Grrl Power #578 – Crane shot bust
For those wondering when Valen got there, I think I only drew him on one page, right when they arrived. Oh, here too. He just never factored into the pages before now, and sometimes I have to be a little economical about how much background stuff I draw. But yeah, he was there, as part of the Council Seat quorum needed to open the Vault.
I think every time I draw Max’s hair outside of her hat or a tie, it gets wavier. Not sure why, I guess straight hair is less visually interesting to draw. I think I’ve hit peak wave though, I’m not about to stray into curls with her.
Some people will invariably feel the need to point out that Maxima is being a bit of a hypocrite, as she ogles dudes all the time. Of course, she’s not leaning way in to their personal space when she’s doing it, which is her primary complaint here. Her M.O. is to do it from a distance (usually while tittering with female coworkers.) She knows dudes look at her and make all sorts of comments. Probably some women. People are people after all. All she asks is just don’t do it within her (potentially superpowered?) earshot. Or literally lean over her trying to get a better angle.
The difference between a woman doing it to a man and vice versa is that women generally don’t see a guy walking down the street and yell “Hey nice package! Why don’t you come over here and deliver it to my inbox!” Where as women have to put up with that shit ALL THE TIME. On the street, at work, not at work, playing games online. Playing games. What do these dudes think is going to happen? The woman will get turned on by their questions about carpet/drape coordination and boob size queries and be so overcome with lust tingles that she’ll hop in her car and drive across a city or states just for a chance to wreck that dick? I doubt it’s so calculated, it’s just Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory in action. (Time hole warning; TV Tropes link)
Anyway, my point is that when I write Maxima, I try to imagine how I would act after 20 years of the relentless hailstorm of unwanted comments and leers. I don’t think I’d be super cool about it. Of course, I do the same thing when I write for Dabbler, only she’s super into it rather than being exhausted by it.
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His neck’s gonna be at a different angle if he’s not careful…
I guess that she needs to tell him that to touch anything means instant death, too… in a best case scenario, of course…
Immortal Elf, testing how “immortal” he really is.
Also about to learn immortality suck, when even bone in your body is pulverised into dust..
the one folly to immortality without intense regeneration
If he says he thought she was an elf and they don’t mind cut he maybe be safe… Or knocked into outer space.
they probably have artifacts that can help with that issue…, hopefully not one of the stolen ones.
I mean… one of the stolen ones would DEF help, seeing as it regenerated most of a body….
Yeah, Maxima just might introduce a new twist to the plot…
Gah! You put the warning after the link! Who does that!?!
The previous Sorcerer Supreme (Sorcerers Supreme?) apparently.
“(Time hole warning: may contain Infinity Stone)”
You couldn’t figure that out from the link itself? o_O
Chronocidal got the reference.
My alternate was. “Should have read the whole post. Because sometimes. Sometimes the warning comes after the link.”
=^_^=
Haven’t watched “Sherlock Strange”
Pander convinced me to watch it. It was enjoyable. That scene was funny, but I won’t detail it as I will affirm Pander‘s good taste and pass on the recommendation.
I would still have preferred an Asian Ancient One mind. Male or female.
Can’t say there was much of a Celtic feel to her though. Her back story may say that, but it was not a strong enough element for me to notice it.
From what have seen of it, it looks good, just… have trouble getting past the whole “Modern Sherlock Holmes” bit with Cumsabunch (may mock his name, a lot, but not his talent)
Sherlock Holmes is a uniquely Victorian character, they could have ‘updated’ things by him playing Sherlock’s great-great grand-nephew (not saying Holmes was gay, just that he didn’t really see a point in females, certainly not after what’sherface died)
Sherlock is just a high functioning sociopath so he doesn’t usually react the way a normal emotionally well-adjusted person would. :)
Point was, Sherlock is a product of his time, and, as a character, should remain there, his knowledge and technique can go anywhere and any time (including modern day New York, and yes, have a problem with “Elementary” as well, even though it is an… interesting programme, if able to ignore the female Watson and Holmes being in New York City)
An example of his… peculiarities working for other characters is with that show starring Rainn Wilson, or heck, the old ‘Monk’ show
To be honest, I’m sort of like you usually. I don’t tend to like ‘alternate universe’ storylines very often. But OCCASIONALLY they’re good. Like Sherlock. Or, in video games, Fallout 3. I’m not a fan of Elementary though. It’s not nearly as good as Sherlock.
Btw, if you like shows like Monk, I’d recommend a show called ‘The Murdoch Mysteries.’ It’s REALLY good.
Have seen a few small clips of that (or maybe it was just the making of the Christmas episode?), but we don’t have that over here
Like said, the stories are good, just don’t like the (miss)use of the character
Use to watch a really old black & white TV series of Holmes, can’t remember the actors name off hand but he looks like Matt Frewer and when ever a list of Holmes actors is published his name rarely if ever gets included :(
The first seven seasons are available on Netflix. I’m sure you would like the show :). It takes place in 1900 canada
Yeah, it’s hard to bargain for a deal when you’re repeatedly blasted into oblivion. Strange merely bought himself time to make his bargain…
:D
my experience is that any link that’s informative on something I’m interested in is probably a timesink. The exception is wikipedia.
I don’t know what you’re complaining about. DaveB was merely passing on the GIFT that keeps on giving…
;)
Reinforcing the stereotype that all Elves are perverts? First started by Leggy Lass the Androgynous? o_O
I thought the stereotype was that all male elves are gay…
But 4chan’s /tg/ board taught me that “it’s not gay if they’re an elf”…
i thought male elves were just a joke, like female dwarves.
