Grrl Power #736 – The huggening
Okay, so, there were some… mixed reactions to the previous page, which I would prefer not to reignite, so I’ll just say that while Dabbler was obviously listening in, her broader range of relationship experiences means she didn’t think anything of what was going on. I mean if she’s dated an Orc or whatever the grrl-verse equivalent of a Klingon is, then she’s experienced rougher stuff than having a shoe thrown at her. Willingly and eagerly, I feel the sudden need to add. She is both a sadist and masochist by average human standards, but all of that is entirely in pursuit of simple hedonism, which is her primary motivator most of the time.
So I did make minor edits to this page, just to slightly change the vibe coming off the previous scene, but I obviously didn’t plan on a page where Sydney has to sit down with HR over this, and I’m certain I couldn’t write that to everyone’s satisfaction anyway, so I guess… fanfic that scene in your head if you need to and let’s move on?
Did you know that “Klingon” is in the Windows inline spell checker, but “klingon” isn’t? That seems weird to me, because you don’t capitalize race names. I think it looks better if you do, which is why I capitalized “Orc,” but human, horse, elf, yarzarian? (also not in the windows dictionary). Not capitalized. Arguably, Klingon could be a nationality, which are capitalized, but they’re basically a monoculture. They have the different houses, which I assume function like miniature city-states, but they’re all still Klingons. Anyway, I thought it was weird, and I think we should capitalize race names, at least for sapients.
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Homo sapiens is capitalized.
Terran is also capitalized.
Washington, D.C. is capitolized.
Homo sapiens is a misnomer anyway. Something along the vein of “Homo hubris” would be more appropriate, but my old Greek / Latin isn’t up to any task.
No worries. Most of us don’t have enough Latin to know the difference. I mean, egregious things we can spot. Like, say, someone claiming that the proper term was Homo ubrishay would obviously get ridiculed pretty quickly.
But for most people Latin is a dead language that we can at best sort of recognize.
Actually, it’s Pan narrans, the storytelling chimpanzee (as said by Terry Pratchett).
The latin ‘sapien’ is latin for wise. Homo sapien is not a misnomer, it’s the term for modern man.
Unless you’re making a joke, in which case I think it went over my head :).
I’m pretty sure the joke was that humans aren’t wise, they just decided to name themselves that way to stroke their ego.
Ahhhhhh. okay :)
I really don’t get why so many humans try to act like humans aren’t wise. At least WE know not to throw poop at a fancy dinner or drink out of the toilet. We’re just so wise that we have higher standards of wisdom. Heck, even compared with computers. Do you realize if you tell most webservers “Sudo rmdir -r /” they’ll commit suicide? Humans are at least wise enough to -sometimes- say “Ehhhh…. maybe I should not do something completely immediately self destructive just because you told me so.” Seriously, as far as wisdom goes, no species on Earth compares with humans.
Yeah you obviously haven’t seen what some chavs get up to after a major drinking bender then.
Who said chav’s were even human? They are simply a sub-set of monkey who learned how to do a full Brazilian and wear clothes
They seem more Human, than you do!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBxsYB1IJY
But Chavs are so musical…
Okay what the heck is a chav?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
Emphasis on the ‘sometimes’.
Humans have their dumb moments. However, most animals and even computers have more moments than we do.
Ok I have to give you praise for the funniest comment so far.
I am definitely a big fan of the ‘Humans are awesome’ trope in science fiction. It’s woefully underused :)
Self preservation is not wisdom.
Being aware of self, and identifying it is in danger and needs preserving, is very much wisdom
Nope, that’s just instinct. It might be a wise course of action, but at that point we’re engaging in equivocation because she bacteria are capable of that. The wisdom referred to by home sapiens refers to the ability to form abstractions about reality, mentally manipulate those abstractions, and predict outcomes. It refers to the higher cognition, not just survival responses to noceception.
No, no it’s not, it is more than just instinct
Sorry, sticus, but a survival response to noceception is just instinct and not at all wisdom. End of discussion.
Response to what? o_O
Maybe you need to give your dumbphone a few whacks like Al did to his space calculator phone thingie
Noceception… You act like you’re an expert and you don’t know the technical term for, as you put it, a creature “identifying it is in danger”? Any any all noxious stimuli qualifies for that, and the sensation of noxious stimuli is nociception.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nociception
Before you accuse others of being dumb, it’d serve you well to read up on things first. Otherwise acting like you know everything in a way that anybody with two brain cells to rub together and spark a thought can see that you don’t know what you’re talking about is about as useful in saving your position as poking holes in a ship to key the water out.
To let* the water out
Stupid phone
Wasn’t calling you dumb ‘umei’, was referring to your phone
And go back and read what wrote: didn’t say it wasn’t instinct, said it was more than just instinct
It would be instinctive to respond to a large noise by jumping out a window, wisdom would tell you that jumping out a fifth floor window is fucking stupid
An animal in a trap gnaws its foot off to escape the trap and flee before the hunter finds it.
A human in the trap will free itself, but remain, set an ambush, and kill the hunter, removing a threat to its kind permanently.
That is the difference between instinct and reason.
We are definitely stroking something……..*cough cough*
I think it’s less a joke and more a statement. We say we’re wise, but, thanks to the Dunning-Kruger effect, most of us don’t feel like it really fits. More specifically, the wisest of us really do not feel like we’re wise.
We are certainly clever. We’ve managed many things that chimpanzees could not possibly manage. To someone who has not spent much quality time around chimpanzees, however, it’s really easy to come to the mistaken belief that it’s possible that this is not because we’re more clever than the chimpanzee, but instead that we are less wise.
Having spent enough time around someone who has spent a lot of quality time around chimpanzees, and having some capacity to learn from others, I feel quite confident in saying that, on average, I’m more wise than an average chimpanzee.
