Grrl Power #520 – From distress to datstress
Maxima, as you might imagine, is quite strong willed, so even if the eyepiece wasn’t cracked, it’s anyone’s guess as to whether the Super Husk could have stunned her into sitting still for a withdrawal. There is at least one vampire who learned the hard way that unsuccessfully trying to mesmerize Max is such a bad idea.
“This looks important” is the number one thing said before shit gets broken. “Hey watch this.” is the number one thing said before someone hurts themselves, and “I wonder what this does.” falls equally in between.
Also who keeps their power supply behind an easily removable armored plate? Besides Iron Man I mean. And by easily removable I mean it requires super strength to remove. Still, seems like a design flaw considering who it was designed to fight. Really, Hiro got a lucky yanking that stuff out. After all he didn’t know how it was designed or what powered it. If I designed a big evil robot, I’d put the power supply in a well protected place, but not in the center because that’d be too obvious, and I’d hide a claymore behind the glowy plate.
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“Also who keeps their power supply behind an easily removable armored plate?”
Every 3D Zelda game ever taught me that every vital organ, key power supply, or load-bearing structural member is protected by chitin, armor, or something else that is no stronger than three thwacks of a weapon.
And most often it also glows conveniently.
I’m guessing that’s some sort of trap for people who go looking for power supplies behind conveniently removable panels.
“Vorch” That can’t be good. What will happen? A brain switch is a classic. Teleporting them to a alternate reality perhaps. In any case Hiros shirt should be destroyed, it has been too long since he was half naked.
Will his beard survive?
Since Hiro’s main role in this story is to provide fanservise I guess that sexy stubble will stay.
The “vorch” will transfer his stubble to Maxima and there will be no razor sharp enough to cut it. Everyone will be sad.
Some will be very turned on, and confused
Maybe they will be fast-forwarded in time to the flash-forwards scene, where Halo ‘big guns’ comes back into Archon and is greeted by Anvil and Maxima?
Where does “What does THIS button do?” fall in that group of phrases?
DeeDee would like to know.
Effectively, I wonder what this does and what does this button do, are the same thing.
with buttons, it’s usually “DON’T PUSH THAT–” right before life gets exciting.
https://vimeo.com/126720159
That start of the clip brings back bad memories of playing “Frontier: Elite II” :shudder: :twitch:
I had forgotten how disturbing Ren and Stimpy was… thank you for reminding me…
Who?
Pst, that was a rhetorical question. They no longer exist. Not even their history. If you think otherwise you are delusional!
Well on TVTropes
or
Get out of my laboratory!
“Come on, what’s the worst that could happen?”
“That’s obviously the distraction, but we’d better press it just to be sure.”
“But I wanna know what it does!”
“I Double Dog Dare you!”
“What are things that have been said to players in Role Playing Games that actually and unexpectedly worked?”
“That’s right! Your next choice?”
“I wanna see what happens. Hold my beer.”
Depends on whether it merely reverses the polarity of the neutron flow or actually DOES something. ^_^
Being a former engineering major, one of my personal favorites is “hey, are these parts important for anything?” Always a classic, IMHO.
There are actually good reasons to make the power supply “easily” removable. 1.) replacement, 2.) emergency maintenance, 3.) emergency Get It The Hell Away ejection. Besides, usually if your opponent has gotten personal enough to be removing armor plates, you’ve lost.
Now putting it behind a very noticeable and important-looking piece of armor, that’s a design flaw.
I think one of the evil overlord rules is ‘always put the really important stuff behind the door marked Sewage Treatment Facilities’.
Funny, I thought it was the “Janitor” closet.
At least in Iron Man’s case, it’s not behind a noticeable piece of armor. It’s behind, and directly connected, to the strongest weapon on his suit and trying to yank it out means standing in front of said weapon.
Yea, you may need access to the supply too!
See also entry #9 on the legendary Evil Overlord List.
https://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
Says the guy who routinely has Astra comment, “What could possibly go wrong?”
“Hey watch this.” is the number one thing said before someone hurts themselves, and ‘I wonder what this does.’ falls equally in between.”
Now, now. “I wonder what this does” is partially how we end up with science getting done! So, as long as Hiro documents the results of his experiment, he’s contributing to science.