Over in the (NSFW) comic Pron Quest, the whole idea of gay elves also brings up an interesting question: If all elves are gay (or conversely, there are no female dwarves), then how the hell did they continue to survive for so long as a species? Do elves artificially inseminate? Do dwarves multiply by fission? To all indications within the genre, both elves & dwarves still understand the concepts of romance & family units, which it might make one wonder how those gay/no females ideas ever get started in the first place.
Have you watched “The Orville”? One character (the not-Worf character) comes from a race of males-only, they breed by laying eggs, and if any females are born they are surgically altered into male
And of course, you have the Orcs (and goblins) from Warcraft: they are basically intelligent space fungus that reproduce via spores
I think you mean Warhammer Orks, not Warcraft Orcs. Warcraft orcs breed like any normal humanoid in fiction.
Yes, you are correct :(
I never played Warhammer. Maybe he meant the Zergs from Starcraft? That’s a RTS like Warcraft :) And the Zergs reproduce by spores too, I believe.
Those egg-laying males…How do they inseminate the eggs?
…Maybe I’m better off not knowing that…
No, real question is: where does the egg come from and, if they are both male, who decides on being the layer?
Maybe they’re like seahorses.
No, with seahorses, the male simply carries the babies after being inseminated, still requires a female to produce the egg
Seahorse amoeba?:)
The (Also NSFW) web serial Tales of MU has a similar thing- the author takes the Tolkienesque “Elves=Humans+5” and runs with it, applying it to every aspect of their physiology- including their fertility and virility. So for elves, ‘Everyone is Gay’ is a survival trait- because if they all were het, they’d outbreed even the insects.
maybe he’s trying to get a look at dem ears
Iris angling seems to suggest otherwise but it isn’t definitive.
Panel five suggests definite no
It would, however, be absolutely hilarious if it was indeed, her ears he was attempting to get a better view of.
It would be a wonderful deconstruction. I admit if I met an elf girl, I’d probably want to ogle [and touch, and taste] her cute little pointy ears.
So would elf feminists complain to gawkers “Hey buddy, my boobs are down here!” ?
Yes.
It has been established that he’s fascinated by them.
It looks like an ear-ogle to me.
The only time his eyes are pointing up, is in panel six after she caught him: one, three and four they are angled down, panel five shows a perverts point of view – no ears in sight
… I figured in a room full of vampires there had to be someone staring at her neck wondering how she’d taste.
Except, he is an Elf
Vampire elf?
“I vant to suck your…er…”
At this point, he stops because of Maxima glares, and not in the reflecting sunlight kind-of way.
Understand what is happening with Maxi’s left eye in panel six, but it just looks like the iris (pupil?) itself is turning sideways independent to the rest of her eyeball, kinda like the Eye of Sauron in a snow-storm
Okay, if you’re trying to show him attempting to look down her top, that’s entirely the wrong angle.
Poor Sydney. She goes from one awkward situation right into another one.
And for once she didn’t create said akward situations.
Its been a big day for her,Normal service will resume as soon as the mysteriously regenerated hillbilly puts his pants back on XD.
“something out of your energy tentacle” is what I expect she was trying to say before lord perverted got too obvious to ignore.
Nah, simply ‘hand’, doubt Sydney has developed such delicate control of Ms Tentacle (what? at least one of her balls has to be feminine, and we already have Mr Tubey and Mr Bubbles… although, technically, Mr Tubey is where she use to store her balls when out in public)
No, balls are definitely masculine. Eggs would be feminine.
not among dung beetles.
And for being so long & hard & strong enough to lift about 16 tons, I don’t think Tentacle would be a “Ms” anyway…
You can get female elephants you know…
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“Slap something out of your hand” makes no sense to me. “Slap something out of your way”, though, sound better IMO.
No, it makes perfect sense, it’s a common ‘thing’ where someone picks something up and someone else literally slaps it out of their hand, either by slapping the thing directly or the hand to force them to drop the thing
Yes. Someone else. But you wouldn’t slap something out of your own hand.
No, Maxi was going to slap something out of Sydney’s hand
More like lord Elrond Hubba Hubba!
(Ooh, trifecta! I got to make a combo LOTR/Scientology/Sexual harassment joke)
My first thought reading that commentary is of the Big Bang Theory, where the main woman of the group drives multiple hours just to wreck the dick of a World of Warcraft player in a far more literal sense.
It actually happened in Questionable Content. Marigold (The Alliance) met Dale (The Horde) when the latter was delivering her pizza. They argued over their respective WOW game alliances for a while, and after a few Horde vs Alliance snark wars, hooked up and have been “wrecking each other’s naughty bits” on a regular basis…. and they’re perfect for each other.
Actually my wife and I met on WoW. There was a lot of online conversing at first, then driving one way or the other to see each other, and finally she moved here and later we got married. :)
Daw.
I got married once. But only in-game. Although… come to think about it… it was conducted by a real minister. Had his licence off the internet, to prove it!
Although I think there may have been a problem getting it ratified, in real life!
Lucky dog :P
It is probably pretty damp down there. my hair gets like that too.
Yeah but your hair isn’t invulnerable.
You should dry yourself off better. You would not want to get rot in your nether regions.
Apparently a buddy of mine successfully used “Nice shoes, wanna f***?”
If that worked, he could’ve left off the comment about the shoes.
No he couldn’t. That’d be gauche.
The forms must be observed.
At least it was to the point and honest. Blunt, but honest.
Shoes are a result of a conscious choice and presumably effort in picking and coordinating with the rest of the outfit. It’s a very nice and legit compliment, made all the better by being 100% unrelated to the offer. He’s not asking her to fuck because her shoes are sexy, he’s asking her to fuck -and- finds her shoes nice. That’s how you be more than puddle deep while picking up people at an orgy.
