Grrl Power #648 – 9th class accommodations
It seems that despite Sciona’s intelligence and planning, she has to keep pushing off her goals. Well, she’s adaptable and patient. Well, she’s not really patient, but she does what she needs to. Determined. That’s the word she puts on her dating profile. Right after “psychotic…ally goal oriented.” Her hobbies include long walks on the beach, slaughtering innocents and draining their blood to power her spells, macramé, and plotting revenge.
I mean, macramé. What a weirdo.
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I’m actually feeling a little sorry for her. Wait, no I’m not!
Well, I feel sorry for her, I’m sorry that she is so so crazy. Or, maybe its that I feel sorry for the victims of the crazy lady.
You think she’s crazy now, wait until the tenants finish moving in.
Sometimes a girl can’t catch a break…
They aren’t moving in. Take another look at the last panel. Her body appears to be dematerializing, which is why she is lamenting just getting it back.
On feeling sorry for her, this is some great writing by DaveB to make his villain relatable. We can see where she is coming from, even if it is evil at its core.
That was my take too (especially with some of the souls already having gone past her). Likewise with your comment about Dave’s writing. He is cunning in how he can give even nasty villains depth.
The ‘acting as a host’ angle does work too mind. If you view the art as Sciona just being obscured by the rush of souls coming out. And make the assumption that they the ones which passed will circle back.
The thing which lends most credibility, to the various folks interpreting it that way, is that the dialogue works with that version too. The meaning shifting though, to indicate that the body will not be hers alone, but shared with all the other Alari too.
I still favour the ‘body being destroyed’ option, all told. But will wait and see, as it could go either way.
Yorp, I agree that the “host” angle would work narratively, but the problem is that the artwork doesn’t support it. If you look closely at the arm that is still there, it appears it is being pulled apart from the end. If the spirits were just obscuring it the edge would be a solid, sharp contrast, whereas here the edge is fluid, like it is being pulled along with the spirits going by.
Overall, it does strike me as ‘being shredded, but without gore’. However there are a number of folks interpreting it differently. We shall find out which is correct, in due course.
Monday will have us switch back to see what Sydney and Co are up to, or maybe see how Morph handled the Boulder to the Face, or even (shudder) what SmugD has been up to :P
I mean, I like smugD (I’m assuming youean Deus) but this really isn’t the time for him. (Well, maybe one panel for a punch line, if appropriate)
Crazy is matter of perspective. The way Sciona treats humans isn’t all that different than the way we treat cattle we want to make into steak, or weeds clogging up our farmland. Seeing how she immediately gives up her newly acquired body to save the last few Alari, she isn’t psychotic or sociopathic, she just views all non-Alari as a lesser class of life. If she is an average Alari, and she can make Maxima break a sweat, then maybe that view isn’t entirely unjustified.
I was feeling sorry for her until I heard that she was into macrime. That just is one step too far…
:-D
Okay, I laughed. A little too much. >.>!
Here are examples of Sciona’s work.
She might go for doing some needlework.
Well now you’re just making me like her more.
Sciona’s Galaxy take note, number 7. Just think of all those lovely Alien Super’s you can possess though.
Or Samsungs’.
Congrats Guesticus, Pander et al (sorry, my issue with names). Y’all called it right!
*wags tail congratulatory*
With what? Her foot fully regenerating (Just taking it’s time)?
Or launching the souls as refugees to Earth?
…Man… She’s gonna be peeved if the portal closes just before they make it.
#6 proposed that:
I only rated this as ‘plausible’. Whereas Guesticus and Pander were enthusiastic supporters of the idea. Seeing that Sciona was just misunderstood and is actually a greater hero than Iron Man.
I may have paraphrased that last line a wee bit.
*stalks off grumbling*
Yes, you did paraphrase, as have never claimed Sci as a ‘hero’
One people’s invader is another’s hero?
Made sense. She was willing to risk her life and not only risk but loose her limbs and the majority of her body just to allow her people to invade Earth. I don’t see why she wouldn’t knowingly and willingly die to save what she can of her species.
Her reaction to her people’s genocide was pretty dramatic. One minute she’s in an all out, to the death battle, the next she’s almost catatonic.
I think the loss of her planet and people just kind of took away her whole life’s meaning. She’d held on, without her body, for all those years with the conviction of her species being the superior one and bringing her people through to invade and dominate those lesser beings who had done it to her and then at the climax her her seeming victory… It’s shattered.
Of her superior species. The only ones she considers her equal and tolerable, she is the last. Doomed to forever be alone save for the company of lesser beings… or she can join them in undeath
[History is written by the victors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-9J3V1bFA).
Doh. Been doing too much Markdown lately.
https://youtu.be/96P47MYipmY?t=2m45s
Oh, good call. And even more eloquent in song.
That was Pander‘s contribution. Albeit that your rephrasing has in turn drifted it from even my paraphrasing.
*whispers in Chinese* 用中文低语
Seriously though you have done a good job Guesticus. From way back before anybody else held it to be credible, you saw that there was more to Sciona, than just the killing we were seeing. Plus you similarly called that she was trying to get back to her homeworld. And stuck to that doggedly.
*wags tail hobbitly*
Didnt say she was a better hero than Iron Man. I said she was as self-sacrificing when necessary, and that Iron Man was not particularly heroic. I wrote out a longer description elsewhere on this page btw :)
Still sounds like you are dissing an iconic capitalist hero!
*swishes tail teasingly*
Nah. I’m being truthful. He is not initially ‘heroic’ as much as he is pragmatic. Which is to say, he is not a perfect person. He is incredibly flawed. Alcoholic. Womanizer. Egomaniac. Sometimes incredibly thoughtless. But that’s also why I like him as a superhero. Because he’s not utterly heroic and a boy scout.
I’ll say it many times – perfect people are boring. It’s the ones with flaws that are interesting – both for villains and for heroes. And heroes can sometimes be villainous (ie, Captain Marvel in the second Civil War series, Iron Man in the first one – at least in the comics version, Batman in Dawn of Justice, Green Lantern in the whole thing with becoming Parallax, Wonder Woman in Flashpoint, Superman in Injustice), and villains can sometimes be heroic (ie, Dr Doom in Infinity Gauntlet, sorta, Loki in Infinity War and Thor 2, Harley Quinn – more times than I can count before she just becomes a full time hero, Catwoman – practically started the term ‘anti-villain’, Lady Shiva – when she temporarily joined the Birds of Prey, Supergirl – during Rebirth).
