Grrl Power #465 – Perejoika
I implore you to read Sydney’s last bubble in the most Smirnoffy accent you can. I won’t say this joke was a prime motivation for the entire Sigil story arc… but it was definitely one of the first gags I wrote down when I started putting ideas for it together… and this was like, well before page 200.
It played out slightly differently in my head. Ingsol’s speech about the horrors of Vampire starvation was longer and more harrowing to give it more gravitas, and I really wanted a pause panel of Sydney glancing around while Ingsol continued to pose dramatically, like she’s thinking “Should I say it? What a set up! How can I not say it?” And the final panel, Sydney’s expression was supposed to be a little goofier, like maybe a bit wall-eyed, like she’s, well, really leaning into the impression. Alas, I drew her eyes like 5 times and never really got them quite right. Still I think it came out pretty good.
Panel 2 also suffered from a lack of space on the page. I wanted it to be a lot more chaotic in the background, like a nurse with with an armful of those blood packets running away from another vampire and a couple more drinking from a “keg” of blood or something equally ridiculous. (Suzie isn’t injured in that picture, she was just caught in the Vampire equivalent of someone popping the cork on the champagne.) There’s only so much space on one page.
#MakeComics: More from the eat my cake and have it too files:
Stuff I cut:
Ingsol prefacing his speech in panel 2 with more vamp history. I pulled it for space but also it was a little redundant with him telling Sydney of prior purges of creatures that couldn’t keep their bloodthirst under control: “Some strains of wampirism produce wiolent and feral sirelings. These have been largely culled, but an individual’s reaction upon embracing the night is alvays a vild card.”
Sydney still hoping for a workaround – cut for space and being entirely tangential to the page: “So no uh, Synthaglobin in the real world yet?”
Ingsol: “Vat?”
Sydney: “You know, synthetic… Oh I’ll just say it. TruBlood.”
Ingsol: “No, however we can survive on any mammalian blood quite easily.”
Sydney: “I bet Human bloods tastes best though, right?”
Ingsol: “Indeed. Also there is a certain… sensual component to feeding, so feeding on animals is qvite stigmatized.”
Sydney: “So it’s fair to say you guys have a real food fetish, huh?”
Ingsol: (giving her ‘the stare’) “…”
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Transylvania is CLOSE to Russia….
so is the Ukraine Russia hasn’t bean the best neighbour over the years
Only if you’r an American. Otherwise a vampire would have to either walk on water, across the entire Black Sea, to get there. Or would need to travel the length of Ukraine, which is one of the bigger countries in Europe, and even longer than the sea route.
Bear in mind in the US, some states apparently have maps of the world as “USA and Not USA”. One of the funnier ones I found was https://alphadesigner.com/blog/world-according-united-states/
Or if you want an accurate one: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/world_according_to_americans.png
Bear in mind, driving across the entire length of Ukraine is about the same as driving from Rapid City, South Dakota to Green Bay, Wisconsin. Even the largest European nations are dwarfed by the US, and for those of us in the habit of driving across states, a mere 12 hour Ukraine drive isn’t special. To us, yes, that is close.
However it is if you become crispy fried in sunlight.
Drive overnight. Right now the time between sundown and sunrise in Ukraine is about 13 hours and getting longer as winter approaches.
or make renfield do the driving
Factor in crossing multiple international borders (the southern parts of Transylvania are in Bulgaria). Including extremely hostile ones, with ongoing shelling and attacks! I have known people held up four days on just the Romanian border. And that is a peaceful one.
Would you be willing to stake your life on not being delayed by an hour or two, even if it is just by traffic and routine border inspections?
If so, I doubt you would reach Ingsol’s age.
Hurr hurr, stake your life. Geddit.
Wear sunscreen.
Lots and lots of sunscreen.
That’s when a vampire would have a human minion drive the (appropriately shaded) limo while he’s in the back taking a coffin break.
But yeah, significant travel distances does put a lot of imposed logistics on vampires. They very rarely, if ever, take long trips unless it’s a matter of unlife or true death to them.
Indeed. Especially when crossing international borders. Given that customs agents will want to know what is in the box, so it is likely to be opened. Net result crispy pile of dust.
“100 years is a long time in America, 100 miles is a long way in England.”
It’s funny that you mention Rapid City as that’s where I’m from. I haven’t driven to Wisconsin but I have gone to Vegas & back several times by car. Also Boise Idaho, Flint Michigan, Leesville Louisiana, lots of other places.
During a weekend leave from boot camp in San Antonio, had a coupla buddies from back east rent a car for the day. They were gone about 4 hours, came back all hot & sweaty and dehydrated. “Did you know that far [spreads finger and thumb about 2 inches] is 300 miles on a Texas road map?”
They thought they were gonna hop over to the beach at Corpus Christie.
Even Americans are frequently unprepared to understand just how big Texas really is – on a trip from Los Angeles to Miami, one third of the drive (about 900 miles) is in Texas
Canada thinks Bigger.
https://universalromance.tumblr.com/post/48114076127/fergusmacleod13-suklaaaa-bunnyinafez
Well, Dracula got to London alright. I think their might have been water crossings involved. Could have taken the ice bridge from Russia to Scotland I guess.