Here, hold my beer and watch this!!!
The difference between screwing around and science is writing it down. -Adam Savage
Writing it down IN ADVANCE!
That is, you write down what you are about to do and (at least) what outcome you hope for. Possibly supplemented by some other plausible outcomes. And if there is any perceived risk of an explosion, you make sure a copy of that writing is well outside the possible blast zone.
Then when the experiment is done (assuming you are alive) you add to that document a description of what actually happened. If it’s an experiment that takes a while to happen, you may while it’s happening write descriptions of intermediate events.
Also, replicability of the results.
Quick! Find us another of these golems!
What could possibly go wrong?
The orphans are going to have the best Christmas ever this year!
The classical police line:
“I’m retiring today”
No, no. It’s not “hey watch this.” It’s “hold my beer and watch this!”
Anvil diving behind Halo for cover is a lot funner than it should be; I think it’s the “kiddie jumping into the pool” pose that is doing it!
The expression too!
I didnt realize it the first pass, had to double back.
That, and the fact that it’s Anvil, an Amazon strong woman, jumping behind Sydney, skinny white girl who happens to have a really strong force field. Granted, she’s probably in the team, she’s probably in top three of people to hide behind, after Archillies and Max.
Top three? Halo’s shield is LARGER, and more regularly shaped, than Achilles and Max. Also less likely to abruptly move in an unexpected direction during combat.
She’s #1 to hide behind.
He he. I had not thought about it this way, but yea. With her shield up, I think of her as Halo, the tank. With it down, she is Sydney the vulnerable nerd. But her visuals do not change, right enough.
I love that she has that much faith in Sydney’s shield, granted I would do the same in that situation.
I also just love how Hiro is just staring at it going, “Huh, this isn’t good.”.
Well, Anvil did just see how well Sydney’s shield held up to Anvil’s Dive Bombing Dive…
So, if it was telling the truth about not being a robot, does this mean that they just killed a person?
A terminator isn’t a robot either. That’s one of the big arguments in AI research, autonomous weapons…
There is a big difference between autonomous and cognitive. AI doesn’t necessarily need to move.
The question is, what’s the difference between artificial life and artificial intelligence?
I’ve never liked the term ‘artificial intelligence’. I just can’t see a system saying “I think therefore I am, but I feel so artificial”….
i think it works, the artificial bit is becuz humans were the source, not nature
Every human alive today was made by humans.
Except the first humans…They were made by something that was very nearly, but not quite, human.
yes thank you, i really needed those hairs split
What could possibly go wrong with weapons that think for themselves?
you could get thermostellar bombs that want to explode when they’re NOT supposed to, and have to be temporarily talked out of it?
If it is dead, and it was not a villainous ploy designed to give that impression incorrectly, then yes.
It expressed self-identity so should be considered a person.
However, if a person is trying to kill you, and poses a credible threat of doing so, then you are entitled to respond with lethal force, if it is necessary. The threat it posed was too great to risk a lesser option.
Despite killing a person, they have acted both morally and legally.
But I think Sydney will still feel very bad about that, none-the-less.
Technically, you did design a big evil (possibly-not-really-a-)robot….
I love how anvil is diving behind halo in the back.
LoL, I was just going to post that same thing :D
If the bad guys learned from Halo, they’d have known Maxima is Superman and that wouldn’t work. :p
Actually, superman has a really very serious weakness to mental assault like telepathy and being mesmerized. In one of the comics, he was in fact controlled by a vampire mesmerizing him at one point.
Magic of any kind tends to ruin his Wheaties…
Hence Shazam being the usual counter to Superman in that he has a comparable power set re: strength, flight and durability but you get to throw in magic too.
He still often times comes out of it all on his own. :p
Either way, Maxima is Superman. You’d also think if the traitor is part of the supernatural collective, they’d realize more about Maxima and how they’d need bigger guns around that time.
Though, if the golem has vampire powers, you’d think turning mist form would be one of it’s abilities, typical of vampires.
Anvil looks like she’s just floating there next to Sydney.
Simply caught mid dive :D
It is intended to have a Loony Tunes type feel to it, judging by Anvil’s expression and pose.