Tony Stark will do the right thing, but he tries to do it with the least threat of a heroic death as possible. Again, to paraphrase the movie, he’s not the person who will lie on barbed wire so another soldier can crawl over him to safety. He’s the guy who thinks ‘maybe I should use wire cutters to cut the damn barbed wire so we can both get to safety.”
And if he can’t, and can’t put something else on the wire, THEN he’ll lie on the barbed wire if there’s no other way. But he’s usually smart enough to think of another way.
I wouldn’t call her a ‘hero’ so much as ‘a loyal Nazi’.
She’s convinced her race is superior, and all the ‘inferior’ races are just tools to be used and crushed. Of course she’s willing to sacrifice herself for her race if that’s her outlook. But she’d be more than willing to kill and murder innocents just so her people and kill and murder more of those innocents.
Given what we’ve seen of her, and heard from Dabbler about the Alari, I agree completely.
hollywood sci fi conflates “race” and “species”, but there’s no reason we should here. “race” is an arbitrary set of heritable attributes almost exclusively affecting appearance. however, different species, especially from different worlds, may have not any genetic commonalities. thus superior/inferior attributes (abilities, potentials, etc) can be objectively defined and measured as superior or not between unrelated species. whether the measures have any meaning is another matter.
Hollywood gets it right since the proper term for race is equal to species. But since the 17th century the different colors of people were termed races, by the whites who saw themselves superior and there for the best of all races even though they are all the same race. So blame the White Supremacist Maritime Empires for starting that who “white race superior, all others inferior” and just among whites it comes class who rules and the upper classes made it that way and even creates a pseudoscience support it along with a generous interpretation of religion to also support it. So Hollywood did get it right. Dogs and cats or different races, but wolves are closer to domesticated dogs and lions are closer to tamed cats but they don’t mix with wolves and dogs to mate. And it lasted so long that it is still messing us up now in 2018.
She took a energy bolt and a super punch from Maxima and is still going, Alari ARE superior to Humans. They are stronger, faster, smarter and more technically advanced. If Humans discovered a Eden like planet within our technological reach, but most of that planet’s arable land was inhabited by gibbons, don’t think for a second that we wouldn’t massacre a large percentage of their population and that the colonists that did so wouldn’t be seen as “heroes” once the history books were written.
She said “WE” will be invading Earth. She’s not going to die. Although she probably lose her body …
Yorp, I technically didnt say she was a ‘greater hero than Iron Man’ – I said she is probably as self-sacrificing for her people as Iron Man is for his people. Which she is – as we see here. Sure, she’d FIRST see if there’s a way to do things without sacrificing oneself, but that’s just because she’s smart. But for her OWN people, she is noble. It’s just being noble for her own people involves invading our people. Which for us would not be that noble, obviously (although for all we know, she only wants to take over Earth because of her history with the Council – she seems spiteful enough for that).
Also mentioned that as far as heroes go, Iron Man is often not particularly heroic either. He created Ultron. He launched Hulk into outer space and pretty much caused World War Hulk to happen. He was definitely wrong in Civil War (in the comic, not the movie – in the movie he was entirely right). He’s pragmatic, not necessarily heroic. And sometimes when there’s no other choice, pragmatism might involve self-sacrifice.
But yay, I was right about what was going to happen to Sciona. :) You are gracious in defeat, Yorpie.
A movie, which I have seen, trumps a comic which I have not read. :-)
*wags tail conclusively*
I was hardly defeated though. I rated it as ‘plausible’ as soon as #6 suggested it. My only caveat was to indicate that it would require Sciona having different morals, for how she viewed humans (and other non-Alari) to Alari. Because otherwise her past behaviour would make no sense (to canine ways of thinking). The debate over that aspect was subjective, so remains a matter of opinion.
So my ‘plausible’ prediction came to pass, you should be giving me Yorpie Snax, for calling it right too!
*hangs head mournfully*
“A movie, which I have seen, trumps a comic which I have not read. :-)”
Nope, it just means you don’t know the backdrop for the actual story, where Iron Man was almost cartoonishly bad in what he was eventually doing.
That wouldnt work for a movie though – not one where the most popular hero in the Marvel Cinematic Universe IS Tony Stark, thanks to Downey’s portrayal of him. Also thanks to the fact that Civil War was written before a lot of the terrorist threats that we face today were so prevalent. So they had to make Stark’s position more reasonable. :) Honestly, in the comic, I am team Captain America, and think Tony’s a heartless douche. In the movie, I am team Iron Man, and think Steve is a hypocritical and short-sighted moron. :)
“I was hardly defeated though.”
I’m going to take it as you being defeated. Utterly defeated. But with grace. Have another Yorpie Snax.
“My only caveat was to indicate that it would require Sciona having different morals, for how she viewed humans (and other non-Alari) to Alari.”
There was literally no reason to think she wouldnt think more highly of her own people than humans. She wouldnt be expecting them to back her on conquering other planets if they didnt have at least some common viewpoints.
“So my ‘plausible’ prediction came to pass, you should be giving me Yorpie Snax, for calling it right too!”
That’s just hedging your bets :) Not a prediction :) But I’ll give you another Yorpie Snax anyway, because I like ya.
Not to forget, the movie leaves out half of the participants (and possibly one of the real reasons for the Registration Act), the Mutants, which is why so many scoffed at the whole idea of the movie
Don’t see Rogers as being hypocritical at all: he has always fought for his country, not for the government, and that Act would basically make every powered individual part of the Governments’ Sanctioned Hit Squad (Governments, and their agenda, come and go, and The Avengers were formed to help everybody, not just one groups self-interests)
Oooh, Yorpie Snack! Who cares about the other stuff?
*munches away, tail wagging happily*
Yeah, iron Man was definitely in the right. Handing over power of overwhelming martial force to an organization notorious for corruption (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_United_Nations) and abuse was without a doubt the correct course of action and any objections or hesitation whatsoever was probably, I don’t know, super evil or whatever. That Cap, what a monster, just trying to do the right thing as he sees it.
“Yeah, iron Man was definitely in the right. Handing over power of overwhelming martial force to an organization notorious for corruption ”
1) I sense sarcasm.
