Grrl Power #788 – Apologies to anyone named Agnes
So this is a weird page. When I wrote it, I was thinking that, as Krona suggested, Archon actually does have a sort of secret identity allowance of sorts. Not that members of Arc-SWAT are allowed to have a secret, second life, but they they would have access to temporary fake identities. I also figured that if cops and feds can place agents undercover, those covers, especially these days, can’t just be a fake driver’s license. It would have to have social media accounts, parental social media accounts with baby pictures, high school transcripts, tax records from their first part time job, the works.
So why not give the nation’s superheroes some fake I.D.s that are for all intents and purposes, real? I know, that’s overkill for getting into a nightclub. Especially considering someone in the comments of the previous page said that famous people going out to a club anonymously happens all the time. They just call ahead and make arrangements with the owners, who obviously pass that on to the bouncers.
There’s no way Harem wouldn’t know about that sort of thing, so it doesn’t really make sense she would go to the effort of procuring rock solid fake I.D.s for Sydney, and presumably the other members of Arc-SWAT. The only way I have to reconcile this is that a properly mocked up cover I.D. had long term uses. Sydney can keep it handy, as long as she has somewhere to stash the wig as well. Some eyebrow dye wouldn’t be out of order either, honestly. But a fake I.D. like that would be pretty useful for setting up an anonymous P.O. Box or ordering stuff on DoorDash without setting off a social media/paparazzi frenzy. Obviously if someone looked like Maxima, the gig would be up when she answered the door, and the guy with her avocado eggrolls and salted caramel cookies hands her the order.
The other big tidbit we learn on this page is that the Council’s Semper Vigilantis aren’t real big on procedural law. Yes, they have people placed in the FBI and Homeland, and while they sometimes bother with warrants, especially when human agents are watching, it’s not like a lot of what they do is going to wind up in human criminal or appellate court. They still appreciate things like chain of custody and obtaining actual evidence – any police/justice system that ignores basic stuff like that is just asking to be beset with corruption and tampering – they’re just not always beholden to all the particulars of human procedural law.
BTW: Sydney is supposed to be eating fried pickles, but my coloring made them kind of off-gray, it just looks like she’s eating some middling pumpernickel bread or something.
Edit: Forgot Pixel’s bell choker in panel 6.
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My first impression was “that sounds like one of Pratchett’s characters”, but brief internet search revealed nothing relevant. I doubt “Secret ID only cops & bouncers know about” would really work, but rule of funny makes it work here.
You’re thinking of Agnes Nutter.
Also Agnes Nitt.
That’s one of the few books I didn’t read yet. I may have been thinking Agnes Nitt (except I thought she was named Nulls – I only read translated books, and translating back to English is unreliable. Took me a while now to look her up based on the stories she was in).
Internet came up with Sarah Agnes Tuttle, classical singer. Probably not relevant in any way.
I googled Agnes Tuttle and came up with;
https://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/1921census/saskatchewan/agnes-tuttle_7016571
https://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/marriage-records/agnes-tuttle-and-david-gardner.html
https://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/Maine/Agnes-Tuttle_1z6gh
https://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/California/Agnes-Tuttle_2l9r8v
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/45656710/agnes-allred
I love how DaveB comes up with a name that he just thinks ‘sounded like a boring name’ and his fanbase all start doing searches on the name to understand the underpinnings of Dave Barrack’s creative mind :) That’s definitely a sign that you’re doing something right when the readers are that involved.
Agnes Tuttle, a mean-spirited, bitter woman, whose veins coursed with vinegar.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Y5kLBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&lpg=PT112&dq=Agnes+Tuttle&source=bl&ots=8ZTrip6cmF&sig=ACfU3U0gXlHiXEYptT3H09UJtdA5YeVj2A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipy6_TovPlAhUNEawKHa5ODuA4ChDoATAFegQIBxAB#v=onepage&q=Agnes%20Tuttle&f=false
The name refers to Captain Jonathan S. Tuttle of the 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital. He was a brave man, and he will be missed.
You might say there’s a little bit of Tuttle in all of us.
*Researchs Tuttle* wow, truly a generous man…
https://mash.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_Jonathan_S._Tuttle
Personally, I was thinking it was a reference to Harry Tuttle, the commando maintenance worker from Brazil.
Methink it was Archibal Tuttle, not to be mixed up with Archibal Buttle (deceased).
It’s not supposed to be a reference, just an unsexy name.
I googled Agnes Tuttle and found multiple references.
the only thing more difficult than coming up with a fake name for a monster/eldritch horror not already in use is coming up with a real name not tied to someone, somewhere, possibly famous.
One of my oldest stories I put online centered around a zoologist named Samantha Stevens, and I kept being asked/told that was a weird reference in this context…had to look it up; I wasn’t even using the same spelling but whatever.
But yeah, for instance there is somewhere a real Fred Krueger, Voorhees. Michael Myers (famously in fact), ect… I’ve come up with names before, googled those names and discovered the name was shared by some athlete, radio personality. The worst thing on that is when you aren’t trying to reference or parody someone but readers think you are.