An average dolphin, on the other hand… I’ve not spent any significant amount of time around dolphin researchers, but they all seem pretty incredibly impressed with their research subjects. I’ll therefore make the mistake of thinking that the dolphins are all much more wise than me. Except, well, I’ve looked into the Dunning-Kruger effect, and how it also leads to impostor syndrome, and, well, damn.
In conclusion, I have to admit that Homo sapiens does seem to be applicable, but only because of a decided bias in our favor. Were we able to make a comparison with some other species who was also wise, compared to, say, all of the other species we’ve been able to compare things with,… I don’t know how we’d stack up against elves, dwarves, orcs, kobolds, or their space equivalents, such as vulcans, squats (from Warhammer 40k because I’m not sure what Star Trek race would be space dwarves), klingons, and pakleds. I’d tend to guess we wouldn’t stack up too well. But I realize that I’m hardly an unbiased third party here, and I suffer from being painfully aware of my own failings (which is the whole bit behind Dunning-Kruger and Impostor Syndrome. I’m certainly not the most capable by any means, I’m just one of the millions who are capable enough to be impaired in this fashion.)
“More specifically, the wisest of us really do not feel like we’re wise.”
Then, you are the truly wise!
Humans are the only species that can discuss wisdom with humans. Therefore, wisdom is whatever we agree it is. Words mean whatever we use them to mean.
I’m a big fan of Pan Narrans – “storytelling ape”
Pan Narrans is very apt. Kudos to the definitely wise inventor. Really a shame that he’s not with us anymore.
Individual humans can be quiet smart, some of us are even deserving of being dubbed Homo sapiens. But when I consider how groups of people behave and how we treat the very ecosphere we depend on, that can’t be the right name for our species.
We could be a first or second step to something which might be one day deserving of that name; we invented concepts like God, Love, Justice, Honor and such, after all, so the general direction looks good.
Now we just need to get it managed to not eradicate ourselves, only I’m not too willing to bet good beer on that outcome.
the current species name of humans is Homo Sapiens Sapiens. the last stage back was Homo Sapiens, which translates as “man who thinks” or “man who knows”, and Homo Sapiens Sapiens translates usually as “man who knows he knows” or “man who knows he thinks” but I like to translate it as “Man who thinks he knows”
That’s genus and species. The rules of the road are that genus is always title-cased; species is not. It can also be abbreviated “H. sapiens.” In the same way, a horse is Equus ferus caballus (genus, species, subspecies), abbreviated E. f. caballus; note that the genus abbreviation is capitalized, but the species abbreviation is not.
Is the Genus, species & subspecies rule why I sometimes see us described as Homo sapiens sapiens & our long lost cousin as Homo sapiens neanderthalis?
Look inside you and see your cousin.
And, ew, we are not taking that in the way perverted minds go!
Homo sapiens is a false comparison. You always capitalize the genus. An appropriate comparison would be “human”, which isn’t capitalized.
I’m with Dave on this one; I don’t capitalize species names if I can get away with it. When I’m talking about Half-Life 2, for instance, I don’t capitalize “vortigaunt” or “houndeye” or “headcrab” or “chumtoad”. However, I do capitalize “Antlion”, “Barnacle”, and “Ichthyosaur”, because they share names with real life Earth animals, so to me it makes sense to distinguish the alien ones by capitalizing them.
Why are you capitalizing ‘Earth?’ :)
Also, what about Terran? :)
1) It is the place where I live.
2) Mother Earth.
3) Goto 1.
Thought you lived in a house o_O
Ahh, the days when I lived in a lovely dog house are now but a distant memory, having returned to the UK. Now I rent a room. Which is better than the alternative of a park bench. It would have been hard to keep my kitties safe that way.
It was a (poor attempt at a) joke, after you said Earth was the place where you live :(
I can’t argue with a doggo who respects his Mother Earth.
The rule in English is you capitalize proper nouns – that is names.
The problem here is that many words are only sometimes names. Earth is capitalized if you are talking about it in a context of other planets. It isn’t if you are talking about soil.
For people groups you have an additional problem. They are proper nouns if you are using them as actors – if you can say “The Xs are plotting to Y” and mean it, X is a proper noun. But you can almost certainly find somebody who will assert they are an x but the X-People League doesn’t speak for them and they think Y is a terrible idea. At which point using x as a proper noun is potentially offensive to them….
Well Klingon is also the demonym for their empire. So they are klingons of the Klingon Empire of which they Klingon citizens. Like being American or British.
I think people confuse “race” and “species” rather a lot. ;-)
People confuse a lot of things with a lot of different things, but I guess that’s a whole other animal.
Um, wait a second, that’s not an animal. Clearly, I’m one of those people who gets confused a lot. ;)
Am I the only one who was curious as to how much cake 200 CCs is?
200 CCs (Cubic Centimeters) is a little over 12 Cubic Inches, which would be a slice of cake 2x3x4 inches, or about 7 medium sized (2 TBSP, or 1.5 inch diameter) Cake Pops.
I love you for actually doing the math on that
Keep being awesome
The Wulfster clearly takes his snacks seriously.
As we all should.
He is not the hero we deserved, but he is the hero we needed.
Amen lil Joshu. Amen.
I don’t understand the dimensions. Can you elaborate it in weight (SI standard)?
Depends on your kind of cake, as Density can vary widely. Just look at Angel Cake vs. Carrot Cake.
It could be a proper fruit cake, in which case it would be somewhere close to neutronium in density.
Tasty, tasty neutronium.
Neutroni-yum?