A friend of mine would carry around a few screws in his pocket. When the opportunity came up (ha-ha), he’d grab a few from his pocket & then show the gal what he’s holding & ask “Want a screw?” No matter which way she answered, he was covered…
Even in real life everyone rolls a 20 eventually ^^
One of these days Maxima would…
A.take Valen up on his offer
B.punch him out so bad that it’ll take him a week to come to…?!?
Looks like someone has a death wish…
I’ll bet 5971 internet points he’s looking at something that has nothing to do with boobs or sex. Something we haven’t noticed yet.
What, her ears? His eyes are definitely looking down, but it’s possible he’s noticed something else and also noticed the boobs right after.
I’m thinking something that moves the story along, like something crawling on her shirt.
Any idea what her choker is?
Maxima’s? That’s standard Archon comm equipment, like Halo’s, etc.
If that’s the case, it should be something that’s noticeable in the image above (in Valen’s POV). Very well hidden, yes, but still noticeable.
kinda what I meant by “not noticeable”, ie, not yet in view.
Well, I kind of see some blue lines in her jacket, but I think they’re seams or something similar.
Guys, especially guys who themselves are good-looking, are just very used to getting away with a “harmless” ogle. Especially if they are old enough to clearly remember certain decades when even touching a woman unbidden (such as a pinch on the butt) was considered a compliment (somehow). I imagine some guys do it *unconsciously*.
And that is just in the USA. Other cultures have likely had other standards over the years.
All that said, it is still a little weird to try to get the ‘downslope’ angle when she is wearing that modest of a top.
It came across not so much as weird to me and more as the author trying to shoehorn his Aesop in despite it making zero sense in the situation.
Also, treating someone like a piece of meat behind his back instead is supposed to be better? Call me direct, but I disagree. If you’re going to be a dick, kindly have the metaphorical balls to do it to my face.
…I’m not going to even touch upon the alternative context implied there…
I don’t think pinching a stranger’s butt was ever considered a complement, despite what Hollywood movies have led you to believe.
Yeah there mightve been a time where it wasnt rewarded with throatpunches but even before the founding of america that was likely seen as pretty skeevy.
yes, other cultures do have other standards. for example, iron age scandinavia (vikings) had laws that allowed for the death penalty for nonconsensually touching a woman’s thigh.
don’t base your history knowledge on rapey-mcrapey game of thrones. a lot of cultures BECAME misogynistic rape fests only after christian colonialization.
Or, consider the following, you were also lied to about the aforementioned Christian cultures as well.
I don’t have the time or inclination to type a long essay, so I’ll just say that the actual facts are much more complex than this, and that neither christians OR non-christians have clean hands on this matter.
Oh, and ASOIAF/GOT’s societies are in many ways EVEN WORSE than our own middle ages.
one thing I like about GoT is that so much of the people being crazy is styled on historical events. like the red wdding.
https://entertainment.time.com/2013/06/04/last-supper-the-real-life-massacre-that-inspired-the-game-of-thrones-red-wedding/
A girl came up to a guy I know and say
“Excuse me, do you have the time?”
He looked at his watched and without missing a beat replied
“Sure, do you have the energy?”
He had the slap mark on his face for several days afterwards ;)
Was well earned!
If the sexes were reversed, and a man slapped a woman for the same comment, would it still be “well deserved”? Or would it just be abuse?
Abuse, because women are too ‘cultured’ (or whatever) to be abusive, that’s why female spousal abuse is a lie invented by the media
If the roles were reversed I find it hard imagining the guy being anything other than pleased and enthusiastic (or regretful, if both honourable and not single).
On the occasions I’ve observed, where a woman propositions a man for sex, it generally involves an exchange of money.
That doesnt necessarally make it a good thing.Its funny what things are considered heinous/fine when the genders are flipped around.
Either way round someone just commited assault legally though the modern legal systems still heavily geared towards treating men harsher when it comes to violence.
I mean, there’s also a difference between enjoying a view, and trying to see more than the person being viewed wants to show.
I knew at woman I’d see at sci-fi conventions, amply endowed, often wore costumes to show off the cleavage and was much like that. She didn’t mind guys looking so long as they at least tried to be discrete. So casual glances were okay, blatantly staring or trying to look down into her cleavage a definite no.
the difference isn’t just that women have to put up with catcalling and oggling all the time. the difference is that men do so from a position of higher social power. when women turn men down, women get killed; maybe not all the time but it happens. you can bet that at one time or another when Maxima told a guy to get lost, he got aggressive and violent. it inevitably happens to almost every woman.
meanwhile, women are hardly ever in a position of higher social power than men, unless we’re talking about To Kill A Mockingbird situation. not to mention if a woman hits on a man, it rarely if ever results in a woman getting aggressive and violent. and certainly women won’t get away with it the way men get away with being violent to women. aggressive women aren’t seen as a threat to a man’s life; more like they are seen as adorable miniature dogs that think they’re big dogs and bark a lot.
subconsciously, men realize that they can Get Away with catcalling, even aggressively, women strangers in broad daylight. they realize that if they do something creepy, like following a woman home at night, that they won’t be in trouble. there’s no consequences for most men who sexually harass women at work. i know because all this has happened to me and i reported most of it and nothing ever happened. even when i had evidence and corroboration of the work place harassment. although i did get in trouble for reporting it. so yeah.
I’ve known women who think they can get away with it too. The abuser generally picks their target as someone vulnerable who is unlikely to feel they can fight back.
And even if the woman isn’t in a position that she would be killed, she is often in a position where her carer and/or reputation is killed. Many a company will threaten to drop them like a hot potato, convince them it would be against their best interests with lines like “don’t be that girl” or spread malicious rumours that would make it impossible to get hired in the same industry again.
Yes, “power structures” do seem to be the fashionable excuse to be a flaming hypocrite these days.