2) I can’t stand the UN, and think it’s utterly corrupt, but Stark’s basic premise, that people with superpowers needed to be trained and monitored, otherwise they could destroy/take over the world and cause massive casualties, is correct. I just think it should have been something other than the UN to do the oversight. Sort of like SHIELD 2.0 (but with no nazi/hydra infiltration). Maybe SWORD?
“That Cap, what a monster, just trying to do the right thing as he sees it.”
Cap was willing to risk the lives of millions because he was friends with Bucky, who, I remind you, killed thousands of people, including Stark’s parents. You’d think Steve Rogers would have some sympathy with Tony’s stance on this, considering Tony’s father was supposedly Steve’s friend as well. But nah, Howard’s dead, Bucky’s alive, so excuse everything he did. No problem.
See I can be sarcastic too :)
Cap, in trying to do the right thing, was doing the wrong thing, at least in the movie.
Yeah, they need training, butt not a leash which is what was going to happen
What makes you think I’m being sarcastic? I’m a firm believer in the absolute concentration of power. And yeah, we’ll call it whatever we want, training, saftey, health, doesn’t matter, as long as we get all the power in one place, then everything will be great. Really, you’re right, the problem with shield is that they made it with the explicit purpose of being a Hydra front, I mean, that’s what Peggy and Howard Stark wanted from it, so this time we won’t do that, and it’ll be fine.
I mean, your right, someone who’s literally had their body highjacked against their will absolutely needs to be destroyed. That’s dedinitely justice and not petty revenge at all. The most important thing in life is definitely catering to the irrational feelings of rich people.
How heroic Cap is, caught in his lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYu3QdJFG4E
How is it a lie? Did anyone ask Steve who killed Papa and Mama Stark?
People seem to forget, that Zemo was the bastard from the first and second Cap movies, which makes this Zemo just an arsehole out for revenge (who’s dear departed papa was the one responsible for Bucky killing the Senior Starks)
I’m curious how she will look after this.
Soulful.
Ugh that’s awful. Funny, but awful. Have a yorpie snack.
*munch munch munch*
*BUUURP*
…why do I have this strange image in my head that ‘yorpie snacks’ are made from Yorps?
Another fine product from the Soylent Corporation. Where great taste begins with great people.
And they promised that it was a ‘guaranteed weight loss scheme’!
Oh, it is.
https://twitter.com/laurenceparisot/status/1010860216475373568
Nah, they’re snack specifically made for the busy Yorpie on the go.
Batteries included……………Product not.
That reminds me… back in the mid-1980s, there used to be a British firm called “Batteries Not Included” that distributed software for the Commodore 64. Every time I purchased one of their products, I was tempted to check the box to make sure they didn’t include any batteries. ;^)
You can’t say she doesn’t have soul!
Soul Power!!!!!!
Soultry
Or ghostly
I can’t tell if Sciona’s body is being destroyed on contact with the souls, or it’s being sacrificed by whatever she did to break open the battery. Probably the former, but I’m no blood mage.
Sciona is serving dinner tonight. The menu: Soul Food.
or fillet of soul
*snorts out loud*
You’re not going to catch me by surprise!
*dodge roll = 18*
I don’t want this to be my opus either…But if it involves saving Yorp’s life, I’d risk it anyway.
:-D
How heartwarming!
And another bookmark added to my ‘to read’ list.
I’d guess that she did the spells (there are at least two) in such a way that she’ll be along for the invasion of Earth. After all, she does say “we”.
I think she’s serving as a vessel for the souls of the Alari. Basically, she’s going to to be possesed by a massive committee, kind of like Deissac, but with different powers.
Ahh, interesting take. It looks though that the souls are flying past her. But if we view it as a tornado-like effect, with them about to spiral in, that is possible.
Plus the line about ‘I just got my body back’ would still be relevant. However, rather than due to it being destroyed, it would be because she would now be sharing it with a planet’s worth of Alari souls.
That’s pretty much my take – she’ll be serving as a vessel for all those souls until she can ferry them back to earth and figure out a way to reconstitute bodies for them.
I’m wondering how many souls we’re talking here, though. Hundreds, thousands, millions, billions? What is the nominal containment limit of an alien blood magic soul repository?
If we take Dave seriously in his author’s comment from https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/2903 – there are dozens. I usually use 60 as my mental go-to when I hear ‘dozens’, unless I have additional context.
if your race is technically undead do you become part of the undead majority and is that majority part of dead majority… or is each group of undead technically their race? ….. like…what kind of refugee paperwork would they have to fill out? what boxes do they tick?
…. this just got really complicated… is a magically reanimated human skeleton classed under skeleton undead or human undead?
I mean if they got classed under human or humanoid undead then vampires would fall into that grouping too but vampires would NOT like that.
….
oh gawd.. I’ve stumbled into the Gordian knot of PC policies as it applies to fantasy undead creatures!
I believe her classification would be listed as ‘soul survivor’.
+1
Jolly good!
(Now I’ve got that song by Asia stuck in my head)
Whereas it keeps reminding me of ‘the Last Samurai’.
A very good film. I totally forgave it for inserting an American in a historic Japanese story. Although I found it interesting that there was actually a European in a vaguely similar situation (Dutch is my best guess, from my elusive memory on that).
There was a Thor comic back in the Seventies in which Odin had been kidnapped by aliens who actually called themselves the Soul-Survivors.
Art by Walt Simonson, long before his turn as writer. It was pretty good.
The moral here is: Political Correctness is dumb, just respectfully call them as you see them
Politically Correct…isn’t.
Live by that & you can actually get back to actual communication with people again, without sounding like a babbling idiot. There’s no need to get hung up on trying to figure out an oxymoron (emphasis on the “moron” part).
Live long & prosper.
“Politically Correct” these days is a Right Winger’s go to to fill in a blank with a blank reference like putty to fill any hole after talking about not being able to call a Spick or Kike or …you know insulting words by racists. It is used to be cordial and bullies aren’t that way. To them “being true” is to be rude. And that whomever they are attacking is a “weakling” and should “toughen up” to their taunts.
Originally it was used by American Socialists to identify those who adhered to the govt stance on them and it was totally political in reference. Over time it has transmuted in meaning.
