suggesting reminds me of a short story I once read about a girl who was actually a Bozhman’s Brain, and the reality that was constructed basically had her as that reality’s God, without her REALIZING IT for the first 10 years of her life (although her ability to make anything happen and change all reality at will was evident when she was even 2, and it’s why she was always depressed and hesitant to ever use her powers (since she thought she was a bad person when actually it’s just that 2 year olds are ALL pretty much psychopaths) after making her parents forget that she was able to do that stuff (since they saw her as a monster as a result).
Anyway there was one time when she was doing a math test and she got a lot of the answers wrong…. so she tried to just make reality make the answers right, so that her test would be marked right.
Annnd the universe started self-destructing as a result so she quickly changed everything back so that she failed the math test instead and went back to never wanting to use her powers until she was like 14 (when she decided to just leave the universe after giving everyone on Earth true free will instead of it all being just an extension of her own will).
Good story actually. If not a little bit eerie.
Yeah but Krona doesn’t have the power to affect vast areas as readers assumed early on. And her telekinesis isn’t powerful enough to fly.
But if she can pull of neutralizing gravity close to her by making it do something else temporarily then she will finally be able to fly.
Plus….purple.
Be careful with the colour purple: you don’t want to piss of Cadbury’s (who owns the trademark to purple), or Oprah Winfrey (who made a movie about it)
Actually Cadbury lost that trademark application because of an appeal on a lawsuit by Nestle in 2013 I believe. Cadbury does not own the trademark to the color purple anymore – specifically the shade of purple called Panatone 2685C, because they tried to extend it beyond the original terms of the trademark which covered ONLY wrappers for chocolate in bar form (the original trademark in 1995 was valid but they got greedy by trying to change the original description of the trademark, making it too broad).
The original trademark was “The mark consists of the colour purple (Pantone 2685C) as shown on the form of the application, applied to the whole visible surface, or being the predominant colour applied to the whole visible surface, of the packaging of the goods.”
Cadbury pretty stupidly decided they also wanted to cover other types of chocolate (and cake apparently), wanted the color range broader, and Nestle fought it in court.
The court wound up ruling in Nestle’s favor, saying “Being the predominant colour applied to the whole visible surface of the packaging goods” which was too broad a usage, both in the shade of purple and the use of what purple would be used for. So that’s a lesson for you boys and girls out there. If you manage to get a crazy trademark approved, be careful about amending it because you can lose the whole thing with another court that isn’t having any of your nonsense. :)
That’s why Coca Cola hasnt tried amending their red hue trademark or what it covers. :) Even though Target uses the same exact hue of red, Coca Cola’s trademark is only for cola-flavored sodas :)
Umm, we still get Cadbury ads with that notice at the end about the trademark thingie
Never heard anything about Coke trademarking the colour red…
Oh wait, you are in the US, where it believes a Milky Way has a layer of caramel like a Moro bar
The trademark you’ve been noticing in ads is not for the color in regard to Cadbury. At least not anymore. Like I said, they lost that trademark on the shade of purple that they use. They still have a trademark on the design of the wrapper and the logo though. That’s what you’re seeing hte trademark thingie about.
Also, the copyright lawsuit in question where they lost the trademark on the color was also in the UK. :) It just took a couple more years in the UK since Cadbury tried to appeal there, and their appeal was dismissed by 2016.
https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/brand-management/significant-blow-cadbury-uk-court-appeal-decision-puts-purple-colour-trademark
https://www.novagraaf.com/en/insights/colour-purple-cadbury-drops-bid-enforce-trademark-uk
Also yes, Coke and Target each have a trademark on the same particular shade of red, although for different limited areas of usage. Just like Home Depot has a trademark on a particular shade of orange – again for a specific usage.
Nope, it specifically refers to the colour
And, not in the UK (hint, we use to have a Cadbury’s factory that produced the best Crème Eggs in the world, until the Brit’s found out and insisted we stopped because their version sucked, and now Cadbury’s is owned by some idiot company who shut down the factory entirely and moved production overseas)
Maybe that’s why two different companies are using the same advertising phrase: “Ah {insertcompanyhere}, you’ve done it again!”
I”m unfamiliar with any advertising in COMMERCIALS which specifically says ‘this trademark is for the color.’ in a way that the viewers will notice. Trademarks are usually signifified with a (TM), (R), or SM (service mark, which is similar to a trademark). So I’m not sure what you’ve seen which would be saying ‘this trademark is for the color you’re looking at, rather than for the design.’ Especially since it’s a confirmed fact that Cadbury did, in fact, lose their trademark over their hue of purple in 2013, then lost an appeal for it in 2016 and gave up trying to appeal any further, after they HAD a trademark on the color for almost 20 years.
Also I clearly have no idea which country you’re living in, but Cadbury lost the trademark on the color worldwide so unless you’re an alien they probably lost it there as well :).
But yeah, trademarks are usually limited and aren’t worldwide anyway unless you’re paying for and filing for a worldwide trademark. The more broad your trademark is in area of business (specific busines vs general usage), area of the world (state vs national vs international), etc, the more expensive it is to retain it, and also the less likely you’ll be ABLE to get one in the first place. Plus some parts of the world tend to just not respect trademarks and copyrights in the first place – if the government doesn’t care about enforcing trademarks, there’s going to tend to be alot of trademark and copyright infringement. :)
A few companies have pulled off maintaining a color trademark, but it’s pretty hard to establish enough weight to do so.