And excuse me while I laugh like a hyena at your assertion that women don’t get away with being violent and aggressive while men do. If anything it’s exactly the opposite. Male victims of female violence are almost never taken seriously. Nor is that a particularly rare thing; about 40% of domestic violence victims is male. Guess how many shelters for men there are versus those for women.
You do realize that this situation came about because men in a position of power (or who fancied themselves as such) have been spreading for a very long time the idea that, as men are “naturally” superior to women, any man who gets abused by a woman is thereby “inferior”? We liked our little hierarchies so much we shot each other in the foot in the name of our self-imposed rat race and are only just now noticing the cost.
And yes, this does translate into such things as gross imbalance in shelters depending on gender. Doesn’t stop the fact that abuse is still, as you yourself mentioned, 1.5 times more prevalent against women than against men; when it comes to sexual violence, it’s 2 to 1. Yes, abuse against males is a huge problem we haven’t addressed nearly enough, but abuse against females is still the bigger problem by a comfortable margin.
Where did you get that ‘fact?’ That men in positions of power created that view? I know a lot of women who think the same thing, and based on an evolutionary standpoint, I can see how women might see a man who is abused by a woman would look ‘less masculine’ and not as suitable as a mate than someone who’s a big macho guy who doesn’t get pushed around.
Also, could you stop with the ‘You do realize, right?’ method? You do realize that when you respond to every person’s post with ‘You do realize’ – it’s a propagandist method of trying to act like your opinions are somehow indisputable fact? Like when you made a provably false opinion to one of my other posts about ‘The Red Pill’ movie.
In the modern day, men AND women can hold positions of power if they have the same drives to sacrifice family life and friends to the same extent. Like I said in my post…. in the last couple of law firms I’ve been in, the majority of partners and high associates were women, including (for one of them) myself.
And YOU do realize that woman-on-woman physical abuse is much more prevalent (about 50% higher, relatively) than man-on-woman abuse, as a percentage of couples? Better stated, lesbians are 20% to 75% more likely to experience intimate partner abuse than heterosexual women, at 44% to 37% or 35% to 20% depending on which study you look at.
And that “this situation came about because” is followed by a sexist excuse grounded in a gender-biased desire to avoid treating individuals equally, for political brownie points.
“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
“the difference isn’t just that women have to put up with catcalling and oggling all the time.”
I havent had to. Although I think some women do tend to take any compliment as catcalling. Other times, I’ve noticed even with my friends that they dress up in rather extremely sexy dresses when we’ve gone out that show off the girls, and one of my friends seems to like to get professionally outraged when any guy takes notice. Not saying women don’t put up with catcalling and ogling, but I think it’s a lot less prevalent than some people claim. Not to mention that women do, in fact, act about the same way when we’re JUST with our friends. At least in my social groups.
“the difference is that men do so from a position of higher social power.”
That’s not really the case as often anymore. Where I work, a majority of the partners and upper associates are women. Women do tend to, at least in professional work (ie, accounting, lawyers, doctors, business, etc) go up the ladder faster than men of the same experience level from what I’ve seen. It’s in the more blue collar areas that men tend to climb the ladder faster, and I think that’s largely because not as many women go into blue collar professions. At least in the last couple of decades…. Probably was different back in the 70s and 80s and maybe even the early 90s. Or in industries in which I have no part, like apparently the entertainment industry, where apparently there are a LOT of creepy men and it’s been widely accepted for some godforsaken reason.
“not to mention if a woman hits on a man, it rarely if ever results in a woman getting aggressive and violent. and certainly women won’t get away with it the way men get away with being violent to women. ”
Actually it’s the opposite. Women tend to get violent with men and men are expected to take it because men tend to be bigger and stronger than women, but honestly, women can be horribly abusive, physically, and they almost never get called on it. And that’s not even counting the horribly underreported incidents of female on male violence – mainly because of the embarrassment by the men, or the disbelief by the public at large. There’s a good movie I recently watched called The Red Pill about this.
Btw, I’m a woman.
Like when I was in school, if a girl hit a boy, there was nothing that happened. If anything, his friends would tease him about it, or teachers and other girls and boys would ask ‘what did the boy do to deserve getting hit?’
In the VERY rare instances of a boy hitting a girl though (because there’s a social stigma against men being violent to women, which is a good thing but it would be REALLY nice if it also went the other way as well)…. instantly sent to the principal’s office.
Personally, I’ve been catcalled MAYBE a dozen times in my entire life, and I’m in my 30’s. And I almost NEVER get sexual comments when playing games. The occasional “herp derp, make me a sandwich, lol” but that’s about it.
But one of the things people really try not to mention is how many ways women have the ADVANTAGE in social situations. Yeah, you occasionally hear stories (usually second or third hand) about some guy getting violent because a woman turned him down. But how many times have you heard about stories where a guy tried to talk to a woman at a bar, and was called all sorts of sexist and insulting slurs because he had the audacity to hit on her? “I have a boyfriend you fucking asshole, leave me alone! God all you sexist assholes think that every woman is just for you to have, and let me tell you another thing…!”
And then of course there’s the whole “hitting a woman” thing. GOD HELP YOU if you actually hit a woman in public if you’re a man. They’ve actually done tests where they’ve had a fake couple arguing while walking through a public place, and then they start getting physically violent with one another. If the man starts hitting the woman, 99% of the time people will leap to her defense, and in some cases even try to beat the shit out of the guy. If the woman is hitting the man, though? NO ONE ever goes to his defense. They just sit back and smirk, laughing at the “whipped guy” getting beat on by his girlfriend. And any time someone tries to open a shelter for men suffering from domestic abuse, it’s bitched about and in some cases actively protested against by “feminists”, And don’t even get me started on the whole “listen and believe” crap, or that even ACCUSING a guy of sexual assault/rape is enough to get him pilloried, or even sent to jail, even if it turns out the woman was lying.
