Grrl Power #793 – Décolletage deflectors
While Sydney sometimes wishes she had a larger chest, she’s not the kind of girl that’s ever gone shopping for a guy by putting the twins on display. In fact, with the exception of a few cosplay outfits, she has almost no V-neck shirts. The vast majority of her wardrobe is T-shirts. She has a button down shirt… excuse me, blouse, somewhere in the back of her closet for the rare occasions where she needs one. But as a self employed technically-an-adult, she gets to wear basically whatever she wants. Prior boyfriends were acquired mostly though mutual interests in geek stuff, at cons, via game nights around some tabletop game.
Of course, now that she’s in Archon, she has a few more button down shirts, but it’s not like she’s going to traipse around in her dress uniform shirt with the top 5 buttons undone. Harem definitely would, as long as no one who outranks her is looking.
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There’s finally a new vote incentive! I was trying to redo this old pinup of Max. The new one is higher detail, and a bit better anatomically, but it’s still lacking something. Well, saturation for one thing. I hope to do a little work on it yet, but we’ll see.
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Sydney’s on the A-Team. She’s not gonna get into the Cleavage Superpower for a while.
Yet…..
Nothing wrong with being on the A-team. In fact many of us apreciate them like they are.
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Give Sydney credit, she’s still pulling that one guy’s eyes away from the Hypno-Boobs.
Is she really? Or does she just normally dress so that she looks like she is? Stealth is a thing. It has it’s limits, but I’ve definitely seen women who wore C or D cup bras dress such that they looked about as flat-chested as me (I’m a skinny male). I’ve also seen someone wearing a 32G bra dress stealth enough that people guessed she was possibly a C cup but more likely a B.
Pro tip: no woman is a cup. They might wear bras that have cups with various letters designating their size, but they aren’t synonymous with that bra or its cups.
From what I have determined, and research proves this out, is that cup size isn’t cup size.
A C is not always a C but it could be an A or a D. Confusing eh?
Well for the uninitiated the cup size is relative to the chest band size and, wait for this, it is also manufacturer dependent. Why? Because the fashion industry are up to no good, never were and they put just enough money in re-election coffers to keep those consumer protection regulations away.
Standardized sizing on women’s clothing? Pshaw.
Women want small numbers and don’t want to be reminded how hefty they have become.
There is no such thing as “Big Boned” except with certain rare medical conditions.
Oh and in Europe where there is regulated sizing they use metric and a cm is a cm is a cm.
You’ve got it exactly right. Clothing brands have learned that marking the cup size larger and marking the waist and hip size lower is great for their business. Never mind that it creates chaos amongst their customers.
Government regulation is needed.
Government regulations by their very nature would make some decision like there wasn’t enough cubism in clothing. Wire support bras would be designed at a cost of tens of billions and then mandated to implement cubism. Courses would be written up for the curriculums of eleven to fourteen years olds teaching the virtue and advantages of the cubist appearance.
Because Government cares.
It could be just as simple as requiring accurate weights and measures. You know, just like is done in the US with food, gasoline, and a pile of other stuff already.
Even for the same brand of bra a 34 C cup is the same size as a 36 B cup and so on. Also, there are at least 4 ways to measure bra size and only one of them includes an explicit measurement of the cup size. The other 3 methods require the woman to guess the size of the cup. Then there are padding, pasties and push up bras.
Darn right!
I have a lot of female friends who buy “male” clothing, simply because the size is “true”.
Maybe with all the “gender equality” and new “genders” – someone will file a lawsuit forcing “gender neutral” clothing and sizing. LOL
That would not help in any way.
They are buying clothing made for the male sex. The biological body shape.
That is what causes the size to be true.
The reverse does happen it’s just rare to have a biological male for whom biological female clothing is a better fit.
Rare doesn’t equate to nonexistent though.
At any rate you can’t make any one size fits all scheme unless part of your plan is to make all sizes fit poorly.
You could do all the fucking dress sizes in about 10 sizes, if you were willing to have them be “oddball” (you are Normal, you are Short, you are Fat, your torso is long).
Women ain’t that different, one from the next.
Cup sizes are (allegedly) determined by the difference in torso measurement around the breasts and just under the breasts (band size). The difference determines cup size; A, B, and C correspond to 1 inch, 2 inch, and 3 inch difference, and so on. While the band size scales up, the cup size does not, resulting in a 28B looking larger than a 32C, since the breasts cover a larger area on the chest and do not stick out as much. To make matters worse, most women wear the wrong bra size, usually too large a band size and soo small a cup size, such as wearing a 34B instead of a 30D, which is obviously going to get everyone very confused about cup sizes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra_size
Of course, after a certain point, breasts are just freakishly large, and everyone is going to stare at them, regardless of their preference.
Annonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness was closer to right. In the cup size range A through D, things are largely consistent, and work to a large extent like you describe. But DD (sometimes E, but not very often), DDD (or is this E? Or F?), E (EE? F? FF? G? H?), and beyond, there’s a lot more chaos. Once you break into what is commonly the G size range, full chaos ensues.
The woman I referenced had, at the time when I’d overheard someone dismissing her as ‘maybe a C, but probably a B’, been my wife, so I knew that she also had, at that time, bras ranging in reported sizes of 32H to 34 DDDD which all fit her properly. The vast majority of the bras she’d tried on had reported cup sizes in the FF to H range, the DDDD was an outlier. That said, if I recall correctly, a Lane Bryant 30D was too big for her, because Lane Bryant caters to women who want both the band size and cup size to be smaller.
But it’s worse than what it’s sounded like so far, because depending on her weight gain and loss, she had to change manufacturers to get one that fit, because at that size, the difference in neighboring sizes from one manufacturer’ is too significant for it to be comfortable. This was not as bad for her as some women, as her breasts were a pretty common shape, just larger than normal. For women who have oddly shaped breasts, there may be just one bra manufacturer that ever has products that fit, and for them that size gap means sometimes they just can’t get a bra the right size.
Short and stocky is a thing, buddy. Frame size doesn’t care about height.
I’m 5’5″ and my shoulder span is 17.5″. Medium length, but XL width (even hats). I have to wear a 2XL labcoat so I can actually extend my arms steaight in front of mew/o ripping out the shoulders. BTW, I’m only between 10 to 15lbs overweight.