I mean, the reason power supplies are most often in the chest is because that is the best place to put them for a humanoid. The chest is the largest cavity requiring the least mobility making it both the largest place for something like a power supply and the easiest place to armor without losing function. It’s also centrally located, requiring the least redundancy in power transport. Where else would you put the power supply? Putting it in any extremity just makes it more vulnerable, not less. Also, if someone destroys your chest, even if you’re a robot, chances are you aren’t going to be accomplishing much after that anyway. All I’m saying is that it’s a cliche for a reason.
Catastrophic Vorch needs to be the name of a comic nerd metal band
*wags tail musically*
“I’d hide a claymore behind the glowy plate.”
The claymore would then explode into the robot as well as at the attacker. I suppose we could put some shielding behind the claymore, but whatever fell into this trap is likely to be tough and it’s likely to be hard to have enough boom to bother the attacker without threat to the robot. It might be better to just have more armor, and a note saying “fooled you”.
“I fooled you, I fooled you
I got pig iron, I got pig iron
I got all pig iron”
Rock Island Line….
Your the first person I met online that knew Johnny Horton.
To be honest, I first heard Johnny Cash’s version, but Johnny Horton’s version is also pretty darned cool.
I assume you’re referring to the explosive charge itself, not the steel balls it fires. In which case, you’re right; 5 meters (16.4 feet) is considered the minimum safe distance, because of the concussion wave. That’s not counting hearing; without ear protection, the blast wave can still rupture an eardrum from as far away as 50 meters. But I doubt a robot (or golem) would be vulnerable to having its eardrums ruptured.
Er, whoops. I misread… it’s 15 to 16 meters (~50 feet), not 5 meters.
That’s pretty much the plot from Juggernaut.
Bombs on ship. Have to disarm. Obvious access panel has crazy amount of wires, traps, sensors etc. behind it. First team triggers photoelectric sensor, goes boom. Second team gets through all the traps but finds no detonator (there may have been a note…I can’t recall). Real detonator behind hidden panel in bottom of bomb.
…Likely? The power source requires cooling. And, it’s so powerful, they couldn’t STOP the glow.
Anvil clearly has a well-developed sense of self-preservation…
That comes with not dieing, especially in a stupid way…
Anvil does not want to be the first super hero to earn a Darwin Award.
I have difficulties to see if it’s the needle’s shadow we see on maxima’s arm, or if the needle pierced her skin. (Though, the color would be weird in that case, as maxima has blue blood)
i think it seared her skin when it scraped across it
Though I do wonder why Maxima went up close and personal with it when told about the risks instead of flying fucking high up and hitting it with a high powered energy beam.
Perhaps it is because Maxima has shown on several occasions to not be the most competent person, when it comes to paying attention to tactical situations? I mean, Superwoman has to have some flaws, otherwise she becomes the least interesting character in the strip. Oh, wait…she already is that…
I’ll take long series of comics by the masterful creator of this webcomic filled with the rest of the cast on any day ending in a Y. ;)
(This message brought to you by the readers who enjoy this webcomic quite a bit, thank you, no need to suddenly attack this post, its an opinion, just like the one you have.)
Have a look back a few pages and see what happened when Sydney used her energy attack on the construct. The shield it raised deflected the attack, which ended up burning down the forest!
Assuming that Sydney’s pip boy is transmitting footage back to Archon (like in the first battle) then Maxima will have been notified that the construct has that capability.
What they do not know is how powerful it may be. It may potentially be able to reflect even a top-level attack by Maxima. Meaning that it could kill any of the team members in its path*. And whatever chunk of the city it might hit too.
Whereas Pixel has demonstrated that attacking it hand to hand can damage it. This is the much more controllable option too. So Maxima made a sound judgement call.
Anybody claiming that her judgement was flawed is using hindsight and is not basing their judgement on information that Maxima had at her disposal, at the time she had to decide ‘attack or do not attack’. The only other person present who could engage it, without great risk, is Sydney. As an untrained rookie that is wholly inappropriate, with Maxima there. Given that Maxima is a veteran combatant, with super fight experience from more than one war.
* Perhaps including Sydney if Maxima’s full-strength blast exceeds her shields defense. Maxima did warn Sydney that the nuke-like attack was NOT at Maximas full power.