In a lot of ways, we have it pretty damned good in the west, and the deck IS stacked in our favor in a lot of cases. There are always going to be guys who push things too far — but that’s not a case of “women are so oppressed!”, that’s just that guy being an asshole. But there are plenty of women who will do something similar. I’ve even seen women who will (loudly) declare that a guy “sexually assaulted her” simply because he turned her down when she hit on him. Is getting catcalled annoying? Eh, it can be. Is it the end of the world? Not even remotely. I’d MUCH rather have some guy occasionally yell “nice ass!” out his car window than have to walk on eggshells around women all the time like men have to do these days, especially on college campuses.
I got a bit wordy with this post, but it’s something I feel strongly about.
No problem about the wordiness. And I agree with your post. I would respond more but busy with RL work :)
You do know that that movie is made by the Alt-right as a propaganda piece to excuse/justify their own sexist acts/behaviors/opinions, I hope?
1) No, it was made by a feminist filmmaker (who now no longer refers to herself as a feminist after how third wave feminists have ruined the definition by being misandrists rather than feminists – being a-holes both in the movie and to her afterwards for actually taking a balanced approach) named Cassie Jaye actually. Watch her TED talks, or you can just keep being ignorant and making up stuff.
2) Not alt-right. Seriously… dumbest thing I’ve heard anyone say. How exactly is The Red Pill an alt-right movie? Do you even have an idea of what ‘alt-right’ means? Have you bothered to watch the movie? Nope. I’m pretty sure you haven’t, or you wouldnt say it’s a propaganda piece. It’s a very balanced view of mens right activists. She originally was planning on slamming the MRA thing but the longer she went on the movie, the more obvious it was becoming that the only propaganda was coming from third wave feminism.
3) I’m a woman. I’m not a victim. And I don’t fall for YOUR propaganda, because I actually bothered to watch the movie. While you’re the type of person who tries to throw labels like ‘alt-right’ as fear mongering. Alt-right is about white nationalism. How the hell do you conflate the idea that third wave feminism is a FAR cry from second wave feminism, or that Men’s Right Activists actually have some valid points to make about inequalities against men in the legal system and in societal interactions…. with white nationalists? How is thinking that domestic abuse victims who are men should be able to get a shelter too ‘white nationalism propaganda?!?!’
What…. you don’t think there are any non-white women? Right here. Me. Non-white female. Go on and try to call me alt-right.
God this post infuriated me.
I’ve talked to a number of men who’re legit frightened of the fact that all a woman has to do these days is point at him and say “He sexually harassed me” – regardless of whether any harassment took place or not, regardless of whether he’s even met her before or not – and that guy’s life is basically over. Doesn’t matter if the allegations are later proven false – the MOMENT a woman says anything of the sort, the man is forever and always labeled a vile villainous vermin and is socially already dead. Men have physical power over woman (sometimes. I know a few women who could break me in half without trying, they scary X_X). Women have an increasingly horrifying _legal_ power over men in that the law, and society at large, no longer assumes innocence in the case of any alleged harassment case. Those males accused of harassment are assumed guilty and generally cannot be proven innocent.
Think about that for a moment, and how frightening it would be to know that a Sword of Damocles like that is hanging over your head, with absolutely no recourse to be had should someone you know, or even someone you’ve never met, choose to let the blade fall.
Don’t get me wrong; I’ve heard the old saying “men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them”, and I’d rather be here than be where we were fifty years ago, when sexual harassment was shoved under the rug and nothing was ever done about it. Harassment is a serious issue, it should be taken seriously, and people on both sides of the gender divide need to learn to keep it in their damned pants. Social imbalances are still all over the place and we all need to work on improving them – but they’re not all slanted towards men.
As a man (if one who is nonbinary and thinks more like a woman than a traditional beer-and-bitches Neanderthal male), I don’t necessarily have to walk on eggshells around women, but I _do_ have to be very mindful of them, avoid any sort of friendly/bawdy banter unless I know the woman in question is good for it, and generally act a bit like I’m talking to my supervisor or manager rather than a fellow coworker or acquaintance-on-the-street. That’s not AWFUL the way some folks think it is, I’m of the opinion that we could all do with a bit more attention paid to not being idiots with people we don’t know. Buuutt…
Women, on the other hand, are generally free to paw me up all they like or be as suggestive or flirty as they want regardless of my wishes. Not that any of them have done so, because the ladies I work with are classy gals who wouldn’t dream of being that untoward and harass-y, but the average employer will generally just throw out any case of female-on-male harassment even if they did. One, because society as an aggregate whole cannot believe that the male didn’t invite any attentions he receives (“well, what did you do to HER to make her think that was okay?”), or two, because society does not believe that females have the capacity to harm males (“what’s she gonna do, tie you up and rape you? You should be so lucky! Now shut up and get back to work”).
So yeah. While I wish very much nobody had to worry about this crap, the ladies are not entirely exclusive in their fears over sexual harassment.
…’sides. Maxima, I believe, upsets the “men have physical power over women” equation by just a _weeeee_ little bit, and I shall eagerly await her, ahhh…corrective actions in the next few comics.
Like Hugh Mongous. If you dont know what that means, search on youtube.
I’ve had that happen, accused of harassing a female co-worker and they didn’t even bother investigating things (they did make sure the one superior who’d defend me was busy in a meeting so he couldn’t be part of the discussion though) and I was terminated almost immediately. Even as they had no problems with displays of homophobia out of some of my co-workers (one declared he’d refuse to acknowledge a co-worker existed if he was known to be homosexual). Didn’t have problems with one of the female salaried employees harassing me (non-sexually) on a regular basis either. When her workspace was moved to another room they even allocated someone to run wiring so she could remote-trigger the singing big mouth Billy Bass plaque she left in the area just to harass me.