I think Devil’s food cake is denser than Carrot cake even. It’s pretty thick chocolate. I love the idea that Devil’s Food Cake is literally the cake equivalent of the opposite of Angel’s food cake…. and it’s sooooooo much better (And surprisingly, healthier for you (especially if done with DARK chocolate) while angels food cake is all pretty yet empty calories…seems like some kind of poetic with some hidden meaning.)
If it helps, it would almost fill a half-pint glass
Er, 2x3x2 inches, not 2x3x4 inches. Not actually very much cake.
Cant find a measure for the density of carrot-cake. If it was pure carrots it would be about 0.45 pounds
One source I found for (good) sponge cake says it would be 1/8th of a pound.
I should probably have less free time… :P
just go by the weight of a pound cake…
You know it would be amusing if dabbler gave her exactly that amount :)
Actually, it is less than one cup. as CC = ML.
The easier way of visualising it (for liquids) is the amount an average water cooler cup holds. Now substitute a cylindrical bit of cake, for the water.
Of course the true connoisseur will empty the water cooler out, fill it up with cake, then stick their snout in the trough and nom nom nom.
I have no idea why that last comment ended up an incongruous reply to someone else’s comment, so I’ll repeat it:
Krona is *so* *damn* *cute*. I kinda liked the last page’s eye color a bit better than this one, though.
I believe her eyes are “hazel” which is an eye color that changes its appearance between blue, brownish and green depending on the lighting and surroundings.
and mood…
I don’t think my color has a name. They’re usually brown, but sometimes change to gold (like, actually reflective gold… it’s freakin’ cool… for some reason leaves me a headache when it happens though, but usually I’m doing something really intense at the time… is that normal?)
yes…
Mine are blue and depending on how stressed or relaxed I am depends on how deep or light my eyes get… My wife loves them when they are a light sky, almost crystal, blue, and has told me when I am angry they are a deep navy blue.
So the intense concentration and focus is likely what causes it for you. (both the change and the headache.)
I coulden’t pass up the pun… sorry
much more common is the hazel that goes from green to brown, and usually varies in concentration with the mood of the person. there are other variants/blended eye colours that are referred to as hazel, but they are much more rare.
Yo, Dave, it’s your universe, do it however you damn well like.
You do realize that its not a bad thing for a creator to care about and respect his audience’s opinions and critiques, right? Would you prefer the original movie Sonic design? Are you a fan of what they did to Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi? Is Captain Marvel the best comic book ever despite terrible book sales? Was Crystal Skull the best Indiana Jones movie? Was Mass Effect Andromeda far superior to the first 3 games? :) If you answer no for any of these questions, maybe its good for creators to acknowledge critiques (as long as its not just namecalling and insults, which helps no one).
in this case the critiques were a bunch of children crying over a bit of slapstick comedy.
Personally attacking people (e.g. “children crying”) for having a different viewpoint isn’t a valid criticism of the point of view. It’s just a window into the character of the person doing the attacking.
It’s therefore a pointless waste of time unless people actually care about the character of the person doing the attacking.
SOOO True.
Or unless you are a troll and genetically unable to have conversations with people of differing moral viewpoints. In that case, your personal agency is lost and your posts will occur like Tourette’s, regardless.
I notice that Mistlynx (who I’m assuming might be Mint) did not actually respond to anything of the questions written.
I also don’t think he understands what a critique is. Dave does though, and he did not get bent out of shape over the critiques like Mint/Mistlynx is.
Personally didn’t have a problem with the perceived slapstick, because was able to see it for what it was: visual humour
Not what the discussion was about at all, but decent strawman attempt.
Also remember that Han Solo shot first.
And Wesley Crusher was the finest addition to a TV show since Scrappy Doo.
I see what you did there.
:)
You are right, it isn’t.
But there’s a vast difference between wanting to present something as a funny joke, and people getting upset about it as people did. Do you really want people to self censor? to avoid drama? or maybe, just maybe. The people getting upset could realise it is a comic that the artist likely isn’t intending anything more then what is shown.
And then people could stop creating drama around the topic and just go “I don’t think that’s funny.” to themselves, and either drop the comic, or continue to read it, rather then creating drama?
Sydney uses her space wizard powers to force a man’s head underwater to make him fear drowning, and then arcswat engages in medical experimentation on him by drugging him with a Schedule I substance around the clock, and people are worried about stylized bumps on a head that aren’t meant to represent actual injuries… Smh
You do realise that that man literally started a superpowered brawl simply because it gave him the jollies and that he fed on the resulting violence? Plus, he manipulated innocent supers to potentially kill or be killed for a snack!
And therefore threatening his life and using him for medical experimentation is justified. Ok, good thing you’re not in charge of the justice system.
And look, I’m not defending him. I’m saying that worse things have happened than a bit of cartoon bumps on the head.
Unconsentual medical experimentation on prisoners is a huge violation of ethics and morality, no matter the ends.
You really are a piece of work if you’re more concerned about a non injury that was drawn in an exaggerated, stylized fashion for comedic purposes than the idea that the government can medically experiment in prisoners simply because it’s convenient.
Are you deliberately trying to be stupid? Or have you been taking lessons from me? o_O
They weren’t ‘threatening his life’, they were attempting to subdue him in the only way they could, and they stopped drowning him as soon as he started to run out of juice
And again, no ‘medical experimentation’, there is no ‘universal power dampeners’ and the only way to keep him calm is to keep him sedated because he’s a danger to fucking everyone!
For all we know, he could have signed a waiver (or whatever) allowing them to use the happy-gas
You need to go back and read the fucking posts: for me, the problem was never about the exaggerated booboo (there is no fat or underlying tissue on the skull to swell up like that), it was about how Sydney was the one who kept bringing that shit up, and, when he went along with the joke (about bringing in Pixelicious) or sought clarity on what she meant by ‘monogamous’, she verbally attacked him!