What does undead actually mean? It means that your normal biological functions have been changed to a new way of living. In some cases new organs replacing old ones like the heart. Ever see “The Strain” tv series? One of the most scientific and historical takes on vampirism. Those formally dead humans who arise with a new goal in life, to consume large quantities of blood and tissue to feed the parasitic infection that allows them to walk again, but generally just the lower brain functions to operate. Why they tend to be non-communicative. But a few do show tool using and even attempts to communicate if more of the brain, especially the frontal lobe is rare. I call them “ghomzuls” since they are not zombies nor ghouls or anything else I can find. Ghouls feed on long dead carrion not fresh flesh.
…calling it now-munchkins…
Well this looks like it may force the issue on government reveal of extraterrestrials and the supernatural.
A resigned sigh?
I thought for sure there would be wailing, gnashing of teeth, unearthly moans and howls as the many, many … spirits in the soul battery fled and tore through Sciona like paper…
Resigned is a good description – she thought she had just reached her long-awaited goal of admitting an invading army to Earth, and instead finds she has to take several steps back (including losing her body again) to start building up the army instead of leading it to victory.
I think there’s a pretty good chance that the released souls will follow her goals; if she wasn’t pretty sure of that, I doubt she’d sacrifice herself for them.
Here’s to hoping that she just killed herself in the process and all the souls in there belonged to kind-hearted children who’ll end up been well taken care of so that they come to love Earth and all it’s people
*Consults magic 8-ball*
“Outlook not so good.”
Welp, there you have it.
Figures…
Yes, Sci had a great figure, it will be remembered fondlingly
If her (massively multi-possessed) body manages to make it back to Earth, I imagine that a follow-up encounter with Deus will be all KINDS of ‘awkward’, to say the least…
…unless he decides to view it as a chance for a “so-much-more-than” 3-way…?
Considering she wasn’t interested in that ‘encounter’ the first place time, why would be interested in a ‘follow-up’? o_O
She wasn’t interested in it, at first. Afterwards, we can readily infer that, Sciona wanted a repeat experience. Sciona’s coy ‘Finish your drink’ refers back to Deus’s play on ‘give it to me’, so is a subtle way of indicating she wishes to continue.
On the next page though she blatantly indicates that she wants to keep Deus as a sex slave. So Sciona wants a lot more than just ‘a follow up’!
Wow! Guessing the same reasoning for how ‘keep you as a pet’ equates into ‘sex slave’ is the same reasoning that “Whatever makes you think I would sully my newly perfect body” equates into “I crave sex!!” or how “you are long lived, but only very slightly harder to kill” isn’t a threat
Now now. There is no reason to distort the facts, to try and support your old gripe!
I did not claim that:
My opening line acknowledged that “She wasn’t interested in it”. It is disingenuous of you to try and claim that means anything else!
Further both the other lines you quote you purposely distort by cutting off parts which change the meaning. I refuse to rise to the argument on your ending point. It is boring, insulting to the author and even more anti-social every time you keep dragging it up!
However I will address the point you make about:
A purposeful distortion. Because the true quote is:
Which any reasonable person would accept does equate to ‘I’ll keep you as a sex slave.’
I made my arguments in good faith. I would appreciate if you do not try to twist my words into other things. Likewise if you can stop trying to keep dragging up a points to support your own bizzare interpretation of the sex scene.
I’m here to enjoy myself, not to hear someone keep trying to force their headcanon onto the community! You voiced your opinion. We disagreed. Keeping on raising it will not make us change our minds. If you want to upset me, keep doing that! But I’m asking you to kindly stop.
How does cutting off “… than a human” stop it from being a threat?
If Sci had said “I’ll keep you as a pet in my bed.” then it would mean as a sex slave, butt she didn’t, so it doesn’t
As I indicated any reasonable person would consider what you said and what was in the comic to be synonymous. I appreciate that you are not though, as you have used the same nonsensical argument with various other people before. You never convinced them and you are unlikely to convince others either.
There is no reason to stipulate ‘in my bedchambers’ otherwise. You are simply arguing over semantics and ignoring the blatantly obvious intent. This stems from you having fixated on Deus and Vale raping Sciona and refusing to allow anything which contradicts that.
As you know that you are alone in maintaining that, I do have to ask why you persist in being so anti-social and trying to force your headcanon onto the rest of the community? What purpose are you trying to achieve? What is your goal?
Do you:
1) want the author to re-write the comic to make it an actual rape, so that everyone else will see it the way you do?
If so you are being extremely hypocritical, as you long championed that readers should not push the author to change the story.
2) convince everybody else to change their minds and agree that you are right?
That is not happening. Ever. You are absolutely delusional in your interpretation!
3) Troll everybody and turn the comments section toxic.
You are succeeding! You are making it extremely unpleasant every time you insist that the story is being driven by a rape scene. This is not one of your rape fantasy comics. The author did not write it that way. The rest of the readership have not taken it that way. We are accepting it the way the author intended and the way it appeared in canon. Yet you keep violating our enjoyment by bringing up your sick headcannon on a non-stop basis!
You are a valued member of the community, in other regards. Offering good insight and useful replies. But this particular issue is making you more and more unwelcome as far as I am concerned. We are here to have fun, not to be trolled.
Having to endlessly debate about a non-existent rape is sickening and I don’t want to have to do it anymore. If you had any care for other reader’s feelings you would stop forcing that upon us. I don’t want to have to keep countering your disinformation. And I imagine everybody else is fed up with it too.
I appreciate you are sincere in your belief mind. But that does not equate to wanting to keep hearing you push it.
It’s not me, dear puppy, who is trying to hide what it is and make it a rape fantasy
All have been doing is attempting to show that Sci was forced into accepting the terms: yes, she agreed, butt reluctantly after being threatened by Valeur
You claim that it is me who is insisting on it being about sex, when repeatedly stating how it merely indicates turning SmugD into a slave with no sex involved. Shirley, if was so fixated on SmugD raping Sci, wouldn’t it be the other way around? And everyone else saying ‘just a slave’ and me saying ‘sex-slave’?
So, tell me again, who is it that has the rape fantasy? o_O
And don’t worry, will show self the exit as this comic was better off without me anyway
By the way, it is not me who keeps referring back to that scene first
In point of fact, do you know what is a truly sickening fantasy? One where the victim, who isn’t interested in sex (typically, butt not always, a woman), is forced (through whatever means you like: bribery, force, trickery, mind-control, take your pick) to have sex and they end up liking it so much they want it to continue!