“If I designed a big evil robot,”
But Dave, YOU designed this robot :P
Noooooope… He designed Sciona who designed the robot. It wasn’t him it was the half headed crazy pants.
+1
The way I was reading the comic and the commentary, that’s the reason that, when Hiro pulled the panel, he found himself holding the arcane version of a petard with a lit fuse. The power source isn’t there. That’s a bomb. Meant to blow up anybody who shows themselves to be capable of disabling the golem, presumably to avoid information leak — can’t learn a lot from a golem that’s been vaporized. Especially if you were vaporized too. Most of the “Hiro got lucky” bit is sarcasm.
(Sidenote: if everybody is being sarcastic about that being the golem’s power source and I’m just super-slow on the uptake, please excuse me. I haven’t been sleeping well.)
It is a perfectly viable interpretation that it is a booby trap (and you are not the only one to suggest that).
But the power source one is likewise, and has some features that support it well. For instance we see arcing from the laser spikes, to the ‘power source’. This is a clue that stuff is happening which it was not designed for. Naturally enough, given that the laser claws are a recently copied power, rather than being part of the original design.
Personally I am not fussed which. Sciona certainly is clever, and I would find a booby trap credible. However nobody can anticipate weird interactions with stolen powers, so the explosion may equally just be a fluke accident.
Plus it has even been postulated (see further down the page) that it is not even an explosion (despite the appearance). Combining that with the ‘booby trap’ idea that you have proposed, it may actually be some kind of special attack form.
Maybe something totally new (say turning everyone into mist, vampire style, but with no control over ending it) or just an area effect version of one of the other powers (such as copying powers from everyone)?
It does not have a particular ‘blood magic’ feel to it though. So I am more inclined to go with the ‘power plant explosion’, until we see the results of the VORCH.
Ooo, a power-swap bomb, like in Spinnerette (although, not sure why Spinny got to keep her extra limbs when she acquired Greta’s ‘powers’)
Let the speculizationing begin on who swaps powers with whom, although it’s most likely just going to be Maxi and Hiro (seeing how Sydney is Bubbled and Anvil is behind said Bubble), but, depending on how far the radius is… there is still Bodie and Pixel (although, that could mean the end of Pixel: without her were-generation she may die from her injuries before she figures out how to *VORP* :cry: )
Something like a wizard switching his brain with another organ, before battling mind-flayers. And no – it didn’t like the taste.
i love how anvil is diving behind halo thats great
… good news, Sydney starting a forest fire will be easy overlooked after this goof.
Heh. Not overlooked so much as both being accepted as the kind of problems that can happen when you are fighting super/supernatural opponents. Plus Sydney had a shedload of mitigating circumstances, such as being an untrained rookie.
Not that, if you analyse it objectively, Maxima made a mistake here. Somebody had to engage it, and Maxima was the most logical one, of the individuals present. The only other viable alternative was said untrained rookie. Which would be an unacceptable option, for that reason.
This is the job of the team tank. Get the enemy’s attention, and hold it, by the
testiclestentacle, until the tank’s allies can finish it off. Not that I have a great fondness of the tanking role, but Maxima did it well here.You can bet though that both of those actions will be carefully analysed in debriefings, even if Dave chooses to spare us having to sit though that.
He has shown us the procedure though, so we know that they do not shy away from discussing failings (perceived or actual, as they may be), regardless of who it involved. And it was clear that there was more to the debriefing than just the bits we got shown.
… my comment was meant to be jokingly superficial though thanks for the in depth response. Thought it was funny to pointing out how any collateral damage caused by Sydney will soon be overshadowed.
Your right it is something to expect in a super human battle with a weapon built to counter supers though I still think it’s funny the biggest ‘oops’ moment came from the two battle harden veterans as the third dives behind the rookie who just set the forest on fire.
+1
The humour was appreciated, as per my opening. Your post was just thought-provoking too. Plus you are pointing out a nice irony.
Panel four shows a seriously pissed off Maxi (note the subtle shift in eye brow between that panel and panel two)
Agreed. Plus it hints at her ongoing mental (and physical) struggle. Note how many frames that it takes for Maxima to deal with just the one tentacle. With Hiro’s help, at that. Although Max seemed to be coping, she was not making much headway.