Your honor, worse things have happened to someone, somewhere, then the abuse the defendant suffered, so we should really just drop the case.
You’re right, I am more concerned about ordinary violence that resembles the sort of casual abuse that people I know have suffered without recourse than I am with violence caused by superpowers happening to people with superpowers.
Medical experimentation without consent is wrong. Assaulting people for no reason is also wrong. Everyone is free to decide what they will discuss, and they don’t need your permission to do it.
The only people ‘creating drama’ were the ones defending the cartoon violence and ignoring the fact that Sydney was verbally abusing Leon for asking questions about something she brought up first!!!
Wrong. There would be nothing to defend if it wasn’t for people making up a bunch of people flipping out over it. On a scale of 0 to chemtrails, just how disconnected from reality are you?
Closer than you, obviously
The comic wasn’t the problem. Stop being dishonest.
If the artist’s intent was what was shown, then the artist’s intent was casual assault with zero justification.
Once again, it’s not the comic that’s wrong. It’s Dave’s casual dismissal of abuse victims that’s wrong.
Cabbages and watermelons.
Clearly Krona has a closet full of identical shirts, just like any super.
Dupe exploit bug
Nah, too mundane. More likely, she hacked the shirt to always be in perfect condition. Keeps the dirt off, and doubles as body armor in a pinch.
the words you are looking for, my dear singed squirrel, are omniphobic mesh. a phrase i recently learned (and totally should have come up with first) from the webnovel i’m 2/3 through.
which is, of course, a fancy way of saying that her shirt just nopes any and all dirt like a 50’s sitcom housewife at a labmouse convention.
Don’t leave use hanging tell us the novel.
I was just imagining what fanfic of the HR department at Archon would look like…
Just imagine they are hiring the imagined hero (or many of the real heros/villains) from worm.
Sup: Nice to meet you… Sorry I’m late.
HR: No problem, but I am a bit tight on time so we will get right to the questions… So why do you want to work here?
Sup: I’ve always dreamed of being a Hero, and I don’t want to get arrested as a vigilante.
HR: So what’s your power?
Sup: I can fly and I have a wind blast
HR: Great… Any limitations
Sup: Well, when I am not flying I kind of have no sense of direction. That’s why I was late.
HR: Oh, I… see… Anything else?
Sup: I’m kind of hard on clothes and have to wear stretchy fabrics. I fly by inflating and then blowing out the air. I make my air blasts the same way.
HR: Ah… I think I have everything I need. I will have to consult with the higher ups. Don’t call us, we’ll call you.
…blowing out…which direction…?
Dear god, I don’t even want to know. Sounds like someone who belongs alongside Arm Fall-Off Boy (who essentially has the power of leprosy) and The Almighty Dollar (who has the power of being able to throw pennies from his wrist).
Not sure if you remember the great “Powdered-Toast Man!” and his means of flight…
You know how Thor flies by swinging his hammer around and being pulled along after it? There was one hero in Penthouse Comix who flew by… Let’s just say it wasn’t his hammer he was swinging. (And yes, he was frequently heard screaming “Oh, God, this hurts!” when he was flying.)
That sounds like his secret identity would be Quagmire from Family Guy.
Giggity!
But I don’t think Quagmire had testicles large enough to swing around like that. (Though he’d probably like you to think he did.)
It’s all in the packaging. For instance, Mr. Fantastic, the Elongated Man, and Plastic Man have very similar powers, with very different character motivations and backstories.
A super-farting based hero? Not so appealing. A super-farting based hero with an ennobling backstory and a patriotic motif?
Our newest defender of freedom and liberty! America’s Ass! :-)
I think the Mystery Men had a farting superhero called The Spleen (played by Paul Reuben, aka PeeWee Herman)
yes. he also played a vampire in Buffy (movie version, i believe)
Best vampire death scene ever.
I think the best vampire death scene was in Batman vs Dracula :)
https://youtu.be/50nd6Rbj-74?t=297
Shame the director/corporate knobheads elected to have the cast ham up the acting. If they had played it straight, like Joss Whedon wanted the movie could have been way better. It was quite enjoyable mind, but compared to the series it was cringeworthy. Despite having some fine actors, such as Rutger Hauer.
Good vampire deaths mind.
“It all started when I was just thirteen years of age. One day while walking with some friends I accidentally cut the cheese. Well, in my adolescent awkwardness, I blamed it on an old gypsy woman who happened to be passing by. Big mistake! The gypsy woman placed a curse upon my head. Because I had smelt it, she decreed that I would forevermore be… he who dealt it!” — The Spleen.
Super Farting Heroes are all the wind!
I mean rage.
The Eternal Flame (Film: Freaked!)
Gasbag (Anime: Bobobo Bo Bobo)
Cutty Flam AKA Cyborg Franky (Anime: One Piece)
The Spleen (Film: Mystery Men)
Powdered Toast Man (Cartoon: Ren & Stimpy)
Yes this is off the top of my head.
Nyan Cat :it farts Rainbows!
It could be worse. It could be much worse. When I was in the military, one of the members of my squad got the callsign “A.B.”, which was short for Ass Blaster. Due to a quirk of his body chemistry, his farts could clear the barracks. There’s an unsubstantiated story that one time while on leave, he got himself a prostitute and went to a hotel. He cut the cheese, and it smelled so bad she got up and left without getting paid.
Wasn’t that the name of the monsters in Tremors 3?
Yes, actually. Or one of the stages of their life cycle, anyway, before they matured into Graboids. But I don’t know if the guys in the squadron got the idea from Tremors or not.
Actually, the ass blasters were the last stage in the Graboid Life cycle.