The comic has been enriched by your presence in other regards, as I said. So I would not ask you to leave. However if you feel that you are unable to control yourself from arguing the case endlessly, it would be noble of you to consider that, for the harmony of the community. I would miss you though bud!
Although the Sciona arc is drawing to an end, so you could consider just biting your tongue on this one topic? Thus you would achieve the same harmony whilst continuing to enrich the community. There should be a reduced instance of people mentioning Scionia, once this is over, so it should be easier to resist the temptation.
Your last post was not visible as I wrote my reply. That is a relevant subject for debate, and which we did discuss, on the relevant comics. But as I say I have grown weary of debating the general topic with you. Others may want to respond on that, but you can count me out.
This is such a strange line of thought. You can’t rape someone who can kill you and get everything they want from your dead body. Vale was a tough obstacle, sure, but I’m confident the genius blood mage could have worked her way around a spooky ghost lady. We only know after the fact that Dues even had any knowledge that she needed, otherwise going in it looked like killing him and negating his body guard would have sufficed.
Why didn’t she do that? Simple, of her three options (that I’m aware of), sleeping with Deus had the greatest expected value. She also could have magiced up 80million dollars worth of gold, or done a little study and prep work and killed him (or at least made a real go of it). The other two would have taken longer, so were arguably more risky, but she’s an immortal demigod warmonger, so a little physical danger is part for the course for everything she does.
Is respecting people’s choices really that alien of a concept for you?
While your interpretation of events relies on a baseless and somewhat contradicted assumption of Sciona’s relative power level, I agree with the general sentiment.
Sciona made a decision which, despite its questionable circumstances, was entirely her own. She was free to leave and not get what she came for. Or to attempt some other means of barter.
And as for the reminder of her mortality, that was something of a running joke at the time and an implied brag by Deus as to the power that he weilds. You know, the supervillain equivalent of flashing your cash to impress.
Yes, it does come with baggage because it IS a threat but that’s not its only purpose and, let’s be honest, Sciona needs as many reminders not to kill people as she can get.
Whether enjoyed rape is a more twisted fantasy than its unenjoyed counterpart is something that I’d rather not debate but there’s not really any reason for me to do so anyway. The scene being referenced was neither. It was a “mutually beneficial agreement” with a rapid and somewhat hard to believe change in viewpoint, wherein Deus somehow managed to skyrocket his perceived relative status enough to convince her without force.
There were things wrong with the situation but it wasn’t rape.
Well, when was able to go, well, not to toe toe, but at least take a few hits without exploding from Maxima, so I’m not sure her ability to fight past Vale and kill Dues is entirely baseless. She doesn’t need to actually kill Vale, or even incapacitate her, to accomplish her objective (of killing Dues). Now, saying she could rummage through his stuff and find her thing (if we pretend it was still there) was being a little to generous on my part. I could certainly believe that sciona would believe it, but it probably wouldn’t go off without a hitch, assuming she could succeed at all.
Otherwise, yeah, she did give in a little easy for someone who seemed so above it. Of course, she did state her objections while at the same time stripping nude, which independently usually indicates some interest (excluding obvious exceptions). I don’t know if I really buy her as the anxious to sex type though, so perhaps we’ll just chock that up to authorial preference (i.e he likes sexually forward women, so he projects that preference on to his characters without making sure to “earn it” (i.e. consistently portraying it)).
It could also be that Dave was trying a little too hard to work in the “Deus is a sex good(metaphorically)” angle.
If viewing the scene in isolation, I agree. However don’t forget that Sciona had been living for an extended period with her Alari head grafted on to a male orc body!
Further, when she used the artefact to restore her Alari body, she revelled having achieved that and showed off her naked glory. Then, to cap it off, she upped her bust size. All of this paragraph indicating that she was not enjoying her time as a male orc and was glad to be female again.
It was not a voluntary gender reassignment, rather it was an emergency grafting of her head onto whatever body was available. As that did not match her gender identity, it is unlikely that she will have been having sex. Or if she was, clearly it was unsatisfactory, as she was so keen to escape that body.
Just think about what most prisoners fantasise about, when confined in prison, for months or years, without conjugal rights. Sciona was a prisoner in her own (temporary) body! Deus had (correctly) deduced that getting sex was a very high priority for her, at that point.
So all he had to do was remind her of that, and point out that he was more than adequately equipped to give her a good time.
Wouldn’t that all be for not if the portal closes? Also to Yorp, I don’t think the Xenovarchy destroyed Sciona’s people, I think the only reason that mecha monster and its ship are attacking Sydney and her team is cause they are witnesses to the act why else would there be a drone there? It would of alerted its creators that there were still survivors that need put down or witnesses that came upon the scene. The mother ships’s destructive power clearly indicates that it wiped her people out given the craters and destructive power, Dabbler herself said the Xenovarchy wouldn’t do genocide to this extreme but merely reduce Sciona’s people back to the industrial age.
Portal close? Nah. Achilles will just stick his arm through it or something. Then it can’t close – at least, not until something pushes his arm out of the way.
I think that isn’t how it works, that might ACTUALLY be the only thing that can harm Achilles cause it would cut his arm off that or the force would fling him out.
all for naught, meaning nothing. Rather than “not” a linguistic negation.
Yeah yeah, me dumb dumb cause me no speak English right. Me dumb dumb and wander around with the attention span of a nat.
Had a friend gnamed gnat.
And now I want to re-watch the Gary Gnu Show clips…
Gary Gnu Snu Snu?
For those who don’t know, “Gary Gnu” was a “newscaster” from a kid’s show (which I used to watch) called The Great Space Coaster, from 1981-1985.
His catchphrases were, “There’s no gnews like good gnews with Gary Gnu”, and “the only TV gnews program guaranteed to contain no gnews whatsoever.”
Always believed he was on The Muppet Show
It doesn’t surprise me that you would think so. The series was co-created by Kermit Love (original Muppet designer and builder for Jim Henson) and Jim Martin (who later went on to work on a number of Henson-related projects including Sesame Street). So there would naturally be a lot of stylistic similarities.
(I hope this doesn’t double-post.)
I’m not surprised that you would think so. The series was co-created by Kermit Love (original Muppet designer and builder for Jim Henson) and Jim Martin (who later went on to work on a number of Henson-related projects including Sesame Street). So naturally there would be a lot of stylistic similarities.
If you suspect a double post may happen, just go to the next/previous page (comic or comments) and back again.