It’s the latest ad about giving the one you love chocolate for Christmas, with three people sneaking around leaving gifts of Cadbury’s for people (first one is a schoolgirl sneaking into the teachers’ lounge and leaving chocolate in cubby, then some guy on a conveyer belt finds a box of Roses {which they fucked up the packaging and flavour}, finally some kid hiding under someone’s bed), at the end of the ad they have the trademark notice (most people don’t bother reading, or even notice, the copyright and trademark details at the end, like where it says who owns Subway)
Forget the damn ad, holding a block of Dairy Milk Black Forest chocolate, and on the back it says “THE GLASS AND A HALF DEVICE AND THE COLOUR PURPLE ARE TRADE MARKS USED UNDER LICENCE”
Then again, so is “BLACK FOREST” and “DAIRY MILK”, which means that someone still owns the trade marks on all four
Contrary to popular belief changing something local even if a fundamental factor of reality won’t destroy the entire universe. There is a point of diminishing effect (a radius) like with anything; even a black hole doesn’t destroy the whole universe and they are beyond anything a human could do. Just trying to fathom the scale of super novas, hyper novas, galaxy collisions, ect…is beyond what a human can really imagine; hence so much sci-fi making up stuff that makes it all feel so small.
That said, messing with gravity, even at a local level is a bad idea. Well, in the way Krona is mentioning it here its a bad idea, changing what it does. Its one thing to diminish its effect on a person, or increase it, its another to change its very nature.
Now if we look at it from theoretical physics, technically gravity isn’t a fundamental force of the universe; hence being the big pain in the butt when trying to create a unified field theory as unlike the other three it doesn’t seem related to them. The theory here is because gravity is actually a reaction, the reaction between mass and masslessness.
Gravity however also sets off a secondary reaction as it (for lack of a better term) creates reverberations in the many dimensional layers of space, producing TIME.
Each particle produces an equivalent amount of time, a “bubble” of time around that particle. These bubbles link up, add up, forming bubble chains, localized super bubbles based on concentrations of mass (density), with the greater bubbles influencing the lesser bubbles, although localized shifts can occur. It is not inaccurate to describe time as resembling a fluid. Even in the ocean you can have currents, underwater rivers, areas of greater density, PH differences, ect… time likewise can have slightly altering densities, be influenced by shifts in density, especially moving over distances quickly straining the density relations causing time to become denser in those areas (what is perceived of as slowing down time).
Now change what gravity does in a small area, like say a five feet by five feet sphere, this sphere will be held in place by the mass and time around it, like a containment (or a soap bubble as the altered nature would form a multidimensional membrane isolating it from the rest of the natural universe), anyway, doing this and that sphere could have a chrono-collapse within it, fractal time mirroring, or any number of temporal hiccups.
-basically at the least you end up with a reality bridge-mirror and you see yourself entering and exiting at the same time as the affect cascades to alternate “time lines” doing the same thing. See yourself in a future action. Or perceptive shifts, like increased time density inside the zone. Like you walk through it and come out the other side, you think you only took five steps, but to everyone else you’ve been gone for three hours.
best case you create a portal to another reality as you caused the time and space to collapse in that point and reality fixed the glitch automatically by adjusting a null zone to a bridge to a working zone (a space/time bypass while the damaged area is being repaired by reality over-writes) to prevent further damage.
worst case, you create a dead zone where any matter that enters the area is torn apart at the atomic level as the binding elements of mass are non-existent and spreads to anything within the bubble. If your reality is well constructed this sphere will shrink over time as the universe repairs its self.
For the body to work entropy is a required element of the universe, entropy cannot exist without time, time requires gravity to bend space as a multidimensional attractive force. If gravity doesn’t do that, time does not exist, and without entropic decay atoms can’t function in a way conducive for how tissue and mass in general operate. Unless you are a hyper dimensional being or can exist outside of the space/time of the universe being examined/worked on, its best not to fiddle with the foundations of your functional reality.
I wish to point out that – if all she did was make gravity “purple” then that would simply allow us to SEE gravity. Which would be cool. Scary but cool. If she could do it at a massive level it would allow us to study and prove that gravity is everywhere as you would be able to see the shades of purple. Something that – other than M2M has not been henceforth done without getting extremely high. Even if she did swap out the gravity for purple – if you could go out to a remote part of the galaxy, turn a solar systems worth of gravity purple and watch what happens with 2,000,000 slow mo cameras – it would be the best video ever.
well yes if you gave it a coloration, I was going by what they said, make it purple instead of “attracty”. The instead part is important. Making additions or making something else that reacts to it to produce a visible light matching it, would have fewer effects. Of course the old adage, you can’t just change or add to part of a code without causing other, sometimes unforeseen side effects. Off the top of my head is a localized breakdown caused by a domino effect.
Gravity produces something purple that the human eye can see, however to see something it must have mass *the purple coloration at minimum is photons*, but this increases the gravity as it has mass so for every “unit” of gravity an amount of purple light is produced, which produces more gravity, which produces more purple. The stopping point, the break down being the amount of gravity exceeds the escape velocity of the light so the purple produced is internalized forming a feed back loop. Although this is easily avoided by making the purple light effect cease after a few seconds, just long enough to take a “snapshot” of the gravitational waves.
There are likely ways to avoid this, such as a color translating reactive radio wave produced by the gravity then picked up and translated as a color by the human brain and/or equipment; among others. Figure out the worst case scenarios then avoid them, never want to go out like a joke (they tried to weigh the higgs bosom particle and ended up crushing their planet to the size of a pea) scenario.
The worst gibberish, I have ever heard.
thank you that was very constructive criticism *eyeroll*, maybe I should have said reverse the neutron flow LoL.
Want the specific thing you just replied to make sense? Its an infinite loop macro.
Measure gravity by making it add something that will only increase the gravity which will make more of that something which makes more gravity, ect…keep going till system crash.