Daniel here. Came up with a silly name earlier tonight I thought I could use without ANY connections. Turns out Ido Ntno (pronounced I don’t know :P) appears to be a dummy Facebook profile with a creepy “personal pic” AND a # used a few times on Instgram – #Idontno -_-. Eh, might remember it anyway…
What? A friend asked another friend what they wanted to name a character & his replay was “I don’t know”, & that’s when Ido Ntno came to mind… :p
Here’s a great source.
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/dvvu6d/to_come_up_with_american_names/
I remember reading many years ago about a guy who was just happily living his life, when a popular television show premiered. Ever since he has been unable to order a pizza delivery or conduct almost any sort of business over the phone. It sucks to be Mr. Bartholomew Simpson.
Skye Bleu married James Walker in 1976 and thought she was finally rid of people asking her if that was really her name. The movie came out in 1977. :(
Also, trying to come up with a new and unique superhero name is nigh impossible. As is a unique power set.
yeah, its a nearly century old genre. Hell, DC comics has both a Maxima and a Halo…and their Halo has different powers that activate using different colored auras; it is likely a coincidence but a weird one.
Powers, yeah, not happening, at this point we have a massive data base of powers, classifications, variants, hybrid powers, differentiating between magical, metaphysical, and biological explanations for them; even coming up with something new even as a joke tends to result in a (yeah I knew someone like that, a background X-men character, ect…); Sometimes its easier not to try and be too unique, be familiar, be an expy. Call your character Blue Supreme with most of superman’s powers but vulnerable to metal; and someone will tell you “Power Girl was like that at one time” or something; or some webcomic did it. It can get to the point trying too hard to be unique just results in a needlessly convoluted backstory.
Use Griselda something or other for unsexy feminine names. As an added bonus, it comes with an old <iMonkeys song.
Griselda the Ghastly Gourmet was a segment on the Hilarious House of Frightenstein. She was a witch (ala Macbeth, etc.) with a “cooking” show where the day’s recipe always seemed to fail. Her cauldron was borrowed from a historic village type museum near Hamilton, ON.
But Harem’s people did a good job on Sydney’s ID. They even set her up a Facebook account.
https://www.facebook.com/agnes.tuttle.31
Unfortunately still blank. Time to post some party pictures Sydney!
“Agnes Tuttle, a mean-spirited, bitter woman, whose veins coursed with vinegar.” Ok… now I know why she was unhappy.
“Unsexy names” will depend to a great extent on the individual reader, and who they associate with that name. To one person, Agnes was a favourite great-aunt when they were young. To another, Agnes was the queen of the class at high school. And that’s without getting into the differences in what people find sexy in the first place…
When it comes to names for fictional characters it is amazing how often there turn out to be real people with those names. One of the favorite “fake” names is Dr. Finklestein (various spellings). I could not conceive of anyone actually having that name. Then I met a receptionist at my place of work who had that name. It turned out her husband was one of the directors of the company. Then there is the “Peanuts” comic strip. In that comic, Lucy, Linus and Rerun have the last name Van Pelt. I once had a colleague whose last name was, in fact, Van Pelt. If one wants a name for a character, they may, actually, be better off just picking an “ordinary” name that is common enough that no one is likely to think about googling it.
Even the most common names can throw some people.
Yup, the best ‘fake’ names are ordinary sounding, not ‘clever’, like “Irene Prudence Frehley” (specially when you reduce it to her initials)
Eh! The law is like the atmosphere – the higher you go the thinner it gets and at the top there isn’t any at all.
It has always been such.
That sounds good. What actual evidence do you have that this is generally true?
It may be true in the closed world of Donald Trump – the self-entitled shits who kill workers’ jobs, then scam the unemployed into voting for them to get back the jobs they killed.
But it’s not generally true.
I have known many people at the top of politics and at the top of commerce. I suspect you haven’t. They were no more lawless or immoral than other people.
At every level of society, there are shits who get away with it. And there are saints who never get their just reward and respect for the good they do.
I’d definitely agree with your point that that people at the top of a hierarchy are still people, with individual moral consciences. That said, there’s a difference between choosing to break laws that should apply to you and existing within a system where some or all rules don’t apply in the first place, and even choosing to hold yourself to a stricter moral standard than what would be technically permissible.
It hasn’t been that uncommon historically, either in America or generally, for those at the top of a hierarchy to be beyond the rules that apply to those lower down. For instance, the Constitution explicitly states that members of Congress can’t be arrested or jailed while Congress is in session (the original reason was that waylaying members of Parliament on trumped-up charges was a not-uncommon tactic employed by British kings to either skew or derail votes in the House of Commons, but it still puts them, at least temporarily, above legal consequence).
Some (perhaps even many) don’t take advantage of opportunities that power affords, because doing so would violate their principles. Perhaps most famously, George Washington was offered an office of President for Life, and turned it down (it’s arguable he just wanted to go home, take his dentures out, and put his feet up, but I like to think there was high moral principle there, too).