Hell, my shoes are men’s 10 1/2 6E thanks to my feet being wide all the way back to the ankle (it’d otherwise be 10 4E, still wider than a standard men’s 14).
Not to mention that the BMI is as old and outdated as phrenology.
It’s still racist and classist to boot. It (still) doesn’t account for ethnicity, race or nationalty, and the ranges were determined by pencil-necked rich white Europeans in tbe 1800s.
BMI will catch male anorexia.
But it won’t tell you whether that high-BMI patient is a top-league rugby player or a bottom-league couch potato.
You wouldn’t think Tamatha would look so averse at the attention. Unless she really is still that young.
Well she has had a non-standard upbringing for a succubus. Cultural influence and all that. Even the most laid-back hippiest of hippies can’t compare to the free love attitude of succubus culture.
She really is that young. She’s fourteen.
Which, and despite the age of consent point set in many modern countries, is an age at which a girl or a boy enters puberty and has a sudden, often intense, interest in the other sex.
At fourteen she is almost certainly a ‘woman’ in the sense of her menarche having arrived.
I still maintain, as do many (the better ones, imo) nations/states/regions, that sex with an adult male is an abuse due to his greater knowledge, sophistication, and relative social power over the young woman, but sex between adolescents of a similar age should not be judged the same as the same issues may or do not apply.
Age of consent laws are not related to physical development.
Pedophilia laws address physical development.
Pedophilia is sex before the onset of puberty.
Statutory rape/ age of consent laws relate to emotional maturity, awareness of consequences, financial independence, and decision making ability.
Someone who cannot support themselves (and possibly a child) is limited in their option to say no.
So to be able to legally give consent one has to be able to legally work. To give informed consent requirethe maturity to understand the consequences of sex from parenting responsibilities, to venereal diseases, to emotional connections which may be onesided.
Beyond physical maturity for the body to be undamaged by sex, a young woman or man has to be mentally developed enough to have the will power to say no if orgasms feel good but something else is wrong in the relationship.
There are a lot of legitimate factors in age of consent laws.
Picking an age addresses things in an imperfect manner, but its a compromise between doing nothing at all (which would be worse than not trying) and having some supposed expert evaluate every individual to give each one permission for sex like getting a driver’s license (which would be worse still.)
Hormones don’t know about consent laws. They just show up when they damn well want to.
It seems we apply those factors very inconsistently.
Taking the “financial independence” aspect for example (which is the only one that might apply to a young succubus), we don’t rule that a child heiress can consent to sex, while we still say the elderly (who cannot work and may not be financially independent) and the homeless can have sex.
The exact reasons for the surge in prudishness since the late 80s and the ensuing pedo-panic (people used to openly talk about free love applying to children) still elude me…
As was mentioned, the methodology is imperfect.
The alternatives to selecting an age which works most of the time are to do nothing which is worse or to have some sort of bureaucrat who is supposed to be an expert evaluate everyone to see if they are mature enough and that seems worse still.
So we have an age varying by State, some States have an exemption is the older person and younger person are within a given age difference, and many States have an exemption if 1. The two marry to provide for any children 2. the younger person’s guardian agrees and 3. A presiding judge agrees.
But to be honest the vast majority of people who I know who were voluntarily sexually active before the age of consent preferred their peers, not some decrepit old person who already graduated high school and everything. Age of consent laws generally don’t apply to two people the same age.
In the US these laws are all about drawing lines around age, and so, yes, they are specifically related to that line and have noting to do with physical development. Which is imo a good thing, as I have seen references to court cases where the raped young girl was defamed as ‘wanting it’ just because she had developed boobs earlier than normal.
There is no possible way that any line drawn will be perfect. Let’s just state that and move on. But let’s also agree that a line needs to be drawn in order to protect children from being targeted by sexual predators.
No, as i explained, going by strictly age is a compromise and with a judge and parenteral permission an exemption can be made if a couple marries.
Age becomes the measureing unit, but the purpose and reasoning behind the law is exactly as i described.
Now describing young girls as wanting it was related to obsolete psychological theories of the past, and in that same period the theory was that adults having sex with young boys was so rare as to be practically nonexistent. Police typically did not investigate the rape of boys unless the child died and psychological treatment was focused on curing the child of the delusion that anything happened at all.
Both of those theories held sway in general society, in law enforcement, in the courts, and in the psychological professions until massive child pornography busts by interpol of offshore computer bulletin boards boards were shown to select journalists in the mid eighties began to make holding on to those notions untenable.
You see, blanket statements like this is exactly why I drew a distinction between an adult having sex with a child and two children having sex with each other.
When a 14 year old girl and a 14 year old boy have sex with each other, neither is a pedophile.
Feel free to argue with medical dictionaries all you want. The conversation was in the context of one of the two people being an adult and it was already mentioned that sex between peers is generally not prosecuted by the law in any event. Do try to keep up.
If you don’t know a damned thing about a topic refrain from criticizing, Oberon.
I knew far more about pedophilia, slavery, and prostitution before I was five years old than you know now if your posts are any indication of your level of knowledge.
I didn’t get a choice.
I’m not arguing with medical dictionaries. I’m arguing with you.
If you want to be taken seriously, you’ll need to be capable of showing that you have the correct context. You cannot assume that in a brief post, and hinting that you have secret knowledge because of some unspecified familiarity with this or any other subject isn’t going to get you very far.
Spell it out. If you were a child prostitute at 5 years of age you don’t need to hint at it. How do you expect me or anyone else to react to your hints and innuendoes? No one can give you the credit for being abused that you appear to want if you don’t make it clear what you are asking for. No hints, no suggestions, no claims of secret knowledge can be credited if you fail to make yourself clear.
You have a choice.
Look at what she’s wearing. Are those the clothes of someone in the mood for that kind of attention?
Or maybe she is upset that her mother is stealing all of the attention. Again.
…Mother?
Decolette is Tamatha’s mentor/teacher, not her mother.
Holy crap, this must be the first time I get here and there are no comments.
I seem to have developed a sixth sense for knowing when there’s a new comic.
More likely, this talks of DaveB’s extreme adherence to schedule.
Try again, you missed it by }this{ much (hopefully this works)
Am I the only one who thinks the character design is becoming less and less consistent?