They’d hatch from eggs into proto-graboids roughly the size of a mature Tuna called sand dragons(From Tremors IV), and would mature into full sized graboids, who would spend their days consuming as much food as possible in order to fuel their metamorphosis into Screachers, who would multiply asexually by consuming whatever food sources they could find. Finally, they would go through one more metamorphosis into the Ass Blasters, who, after consuming enough food, would fly off to new locations in order to lay the eggs that would become sand dragons, and the cycle begins anew.
That’s one of the reasons why I love the Graboid and its different forms. It’s one of the only B-movie monsters that has a fully explored and somewhat believable lifecycles.
The other reason is that as tough as they are, they can still be taken down with sufficient firepower.
Grrl Power comics, where we not only discuss the important social elements of life, we also discuss classical movies with all the nuances within.
Like fart jokes.
Like I said, IMPORTANT SOCIAL ELEMENTS OF LIFE.
“So does Kora only have one shirt,or…”
no this is a second shirt as the one she was in previously had the bottom half of her “pill” design as white.
I figure she bought a set of them with different “Dr. Marrio” colored pills on them because she strikes me as a collector of odd things like that.
It could be that like most all cartoon and comic characters there is a limited wardrobe they have access to.
Heck for all we know she has a ballgown fetish, and a walk in closet full of disney princess dresses, This t-shirt is just something she uses for “work”.
(never mind I just went back and looked over the old pages. I remember it with a black outline and a white half but I see it has been changed to all red OR I am remembering it wrong. either way it does not matter. I’m due to say something foolish anyway.)
2016 Archive pages 481 482 486 & 487 because I like her smile.
Couldn’t Krona “hack” her shirt if she really wanted to?
Could Krona resist the temptation to hack her shirt? … and eye color?
yes, yes, and yes…
she could hack her cloths, page 486 she thinks of hacking the one vampires undies…
she can resist the temptation to do so as she ended up not hacking the her undies to badly…
and it is likely that her eyes were the first thing she ever hacked, so why hack it again.
Yeah, I did a big ‘eye roll’ over the PC comments on the previous page. Look guys/gals, it’s a COMIC for bogs sake and the author is allowed a bit of COMICALLY incorrect PC leeway in HIS universe. I thought it was hilarious.
First, I agree that there was an overreaction. Comparing what happened on that page– exaggerated, cartoonish retribution, I mean when did they even have time to take off their shoes?– to domestic violence was silly, and honestly minimizes actual DV. But at the same time, sneering about “the PC crowd” and declaring that anything is acceptable in the name of humor doesn’t make you seem like anything but someone who doesn’t want social consequences for the things they say. People are free to express their grievances, even if they’re silly, and no creator should be encouraged to just ignore feedback.
It wasn’t an overreaction.
It is if you’re so ^obsessed^ with your initial reaction that you can’t see any ^possible^ outcome that is ^inconsitant^ with said reaction! :roll•eyes:
Funny. I didn’t see many PC comments… except perhaps for the ones dismissing the complaints. What I did see was a number of people discussing RL abuse and calling attention to the fact that it is… politically correct… to normalize domestic violence against males.
I should note: what is “politically correct” tends to change over time. “Politically correct” literally means “what is popular with the majority of people.” It used to be politically correct to physically assault homosexuals for the crime of being openly homosexual (there’s an old Disney comic where Mickey Mouse literally kicks an effeminate male in the ass and screams at him to get out). It used to be politically correct to talk about blacks as a lesser subspecies (LITERALLY. Segregationists constantly spoke of “keeping the streets safe”). It used to be politically correct to refer to Jews as the goblinoid monsters of the world (there are tales by the Brothers Grimm that don’t get shared anymore because they’re so hateful. “The Jew among Thorns,” for instance). In point of fact, the complaints that were made over the previous strip were politically INCORRECT. A challenge to the popular attitudes. Hence the eye rolling and sneering to “shut up and learn to take a joke,” aimed at survivors of sexual assaults and domestic abuse.
Much of the “excessive” reaction was prompted by equally “excessive” counter-reaction and vice versa.
Aside from a few people who stepped in with their first comment for the sole purpose of loudly exiting again, slamming the door on their way out, it was mostly people saying, “A moral line exists”, followed by other people saying, “This is a cartoon, no line exists, and you are a moron”, followed by examples, facts, position statements from both sides as to the existence and position of the line in real life, and whether and how that might relate to the story event.
No one HAD to read the comments. Or the story, for that matter.
Archone – I’d argue that with the exception of the Communists in the early 20th, “Political Correctness” is always used as an attack term to mean strict adherence by an opponent to an arbitrary set of social rules.
Most of your examples would never have been referenced as “political correctness” at the time. For example, pro-homosexual groups would never have labeled assault on gays as “PC”… at best, it would be referred to as a hypocrisy against the stated paradigms of the beaters with regard to everyone else and the rule of law.
Currently, PC is usually defined as “whatever the left are pretending to believe now”, so contemporary PC encompasses the view that claims of sexism (or gender related bias) against men are claims of “REVERSE sexism” and bigotry against whites (or majority-related-racial bias) are claims of “REVERSE racism”… with the implicit caveat that “REVERSE” must be equivalent to “NULL”. Obviously, this label has both the intent and the effect of elevating female concerns over male, and minority concerns over majority, regardless of actual lived experience. Wherever those views gain institutional power, they have eschered themselves into nonsense. (ie, if only females are protected from rape, then by the power-imbalance theory, only rules against males can be sexist…)
Hmmm. Should that be eschered or goedeled?
Given my views as a conservative rationalist, it was therefore hilarious to me to be lumped together with various other posters as both “PC” and “a snowflake”. That novel experience was worth the price of the read, and I’ll treasure it for a long time.