Pain in the butt, however it works.
[Yorp]:
Thanks – I wasn’t aware of that trick.
That’ll be most helpful.
You can usually tell when a double post might happen: if, after you hit the “Submit” button it takes you to the top of the page and your post doesn’t appear
For me, usually just scroll down to where the post should have been and either wait a few minutes and refresh or just refresh a few times (or simply not bother and continue on as thought the post did go through)
Don’t believe Galactic was calling you dumb
If the attacker was just worried about witnesses, it probably wouldn’t have bothered scanning them before summoning the screwship and the mecha down.
Although, that does give me a new theory about the final orb – it’s a pensieve! Or at least a black box recorder for the orb explorer kit / port-a-spaceship. Having a detailed recording makes all kinds of sense, and irrefutable audiovisual playback would be very useful to the analysts back at base (and very damning in a testimony before the Xeovarchy).
That is a clever line of reasoning. Very well supported by your arguments.
Given that the story very often does have surprising twists, you may have picked up on the actual situation. The scanning and abrupt cutting off could be a red herring.
Justification could be found for the latter, in that a scout is required to advise its leadership of the disposition and apparent capabilities of any forces it spotted. As soon as it realised that its scanning was being blocked (in part) it would have realised that any report it sent would be compromised by the data gaps, so the risk of delaying (and possibly being attacked), to complete the scanning, was no longer justified.
Bravo!
Gee thanks…. >.< I only came up with that when I was thinking why would an enemy use an overwhelming amount of force just to wipe out a small group of people. The drone scanned cause its creators were probably checking the planet making sure that they looted all they could and to silence any survivors by putting them down, when the drone scanned and realized Sydney and co were NOT its creators it realized they were witnesses, probably didn't react to dabbler cause they probably GOT a succubus on board their ship but when it scanned Sydney it realized she was human and they would report what happened to the Xenovarchy it sent an emergency signal to the ship to indicate that they saw what they shouldn't have and need to be eliminated before they could report back.
Sciona made the portal in the first place. She could likely stop it from close and return it to it’s original size.
ArcSwat members (even Dabbler) know very little about this portal compared to Sciona.
Macramé? Are you sure you don’t mean macabré?
Who said that you can’t make a macabre macrame?
You can. Plus it can be done in a disturbing way.
Ahh, I was afraid that the hotlink to the latter photo would be blocked. It was more striking to link to the image in isolation though, but can be seen in a less dramatic way here.
You know, if you tilt your head, it turns into a game of Space Invaders.
It IS a game of Space Invaders. Complete with alien ship flying overhead! Sydney needs to set up a platform for Dabbler to stand on and fire at the incoming waves of Alari.
Obviously she will have to use soul-penetrating ammunition.
Super Hiro can do the beat-box music impressions, to provide the right sound effects, to get the ambience right. If Dabbler falls, then Maxima and Halo can provide the extra lives, to keep the game going.
Surely Krona would be better suited to provide the lives? Plus, since the Alari’s emmisary is council enemy number 1, she probably would get involved.
I was just going by those present.
Wow so now you’re going to take as many Souls into your body as you possibly can and then Retreat to Earth so that you can take local life forms over a remodel them into your own species 2 rebuild your loss people?
So is she going to go by legion after this? This also looks rather familiar as well… A bit like Vale in this one.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/2756
With her ego I’d expect something like Supremor. The Supreme intelligence according to Marvel’s Earth X or was it Universe X was a amalgamation of The Souls of the Kree. Sciona has just become her races own version of this.
Not really surprising. I more have to question what her game plan is now. Especially so after the refugee part.
See, even Chaotic Evil people can be good if they want.
Of course they will tend to do it in an evil way, if that is expedient.
(Max replies on yesterday’s comment – had to comment here)
Again – ideas do not work like that. You can not patient a concept. Even if you could, it would be counter-productive to patient a political concept. You want AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE to at least be aware of your basic idea. You also want as many people as possible to have deep knowledge of your concept and be working up local systems to use said concept.
Political systems don’t work in secret. Political concepts don’t function with a single user, or single system. The entire point of politics is a bunch of people working together to get goals done. (Or at minimum – not interfering with each other too much) And the larger the group, the more important it is to balance “listening to people” with “actually getting stuff done”. Surveys are a classic example of how to listen to as many people as possible with minimal effort per person. Riots are another example of using group effort to make a statement. (There is a legit question as to the relative effectiveness of surveys and riots)
If your book is about a political CONCEPT – then you don’t actually need to provide perfectly working systems in it. Just ‘samples’ of potentially working systems. And you will probably want to illustrate at least three scales of said concept – city, state, country. You can even go as small as a single school/business or as large as National Diplomacy.
Hope that helps your book.
Yup, pretty much what I said. I don’t want to patent the concept. I do want it to be spread to as many people as possible.
Although I did not suggest that political systems should operate in secret. Merely that it is not always wise to mention political negotiations in public. However that can be politically expedient at times. In this case, name dropping Number 10 gave me a much needed ego boost, and I felt that it should not do any harm. Given my intent for this all to be put in the public arena in a few days time.
I went with the United States as an example country. However I chose not to break that down to state level, as most other countries do not work in such a complicated way. Rather I have moved discussion of that into a separate document specifically dealing with the United States. Which also allows me to discuss other opportunities available for them.
Likewise for any discussion of solutions for specific problems around the world. Tibet, Ukraine, Catalonia and so on. Essentially each was a small chapter. However even when I only had a few examples I found my proof-readers and test audiences were ‘crossing the streams’ and mixing up issues.
You can apply the concept in different ways for different problems. How you provide a solution, for a population demanding independence, is different to how you might allow a nation which has lost its country to rising sea levels to retain its sovereignty.
The same tools would be used, but you need to handle them differently.
Hence why I put the specific examples in separate documents. Whilst keeping them brief, to be as accessible to as many people as possible.
Plus I am not an expert politician, sociologist, economist or (where relevant) theologian specialising in any of those regions. So describing the basic framework, and pointing out ways that the big issues might be handled, is best done generally as possible.
However it was necessary to show that the model can be applied to a broad range of issues. In order to properly convey that it does fix the flaws in democracy at a fundamental level.
Thank you kindly, for your input.
I like Sciona’s expression in panel two. A very soulful gaze.
Well…
Not what I’d expected. Not quite what I imagined either. There are a lot of ways this can go down now. I’m excited!