Sydney’s profile from panel 1 keeps getting reused, and I think we first saw it on Kora. But whatever gets the comic done on time, I guess.
It’s never been consistent and the artist has always admitted that.
Just enjoy the story.
Name me one webic that has been consistently consistent with it’s character designs (and one that doesn’t use real images, like photo’s or figurines, even stick figurine webics are not consistent)
Major reason is because the artist is growing as an artist (or the opposite, usually improving though), specially if it’s been going for a few years (or longer, like with Grrl Power)
Doctor McNinja, no longer in production.
Have heard of that, never got around to reading it, guess you win
Great comic, once you accept that it’s going to be ridiculous and just enjoy the ride.
Have only heard good things about it, butt simply haven’t had the time to check it out
That may be true, but – as you mentioned – slow changes in drawing style over a relatively long period of time are usually expected: especially if artist is learning from experience, and is now on the learning curve. Almost any long-time web-comic artist complained in one or other point of time about positively abysmal quality of their older art (usually with something akin to classic vampyric “hisssss” upon being presented with a specimen).
There’s a catch, though – constant readers would experience… mhmhmhmh… eye glazing, for a lack of better term, simply ignoring gradual changes in design and drawing stylistic. Only new and sporadic readers (thouse who tend to read in batches, I guess), would be able to notice the the change instantly. …Well, fellow artists also, I’d wager – but they usually know better.
Inconsistency would be, in such case, an inability to sustain constant (or, at least, relatively similar) character design over a noticeably small period of time. Say, character height – or boob size – sporadically changing between two neighboring changes without in-story reason for that, be it open or secret factor.
Whenever this is a case here, honestly I couldn’t tell, for I have negative artistic merit in the area of visual arts.
Though, just to cover all the bases, complaint in this case may be related to characters changing their clothes. I mean – that’s completely new design, don’t you agree…
Also, just to be a dick, I would probably be able to pick your gauntlet regarding absolute consistency of design in webcomics – there are plenty specimens out there, being either suitably short to ignore changes in style, or executed on such crappy level that about the only thing constant about character designs is their inconsistency.
That would be a tad excessive, though, and more than a tad unsuitable – so I will not.
And with this, it is time for me to [DATA EXPUNGED] for another [UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME], and never read any of the replies.
Oh well.
You want to talk about the artist evolving his skills and the art style changing because of that, compare the most recent page of Questionable Content with the first page. The characters are literally unrecognizable.
Or the first chapter of “Merceneiress” with the last one (well, it’s easier to check the first chapter as it’s all being reposted after Smackjeeves cancelled the subscription to their website, so it might be awhile before you can check out the latest… )
Even though it was made with a 3d programs, he came up with clever in-world explanations for why the main character’s appearance changed
How long have you been waiting to do that gag on the third panel’s background?
To be fair, it’s a super power for a guy not to be distracted.
They say men can’t multi-task, but that’s not true. The only reason men can get anything done in the presence of women is that we CAN multi-task.
It’s just that one of the channels is permanently dedicated to thinking about women.
Not really. Hyperfocused guy will remain on whatever mental task they were on until it’s though out.
So they’re only susceptible to boobage when their mind was unoccupied.
To be fair these are hypnotic succubus boobs who are hard to ignore even for those not straight and male.
Talking about the guy and his soon-to-be-ex girlfriend/sister in panel three, not succubae in that panel
The interesting thing about that meme is that it’s not boob-related. He’s checking out ‘dat ass’, in this case, Pixel’s.
It’s the fact that he is so very publicly checking out “that other,” no body part need to be specified, that matters.
I usually read the comic at least twice. First for the narrative and then second to really look at the art. I saw the couple and busted a gut. Then I had to drop into the comments to see how far down before someone commented on it.
The funny thing is: I was only introduced to THAT meme yesterday.
Geeze, what social media rock do you live under? XD
It’s not a rock.
There is only a limited amount of time in a day and everyone cant indulge in every time waster.
And until other screen technologies mature online time wasters will continue to be a province for indoor people.
He didn’t say “a rock.” Well, he did, but it was qualified with “social media.” Which places it in the specific category of things that people can be unaware of because they don’t follow social media.
Since I peruse Imgur on occasion, I see these memes fairly frequently. But I’m still fairly clueless with regards to a lot of social media. I had to look up both of Pander’s “Real girls can look like superheroine poses” examples to discover that both of them had fake tits and therefore couldn’t actually qualify as “real girls,” for example.
Knowing who is trending on snapchat or twitter or … I’m not coming up with the other photo social media thingy that many people post images to… It’ll come to me, I’m sure, but I still won’t care a lot.
Which is the whole point. I think.
Talking about vote incentives,
one of my first thoughts about today,s comic was;
“Ah, of course, Decolette! She would be a nice incentive!!!”
+1 for The Incredibles reference.
“The only known shielding for male gazer beams is bulky jackets and/or absurdly long drapey scarves. also neck high walls”
There are people that gaze at burqa’s.. you can barely see more than the eyes and/or ankles.
Sydney; you’re next line should be “Well if you Don’t mind – then you don’t Matter!” Bedum*ching! I was just Thinking that Sydney seams off-model today. And I don’t mean cause of the hair – her eyes and nose keep distracting me – normally she has more of a button nose and she looks puffy around the eyes…. Lemme guess – she’s nor wearing her contacts ?
What contacts!?
She’s not wearing her glasses tonight, maybe that’s what’s throwing you off?
Actually, bulky jackets just cause men to make inferences as to what is bulking them out. The camo aspect merely results in longer application of the gazer beam in order to collect adequate data.
On the vote incentive, merely looking it over from an artistic standpoint, there’s something about the way her jacket is drawn that make her look like she has only one breast. It doesn’t seem to drape properly. Shouldn’t there be an obvious gap between the jacket below the breast, and her abdomen?
Bo kind of cover can stop male imagination.
As Octopus Pie commented on with that one comic.
Yeah, it is like her left breast is … deflated?
Angle of the pose and imperfections in the shading of that area cause it to lack enough ‘dimensionality’.
I mean, I didn’t go to art school or anything, but that’s my take on it. She seems more voluptuous than usual too.
Lol apt use of “guy checking out girls in front of girlfriend” meme. Well played dear sir, well played.