Unfortunately, it’s also not super uncommon for some to not only take advantage of opportunities the rules afford, but those they don’t, as well. Even Abraham Lincoln considered it acceptable (though regrettable) to suspend habeas corpus (a very basic legal right) during the American Civil War. Richard Nixon famously said (and apparently believed), “It’s not illegal if the President does it.” Andrew Johnson decided he didn’t like the Reconstruction laws passed after said war, and proceeded to basically ignore and even undermine them, provoking an impeachment trial he only squeaked through because one Senator chickened out and abstained at the last minute. Andrew Jackson ignored a Supreme Court ruling on Cherokee land rights, resulting in the Trail of Tears (and famously invited the Chief Justice, if he wanted his ruling enforced, to come down to South Carolina and enforce it himself (by implication, facing off against the Army under orders from President Jackson while doing so)).
On the other end of the spectrum of accountability, there are actual dictators (like Kim Jong-Un and Mohamar Qaddafi) and effective dictators (like Vladimir Putin) who either define the law as being exactly equal to whatever they decide to do or allow (thus making it de facto impossible for them to break the ‘law’) or can ignore the law with no fear of consequence (i.e. Putin effectively eliminates (sometimes “eliminates with extreme prejudice”) anyone who could potentially displace him and thus make him subject to prosecution or sanction).
I suppose it is fair to say that the extreme examples tend to get the most attention, and there are many people who just want to keep the trains running on time . . . and some of them are even concerned about where the trains might be going.
I specially agree with your last comment. Like you, my basic point was my last – “At every level of society, there are shits who get away with it. And there are saints who never get their just reward and respect for the good they do.”
In the case of politics, US people focus heavily on the first group. Indeed they are encouraged to do so by the Russian and Chinese hackers who squat on every discussion page. Including this one, judging by some comments. So, they are led blindfolded to believe “Oh there’s no point in voting”. And the hacker’s favourite wins, not the decent candidate who would really drive change.
You’re giving an awfully short shrift to our presidents’ precedence.
1) The idea that the US Supreme court is the final arbiter of the US constitution is a fiction. It is no where in either the constitution itself, or the Federalist Papers. Marbury v. Madison did not happen until 16 years after President George Washington first took office, and in application, that decision vacated itself. Indeed, the Federalist Papers supposed that the various “departments” of government would be jealous of their powers, with the hope that they would reign in each other’s oversteps.
2) The suspension of habeus corpus by President Lincoln is specifically permitted by the US constitution during times of rebellion. While certain actions which he took might well be challenged as beyond the powers of his office, this one is certainly not.
3) Despite the rough nature of President Jackson’s response, there were numerous constitutional issues that were at stake. In fact, the court’s decision included a rather stunning overturn of what many considered to be settled law. US-Indian relationships were one of a number of issues that the Constitutional Convention studiously sidestepped, and it is really a substantial question as to whether or not the court has any business legislating that relationship. Throw in the states vs federal government, and, from a purely constitutional standpoint, it is far from clear who the bad guys are. OTOH, when you consider the underlying issue, the US treatment of Indians was horrible, if better than what history would have suggested. Those laws were deeply wrong, but that is not really the purview of the court.
You made a really good post Lurker. The only thing I’d make a little addendum on is that while Marbury v Madison went ENTIRELY against what the founders had intended (and Madison was literally there to say ‘that’s not what the law means – I should know, I wrote it’), it’s become precedent for judicial review for ~200 years so it’s unlikely to change any time soon back to the original intent of SCOTUS.
And yes, Lincoln was doing something completely constitutional when he suspended habeus corpus because of the particulars involved when he suspended it.
The Suspension Clause of the Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Clause 2) – “The Privileges of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended unless when in Cases of Rebellion of Invasion the public Safety may require it.”
The Civil War was the very definition of a rebellion.
Nice post!
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but it was unconstitutional for President Lincoln to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus. The President is covered by Article II. Aritcle I covers the Congress.
Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution states:
“The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it”.
Thus, Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus under limited circumstances. The President has no such power.
I’m sorry to burst YOUR Bubble, but the reason Lincoln was able to suspend Habeas Corpus was because a law was passed. HR 591 – which was passed by CONGRESS. And signed into law by the President.
December 8, 1862.
And the rationale for it was Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 2.
Then it was followed by the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act of 1863 (12 Stat 755) that authorized THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to suspend habeas corpus.
I’m sorry to burst YOUR Bubble, but the reason Lincoln was able to suspend Habeas Corpus was because a law was passed. HR 591 – which was passed by CONGRESS. And signed into law by the President.
December 8, 1862.
And the rationale for it was Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 2.
Then it was followed by the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act of 1863 (12 Stat 755) that authorized THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to suspend habeas corpus.
Article I only applies to the Congress. The President is covered by Article II
And the Congress had HR 591, then passed the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act of 1863 which allowed the PRESIDENT to suspend it, based on the constitutional reasoning found in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2.
The law also released the President from any liability involved in the President suspending habeas corpus during rebellion even WITHOUT congressional approval.
President Lincoln, unconstitutionally, suspended Habeas Corpus on May 27, 1861.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/lincolns-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-is-challenged
Congress passed HR 591 on March 3, 1863, over a year later.
https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/exhibitions/artifact/hr-591-bill-giving-president-right-suspend-writ-habeas-corpus-december-8-1862
On May 27 1863, Chief Justice Roger B. Taney ruled, Ex parte Merryman, that the President did NOT have the authority to suspend habeas corpus.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/lincolns-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-is-challenged
That means, at best, he was in violation of The Constitution for over a year and, even when Congress “gave” him the authority to suspend Habeas Corpus, it lasted only 3 months. In any case, Article I only gives Congress the authority to suspend Habeas Corpus. The President’s powers are listed in Article II. They do not include suspending Habeas Corpus.