I like the “unravelling”, it looks neat.
DaveB’s blog: “I mean, macramé. What a weirdo.”
I think needlepoint would be more Sciona’s style…
….Where is she going to find bodies for all those souls?
Funny thing is they might let them in as refugees. Not all at once of course and some might serve time for crimes committed but what is time to a disembodied spirit? Alari in a jar anyone? Better than a genie and with 1000 years to go on her sentence the humans will have technology able to deal with her when she gets out barring penalties for future misbehaviors such as backtalk and refusing to do what she’s told because it offends her sense of superiority. While she’s in there of course she will be subtlety reprogramed toward positive use of any powers she has left. She go even get out early if she actively works toward that goal.
Is this the last appearance for Sciona?!?!?
shouldn’t she be missing a leg?
She was regenerating it fast, and it looked likely she had finished regrowing it well enough to stand on, in previous comics.
Although without a clear shot, of her foot, it was possible that she was cheating, by hovering to stay upright (her wings do not flap, so she can do that without it standing out). However this page has confirmed that the simpler answer was the correct one.
So she managed to regrow her foot, boot included? Convenient regeneration ability.
She is barefoot. Just compare her feet, hands and face. They all match her skintone.
Her body is arguably a bit paler from draining a good portion of her own blood as well.
So all these souls are rushing towards the closing portal, looking desperately for a body to possess …
the first one they can find, probably.
I wonder who they might come across?
Wouldn’t it be funny if the portal aperture had drifted to a maximum security prison?
Lol.
Not quite what I was worried about mind.
And so we find that Sydney’s final ball is the SOULSUCKER 3000 !
Maxima did speculate that it might be a brig.
At first I found it odd that she would find something so important within walking distance of where she landed. Then I realised she was probably trying to open the portal straight to her boss’ HQ
I want to know why Earth has any worth?
For our water.
Clearly you want to get spanked by Dabbler!
And you wouldn’t? o_O
:-D
It has a wormhole going to it. Any other inhabited planet will be a long long long way away otherwise.
Sciona heard about the ‘Miss Universe’ pageant, and she decided to have it live up to its name.
Reasons Pre-Cataclysm:
1) Can’t have too many disposable blood bags if they are a blood magic race or their leaders are.
2) The way she was talking about unlocking the secret of Earth’s supers, and her generally surprised and annoyed attitude towards their abilities, suggest neither they nor any of the species they conquered have them. “Normal” supers with more spontaneous power development (meaning ones who didn’t directly get their powers from an artifact, unique compound exposure, space egg or other phlebotinum) may be a limited resource in the galaxy.
Reasons Post-Cataclysm:
3) Now her people need bodies(?) and Earth has a lot of intelligent(?) beings who have been kept in the dark that powers like hers/theirs even exist let alone been told how to defend against them. Sooo Earth = A lot of adult bodies with largish brains, opposable thumbs, hot and cold running liquid & fixed assets and the defenses of a very small child… with shiny disorder…
4) She seems to spend a lot of time preparing and plotting. Could be she has a lot of those advanced MechaBloodGolemWhatevers back on Earth in various bases just waiting for a superior race to take the wheel… not to mention the bases and any henchbeings themselves. I mean, all her stuff and therefore all THEIR stuff, which isn’t a crater, is on planet Earth. (I mean her collection of kitten themed tea plates alone… )
5) Weeell, um, pretty much ANY planet is starting to look pretty awesome compared to a completely trashed dump being patrolled by massively superior enemy forces.
Oh, Trump’s going to be mad.
Also, isn’t this how Scientology started or something?
Well they are illegal aliens …
P.S. anyone tempted to reply, please keep the comments light. This is a real touchy subject at the moment. We don’t want to drag heavy politics in.
I think most Scientologists were born here.
Indeed, heavy politics is no fun (okay maybe a little sometimes). Far better to make light of the gravity of the situation.
Space Force needs a Space Wall!
…and make the Alarans pay for it?
You’d hope he’d be a least a little perturbed that an army of evil spirits was invading.
Doesn’t matter though, because the president at this time is Borrok Ubama (the legally distinct 44th president)
Apart from such a beautiful image in panel two, it also reveals that the Earth Invasion Plan was not solely Sci’s plan
I’m not sure who all decided to give the green light on the invasion plan.
“OK people, here’s the idea. I want to invade a planet defended by large standing armies, nuclear weapons, a variety of supernatural and magical creatures, a scattering of resident off-worlders and their technologies, and a relatively unknown group of natives with a range of highly destructive powers that defy the laws of physics. All in favor say ‘Aye’.”
Maybe they like the challenge?
The greater the risk, the greater the reward. Heavy industry, nuclear power, and magical/supernatural power are all really useful if you control them.
Sure, a planet of Neanderthal-level humans would be far easier to conquer, but aside from completely unskilled heavy labor what are you going to do with them? And even that can be done faster, better, and cheaper by simple robots. Either you find an uninhabited/unadvanced world to expand onto or strip-mine for resources unchallenged, or you attack someone worth conquering and controlling who will produce more value than the cost of winning the war. Simple economics, you can’t keep funding your wars and lifestyle otherwise.
The problem is, given the technological disparity, from a resource perspective the earth might as well be completely abandoned, but from a conquest perspective, nukes are still likely to hurt.
I have never understood this commitment to only expanding onto planets. I recently, due to a fuss in another place, calculated the years of ore equivalent of a single known metallic asteroid. It was about 10,000 years of Earth’s production total at this time. Which is the highest in all history.
It would be a very short time of watching the “belters” become insanely wealthy and we’d all be moving. The future contains the final gold rush, the one that never ends. The OORT cloud has a trillion times the resources of the asteroid belt, and the tween spaces are, apparently, full of chilly planets.
The Never Ending Gold Rush – there are ten million stories about that, just begging to be told.
The first corporations to get a viable mining operation going will have the easiest pickings too. Because there are a number of bodies passing Earth periodically. Pick out one of the juicier ones, with lots of minerals, and precious rare earth elements. Divert it enough so that it is captured by either the Earth or the Moon’s gravity well and brought into orbit.
Then nudge it until it ends up coming to a halt in the L1 (Legrange) point, where the Earth and the Moon’s gravity cancel each other out. At that point you have all the raw material you need to build a massive space station (perhaps utilising the very tunnels used to mine out the metals and minerals).