I noticed that one too! Can you blame the dude though?
Yes, yes you can. Being so insensitive right in front of your supposed partner is a quick route to having no supposed partner.
Two things. …
1.Be glad that Dabbler isn’t there,otherwise the succubus fur will be flying
2.I’m amazed that Krona and Pixel got in despite their short stature….
1. You’ve got me wondering now if Succubi do actually have fights because considering their last meeting I could easily imagine the battles are of a sexual nature and involve both trying to drain the tantric energies of the other by seeing who can arouse who more… alternatively they pick a target and see who can convince the target to go home with them.
2. I guess Pixel could have morphed to were Jaguar and have appeared as a tall human… Pixel could probably hack their perceptions a little further to either think all people that height aren’t suspicious for age or simply not be noticed.
1. I vaguely remember something about Succubi fights being indistinguishable from Succubi copulations being mentioned, and that’s being one of the reasons for participants who really hate each other to fighting – they do not want to give each other pleasure; but I’m too lazy to search that particular tidbit out.
2. ID
You mean, they didn’t have I.D. to prove their age? How have they ever managed to buy booze or rent a porno? o_O
Yeah, bet Verne Trower was turned away from every nightclub because he was short
Is that fellow on the left checking out Sydney instead of Decollette?
He’s looking away in shame after being called out on checking out Decollette.
Now all you need to do is to call him out on checking out Sydney, and he will spontaneously combust on the spot.
Or maybe Sydney is more attractive to him. Of she can bag a alien guy it shouldn’t be hard to get the attention of regular human males.
Our left? Or their left?
One is definitely checking out Sydney, no idea who, or what, the other bearded Trog is staring at…
He may be looking at Sydney’s purse, which would make him the one to keep an eye on.
I got to say, the couple in the background of panel 3 look very photo-realistic. Kudos!
That’s… because they are: DaveB simply used a filter on an actual photo
Nice use of the Meme in background, DaveB awesome homage.
What is the homage?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/distracted-boyfriend
And now you know! (And knowing is half the battle!)
“I’ve never seen you dress up before, in all the one other time I’ve met you.”
Either that or it has sinister implications about being stalked by a succubus.
Sydney has been on the news, a lot, including going to Club Oontz in New York City
Decollete has a choker in the style of the women of the team and Math.
Will there be a connection?
Yes: the Archon chokers are modelled on Dabbles’ choker, which is a Succubus fashion statement
Perhaps Dabbler provided the advanced technology needed to miniaturize / power the chokers?
Alternately, this might be an SI (the Semper Vigilantis group) and early Archon patterning outfits to fit in since they were working with them.
The technology in the chokers isn’t that high tech. They are the microphone that works with the spectacles (which were all destroyed in the restaurant fight) and Archon earbuds to form a tactical Heads Up Display. I think there might be voice recognition and some software that processed voice commands directly to the spectacles and earbud if the command center at Archon wasn’t broadcasting but most of the stuff on the choker would be a microphone and a radio.
While Dabbler did say she’s not giving out her tech, this would still be possible, as she didn’t say, as far as I’m aware, that she’d never give out *any* tech. It does seem like it’s stretching it a bit for it to be standard Earth tech at the point in time when it was introduced. Sure, we have a lot of miniaturization, but for military-grade communications, those chokers seem like they’re too small for even short-range, let alone ‘anywhere on Earth’ capability like they seem to provide.
Just because she didn’t give out “her” tech doesn’t mean they didn’t take her on as a consultant/tutor for their design team so that they don’t do anything stupid in the lab when developing new technologies or applications.
If the restaurant fight was in 2010 they already had produced flexible circuit boards and flexible LED displays. The manufacturing process had way too high a failure rate for commercial production to be viable, but producing ten or twelve heads up displays for an elite force would have been manageable in the real world.
Okay, until you include miniaturized thermal optics and the other sensors.
If you put art on the wall in an attractive frame, you expect people to look at it.
If women put their cleavage on display, it’s because they want to attract the attention of men. (And make other women jealous.)
I, personally, have done the complete 180 whilst ogling a fair damsel, and a woman behind me started getting her nerd on by trying to explain RPG’s to her friend. Common interests, especially those that have a history of being male-dominated, will win over cleavage every time. And if the nerdette is hot as well? Silly! Of course she’s hot. She’s a female nerd!
I understand that Succubi do not technically need to eat, but poor Decolette does not appear to have any internal organs in panel four :(
That’s because most people’s internal organs are located higher than their waist
Except not. The large and small intestines are located both above and below the waist and are required for eating (technically required for digesting and expelling products of eating).
Ah, depends on the internal organs. Heart and lungs and spleen, sure.
The liver is located just under the diaphragm, along with intestines, kidneys, and in women, the womb and uterus.
In face, in slim women you can typically see a bump partway up their abdomen due to the womb, (Which is a fairly large organ!) unless they’re doing a lot of crunches.
I suppose succubi might have less in the way of intestines, given their alternate energy source, and possibly no womb, either, depending on the way they reproduce.
The uterus is actually a fairly small organ, located in front of the colon and does not extend above the hips, unless occupied, then it can get quite substantial.
Corset aficionados have learned that the large and small intestines are easily displaced such that, if it is done gradually over time, the waist can be reduced down to 16 or 18 inches with no ill effect. Also, if properly fitted, corsets are not only comfortable, but provide good back support.
If made out of old-fashioned materials, with whalebone or even steel ribbing, they can even provide some arrow-proofing (There’s a true story from the USA’s ‘wild west’…)
^_^
By that standard, neither Sydney, Pixel, Krona or Tamatha have had organs on any panel they’ve been shown.
Don’t take this the wrong way – not meant as an attack, just an observation – but why is it that whenever anyone draws a picture of a woman with a small waist, there’s -someone- who says ‘what happened to her organs’ as if every woman on Earth is cylinder shaped and if they are not depicted as such, they must not have internal organs. It’s not witty. It’s practically a badly done meme.
I have a small waist too. I just don’t have the same level of what Decolette has going on up top. I assure you, I have internal organs. Not to mention certain people, especially in comics, ARE going to have a more athletic or hourglass-like figure naturally, like real world fitness or swimsuit models do. Don’t think so? Weronica Bielik. Erin Simmons. Anllela Sagra. That took me about 2 minutes to google just a few models with envy-inducing proportions.:) Real people. With amazing figures and very slim waists (naturally even). And I’m relatively sure they have internal organs as well.