I’ve had people complain about me being politically correct frequently, and while it’s frequently been for statements made supporting “liberal” positions, it has not always been.
The underlying claim that unites all of them were that the people complaining of my political correctness were claiming that I didn’t really believe the position that I was espousing, but was instead just stating it to match my political faction.
This is kind of annoying, because I don’t have one of those. Every political party I’ve ever researched has some good points and a gigantic festering heap of bad points. I understand that one needs to form factions to actually make things happen – not understanding this seems to be the biggest, most serious failing of the libertarians. But in my day to day life, I’m not trying to get legislation passed.
If I wish to improve the world as much as I can, I need to not do stupid shit for the sake of allying myself to some faction. I do enough more stupid shit on my own.
Being able to justify my position without resorting to faction-based arguments has usually been enough to refute PC attacks in real life. But online, that doesn’t work; the experiences and challenges of the people I know including myself and family members don’t matter online, because there’s no way somebody else online can tell if I am representing things correctly. It feels like most people online who call others out for being PC tend to handle this with a perversion of Occam’s Razor: if somebody online reports life experiences that refute my position, they’re probably lying. This sadly means that logic is the way to deal with these people, and they’re sometimes impervious to that, too.
Of course they would never have used the label “Politically Correct” at the time. The term hadn’t been invented yet. Just like the “Where’s the Beef?” meme from the early Wendy’s commercials was never called a meme. But it still describes the concept: something that is politically popular, something that the majority approves of.
I remember reading about the change in race relations between the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. How originally mild prejudices shifted into vicious and fierce ideology as several generations tried to rectify their speech about freedom and liberty, with their ownership of other people. One of the statements made by a relatively poor white southerner (as in, he owned one or two slaves and worked alongside them rather than having a big plantation to lounge on) was about what he would do to any black man who “forgot his place.” It was a very violent, hateful, and extreme statement about basically beating them to death.
…It was also just words. He was engaged in “virtue signaling.” He was reaffirming that he espoused the proper beliefs. He was being… politically correct. Whereas anyone who dared disagree with such attitudes was being politically incorrect. Abraham Lincoln may have won the presidency (it helped that there were FOUR candidates; I’ll provide a link below), but he was also being very politically incorrect – he was viciously attacked in the media and in the public forum, all because he dared to suggest that black people were even remotely equal to whites. Today’s editorial pieces are extremely mild by comparison.
Today, even actual racists preface any hateful statements with “I’m not racist, but…” Because being racist is no longer considered politically correct. Hence the old reactionaries grumbling about how they used to be able to make offensive jokes… because it used to be that anyone who found such jokes offensive were intimidated into keeping silent. As I said before, what is politically correct changes over time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election
I believe the key implication in the accusation of political correctness is that the matter of discussion is factually false, but that the people being politically correct all agree to pretend otherwise.
Well, if people keep talking about that…
My problem about the previous comic was not about PCness, I think the accusation of domestic violence and “they are supers, should not attack a norm” exaggerated.
I just thought that it was not fun (but that ok, Dave, they can’t be all gems) and I didn’t like how they piled up(in a not good way) on poor Leon.
violence… violence can be a lot of fun, when Sydney punched Dabbler because she cast an aphrodisiac/warming spell on her? that I found hilarious (let’s face it. Violence on Dabbler is almost always fun, she usually deserve it, and probably enjoy it, too), but it must be in the right context, it is not enough to make it female on male.
I’d like to see in a future comic a scene like this:
Leon: so, when Sydney asked if we were monogamous, what did YOU thought she was talking about?
Krona: uh.. well… A threesome… ok, look, I’m sorry that i hit you. I was nervous and lashed out.
Leon: aw, it is ok. It isn’t like you really hurt me. after all you are just a girl.
Leon: [from the ground]Yeah, I deserved that.
——–
Now,that, I’d found funny.
edit: there was supposed to be a BONK!!! before the last line. I guess ‘major of’ ‘minor of ‘ symbols mess with the formatting.
Wouldn’t go so far as to bash the whole PC front, but getting that worked up over that level of slapstick, (“Who throws a shoe? Honestly.” – Austin Powers), makes me afraid of what their reaction might be to… say, the Three Stooges.
I used to watch Three Stooges skits (on a local station, back in the days of broadcast TV . . . young whippersnappers, get off my lawn, grumble-mumble :-) ). They made it pretty clear that the Stooges weren’t exactly normal when it came to physical damage. For instance, I recall a scene where Moe attacks Curly with a saw, going back and forth across the top of his head several times. Curly’s obviously distressed by it, but there’s no blood, and when Moe looks at the saw blade, all the teeth are bent and blunted. They regularly get hit with bricks, boards, hammers, get eye-gouged, etc. — all without any actual injury. Curly, when whipped up into a berserk state (“Whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop!”), once charged headfirst through a brick wall. The most painful thing that seems to happen is Larry getting his hair pulled. Like Bugs Bunny and the Road Runner, they exist in a state where violence has no real consequence other than momentary inconvenience.
In the Grrl-verse, they’d be on a level close to Achilles, unable to suffer serious harm from any source. Leon’s got no more protection from shoes, saws, brick, or the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune than you or I do, so the reaction to violence directed at him as slapstick depends entirely on it being distinguished in art style or captioning from a real (in-universe) event. If that visual shorthand falls flat or misses the mark, you get a much different emotional reaction from people who are invested in the characters and story than you do when it hits the mark.
People who are not as immersed in the ‘verse, or tend to distance themselves from fiction more in general, will have a different reaction, since the characters (and thus anything done to or by them) don’t feel as visceral and real to them.
Just my opinion, of course YMMV.
We seem to share the same mileage :)
At least on this road :)
It was Dave’s response, not the comic, that was wrong.