Selling the precious minerals would raise more wealth than any person has had on Earth. Ever.
Which would finance being able to bring up anything else that may be necessary to become totally self-sustaining. Keeping the costs down though by diverting ice heavy bodies, in the same way, to supply water. Likewise other types which have many of the organics necessary for farming.
And we are on the cusp of that now. So it is passing from science fiction into science fact.
Well there are two interesting locations for galactic mining op.
The solid diamond planet slighty bigger tan earth
The site of the double neutron collision frrom just last summer we witnessed. That one produced gold on earth sized scale as well as similar sided deposits of uranium etc
Sadly the famous ‘diamond planet’ has been downgraded from what it was originally described as (albeit that it still may contain diamonds, it is not likely to be one big diamond).
The plus side though is that diamond heavy planets are actually pretty common, and we very likely had one in OUR solar system. So pertinent for mining remnants of it, which we may find in our lifetimes.
Barring Zephram Cochrane whipping up a FTL drive for us though, we won’t be able to do that for the latter planet you described.
It does make me wonder if supermassive neutron stars (we know of a couple) can produce elements even further up the periodic table?
And whilst we are at it …
First generation stars were those in the early universe composed mostly of hydrogen and other simple elements. When those died and created the heavier elements, then the second generation stars (like the Sun) could be formed.
So will we see a third generation of stars, when there are enough concentrations of really exotic elements to make types of stars which we do not see in the second generation population?
3 diamond planets + 2 uranium planets + 2 gold planets + 1 unobtanium planet + big cloud of the usual star-forming stuff = ?
“OK people, here’s the idea. I want to invade a planet defended by large standing armies, nuclear weapons, a variety of supernatural and magical creatures, a scattering of resident off-worlders and their technologies, and a relatively unknown group of natives with a range of highly destructive powers that defy the laws of physics. All in favor say ‘Aye’.” – O. B. Juan paraphrasing the imagined Alari High Command
I’m not sure whether we’ve had a definitive answer for when Sciona’s advance party kicked off the attempted Alari invasion, but Earth was probably a much softer target at the time.
The reaction of the Council to Sciona’s presence implies that defeating her took a significant effort, and the fact that ARC were unaware of this implies that it happened before they were firmly established. I’d expect the Council (or its predecessors) to have been in backroom contact with Human governments for centuries at least (even if the USA-centred plot means there’s not that depth of ‘local’ historical continuity to tie into), and that records of major adversaries would be fairly open for reference. So the initial Sciona event probably takes us back into the 1700s or even earlier.
When nuclear weapons become a decision factor depends on whether you go by actual detonation (USA, 1940s), early mentions in fiction (Wells, 1900s), or sufficiently complex delivery systems to concern the Alari (define ‘sufficiently’). Whichever you choose, almost certainly a post-decision development.
Large standing armies have been around for a lot longer, but again the technology and training have advanced massively in barely a century. If the Alari decision was based on data as recent as Napoleon’s legions and Nelson’s navy (early 1800s), or even Rommel’s tanks and Trenchard’s fighters (1940s), they’re in for a bit of a shock.
Supers are also a relatively recent development, at least in significant enough numbers to be an issue. It’s only in the past few years that they’ve become prominent enough for ARC to be formed, after all.
Off-world visitors are presumably more common in more advanced civilisations. How early they start to become a significant factor depends on many things, but I’d bet there are more sightseers in Halo’s New York than there were music lovers in Bach’s Saltzburg. And as well as the numbers, one must take into account the diplomacy option: given the option of leaving in peace as neutrals and coming back once the dust settles, how many would choose to fight for someone else’s world?
Native Supernaturals are a harder group to judge, largely for lack of in-comic information, so I’ll have to leave those as an unknown. We don’t know when they became a coherent enough body to act as one on invasion matters, rather than having sufficiently divergent factions to play off against each other, but the whole-Council verdict on Sciona suggests the invasion was after that point.
Somehow, I always knew macramé was powered by the blood of innocents.
I feel sad that she’s losing her body :(
Cheer up, her people will be gaining seven billion more shortly.
She wandered off IIRC in the opposite direction of the portal so how far is she, and the soul battery from it? At this moment, hopefully, Syd has dropped her shield and the team is jumping through the closing portal… effectively trapping the alari souls on their dead planet once the portal collapses fully.
*crosses claws hopefully*
I wonder what the top speed of a soul is?
If it exceeds light speed then they would be in demand in the communications and space exploration industries.
It would depend on if it was unladen, and whether it was an African or European soul.
Nothing heavier than a coconut.
We are many. We are Legion.
We are Bob.
Hi Kate.
She looks tired. She could use a vacation, and a new line of work.
At a blood bank with an employee discount.
Lead Blues singer on Soul Train.
“Just lost my planet, after getting my bod.
Did the nasty with a dictator, just to finish a job.
But that ain’t ain’t nothing. like the noontime bunch.
Got 5 billion opinions, just to choose my lunch.
Oh baby, I got the possession blues.”
* cringes* sorry I hadda do that. …. and I don’t care! >:p)
Brew master might also be a good choice… what with all those spirits on tap.
That stuff always gives me gas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nN90-yljaY
Doubt Earth the real target of the world invasion to begin with. However; it is her best option ATM too. It could also mean a sudden influx of Alari technology for Earth, as well as a source of renewable blood to offload her ‘passangers’
Since its looking like a cool insane individual hive mind is not on the menu how about a good old round of “Everybody has their mind switched with the baddies but the new recruit nobody believes!”? Where each member of the exploratory mission has their minds suppressed by a legion of aliens each “led” by a superior ranker in their government/army/etc…
I’m just kind of in a hive mind mood these days. (All those minds like mental bees in your brain hive. I wonder what brain honey tastes like?)
If they do the whole planet up with body snatchers then they’ll probably have to use The Sigils to anchor a planet wide exorcism/banishment spell.
Anyone else notice that one of the skulls flying out of the soul battery in the last panel looks like Papyrus from Undertale?
If Sciona makes it back through the portal and gets captured by ARC the resulting legal fight is certainly going to be fun…
Not only did her foot grow back already, but her costume regenerated with it.
Sciona’s foot was cut off below the bottom of her outfit. It is clearest in the final panel linked.
As she was barefoot there was no clothing damage.
Noooo not the one(of many) supernatural beauty!!!!!!