And I think of ANYONE who would have an hourglass figure, a succubus would be the most likely to have one.
I’ve known some very slender women who nonetheless have a figure, and as you point out with your examples (albeit superlative ones) it’s not impossible in real life. But they end up as models for a reason – it’s very rare and statistically almost impossible.
I think most people who bring it up are simply being aware of unrealistic body images in media, which often include awkward ‘sexy’ poses (including sucking in the stomach during the shoot) and carefully selected camera angles that exaggerate proportions, especially after post-processing. Which I think people should be aware of, and generally I’m glad to see it brought up (even if it’s not always done graciously).
That said, cup size aside these are still barely-believable proportions for anyone in the real world. For example in panel 1, her ribcage is no deeper than her toned-but-perfectly-normal arms, which is just not how skeletons are proportioned, even skinny ones. It looks like her shoulder blades were surgically removed. And both 1 and 4 look like she’s leaning backwards to counteract gravity. Which she probably would have to, even with succubi magic she’s gotta have back problems.
I don’t think that ‘being slender in the waist but having a large chest and toned arms’ is ‘statistically almost impossible’ by a long shot.
My point is still that if ANYONE would have a perfect model hourglass figure, the most likely person would be a succubus (who are literally built to turn heads) or a super (who are supposed to have idealized forms generally).
I pointed out 3 names of women who have similar figures – trust me when I say there are a lot more I could have mentioned. Of ALL the people who might stand with their chest thrust out, in a dress like that, with a perfect hourglass figure and a tiny waist, toned arms, and a firm chest (again, mentioning Anllela Sagra as real world example), it would DEFINITELY be a succubus who would be likely to have that sort of figure.
And it’s really not as rare as one would think for a woman to have a small waist while also having a toned body. Like I said, I have a small waist, and several of my friends have small waists. It’s actually also pretty normal for people of my particular ethnicity to It’s not just models – a lot of women… just have small waists.
But today, there tends to be a big push to show people as being fatter in fiction, especially in superhero comics for some reason, most likely because a lot of the population (especially in the US) are more likely to be overweight (usually because the average diet sucks and food is so plentiful, while they do not exercise nearly enough).
The ‘real world’ includes models and normal people who simply have small waists without being contortionists. ALTHOUGH….. if a succubus was double jointed, it probably would help with some of those Kama Sutra maneuvers. :) I don’t think DaveB has ever drawn his characters like Rob Liefield characters (if you want to mention artists who have no concept of how the human body works). ;)
Decolette looks fine to me, honestly. She does not look like her shoulder blades have been ‘surgically removed.’ It’s just how she’s standing and how her arms are positioned. She DOES look like she’s purposefully thrusting her chest outward, but that might just be how she learned to stand poise-wise in Succubus training school. :)
I think you missed my point – sure, it’s possible to have a slender waist, athletic build, and large chest. But that’s not exactly what’s happening here, at least in the first panel (panel 4 looks feasible, however uncommon). Her waist is fine, but her ribcage and shoulders are far too narrow for the proportions of the rest of her body, which visually serves to accent the size of her chest until you notice it. I don’t think she’s missing intestines, I think she’s missing lungs. You’re absolutely right though that if anyone is going to have an impossible figure, it’d be a succubus.
As for drawing people “fatter” in comics, I wouldn’t think it has anything to do with the US being overweight, I suspect that’s an effort to counteract / reverse the traditionally unrealistic forms (and other issues) long present in comics. I thought this reconstruction and photoshopping of classic poses showed that beautifully. This data analysis on gender roles is also an interesting read, and this Cracked article covers some of the other physical issues well. Including the too-narrow waists – some female characters’ waists barely have room for their spines, let alone organs and the muscles required for enough core strength for ridiculous acrobatics.
The thing is most of those female “poses” are not static poses but more like a single frame of a very athletic move as various parts move around and go places that no human can hold more than a few seconds if at all. Also superhero costumes are tailored differently from normal street wear so they can be worn under clothing without attracting attention.
Um, no. Superheroine costumes, female specific, are tailored differently from normal street wear in that any woman wearing them would be subject to almost constant wardrobe malfunctions, rampant camel toes, and wedgies.
No. It’s not that they are snapshots of a longer movement. Its that most of them are physically impossible. That’s quite aside from the idealised bodies.
First off… I do acknowledge that we both at least agree that if anyone’s going to have a perfect figure (I won’t say impossible for reasons I explain below), it would be a succubus. Also, lungs are in the chest, not the waist.
I just find that some of the people demanding more ‘realistic’ figured superheroes (who usually just want to complain in order to get clickbait for articles) is actually a pretty dumb one, because if ANYONE was spending all their time in a physically rigorous activities and constantly training and whatnot, you’d be BUFF. :) So I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all, except that a lot of people do not have that sort of willpower and dedication (and having good genetics doesn’t hurt either). That’s why not everyone is a model. Like I said, if you want I can give a list of about 50 models – male and female – who have superhero-worthy bods, and it wouldnt even be a difficult search. Actors, actresses, and models tend to be VERY attractive and well-proportioned. Especially models. Even with posing, since Decolette isnt posing in a way which I can’t find from models like Denise Milani.
Plus DaveB already alluded that there was some mysterious reason why supers would be physically perfect human forms, right before the press conference in the conversation between Sydney, Sandy, and Peggy.
There’s only one artist of significant note really who REGULARLY (and sadly unironically) draws people with massively unrealistic and poorly done proportions – where it’s not even because of his general art style – and that’s Rob Liefeld. Most of the truly worst unrealistic comic book character proportions will usually be him. :)
Also the ‘reconstruction and photoshopping of classic poses’ article? I’ve seen that, and I have a major problem with the person who wrote that since they seem to be incredibly ignorant of comic book characters, and has probably never read a single comic. Sort of like the authors who trash video games when the last game they ever played was MAYBE mario brothers or Guitar Hero or Bejeweled.