It wasn’t unconstitutional. Or at the very least, it’s very arguable that it was unconstitutional. I literally explained why in my post. But I’ll elaborate.
The Civil War began in 1861. It was happening on US soil. Lincoln was Commander in Chief and his powers were expanded (with an official convening of Congress) during which Lincoln performed a series of acts which expanded the role of the Presidency during the suppression of the rebellion.
Merryman was arrested for treason. What he did was not just his constitutional right to disagree, but he also engaged in raising an armed group to attack and attempt to destroy the government when he recruited a company of soldiers FOR THE CONFEDERATE ARMY.
Ex Parte Merryman was a ruling that Taney was literally unable to enforce, since it was taking place in a fort, which the Marshalls could not enter, and wound up not serving the attachment. Taney refused to even acknowledge in his opinion that there were a rebellion currently in progress, and seemed to not realize that Lincoln had already sent a report TO CONGRESS, where they allowed him to do what he did because Congress felt the Constitution was ambiguous on the issue (and they resolved the ambiguity by permitting the President to suspend habeas corpus in HR 591 then in 12 Stat 755.
In short, Taney was wrong, and Congress wrote a law specifically to say Taney was wrong.
Read almost any “former cop expose” of police department practices. Or almost any study of the placement of automatic traffic light ticketing cameras. Or just records. You’ll find that poorer people are targeted for police harassment, illegal drug pat downs, automatic ticket generations, etc. And why? Primarily because they are both too poor to make a large enough protest about this treatment, and they are also too poor to be contributors to the election campaigns of police chiefs/sheriffs (where they are an elected office), mayors, judges (where they are elected positions), etc.
This isn’t difficult to discover.
(This should have been a part of my above post, placed after my last sentence. But I got ahead of myself and hit post too soon)
Non-existent gods damn it!
The first paragraph in the above is from One-eyed Mike. The remainder is mine.
I have to wonder what a fake ID for Maxima would look like. Or when she could ever use it.
Latex face mask. Or a holo-disguise? I’ms sure Dabbler could hook her up. After taking skintight measurements for “calibration purposes”. With her hands. And other body parts….
*ahem* so. What were we talking about again?
We were talking about how you ended up in that full body-cast, and how long the doctor’s thought you would be in it for :P
Best response.
There is one page in which Maxima tells a back story of using make up to hide her skin. There is make up designed specifically to cover blemishes on skin, like tattoos running then length of one’s arms, that is easily applied and resistant to smudging, etc.
Except if you have skin like Maxi’s: not even the army camouflage paint works (she was told to wear a full-face mask)
What’s with the grey-toned second-to-last panel?
That looks like Sydney quickly asking Pixel about Archon’s secret ID policies.
Yeah, but I just realized I forgot Pixel’s bell choker.
I /think/ thats to represent what other people see due to Krona’s deception
That’s probably the best bet.
No it’s not, all Kronachrome has done is reduce the ambient volume in that specialwordforseatcan’trememberrightnow, or there wouldn’t be a need for Daphne’s fake I.D.’s in the first place
Booth.
I am loving the artwork more and more here, especially Krona. The shading on her face is top-notch.
I especially love the Bill the Cat expression on Agnes’ ID.
Yeah, if had just taken the time to look at the comic again, Sydney mentions it in panel one :(
Sometimes, finding the proper word is difficult :(
OK, I just don’t get that bottom middle panel. The plot flows perfectly without it, and it’s just jarring.
That is Sydney talking to Pixelicious about this whole fake I.D. thing
What, you thought she would ask
DaphneSusan? o_OI’m confused by panel 6.
Who are those?
That’s Sydney (with her Purse of Many Orbs), shouting into one of the Harem’s ears in the middle of the non-dampened noisy club, presumably asking about her I.D.
Oops, Pixel, not Harem.
Secret ID that only Cops and Bouncers know about?
Not sure I’d call that a C.I.A. grade fake.
WHY is her I.D photo like that?
Because she wasn’t ready for the flash
It’s a nod to realism, because driver’s license photos are notoriously terrible.
She’s channeling her innner Bill T. Cat.
Achthp.
Arianna made it very clear that she expected the teams life to change a lot when they went public. I assume that Harem has used that time to get things like this set up.
Nitpick of the day: Line 2/3 of the comments reads: “but they they would have”
Yea, I’m letting myself out now.
I’m more confused by “flaunting local drinking age”. My first reaction was that it was meant to be “flouting”, but it might just be a meaning of flaunting I’ve never encountered.
Though it does give me the image of someone getting a t-shirt that says “I’m 21 today!” as they hit every bar in town for their first attempt at alcohol poisoning.
No, the “flaunting” instead of “flouting” thing is still at the level of “common mistake”, not yet to “dictionary-makers give up and accept the inevitable” level. “Flaunt” means “display, show-off”; “flout” means “openly break or ignore [laws/rules]”
Ah, thanks – I hadn’t encountered that one before. And nice categorization system!