For the record, I only took issue with the assertion that men beat on women more often than the reverse.
It’s the author that’s wrong, not the comic.
You don’t capitalize race/species, but you do capitalize origin. Japanese, German, Klingon, Romulan, Dothraki, Tairen, Narn, Raalgon, Zentraedi (should that second E be in there?), Waterdhavian…
Ooooh. Excellent point.
Um… there IS a difference between BDSM and abuse. The credo of the BDSM community is “safe, sane, and consensual.”
Sure. With different species the definition of safe, sane and consensual may shift. If you got a species like the Klingon who are much more hardcore compared to humans a lot of things that would be unsafe and rather extreme for humans may be normal.
The definition of “safe” or “sane” might shift, but never “consensual.” Even with the Klingons, they draw a clear and unsubtle distinction between “rough sex” and “assault.” And I remember in both TNG and DS9, how Klingon courtship involved a great deal of respect for boundaries and consent (and also how Picard did NOT tolerate anyone infringing on the rights of another and then claiming “cultural values” as an excuse. Especially not aboard his ship).
Klingon is a language spoken in the real world, and those are capitalized.
But only in classical Shakespeare theaters, and who cares about those?
She looks like an angry kitten in the last panel.
Pretty sure Klingon is capitalized because it’s a language. English, Spanish, French, always capitalized.
I’m ready for Cora and Peggy to meet during the party and discuss the possibility of Peggy getting a new leg that doubles as a WMD.
Me likey – I think Peggy and Cora would be best buds actually.
Klingon is also a recognized language, and language names get capitalized.
They literally hired a linguist to make the language :)
My brother had the Klingon-English dictionary.
Pikers.
Tolkien spent decades becoming a linguist before publishing his novels.
Race not being capitialized (human) makes sense when human is the only race. In worlds where there are multiple races, then perhaps it would be approrpiate to capitialize the race names. In any case, I agree it looks better.
Klingon is also the language and language names in English are capitalized.
dang, you got it first.
Heh, dat interception face XD
Klingon is also the name of their language, which is capitalized.
Someone else who remembers Star Frontiers! Never played a Yarzarian… well, to be honest, I never actually got to play Star Frontiers, but I knew the rules backwards and forewards, had a bunch of characters made up, and was working on a homebrew adventure when TSR released Marvel Super Heroes. My gaming group never looked back…
Seriously? 20 minutes of “YOU’RE BACK!” and you only want 200 cc’s of cake?
Would’ve thought more like “two slices”, but….okay, sure…..
About Anvil’s super hug….
I’ve always wondered about how the various SuperWomen can be
simultaneously soft and bullet resistant in the chest area in particular.
(See the Dabbler vs Maxima’s boobs page.)
(https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-592-funhouse-funbags/)
So…. Non Newtonian? Logarithmic deformation force?
I guess Comicbook Physics is involved.
I would guess the deformation is limited. It’s more like the bullet can’t penetrate the skin like with soft armor only better. You need the plate for rifle rounds because they have enough power to get through reasonable thick Kevlar. If you had a better material like Spider silk or something made of carbon nano tubes or so you wouldn’t need the plate that much.
That is also something I had a bit of thought about. If you would live in a universe with secret identity super heroes a lot of them would be identifiable by hugging. Humans are just not that hard.
This image explains it perfectly.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a4e589413e315aef35163e82de171c3c.webp
Thanks.
A hug like seems like it could be a good way to die lol
Like that*
Why would Krona need multiple shirts? She can clean that one with a few button presses, and repair it just as easily!
Some of us like to wear different shirts from one day to the next. How else would people know what webcomics and YouTube channels I frequent if I didn’t display their merch?
BTW is that T-shirt with Sydney on it from https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-61-its-the-one-thing-they-dont-expect/ still available?
She also showed the ability to “swap” clothes at the press of a button and she can alter the color of her hair too.
Honestly she may have absolute design control over her clothing’s appearance.
If this is true, she may just REALLY like this design.
Did they invite Joel to this little party? I’m sure he’s been wondering when Sydney would get back.
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Fools! You have all been distracted by the volume of the cake, but what about its density?! Where on the scale of Angel food cake to ‘isn’t this a brownie?’ does this cake register?
If it were me, I’d be asking for “just shy of chocolate-flavored singularity” density.
So, is that 200ccs of cake her prescription dosage?
It occurs to me that Sydney’s behavior lately might be the earliest stages of an existential crisis, she’s had a few near death experiences (and possibly one actual death experience) and she might be drastically rearranging her normally “conservative” opinions on intimacy and starting a little drama with Krona and Leon because she had the idea planted by her time on Cora’s ship and she subconsciously needs something to distract herself from contemplating her own mortality.
She’s been through heaps of stuff in her very short time with Archon and she definitely hasn’t got the kind of mental discipline and stress management capabilities that Max or Peggy have due to their extensive military experience (and one of them being nigh invincible)
Might be a good idea to have one of those Archon psychiatrists spend some time with her before she has to go out into the field again… but of course this is a comic so fat chance of her getting the time to work through her experiences before those world ending kaiju follow her to earth.
I suspect you’re correct.
Agreed.
How would they follow her to Dirt? First, they would have to know she left Alari Prime (and they would have to have been scanning the other side of the planet at the time she opened the Causeway), then they would have to follow her to Fracture, land and interrogate the residents and police, and only then could they follow Cora the Sexplorer’s ship to Dirt
Assuming their technology limits them to those methods, but we have no idea what the are really capable of or even why they attacked as soon as Sydney used one of her orbs (my theory is that the orbs are like a video game for nth civilization kids and the monsters are the NPC bad guys they fight), they could be over earth right now for all anyone knows, they could have marked Sydeny with some sort of tracking signal or even just started jumping from planet to planet looking for her with their insane FTL capabilities.