They complain often without any concept of how easily debunked their complaints are. Especially the spider-woman one… since in that cover, she was basically doing a pose that Spider-Man has done MANY times as well (and yet no one said anything about that). :) Buzzfeed tends to write a lot of stuff without thinking. And you’ll also notice that some of those ‘real women’ are not nearly what you’d call ‘peak physicality.’ Yes, I’m sorry but if Sheridan wants to pose like Red Sonja, a diet and exercise is probably a lot more what she’d need rather than photoshopping.
And again, I’m not TRYING to be mean to the women in the Buzzfeed photos, but none of those women are athletic looking at all, and all but one are not even remotely ‘slender.’ Most of them actually look like they have never done much physical activity in the first place, so it’s a bad comparison to try to say ‘hey, this 250 lb woman can’t pose like Red Sonja’ or ‘this 230 lb woman can’t pose like Storm’ I won’t mention the Kristin one because that was a Rob Liefeld drawing, and none of his characters are ever remotely realistic, but that’s a long-running joke as I mentioned. :) But unless that woman is trying to pose like Faith, Granny Goodness, Stompa, or Big Bertha or something, she’s not going to be able to pose like any comic superheroine/villainess in Marvel, DC, or Image. It’s like trying to have them pose like Anllela Sagra or Nena Cortes, then saying those fitness models cannot POSSIBLY be real people, because they (the Buzzfeed women) can’t pose like them. It’s not because the fitness models are not realistic-looking. It’s because the Buzzfeed women are overweight and simply don’t have fitness model-level bodies.
Again, not trying to be mean. I’m just being honest. :) And I’m not going to blink twice at the idea that a superheroine or a succubus would have a slender waist, or being able to pose in ways that someone overweight and comparatively out of shape cannot.
Now now.
Before Rob Liefeld, some superheroes seemed to be all chest with maybe som chin and no lower body to speak of.
Doesn’t Liefeld’s work of drawing characters with bodies one third of which consists of their feet balance out sixty years of prior art?
Give the man credit. He was a reformer on a mission: trying to right sixty years of artistic wrong.
Umm, Liefeld characters don’t have feet
No, he ceased to draw them because people mocked him for how huge the feet were when he started.
I remember those. Actually, I hated everything about his drawing style.
Or how absurdly tiny they were :)
Rob Liefield is sort of like the Negaduck to J Scott Campbell’s Darkwing Duck.
If Nena Cortes has natural breasts, I’ll eat her implants. Oh, wait…
The point remains, she is not a ‘real’ person, and so no actual real person can be expected to be able to imitate her poses. For women who haven’t had two silicone hemispheres the size of their head stapled to their rib cages, gravity works.
Anllela Sagra also has implants, even if hers are not the cartoonishly large implants that Nena Cortes has. It would be difficult for any woman as ripped as she is (i.e. with such a low body fat) to have natural breasts her size (looks to be at least a C cup, perhaps a D) since breasts are largely fat.
So of your two cited examples, neither is a ‘real’ woman. Congratulations!
Agreed, the models posed there aren’t terribly fit, but even ‘average/normal’ one required some severe photoshopping to match the illustrations. And they all looked pretty uncomfortable.
My point isn’t that superheroes can’t have ‘ideal’ forms, that’s easily believable since (as you point out) people with an athletic build would be better suited to the position, and their very active job would help keep them fit. The problem is that 100% of them are idealized, as if anyone with an average (or even overweight) form can’t also have super powers or be athletic. “You can’t be special unless you also have the build of a supermodel” isn’t really the message people want from their role models.
Out of curiosity (and to illustrate the extent to which superhero forms are exaggerated, I make rough image of superhero vs supermodel proportions. Used one of Pander’s examples for the real-life extreme female, and Ahnold in his prime for the male. Couldn’t find a good illustrated group shot of the Justice League to work with, but the action figures are fairly close and illustrate the very noticeable difference.
Shoulder to waist ratios – men: Ahnold 1.9, Soupcan 2.5, Green Lantern 3.0 (!). Women – Weronica 2.0, Wonder Woman 2.7
Also looked at torso vs leg length for the women since that’s another commonly-distorted ratio (not that Weronica is an extreme example there, but still) – Weronica 1.6, WW 2.5.
I’d suggest you look instead at someone like Jay Cutler :) Although the artist you chose (Bruce Timm, I think) has a particular style (upon which those toys are based), where he exaggerates ALL men’s broad shoulders. Sort of like how Frank Miller does. It’s not too extreme though compared to Arnold (although the idea that Green Lantern would be broader than Superman is pretty ridiculous. :)
Anyway, look instead at someone like Jim Lee or Starlin :) And J Scott Campbell uses actual models for proportions, which is why when people used to mock him about Caitlin Fairchild’s long legs (Fairchild is supposed to have become quite tall when she became Gen Active), he showed a picture of the model on whom he based her proportions, and they were exactly the same :) I -think- the model was Anna Hickmann (might have gotten the spelling wrong).
About the torso though… you sort of proved my point with the women. Weronica’s torso is more slender than Wonder Woman while still retaining an hourglass figure. :)
You’ve mis-read the numbers for the waists then – WW’s waist is only 75% the width of Weronica’s (proportionately).
Again, not that these proportions can’t happen, but they are extreme statistical outliers* and making them not just the norm but the only representation (comics and real-world modeling) is very discouraging to some people.
* re: leg length and outliers, I still remember passing a 5’10”-ish woman on the street almost a decade ago with legs so proportionately long, I would’ve sworn was a child wearing stilts had her knees not been bending in the right spot. She was wearing plain jeans and a blouse instead of a trenchcoat though, so I’m pretty sure it was legit.
I would be hesitant to ever consider that a superheroine or succubus should be compared even to ‘average’ women, let alone overweight ones :)
Oh and by the way the male figure is pretty mutilated in comics too; obviously the extreme musculature, but many (I daresay most or even nearly all) men are shown with ludicrously wide shoulders (sometimes 3-4 times the width of their waist). Guessing that hasn’t been good for the psyche of many a fan (male or female), but it doesn’t get as much attention.
Again with men, taking into consideration that different artists have different art styles (ie, Frank Miller’s art is going to look a LOT different than Loeb’s art, who is going to have an art style different from Amanda Conner – Miller tends to have his characters a lot ‘wider’ while Loeb’s are a lot more athletic and Conner is a lot ‘cuter’). :) They all do have some stuff in common. Superhuman men are generally going to be bigger than women, more upper body strength visible, superhuman women are going to be more svelte and graceful looking, etc. And the more ‘average’ looking people will usually be non-powered or not action-oriented. Again, for the most part. Depends on characters too.