And somehow a flautist plays the flute.
(sorry for flaunting that fact)
It’s OK as long as they’re not flouting local nuisance laws.
He meant flouting, but the mistake is common enough and close enough to the actual meaning of flaunting as to be acceptable when the context is clear.
It’s kind of like using less instead of fewer when comparing discrete counts rather than continuous amounts.
*She* meant flouting. No reason to think that Krona didn’t make the mistake, since it’s so common.
I love the idea of flaunting the law, as in: “Neener, neener, neener, we can drink at 18! Your livers are 3 years behind!”
It could be a “real” fake ID, which means somebody in Arc has a sense of humor. Or trying to get even somehow. Wouldn’t put it past Arianna to have set this up while Sydney was lost in time and space.
Off-Topic Topic of the Week:
Can Achilles get a hair cut?
If he’s invincible to a sword to the eye, what chance do scissors have on his hair?
Nope. His hair is as invulnerable as the rest of him. Good thing he seems to be comfortable with the Mullet as he is stuck with it.
If he can’t have it cut, does that mean his hair/fingernails don’t grow?
If so, does his body not produce Keratin, or does it have to be “sluffed” off some other way?
I think the way his powers manifest is that his state is frozen as is. He doesn’t age, he doesn’t grow, he can’t get damaged in any way, etc.
Obviously all the things that involve moving around and being alive are not frozen, courtesy of whatever comic book logic.
That would probably mean that he’s sterile, too… No little Achilleses…
Apparently his hair neither cuts nor grows. I’m guessing he doesn’t metabolize at all, he’s just a sort of moving 3D solid image of himself at the moment his powers kicked in.
He just eats for the taste and mouth feel, and breaths out of habit.
Does he crap? Cause otherwise I wonder where the food mass is going?
Achilles metabolizes his own wastes, so no pee, no poop.
technically pooping and peeing is passing unabsorbed mass out of the day. So everything he eats and drinks if he is like this would be passed through him. Question here though does it still get broken down like waste material or just pass right through him coming out like chewed up food as it went in.
Heck even the Gems on Steven Universe could eat and they are basically living holograms around a control crystal/projector; but as the show points out the mush just moves through the body; which Amethyst apparently enjoys feeling…
As a Super, Harem probably has a higher resistance to the debilitating effects of alcohol. With her specific power, she definitely does – just keep at least 3 bodies sober, nd swap if needed.
She also likely has more “experience” and “maturity” than her age belies. Her government-issued Alternate Identity being over the drinking age probably isn’t too much of an issue.
(I presume that there probably is a government agency for this sort of thing, both for Undercover Agents, but also for the Witness Protection Program)
Like the way gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces because it’s spread over several dimensions?
Kind of like, the drunk brain is quantum entangled with several sober brains. Like having a sober version of yourself whispering in your ear when you’re sloshed, only more so.
Probably throws off her coordination, but not so much her judgement.
Over the entire Multiverse, so far as we can determine.
The pain of injuries transfers, but the actual injury is retained solely by the body that is injured, and essentially suspended when she un-teleports it. That was referenced when she got her broken wrist healed.
Presumably she’d get the sensations of drunkenness, vertigo, nausea, and the pure joy that is the hangover shared out, but actual dehydration, puking, passing out, or even liver damage, would be applied to the body that did the actual drinking.
Side note: the cool thing about teleportation powers is that the body of someone that roofied the drink of one of Harem’s selves would be really hard to find after it suddenly and mysteriously fell from 3 miles above sea level into the Marianas Trench.
Why doesn’t Crona hack Sidney to give her 20/20 vision (or better)?
Because Maxima said so.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-527-when-i-say-favor/
That stopped applying as soon as they determined that Krona’s “save point” wasn’t really time manipulation at all.
Would you want to take the chance on pissing off Maxima to do something minor like correcting mild farsightedness? I’m pretty sure Maxima is faster than reality hacking.
Would you want to piss off, or worse, hurt, a friend doing something you have admittedly stated you are not sure what you are doing?
Could be that Sydney’s just fine with her eyesight the way it is. Maybe even prefers it, for some uses – I’m not sure what her prescription is, but being short-sighted certainly makes close-up detail work easier and more comfortable.
you would think that Sydney would be more impressed at how far her web of “girl” contacts extends
as for the fake i.d.’s I’m sure archon has a program and the machinery that can pop one out nice and easy all in place after all arc dark (and arclight) probably have everything in place for when an agent or agents need new i.d.’s asap. probably can generate a full and complete history (with family, friends, an entire social media presence entirely backdated) in less time than warming up a burrito. after all, we don’t know what tech archon has access to but I’m guessing its all cutting edge reasearch grade stuff.
Of course. Now it makes perfect sense. She’s Jonathan Tuttle’s grand-niece. We should – all of us – be proud of Captain Tuttle’s achievements and his heroic untimely sacrifice and hope that she will live up to his lasting legacy.