They could have originated from Dirt (if we are going to go with WAG’s)
Was going from actual in-world explanations that Causeways a Super-HighTech and usually require and insane-level power-source, and can only be detected while they are open. Cora was only able to detect it because she had deployed a planet-wide sensor grid because she had no idea where on the planet to even start the search, the squids would probably have concentrated their search in the area where Sydney was last spotted, unaware she had the capability to travel fast enough to travel halfway around the planet in such a short time
Again, you are assuming that they are limited to conventional thinking like that, Cora’s ship runs on a different tech level entirely, just because she had to be looking in the right place at the right time to spot Sydney leaving doesn’t mean the monsters had to also be looking. They are clearly involved with the orbs in some way which are super mysterious nth civilization level objects so it’s logical to conclude that the monsters have the potential to operate on the same level in some way, Their capabilities could be far beyond human comprehension so it’s a mistake to think that they have to conduct searches the same way as everyone else, for all we know they can run some 18th dimensional algorithm to analyze potential timelines to accurately chase Sydney now that they are aware that she exists.
Again, going by what was actually said in-world: Cora said that once a Causeway was closed, there is no (known) way of even detecting them
If they can run 18th dimensional algorithm’s, then the know exactly where Sydney came from, and would have already been waiting for her in Dirt’s orbit: no need to chase her
Exactly, once the causeway closes there is no KNOWN way of detecting them, but the monsters and their true capabilities, origins, and motives are entirely UNKNOWN. They could potentially bend reality in ways no one else ever though possible.
As The Daughter Of Tiamat, the Chaos Dragon, I’ll ask her, :)
I’ve got 3 shirts that I have dupes of, so I just have to be careful in which order I wear the 15 or so I own.
Hey, is it just me, or does anyone else find it really wrong to see Dabbler trying to look innocent in panel 3?
As a Succubus she has the ability to look cute and innocent.
I only have black shirts, and 3 pairs of black jeans. I don’t really like altering my look that much. I can tell my jeans apart though, I call them firsts, seconds, and thirds, based on how worn they are.
I pretty much only wear black clothes.
Which means I also have to carry a device for removing cat hairs from clothes, pretty much wherever I go, as I cannot leave my room without kitties rubbing themselves all over me!
After this welcome home bash,Sydney will,no doubt,have to compensate for the time she missed…!?
Maxima already covered this, on an earlier comic page. Sydney will actually be paid for the time elapsed on Earth*, but averaged out between that and the time passed from Sydney’s perspective.
I feel that she should have been paid in full though, because the lapsed time was incurred in the line of duty, rather than by dereliction on Sydney’s part. Just the same as if she had been unavailable for duty due to injury sustained on a mission, or if she had been a prisoner of war, Halo should still be paid in full.
This point though was heavily debated and there was no clear consensus.
* After all she still has to pay rent on her house, as well as all the other bills, whether she was there or not.
Yeah, butt, how much of that time away did Sydney actually experience? That’s where it gets fiddly and why they came up with the averaged compromise
Paid in full. Unless the employment contract stipulated time travel.
In fact, are they going to risk a valuable employee quitting and going elsewhere?
I was thinking of maybe Sydney on KP duty to compensate for the mussed time.., !?
Brought that up before, and people mentioned how they don’t do KP anymore (they have caterers for everything now)
Warning warning warning Sidney may turn into my cat.
She has a built in scritches limiter that will kick in when she gets to many at one time. Do not continue the scritcing once the warning sound goes off, you can gently stroke her to just rest your hand on her and she will return to safe mode. Do not get me wrong she will bliss out to scritches, but as soon as she stops being blissed out . . . Stop scritchin!
It sounds broken. Mine will stay for scritching until I fall asleep!
They are quite patient. They will wait until 6am before demanding that it continue.
You may have heard me lament the loss of City of Heroes here before. Well I am presently downloading the game!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/bfrc9j/server_guide_questions/
There has been nothing comparable to it released since its demise, so this is still the game that I would be wanting to carry on playing through the zombie apocalypse. Hopefully the private servers will be sufficiently robust and remote to survive that or other problems created by the Evil Korean company that killed the game originally.
WHAT THE HELL?? How much is this developed? And…crap…do I really wanna go through the struggle of all my characters and gearing again?
Fully. It is the original game, being run on private servers. So it has all features.
Personally I am looking forward to starting new characters. I never got to try out water archetypes, so that will be a whole new experience for me. I would like to see if I can get a good corruptor build with water as one of the power pools. Failing that maybe a controller or blaster. I love trollers but they do tend to advance pretty slowly, and I would want to get a decent primary character up and running fairly fast.
Once I can solve my screen resolution problem, anyhow.
*sigh*
Technology hates me! I am definitely going to go for a magic origin!
I did a follow up comment, with photos, but it became detached and can be found on the next page of comments.
Yeah, that was mentioned some time ago over on the “DCUO” forums
Never played CoH, butt started CO a number of years ago (didn’t get far, specially after first character wasn’t allowed to keep her gear spent literally hours working on during creation :( )
I can sympathize with that last panel. I’m socially phobic enough I might have the same reaction; I’ve actually fled parties where I was having a good time, just because I’d exhausted my capacity for interacting with other people.
Krona probably has a whole closet of copies of that one shirt. This wouldn’t be the first webcomic to have one of the characters do that, and I’m sure Krona herself has read a few of those.
Maybe the Matrix can only project that one image of her? She will have to use her power to tweak it, like she did when experimenting with alternate hair colours.
You are definitely an animal, you don’t fall into the vegetable or mineral categories.
I have no idiea why that comment showed up here.