If you were a superhero (with or without powers) and doing all that athletic stuff on a regular basis, you’d probably be buff. :) :) :) So it makes sense when most male superheroes are muscular if they’re bruisers who fight a lot (or more streamlined but still built like the Flash or Quicksilver if their primary power is speed). The majority of male athletes are going to be very well defined, often to superheroic looking levels :). Even if a majority of American men (or even a majority of men in general) are anywhere from slightly to very overweight, or alternatively very skinny. If anyone’s gonna be buff, with big muscles and wide shoulders (and probably a great head of hair and powerful jawline), and of course aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabs…. it’s most likely gonna be a superhero.
I think it’s fine for people’s psyches though. Athletes, characters, models, and superheroes/heroines are usually meant to be inspirational. Are they the norm? Maybe not – depends on where you’re from. CAN they be the norm – if you put in the work or just are blessed with naturally good genetics? Of course they can be. If they were BUILT for being bruisers (like succubus are built for sex?) – ie, like a Vehemence type of demon? I’m pretty sure they WOULD look massive like the Hulk or the Mountain (or in Vehemence’s case, Mr. Clean overdosed on steroids).
I always preferred Jim Starlin’s characters, which tend to be more swimmer’s builds.
My personal favorite is usually a tie between Amanda Conner, J Scott Campbell, Stjepan Sejic, and Jeph Loeb (although Loeb I probably like mainly because he did a lot of Supergirl comics that I liked when I was a pre-teen and teenager, rather than just because of his art).
Uh, man with 24″ wide shoulders and a 13″ wide pelvis here. Just extrapolating what it would look like if every day was Arm Day and I actually had muscles I would look much like that. I used to hang with bodybuilders and some approach those proportions.
My favorite comic book art depictions have been Amanda Conner, Jeph Loeb, J. Scott Campbell, and Stjepan Sejic. :) I was just mentioning Miller, Conner, and Loeb because they’ve all drawn the same characters with noticeably different art styles. :)
Btw I was cracking up at some of the poses you linked to :). Very funny. They didnt look remotely sexy though… more like what would be seen at a sideshow for a contortionist. Whereas Decolette’s pose looks like she’s just been trained in how to best show off ‘the goods.’ :)
Regarding the new invotive: overall, prefer the original
It’s good to go back and redo an older image in a newer style (Wormius in “Delve” has been redoing older art lately)
Thank Azathoth I keep independent archive on the occasion of eminent purging of old specimens.
Lost quite a few already – like old Amber’s wallpapers (of DMFA fame) for example. Fortunately, in this case WayBack Machine was able to back my way into the past.
As for design – I’d prefer to see in in dynamic before meting out. She looks less comic-y, though – less stylized in comparison with previous form. Shift to more realistic art on DaveB’s behalf?
I prefer the older one as well. I think it’s the face – the new one just looks neutral, while she was preparing to kick some ass in the original. The sharper edges around her also contributed to that vibe.
Mmm, Pixelicious is extra specially licious in panel three, well done :D
It’s a little odd that Decollete would greet Sydney with “Good evening, Miss Scoville” twice (last panel last page and first panel this page). I assume that was unintentional? Or maybe the last page greeting could be towards Tamatha instead, though I like it the way it is.
Oh yeah, that does read weird.
So Dave, is Maxima a Major or Lt Col?
She has the bronze oak leaf in the incentive, while LtCol has a silver oak leaf
(Btw, I say promote Hiro to lt col, split the group up in two parts and with him no longer under her direct command, let them have a relationship upgrade)
Lt Colonel
Back when this started, DaveB didn’t know nearly as much about how the military militaries so incorrectly had her wearing full Colonel birds, since then, he simply hasn’t had the time to fix the early art
So which supergirl is jealous woman ™ getting married to?
… What? o_O
Appearantly the two girls know eachother, fall in love, get married and leave the guy alone.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_conradsleet/status/1179115630974394374?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3617963714256345140.ampproject.net%2F1911121900560%2Fframe.html
Still have no idea what you are talking
You talking about characters in this webic?
According to the Know Your Meme page, the meme-inspiring photo was part of a series of photos. Later photos in the series phase the guy out, and feature the two women hanging out and having fun. Many have taken this to mean that they ditched the guy and became a couple.
Ben is asking which of the folks Distracted Boyfriend is ogling is going to be the one Outraged Girlfriend gets together with.
Oh, thank you, that explains it nicely, have seen that ‘Distracted Guy’ used in many places, didn’t know they had turned it into a series
Thought maybe Ben was referring to Sydney and Kronachrome, butt didn’t want to make a false guess
I’m sorry I was unclear. One set of images I saw ended with the two women in wedding dresses
But any of the superladies is an option.
Feel the power pf my male gaze!
No!!! The power of my Male gaze has been beaten by the powet of thr female boob beacon!
Wait, haven’t Sydney and Deco already met? Why is Sydney acting as though she’s only heard of her before? o_O
This feels more like a “you’re out of your expected place” greeting being met with an “I expected to see you in a place like this” response rather than an “I’ve never met you before” response.
Sydney’s opening comment implies they have never met before in person
I don’t think you are right about this one.
Sydney knows her name is Decollete, and is making a sarcastic comment about the nature of the dress she is wearing. Her décolleté dress matches her name.
And Decollete’s second comment picks up what Sydney said, referring to Sydney’s own décolletage.
Again, they already met, with Deco’s décolleté on display
So the pink-head is the Jaguar chick, and the one front and right is… Scarlet? One of those two vampires. Who is the one in the front-right?
If you mean the girl dressed in black that’s Varia, the Aztec chick.
The tattoo and feather help
And Vahriah is from Bostahn :P
And just for those wondering, the blonde is Kat, the were-bun :D
First news ! : Sidney is a girl !^^
Second news ! : She have breasts !^^
Macho joke done !^^
https://mangadex.org/title/15722/tomo-chan-wa-onna-no-ko
Tomo-Chan Is A Girl!
I’m pretty short so when I with taller guys, I also tend to pass conspicuously.
Panel 5, the male on our right: Marvel’s Hercules?