Hmmm, “Agnes Tuttle”. A Portmanteau of the names “Agnes Nutter” *from Good Omens (natch) and “Harry Tuttle” *from Brazil, and played by Robert De Niro(!) mayhaps?
wasnt agnes tuttle the lady that did the accurate book of prophecy in Good Omens?
Nah, that was Agnes Nutter. Though Robert De Niro’s character in the movie “Brazil” was named “Harry Tuttle”, which does suggest a mash up of coolness. :-)
Panel 6 seems out of place. What’s going on there?
Read panel five
That still doesn’t help me either. Can you explain explicitly, even if I am actually being dumb?
Panel 6 is puzzling – if it was omitted, the page would flow better. The panel adds only mystery to the page.
Sydney said she should go ask (about whether Archon has a “Secret Identity” clause), the only one there from Archon that she knows to ask is Pixelicious (she doesn’t know Specs enough, and certainly wouldn’t ask the woman who gave her the fake I.D. what the official Archon Policy was)
I think it means Sydney is asking Pixel about whether or not Archon has a system in place for secret identities and stuff, since as a part of the intelligence department, Pixel seems the most likely to know.
Would never have occurred to me that Harem would have to use a fake ID to get in.
Mostly because I forget that the legal drinking age in US is 21, not 18 like in Australia.
I mean, it’s not like your under 21’s aren’t drinking anyway.
Yes, the USA is out of sync with the average round the world – which seems to be about 18.
I assume it is a spin-off from the forces which created US Prohibition (and the US Mafia), and then world-wide drug bans (which created world-wide Mafias). The Law of Unforeseen Consequences strikes again.
It is a spin off from the voting age being 21 during the post-Prohibition time period. Many states set the drinking age the same as the voting age as that was considered the age of being a full adult. Differing drinking ages in different states led to many fatal accidents as teens would drive across the state border to drink in a lower-age state, then drive back. The Federal government tied highway funding to a 21 year old drinking limit so all states had the same drinking age.
Actually, it was 18 in my home state, when I turned 18, then, IIRC, the federal government pressured the states to raise drinking ages, (This was back in the 70’s.) and it went to 21. Not a hang over from Prohibition at all. As Marquar says, it had to do with reducing drunk driving by young adults.
So I became old enough to drink, twice.
I think raising the drinking age was 1981 or 1982, when I lived in California.
I lived in an age 18 state when I turned eighteen never drank until my glasses were broken and it took nearly a month to get new ones when I was nineteen, then a few months later I got alcohol poisoning and threw up if I even smelled booze for a year after that.
I drank upon occasion during my years in the military but it just doesn’t offer enough for my entertainment dollar to drink much. I like cocktails and I bartended for the men in my platoon years ago…but I’d rather have a new boardgame or a cooking gadget.
I have friends who became old enough to drink THREE times. Age 17, 18 & 21. (New York State) :)
I was told at the time they changed it, that one of the reasons was that since underage drinking was going to happen, by increasing the age it would eliminate most under 18 drinking. My cousin turned 18 just 6 months before they started increasing the age (one year at a time), he was able to drink half a year for 3 years (at least that’s what the poorly worded law seemed to say)
Hah! That sounds ridiculous. Good work bureaucrats.
What they should have done was make everyone already 18 at the time of the change exempt.
But that would have caused too many bartenders to have to remember the exact date of the law change.
While I do understand the idea of a higher drinking age to reduce under 18s from drinking, or under 21 drinking in general, it is somewhat at odds with the whole “18 is considered legally an adult” thing.
That and I find it hilarious that a 20yo Aussie who’s been drinking for years could go to the US and be told “no, you can’t drink because we are protecting you”.
They did just that in Florida. As I remember, the cutoff date was Sept 30th, and for three years on that date the drinking age was raised a year till it was up to 21. I was born in August, and my best friend who was born in November of the same year. As a result I was legal at 18, and my friend couldn’t legally drink till they turned 21.
Actually, as I remember the times there was a noticeable statistic uptick in deaths involving driving while intoxicated at the time. There was some temperence group called Mothers Against Drunk Driving raising a ruckus and the change was probably a political quick fix.
While alcohol was cited, in the traffic death rise, there were some additional factors. There were some cars that had reliability problems which had hit the market, and the fedgov attemp to extort a 55mph speed limit out of the states by withholding interstate highway maintenance funds had resulted in some States calling the hand and not maintaining vast sections of interstate. When I reported to Keesler Airforce Base in 1985 there was still grass growing up through cracks in the pavement on my motorcycle ride across Louisiana.
Why couldn’t it have been that Daphne got the I.D.’s from Arc-Dark?
And that ‘Agnes Tuttle’ is Sydney’s official Undercover Identity, this is just the first time it was needed
They wouldn’t want to squander all that work on a nightclub visit. If Halo does a Halo in there the cover ID would be toast. It probably isn’t deeper than what a nomal person can find in a simple google search.
If that is her official secret ID, does the address say she is from Vermilion Ohio?
(if confused, see page 425)
And to prove that if you look hard enough you can find a link with anything, here is a news item from an old issue of the ‘Vermilion News’: Vol. XI, No. 24. – VERMILION, OHIO, THURSDAY, November 21, 1907
Berlin Heights
A temperance concert is to be given at the Congregational church on Sunday, Nov. 24.