Just like with the latest round of celebrity accusations
Also, there is currently an add for “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” where he says it’s great to have this female on his show (don’t know who she is, probably an actress or something ‘important’ in the US) and she starts groping his hand and coming on to him, if the genders were the other way around there would be accusations flying all over the place, like a couple weeks ago about someone on the Graham Norton show putting his hand on another female guests’ knee with an -out-of-context freeze frame with her leaning back. Actually watched that episode and the reason she was leaning back and he had his hand on her knee was because they were reacting to something else, absolutely zero inappropriate unsolicited touching
Oh, I should also mention that I am an avid gamer. One might even call me obsessed. I have 14 different systems, from retro to modern, not including handhelds, and well over 1000 games. I have been the rare “girl gamer” since I was 9. And real games – not candy crush and animal crossing and the sims type games. Although I am not a fan of CoD or Battlefront games because of the storyline not being engaging. Same readon I dont play overwatch. They need the game to follow a storyline dammit! Anyway where was I?
Oh yes. In the decade or two that I have been gaming, and in the 10 years that I have used pvp games, I have never been harassed about it, except a few jokes very occasionally, and they werent meant as mean and I have a sense of humor. In fact I have to admit that in some games like dead island and asherons call, being a woman actually was helpful and guys went out of their way to help me learn the rooes, finish quests, and get in game objects. And not because they wanted to get with me. Because despite what polygon or anita sarkeesian or zoey quinn might claim, gamers tend to be a very open community about gender. They just dont like fragile egos on a lot of pvp games. Trash talk tends to just be trash talk regardless of gender, and if youre not a screwup (gamewise) then people will want you on their group.
I really like the idea of a hulking interdimensional monster being an extremely competent magical technician too, because I already love Chorius for being a hulking chitinous monster with class, and making him a classy monster NERD would be the absolute best trope reversal.
Agreed
There is one issue though. Dave’s commentary was about it being wrong to objectify individuals, yet he drew Chorius standing there COMPLETELY NAKED! What next? Dabbler shouting out “Hey baby, nice scales! Woo, woo!”
Is that your exoskeleton or are you just glad to see me?
Being naked and being objectified are two different things. Making a picture of someone with no clothes can be the action of degrading someone to the status of an object, but it does not have to be.
Nakedness can be skeevy, it can be sexual, it can be uncomfortable. But it doesn’t need to be. I’ve been to nudist beaches. It was always a really relaxed atmosphere. No one there was treating other people like objects.
I mean… you know. He is pretty ripped… he’s classy and intelligent… clearly distinguished if he’s a chief representative for such a varied class of being… long as he doesn’t have any ‘feed on the flesh’ or ‘decay of the soul’ type things going on… you could definitely do worse…
Inb4 Dave starts adding some flattering Chorius pinups.
I can honestly say that I’ve never been in that position. Oh, I’m a lecherous ogler, but I’m only five feet tall, and I try to be polite about it.
Somehow, I think he’s getting a good look at her EARS, not her boobs. Mainly because of what he said to her in the Council chambers.
Actually after looking closer at the earlier panels, yeah was looking at her boobs first, but when he cranes his neck it looks like he’s now looking at her ears.
Sort of like ‘Wait a second, so is she or is she not some sort of elf variant because she’s waaay too busty to be an elf.’
You don’t think there are busty elves?
I dont know. I have never met a real elf. Although in tolkien stuff they tend to all look pretty androgynous whether male or female.
Legolas is a pretty, pretty man.
I think, for an elf, ‘busty’ means a C-cup.
I only know of three types of elves that don’t exist in fanfics and porn sites – 1) Legolas type tolkien elves. 2) Santa type elves. 3) the elves who make those delicious cookies.
None of them seem to be particularly busty :)
That’s because there are no females in those groups :P
I think there were female elves in the Lord of the Rings. I’m not a big tolkien fan but I think there was one in the first movie, and a few in the third movie. Oh and that one elf sorceress that had one if the rings. None of them seemed particularly busty :).
Oh and for all we know, all the Keebler elves are women but just … not very pretty women. hehe.
And before you say that the Keebler elves sound like men, so did Granny Goodness in Justice League – voiced by Ed Asner :)
i’m really loving this particular thread btw.
In the first panel when Max says “That struck me odd as well” doesn’t sound right. Should it be “That struck me as odd as well”
Yep
Maybe, grammatically awkward, but acceptable
You are correct that it doesn’t sound right, but it’s not wrong either
Sorry. I don’t believe he was checking out her cleavage. With no visible cleavage, the guy would have to be seriously obsessed with breasts to be checking out the Max’s top. My guess is that he sees something that she doesn’t.
he’s quite obviously checking to see just how spathic she is, but believe me, it would be much easier to take a gander at how callypigian she is.
HAH! Good ‘un! I actually had to look those words up. Fun AND educational!
Actually, I was thinking that he might be seeing a magic aura, or something that might be present, but not in our dimension, or just plain invisible.
Of course, elven women do have a tendency towards A cups, so elven men might be easily distracted by bodacious tatas. Probably the reason for all those randy half-elf bards out there.
I enjoy wordplay, which means I have a rather weird store of words in my brain. which also means there’s a lot of times I just don’t have the Right words. or just can’t think of them.
Same here :D
If Maxima really wanted to punish Valen she could actually respond to his advances. Think ‘Woman of Steel, Man of Kleenex’.
That reminds me of another webcomic, SMBC.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111176493/4029999-9442833073-20081.gif
You know, from the angles, he might just be admiring her ears. And he did comment in a previous strip that he liked them.
I think I remember that. Do you have a link for it? It might be fun to see it again.