^_^
Why does the baby succubus, who literally gets a sort of snack from oggling guys, look pissed about it? Too young to join the festivities or not I’d think that she’d at least enjoy being around the attention.
Embarrasment at having her mentor crashing her conversation? Fear of getting overfed? Or the fact that Sydney was refering to as miss Scoville in front of verious diverse patrons of the club, possibly drawing unwanted attention from enemies of the mighty HALO(tm) to a young succubus who is relying on the veil to keep discrete? Your guess is as good as mine as I am not DaveB :) The question definitely merits asking though. Perhaps the answer will appear on thursday.
As an older (and to many, sexier) succubus, Decollete is absorbing the majority of the latent tantric energy from the room?
She wears a baggy hooded sweatshirt, unflattering jeans and boring sneakers for a reason.
She was raised by humans for most of her formative years. Her sense of social propriety is naturally going to be closer to Syd’s than Dabbler’s.
I think what the vote incentive lacks is some purplish reflections of skin. The clothes are lit up, but the skin neither is lit up nor looks reflective.
While not a direct opposite, Vocal Fry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_register#Vocal_fry_register) is generally considered to be the parallel to falsetto for making your voice lower. Much like falsetto, if not done properly, it can damage your vocal cords, much like running your car in the wrong gear.
Jesus Fuck! Do you even read anything other than harem fantasies?
I can see, although not respect, the draw of fanfiction which focuses on, as the review of Tamer 6 began:
Just the phrase “tame women” should have your girlfriend running from you in horror, unless she is a complete sub. Which given your reading recommendations I guess might be the case.
I can fetch my own drinks and make my own sandwiches, thanks. But a partner who I can use as a sounding board and who is both intelligent enough and spirited enough to challenge me when I am wrong, or even when she only thinks I am wrong and we can hash out the issue, is a priceless treasure.
Jesus Christ just fuck off with that attitude.
No, fuck you! See how that works?
I can’t vouch for these books as they’re not to my taste, but why do you keep using “fan fiction” like the definition is “any fiction that doesn’t have a dead-tree publisher”?
Harem writing is almost completely fan fiction like. Fan fiction being defined by Wikipedia as:
It is unfair of me to call works such as King of Dinosaurs “fanfiction,” I suppose. He has an invented universe, and creates his own characters. But his writing style is so similar that the label seems to apply regardless. Sure, he isn’t building off of some other author’s works. But that isn’t changing things much.
To cite an example from DaveB’s reading list, in Michael-Scott Earle’s “Tamer – King of Dinosaurs” which I have listened to on audio through Chapter 6, “our hero” has gone from a pool party with a dozen bikini clad hotties, described in mouth watering detail, to an alternate universe where he has the skill of “Tamer 2”, and three female associates who are all hot beyond belief. Let’s see: there is the cat-woman, wearing a ripped bikini and little else; a spider-gal with the upper torso of a beautiful woman in a see-through negligee who constantly calls attention to her physical attractiveness, and then there is the ‘rock girl’ who has a kind of pebbly skin but is still described as being hot beyond belief and who wears absolutely nothing.
So of the three females “our hero” has met, every one of them is a 10 on a scale of 1-10, despite not being human.
The three males “our hero” has met, were not described in the same kind of terms. One just ran out of the jungle and got himself killed fast by dinosaurs. Another was big and strong and still got himself killed by the same dinos. A third was a better fighter than ‘our hero’ but wanted to sacrifice ‘our hero’ so that he could live against the dinos, and his miscalculation led to his death.
One male was a simian, another a 7′ tall dino type, and the third pretty much died before I got enough of a description to last. None of the males were said to be so attractive as to cause “our hero” to lose his mind while talking to them. All of the females caused “our hero” serious issues in trying to speak to their faces instead of their tits. Every last one of them. Spider gal wears see through clothing, pebbles gal is just straight up naked, and cat gal wears a bikini described as being ripped and torn, so it seems as though she is pretty much naked. And despite having been thrust into a survival situation on a savage planet, she has beautiful flowing locks of hair and etc. Not the matted and dirty hair you might expect in such a situation… Because that wouldn’t be sexy!
Quality writing here, folks.
While I agree (from those snippets alone, not interested in looking them up or reading them) that those books are probably male escapist fantasy, and also likely to be terrible examples of any meaningful relationship, this comment does come off rather abrasive.
Dave already lampooned the chainmail bikini trope, and stated in-comic the all the supers are hyper-idealized. He knows the comic and those books aren’t a model for real life, the readers (hopefully) know too. His book suggestions obviously aren’t for you (or myself), but there’s probably a chunk of the readership here that appreciates them so there’s no need for a personal attack.
Epic NPC Man did a bunch of funny skits on the chainmail bikini trope actually :).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vI5tdORhC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yh35uWLBQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obAd0zAFMTI
Oh forgot this one too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3raNknAKQo8
GunShad’s take on it has got to be my favorite.
Bwahh ha hah! Love it.
I’d seen a couple NPC videos before too, didn’t realize there was a whole series.
Oh yeah. Viva La Dirt League has a TON of videos.
Epic NPC Man
Bored (them working in a computer hardware store)
Apex Legends skits
PUBG skits
They’re all hilarious.
Epic NPC Man is the best.
Oh and Red Dead Redemption 2 skits :)
They’re all REALLY funny. Epic NPC Man is just their most well known series.
Ok that was absolutely hilarious :)
come on, give the guys some slack, there are literally succubus around to make men unable to control their lust
Gotta love how Decollete is actively pushing her chest out, arching her back to a painful degree, and throwing her shoulders back. Even at her size she wants more!
That is normal posture, for a woman, with those size boobs.
But over-sized jackets and scarves are adorable though!
Except those massive horrible rings of cloth around the neck that makes one look like a geriatric tortoise
I really hope it’s the lack of glasses that’s messing with my head yeah, Sydney’s face just seems to be really messing with me lately.. yeah, it might be just the change of hair and lack of glasses, will see
Button Up Shirt?…perhaps? Button Down shirts refer to the collar having buttons… ;)
I would read it ‘button-down’ as in ‘buttons all the way down’, as opposed to a polo shirt that only has a few buttons. Of course, I would also call it ‘full-buttoned’ rather than either up or down…