Leman Jenkins fell from a wagon one day last week and broke his leg.
Mrs. Agnes Tuttle was a Toledo visitor last week.
http://www.vermilionohio.org/vermviews/vermviews-662.htm
Um, no. They wouldn’t put that word in anything she might be required to say.
It could be in her secret identity profile in some form that she could use as a way to work it in – for example, she could be from *near* Vermilion, Ohio, such that she could recount something as reminding her of an experience she had there. But it wouldn’t be used in any way that could work its way into random questions that she might be asked to confirm her Agnes Tuttle identity. So she wouldn’t have been born there, or lived there, or gone to high school there, or even worked there.
That having been said, if this ID isn’t from Archon, but does come with a full background, then it could absolutely say she’s from Vermilion, Ohio.
Except Harem was in Oontz earlier, as her public persona, with Maxima’s approval. Cuz Oontz served alcohol. Did she just not drink? If that’d work then, why not now?
If this is Texas, bar laws are a bit more relaxed here. For example, my underage daughter accompanied us to a bar for New Years Eve last year. She could have even drank legally as long as I bought it for her and she remained under my supervision.
Oontz was in New York though
No they’re not. TABC has some of the strictest on-site regs in the country. It’s a matter of how the place is classified. If it’s a restaurant she could go in as long as she didn’t go up to the bar, but if it’s just a bar she was there illegally.
Incorrect. Being in a bar while under age is not prohibited provided one is accompanied by an adult, although strongly discouraged. Drinking while under age is prohibited.
Is this a reference to Capt. Tuttle? Captain Jonathan S. Tuttle of the 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital?
Finest soldier I ever met. He will be missed.
He nicked my rucksack, though…
And he’d still be alive if you hadn’t brought your rucksack on the chopper!
Knew that name was familiar when someone mentioned it above, just couldn’t recall why…
…. I thought for sure she was snacking on what to me was something like a plate ol Hombreys. Granted it’s odd for a club like that, but then to each there own.
Haven’t had them in ages though, and that was down here in Houston. It’s basicaly Kind of a Soleta that’s soaked in coffe and re-baked untill it’s crispy again and then soaked again with Tequila. Basicaly each of those in her hand wold be a half shot.
Huh, so Agnes Tuttle is from Beaumont, TX. Even the zip code is correct. Funny, that’s my neck of the woods.
At first, seeing Kronachrome in a different top, thought “Did everyone get caught in the Glitzkrieg?” butt then figured “Nah, after seeing what happened to Sydney, she would have just hacked her own outfit”, would explain what happened to her goggles (rather than blame DaveB forgetting to draw it on this page, like a few ‘tics would)
Another value of going out on an official fake identity is that it provides more ‘organic’ hits on the identity – keeps providing for the social media feed, &c..
Speaking of being under 21,does anyone know of clubs were you have to be sixteen to get in?
(That ‘s a place Harem could go to….)
Harem could vorp right past any bouncers, and everyone inside would assume he allowed her in.
Doesn’t Harem have to have seen the place first? Or am I going senile again?
Why? She’s 19
“Flouting”
Does Sydney know that.
rather important distinction, given how commonly it is said and pronounced flaunting in this same case, hence why DaveB could make the mistake, because it is a common mistake. One we can expect Sydney to make but still understand what she means.
Tuttle was Hawkeye’s childhood imaginary friend. He got all the blame when something went wrong. When Hawkeye was drafted, Tuttle was too. This was Hawkeye of MASH, not Hawkeye of the MCU. He graduated medical school from Berlin Polytechniche. BTW, when Tuttle died in a freak battlefield medical emergency parachuting accident, his GI insurance went to Sister Monica’s Korean Orphanage. He was the best OOD the 4077th ever had!
You forgot the original Hawkeye, the Last of the Mohican’s :P
Although he wasn’t the last, seeing how he was adopted
Is that a minihamburger on the first panel?
Threw me as well, the food here appears to have been made in a tiny kitchen.
The technical term is “Slider”.
Even sliders are at much bigger. Compare the burger (and egg roll) to the size of their hands; both items are perhaps the size of a ping-pong ball.
the new promotional Entrapta burger LoL
https://66.media.tumblr.com/bb0fdb81dd43949750655435cbd95db5/tumblr_inline_pj1tonmufy1qckm6t_1280.png
It’s like the polar opposite of the Taco Town special.
aside from the corn husk and tote bag that looks like something you could actually find at a big outdoor carnival novelty food stand; like some freaky family meal.
It’s a night club: they serve tiny portions at full price, most times, the consumers are too drink (or stoned) to even notice
What is going on with that next to last panel? Halo goes from asking about the ID to stating something about it with that panel in the middle but it doesn’t explain a thing to me.
She went and asked about it, from Pixelicious
I guess Sydney doesn’t know how decibels work?
May be not, butt she got the point across: the noise of the nightclub is less intrusive in that booth than she would have normally thought
One trick have found when talking to someone in a crowded place, like a restaurant, is to talk under everyone else, not over them: the person you are talking to can still hear you butt the rest of the ‘rant can’t
The correct word is flour. One flouts human law, not flaunt it. To flaunt is to show off.