I think the eye close-ups though are due to DaveB‘s decision to emphasise certain things. And it worked very effectively here.
Is it just me or does Anvil look like she is trying to dive into Sydney’s shield?
No. Yes.
However with a transparent shield that is very hard to depict to avoid the impression. Although we can deduce that Anvil has to be going behind it, as we have not seen Halo being able to let people in and out of it, without lowering it completely.
It’s a shame that the Cylons weren’t built that way*, it would have been a lot harder for them to rebel and wreck the civilisation of the 12 colonies that way.
*unless they were, I’m not in charge of Cylon blueprints
The humans may not have disabled their power supplies, but I think they did at least manage to hack into and disrupt the targeting systems of the 1970’s vintage models. Those guys couldn’t hit a target to save their cybernetic souls.
It is worth bearing in mind that the panel would almost certainly resist being ripped open by even the strongest human. Likewise one on a cylon, I would imagine. Super Hiro is almost as strong as Maxima though*, so he could probably pull any bit off of it that he chose. Heavily armoured or otherwise.
Given that it was designed to fight top-tier supers, this is a design flaw. But not necessarily one that could have been avoided. But putting the access hatch in a less obvious place, or, even better, concealing it, may have helped.
If it could be made invulnerable though, I am sure Sciona would have done that. But even I cannot figure out a way she could draw blood from Achilles, with the resources at her disposal.**
* At her strongest at that. Given that Maxima cannot be that strong all the time, Hiro actually is stronger than her on average. Maxima can cheat though and bump up her strength at the times that it is necessary (unless she needs the capability elsewhere such as needing maxed out defense against Vehemence).
** Krona may be able to alter Achilles, to allow that, but nothing else we know of could. Although there are plenty of unknown possibilities in a universe with many aliens, supers, and other supernatural types.
so, am i the only one that read “skash” as “yoink”? :P
Heh. Possibly. But it fits.
My favorite bit is Anvil jumping behind Sydney’s shield.
is that a shadow for the laser? at first i thought it had cut her but that certainly looks like it could be a shadow do lasers have shadows? i must know for science !!!
Currently, there is a ‘friendly discussion’ about it on the first page, but it’s more likely to be a shadow than a scratch
And it’s not likely to be a laser, but more a laser-coated spike, like the spikey bits on NotBot’s ball
Why not hide the power source in the codpiece? It’s a large part of most fictional robots with no other reason to look at and most people will be irrationally against inspecting it too closely.
*no other reason to exist, not sure what happened there.
I am sure that Freud would have an explanation.
If you are worried about that though, do not watch Zone of the Enders. You will just keep wondering why does that giant girl robot have a huge cock?
Plus it is very hard trying to enjoy a big robot fight, when you wince every time their pilots are nearly crushed in a penis on penis collision!.
Other than that though, it was fairly enjoyable.
Budding real-life mecha designers please note that putting your pilot in the most exposed position possible is not a good idea! If you want a humanoid robot, that can use hands, make sure that killing the pilot does not happen if you drop something heavy!
Personally, I’d hide the power supply behind a fake power supply. Because what is the first thing you’d think when you found a fake power supply. “Damn! They must have put the power supply somewhere else!”
Every component in a device uses up valuable space and resources. Even fake ones.
A more efficient alternative would be to have two power supplies. Consider how the Arnold Schwarzenegger model terminator does just that.
““Also who keeps their power supply behind an easily removable armored plate?””
I imagine everyone who thinks their power supply may be a touch unstable. And people who buy cordless drills.
+1
I love Anvil’s nope dive behind Sidney in that last panel. The look on her face is classic and that pose. I laughed more at that than I should have.
It is amazing that Dave can have the expression stand out, at a glance, for such teeny background figures!
“VORCH” is not the sound I associate with an explosion. This fight ain’t over.
That is entirely possible. Plus the under-comic note may just be a red-herring, and only there for the laughs it gives. But it is worth pointing it out, due to the alternative:
Anvil though certainly is anticipating an explosion, judging from the way she is diving for cover.
* The fact that it is not a robot may support the red-herring option.
“huh, that’s odd” is another one that you never want to hear from your tech support.
The worst thing ever to hear from your tech support is: “Oops”
Or from your surgeon.