And I think that’s what DaveB might actually do, in his favor, on the very next page; he might not, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did. It would be another individual example that Maxima would be wrong to imply that all men behave the same way, merely because she’s had the frequent experience to make her conclusion doesn’t mean that every experience will follow suit.
He’s an elf Max. Pointed ears are a turn on for them. And yes, I know he’s looking elsewhere NOW but that’s only because his instincts have already been triggered/primed.
‘ ears to you, Mrs. Robinson…
looks like he is considering the impossibility of her having giant breasts and pointed ears…trying to figure out what type of elf she might be…
Maybe increasingly wavier hair is one of her powers. Eventually she’ll be able to use it like tentacles. Similar to the Inhuman woman. Prehensile Hair is the name of the power from the Ultimate Powers book (TSR) of the old Marvel Superheroes game.
Side note: After Marvel and TSR didn’t renew the license, Marvel put out some weak-@$$ TCG. They ran some test games at Origins (I believe, could have been GenCON). A fellow with a germanic accent and I participated and railroaded the game into a RPG session.
or it’s just this https://i.imgur.com/9MhLcLr.jpg
plot twist: He has a thing for necks, and thats what he was trying to get a better look at.
Considering we have multiple species interpersonal skills involved here I think its interesting that maxima is expecting the elf to behave as a human. Clear he has already shown interest in Maxima before with his comments on her ears. Its possible that as far as his race is concerned his actions are perfectly acceptable especially considering to him she may look very muck like another elf.
I’m not saying I condone any objectifying people but as has been explained with Dabbler there could be a cultural aspect of this that Maxima is unaware of. Hell this may be a normal way for him to suggest interest and a female of his own species may be extremely flattered.
Or he’s just being pervy lech. o_0
Given Maxima’s particular flaws I imagine she doesn’t care about other cultures and expects them to conform to her particular beliefs in that regard. Just look at Dabbler, she knows about Dabbler’s cultural AND physiological nature regarding sex but still expects her to conform to her particular beliefs. Even when she knows it provokes Dabbler to wind her up she keeps doing it.
Ah True, but we know that Dabbler is well aware of Maximas hangups and apparently takes great delight in pushing those buttons that get the most reaction from her no matter the cultural differences. At this point, hmm technically this is a hostile environment/sexual harassment territory from Max’s stand point. Hilarity ensues from Dabbler’s. Ultimately a toxic environment if this were not a comic.Most likely ending with Max hoisting Dabbler by the short hairs and stuffing her into a sewage pipe. Dabbler will probably think Max is starting to come around…
So, likelihood that he just spotted something on the ground past her, and Sydney is now about to spot it herself?
e.g. that step down isn’t supposed to be as pronounced. They got past the teleport wards by lowering the floor until it was no longer included.
Hypocrisy aside (and yes it is hypocrisy, quit trying to justify it) how the hell could he “look down” that shirt? The V is like 1cm past her collarbone.
Either the artist didn’t think things through or Maxima is being Maxima (and won’t apologize for accusing him of looking down her impossible to-look-down shirt)
Yeah, it doesn’t seem like a terribly plausible thing to happen. I understand male gaze but there’s not even any way to look down her shirt from that position and angle.
He is a magical creature. Could he be magically looking *through* her top instead? Granted, craning your head for a better angle may be stupid in that case, but you can’t rule out the possibility.
That’s. Her. Damn. POINT!!!
He is shorter than her, why is he craning DOWN when her ears are visible and higher than his eyes?
Which means one of two things:
1. Her clothes and position make no sense for this action to actually be plausible on his part. He’s not going to see anything, and this would’ve been obvious to any male. Unless he’s the stupidest moron to ever exist, that’s NOT what he was doing, and his reactions are more from him realizing what he’s just done is inadvertently making him look like a pervert.
2. Art error. Seriously, make your art match your script’s logic.
It’s not an art error, as Maxi even states she’s not wearing a deep V
You are dismissing that maybe he is that stupid, and hoping to see something
I doubt it’s an art error. DaveB has been pretty good about that sort of thing. I think there’s a third option.
3. He was actually looking at something else and her breasts got in the way, like when she’s trying to put away her gun in the ambulance :)
“Stupid boobs.”
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/comics/2011-08-29-GP0055.jpg
Hey, why no bio in the who’s who for the grey and tusked guy?
You would think someone who is likely WAY old wouldn’t be that bad at trying to get a look, while at the same time, I would’ve thought, story wise he may have been looking at something else or examining her (golden skinned meta and all) instead of the obvious “Oh hey, look at someone awkwardly staring at the tits” joke.
Oh well.
How rude…
Also: Do Max and the other succubus use the same brand of lipstick?
Maxima doesn’t use and can’t use makeup.
Dabbler’s cleaning spell applies the magical appearance of make-up including lipstick (as we see on our redneck) when used on someone. It takes time for it to fade.
She had the same red-lipstick on when fighting Vehemence.
It was also how Heatwave eventually figured out it wasn’t Maxi who kissed her boyfriend in the ecnalubma
Fervently hoping its the mustard stain on her pants leg, or possible the mystery stain on top of her boots, that has his attention…or maybe he’s spotted a fragment of a certain ‘worm like’ superhuman wriggling around trying to crawl up her leg…please, please let this be the case…and ol’ Mary Sue Maxima have to, for once, apologize for assuming something?
That stammer shows you to be wrong
So,you are musing about something and start to say what it is.
This woman who is approximately the equivalent of a nuclear warhead, less than a foot from you, forcefully interrupts your explanation.
With an astonishing accusation that is completely nowhere near your universe.
Do you suppose that YOU would stumble in your speech?