Flour? Is this a Bake Off reference?
write how people talk, I have never heard anyone say flour like this but I have heard people say flaunt the law. If characters speak in perfect diction I assume they are robots or English teachers.
“If characters speak in perfect diction I assume they are robots or English teachers”
I often speak that way, but that could be from a high IQ.
No its not from a high IQ, I know plenty of intelligent people who in general conversation will get stuck on a word, or when speaking quickly fall back to an earlier way of speaking. You have to practice at speaking “perfectly” especially with a language like English. Hearing your Biology professor say “I have ate today” should not make you think they are a complete dumb-ass.
The whole perfect diction equals intelligence is Victorian level hierarchy nonsense. The same as Elitist Nobles in the middle ages inserting French words…which have become stuck in English as a sort of (look how smart I am) manner; to differentiate between themselves and the commoners.
So no, unless you are writing someone who prides themselves on that, or was raised in an environment that enforced perfect diction; it can be awkward. Mark Twain had it right, and was part of his reason for being a success, he broke away from the rules of literature that insisted everyone had to speak in the same structure sentences had to be written in. It makes characters more relatable when they have at least some small common flaw.
Yeah, just watch the original “The Chase” show (the UK version, not the shitty ‘in name only’ US version), and listen to The Beast speak
That medieval nobles speaking French instead of English to show their education is a myth. Well into the twelfth century Norman French was their first language. For a good many French was their only language until the 11th century. Only after a good deal of mingling with the servants did this stwrr to change.
Yeah, I probably shouldn’t have trusted anything I learned in that English class. Same dip who insisted we take out a thesaurus when writing anything so we don’t “overuse” small simpler words and make everything sound like a thesis.
I wouldn’t say it’s an IQ thing. I think it’s more about avoiding potential ambiguities. For example, I know people who regularly conflate brought and bought, which I’d imagine would cause much confusion at a Bring & Buy Sale.
(+5) : rolleyes :
Here’s a great short story where the main character can hear grammar errors – along with some other unique
cursestalents.Weird. I was just making light of Marc’s typo.
knee jerk reaction, for me this was like 2am, ignore it.
Is Sydney missing the right lens of her glasses in panel 5?
Remember, her glasses are rim-less, butt if you look closely you can see the edge of the space-glass (specially if you look at her pupil)
You’re right. I had the monitor at a strange angle and couldn’t differentiate between the skin and edge colours.
Yeah, it was difficult to see
Hmmph, good fake ID’s are one thing. IF I wanted that, I need more than plastic…has to have the whole legend with records. Which for someone my age is a right bugger. Why you ask? (lights up a galois and leans back) kid, I’m old enough that my digital trail has to have obvious holes because of format changes AND actual paper trails back to the middle of the cold war. We could maybe, I say maybe shave a decade or add one. BUT. It’d have to be airtight. That can’t happen anymore. Not possible.
Depends on where you are from.
Some places paper trails from the cold war era are lost, destroyed, or warehoused someplace unsearchable.
Which leaves a lot of people in a bind whose medical records (civilian and military no longer exist for long periods.
Usually you can get birth certificates, and marriage licenses. It would be nice to get military induction and discharge records but those can be spotty.
Be glad, Sydney. When one of our players in our Shadowrun campaign wasn’t there the evening we were buying new fake IDs for everyone, her new identity was ‘Gertruda Lipshitz’
Lipshitz?
She had it coming.
She had it coming.
If you’d have been there.
If you’d have seen it.
How could you tell me that I was wrong?
When I was a bouncer, Texas IDs were pretty hard to fake, since they had both the watermark and the transparent, full-thickness holograms. I’m surprised she would need a professionally produced fake that was somehow more official.
It sez right on the card: “SECRET ID ONLY COPS & BOUNCERS KNOW ABOUT” (No, I’m ^not^ shouting : rolleyes :)
It may be different now but way back in the day when I was in the US Army the minimum drinking age on post was if you’re enlisted. It didn’t matter what the state minimum age was. Pretty much the thought was that if you’re old enough to give you’re life for your country you’re old enough to have a drink.
My understanding is this is still the case, but they’re currently at some random club in Houston, not on base.
I think the idea is more that since Harem is part of a pseudo-military organization and her job does involve her risking her life for her country (though her powers make the level of risk debatable I suppose) then it follows that Archon probably doesn’t much care if she drinks, using that same logic. Or even just Maxima might follow that same logic. She might have a bit of a stick up her butt about gender issues but Maxima has been shown to know how to party. (Still don’t know if she can get drunk though… if she can’t I feel like kegstands would be more uncomfortable than any kind of fun…)
“if she can’t I feel like kegstands would be more uncomfortable than any kind of fun…)”
She was flying at the time.
She’s got more tolerance than that if it’s just one keg.
Maxima wasn’t flying…she was just a little floaty…
He was asking about drinking laws, not Archon’s policies on the matter.
OH,Thanks A Lot!!! … for the comment under the post.
… to have friends in clandestine places.
Now I have the song stuck in my head … with altered lyrics and all!
I have friends in clandestine places
Spys wearing other people’s faces
AAAAaaahhhhhh.