But interesting to hear it from your mortician.
Yorp wins the internet.
if you hear it from YOUR mortician then there’s a larger question in my mind, namely why are you conscious during the procedure, morticians are called that cuz they deal with dead bodies, the mort bit is from Latin for dead/death stuff, so if you hear them say oops then are you undead? or conventionally alive and there was a mixup, or is it a tax dodge by faking your death except now you’re undergoing an involuntary dissection? ofc involuntary, the law doesn’t provide for asking dead ppl if it’s alright with them if they get cut open, so yeah interesting is like a Bag of Holding of 1 word containing so very much potential worm-in-can
See? Interesting!
Annnnd that’s a 6.7 for the dive by Anvil! Form was a touch juvenile, but the timing was impeccable!
And did Anvil get caught in the explosion? Hopefully not, ideally she’d be ju-ust a bit outside”
Remote or multiple delocalized power plants, that’s the way to go. Also have many mock weak points that are actually mammary traps.
If you can do that, yes. Sometimes engineering (or enchanting) practicalities do not allow such luxuries. Just consider tanks lack the principles you state, as an example.
However you are right that it can be done other times. Look at how some fantasy works give invulnerability to characters, because their vital organs are stored elsewhere. Not quite what you said, but similar enough to indicate that magical principles could support that.
Yeah, most tanks don’t typically go for redundancy because they need to be compact and anything energetic enough to breach your armor is going to pulp your vital everything. Planes do engine redundancy well for being on the opposite end of the spectrum. Magic can do whatever it wants because it’s magic and it can do whatever it wants.
and then there’s how liches do it, altho that might be what you meant by the vital organs, i forget what all is involved with lichdom
I’ll be honest here, I’m not really sure what is going on.
In the first couple panels, I would guess that Max is resisting the mesmerize thing, but then, what is happening after that? Is the tentacle successfully retrieving a sample, or what? What is Max trying to do in the second-to-last panel?
No. She grabbed the tentacle before it could touch her skin. Or it failed to penetrate her skin, one of the two. (Interpretations vary.)
She’s thrown the tentacle away. The golem or robot or whatever-it-is either fell over after Hiro removed that panel, or it was shoved over by Max. Either way, she’s either trying to maneuver away from the impending VORCH, or she’s maneuvering to deliver another beatdown.
+1
Additionally, regarding Max in the last panel it is worth pointing out that she must still be struggling to act. Just dealing with one tentacle, in the five panels we see her reacting to its attack, shows she is performing massively below par. Contrast that to her dealing with the grenade attack, and the manikin that fired it, in the blink of a bunny’s eye.
So whilst Maxima is fighting off the mesmerisation attack, it is with extreme difficulty, and is requiring an ongoing effort to carry on doing so. She has not simply ‘snapped out of it’.
Super Hiro’s help was most timely!
but isn’t performing below par good? par is from golf yes? if golfers perform below par they do well, altho ofc i think par also is translatable as equal, oh and Paris has that name, so i’ve heard, cuz when they originally founded it they said it would be on par with some legendary city called Ys, i think the original spelling was Parys
The objective is to have an end score with more pluses than minuses. Therefore having a negative score is a bad thing.
Don’t forget this classic line…
“I attack the Gazebo with my +1 Mace!”
*rolls dice Your mace smashes some of the siding from one of the pillars holding the gazebo up! Fortunately your instincts were correct as you hear it howl and the roof begins to slam down on top of you. roll to dodge Frank.
BIll You see franks barbarian begin to decimate the gazebo as if it were alive. He is jumping and rolling as if he were under attack What does your mage do. oh and roll save vs magic.
You know.. I cant help but Feel that Anvil is Mini Diving into Halo’s Shield at this point. Would love to have seen a little opening for her in panel. Or the size to fit her waist up as she diving in lol. No sure what shes really doing but its funny.
Anvil is (correctly) anticipating that yanking something critical out of a super-weapon-of-war may cause a catastrophe. Given that the thing in question appears to be energetic, in nature (glowing and attracting energy from the laser claws being clues), it is worth bearing in mind that Anvil’s kinetic absorption offers no protection from an energy blast. It could very easily kill her!
As such, Anvil is diving behind Halo’s force field, to get cover.
Hell yea!