No, wouldn’t stumble as wouldn’t be making some rubbish excuse, but then again, wouldn’t be ogling Maxi so blatantly while in the middle of an investigation
I don’t see Maxima as Mary Sue-ish at all. She’s powerful, but just being powerful doesn’t make one a Mary Sue. Maxima has definite flaws which others have repeatedly called her on, and she’s had to be saved before, like in the Vehemence fight. She also almost got in over her head with Death Toll had it not been for Sydney.
Also, Dabbler REGULARLY irritates her and Sydney has already shown multiple times that her shield is capable of taking what Maxima can dish out. And she called her on that as well, albeit respectfully – “I hope that doesn’t bruise your ego.”
Not to mention her personality itself is a flaw. She’s NOT seen as always correct. She’s not seen as perfect. She has viewpoints which are able to be argued against, like the ‘A woman should be….’ debate with Dabbler during the dinner at the restaurant. And she actually ACCEPTED other viewpoints. She accepts that she makes mistakes. That’s very un-Mary Sue-ish.
And, even more un-Mary Sue-ish: DaveB is a guy
Nah. Guys can write mary sue characters too. Both men and women are capable of crappy character creation. Maxima just happens to not be one. The closest thing that I have seen to a mary sue in this comic was the villain gary stu of Vehemence.
A Mary-Sue is also typically a self-insert, but most people tend to either forget that or ‘ignore it’ if it gets in the way of their stupidity (not saying that about you Pander)
Mary Sue can also be a ‘Gary Stu’. Most of Steven Seagal’s characters, for example, are total Gary Stus. :)
Plus I could probably argue that a self-insert does not always necessarily mean the same gender in fiction as in real life, since I’ve known more than a few guys who roleplay as female characters (and vice versa) on MMORPGs like Asheron’s Call or DCUO and regular games like Mass Effect, where a lot of people prefer to play FemShep :).
But I do get your point about how it occurs the majority of the time.
While I agree that Maxima is definately not a mary sue Dabbler and Halos “powers” being able to counter her own powerset (In Dabbles case definately and in Halos case theoratically) is a pathetic counterargument because it would be easier to argue that they are Mary sues as well.
For example: Halo has more powers than most superteams and theyre leveling up and gaining more versatility at an exponential rate which has nothing to do with the users skill which will undoubtedly also go up eventually as well.Not to mention that her powers have no longterm downsides and some even have built in defences for things she didnt even realise shed have to need defences for (Her shields seem to be able to nosell pretty much everything including passive magic-perhaps even psychic powers).
And In Dabblers case:
If you can think of it Dabblers probably a black belt at it at least, she can keep up with most specialists in any skill set/school of learning and is only narrowly outclassed by masters-Shes a powerful mage who can debate magical programming with council level wizards.A succubus with all the natural talents that includes-Understands and casually creates technology on a level thats centuries if not millenia ahead of human kinds technologicol progress and whenever she comes across a problem she has trouble with can pull out a counter measure that will utter curbstomp it next time round. In short shes batman with boobs superpowers and no psychological issues/trauma.
Nah, getting a black belt in anything (unless it was a literal black belt from an accessories store) would require way more attention and effort than Dabbles would be willing to put into it beyond getting the lowest belt beyond simply showing up and paying the membership slash enlistment fee (ie she would only do as much as required to get the basic understandings down, and anyone’s underwear who caught her eye :P)
She barely passed her high school exams so her ‘natural’ succubae talents are not that great
She has been to many different planets, that’s where she learnt how to make those gadgets and technology
You are correct regarding how she deals with new and unknown things: she has so many fingers in so many many pies she is bound to have cum across something to help her out
Rather than being a batman with boobs, she is more like Bruce Lee as demonstrated in “Game of Death”
Your idea of Maxima and how Maxima is actually depicted in this comic are entirely separate.
When she was getting attention she did not want at the comic shop, she simply left, didn’t start anything.
When she thought Super Hiro was hitting on her, her first response was to take him aside and ask him openly what he was trying to do, without getting offended or angry.
During the photo-op, When she wanted to know if boudoir shots was something the photographer offered to all her clients or it was offered specifically because of what she is, she asked the question politely, wasn’t hostile about it, and took the conversation well.
Even here, we can see him checking her out three panels before she calls him out. It wasn’t until he came almost 3-4 inches close to her face that she actually said anything. She’s mentioning specifically him checking her out, but she didn’t do that until he came too far into her personal space.
In addition, she has flaws, though pander already covered those quite well, so I won’t those.
Let me make clear – I do not like Maxima. She kidnapped somebody with no evidence (and the suspicion she used to justify that turned out to be wrong), and I do not like kidnappers.
However, when it comes to the concern of being objectified, I cannot fault her. She is good at handling people possibly being skeevy at her.
She did not kidnap anyone, and don’t know what ‘suspicion she used to justify that turned out to be wrong’ when Kronchrome herself said she had no idea what went wrong
The rest of what you typed is good though
Arrgh! Looked at GIFT on TV Tropes, and now two hours have gone by. Thanks a lot, Dave.
Hah! I must have a higher resistance, I was only sucked in for less than an hour.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Wiki/SCPFoundation
TV Tropes + SCP.
No one will ever hear from you again. :)
Must… not… click… link…
again…
If you ever do click the link…again…shall we send our condolences to your next-of-kin?
Oh no, that flag.
Sydney is going to grab something isn’t she? Cos one set of unfathomably powerful artifacts isn’t enough?
I bet the Lighthook could get through the field too…
Depends on if the Lighthook is classified as ‘living’ or not.
…and then Valen (a puck type fey) said: succubi feed on sex, I feed on annoyance and you’re so much tastier than a regular human! MARRY ME!
Maxima replied with a slap that left Valen embedded in a wall — behind the first wall he went thru.
Valen replied: Thanks, my magic is full now!
Valen then commented: allright now all that annoyance is getting wasted…
That would be hilarious, but I don’t think so :)