Dracula initially travelled from Varna (where I do my shopping) to England by ship. Travelling across the Black Sea, through the Turkish Straits, along the Mediterranean, through the Straits of Gibraltar, then following the Iberian coastline, up the Atlantic, to arrive in England during a storm.
Presently I have a friend making the same trip (starting and destination points wise), but by car. Taking the anti-clockwise route, to avoid the mountains. Going through Romania and Germany (amongst other countries), to end in France, so that he can catch a ferry from Calais to Dover. He is midway through the four day journey.
Ice bridge from Russia to Scotland? You mean the North Sea. The last time there was anything remotely seen as bridge across there (and it was connected to Scandinavia which you have to get through before even getting to Russia) was Doggerland at around 8,000 BCE (now lying beneath the southern North Sea). It was gradually flooded by rising sea levels around 6,500–6,200 BCE at the end of the last Ice Age Maximum/
If looks could kill, Scarlet would have eviscerated Sydney.
*Scarlett
*grumbles about autocorrect*
she looks like she is willing lasers to shoot from her eyes
JoJo?
Looks can kill, but only from the Gorgon faction.
Heh.
Some Witches should also have the “Evil eye” that can kill.
There was also “Balor of the Evil Eye” in Celtic lore.
A lot of creatures should have lethal gazes, heck even elves should be able to cause sickness with a gaze.
IIRC some of the Unseelie are plaguebringers
And anyone who’s also a mother.
Hey Mama Mama: https://vanheist.deviantart.com/art/Hey-Mama-Mama-9-458089278 (and the next two)
Don’t fuck with Mothers.
But…but…they can’t become mothers unless you do…
;)
That’s not fucking with. That’s just fucking. Big difference.
my question whould have been dose the blood have to be human. we kill enough cows and pigs. though it could mean the cost of my black pudding go’s up (British blood sausage)
I think you just cracked why English blood sausage is popular in the first place.
There are a lot of vampires there.
thats british not english. england is that guy everyone wishes wouldn’t be at christmas dinner but you need to invite him anyway.
the popularity of black pudding has everything to do with the fact it tastes delicious. most people are put off becose they know what it is befor they try it. a lot of brits try it long before they know what it is. how long were you eating sausages before you knew what went into making them?
There is a big difference between sausage and black pudding, and they are made from completely different products. You would not mistake one for another when eating them, as the latter is definitely an acquired taste, having a very strong and distinctive flavour.
One other thing is do not mistake the black pudding’s line about it being ‘commonly eaten in Great Britain, Ireland and parts of Europe’ as indicating that it is a widely popular dish. It is distinctly regional and does not even feature in the list of favourite British dishes. It is worth pointing out that several other regional dishes (such as Cornish ice cream, Cornish pasty, Mushy peas, Cornish fudge, Irish stew and dumplings, Haggis and tatties, Cockles and mussels plus Jellied eels all do.
the remark about sausages was not to say thy are the same (though both tend to be made of pork) just to illustrate the age at which you start eating them is a lot lower than the age when you understand what it is you are eating
and in fact black pudding does appear in that list black pudding is in fact part of the full english breakfast it is just not included in that pic/description
as for black pudding being regonal you are half right the recipe is regional but it is eaten throughout the uk. so much so that it is rare to find a grocery store that does not sell it
if you google image search full english breakfast 8 of the first 12 have black pudding clearly visible
It however does not feature in the full English breakfast everywhere. The reason why you had several hits without them is because they are not popular in various parts of the country. Available, yes (if you seek it out), best-seller, no.
Which also accounts for why it does not sell well nationwide. Because it is a strongly flavoured item, people will tolerate it more if it is mixed in with other food. Or leave it on the plate. Just because it is served, does not mean it is eaten.
I am OK with it myself, by the way. It is not something I would order on its own mind. However I would not avoid it in a mixed dish, like that. I would usually cut it into small bits though, and eat other food with it, to dilute the taste to palatable levels.
i would not say it is strongly flavored. it has a less strong flavor than say smoked bacon
I live in a country where you generally cannot buy smoked bacon. Because they find the taste too strong. All things are relative.
I live in a country where I have smoked my own bacon. Because the end result is worth the work. But then again, I also have made my own beer, wine, and mead. Oh, and cheese, although I gave up on that because the better cheeses take a lot more work and a lot more difficult to find ingredients.
I draw the line at bread, although my older sister makes her own constantly. I don’t need another machine to be hauling in and out of cupboards, and the specialty loaves I can buy at the grocery are fine by me for both flavor and price. Wegman bread molds fast, but Giant bread seems to have more preservatives and will last long enough to finish it even if you aren’t eating it every day.
Just the smell of cooking bacon, even unsmoked, is too strong for me.
@Oberon:
This seems like a good place to add a preservative-based quip.
I don’t object to the use of preservatives in prepared food. What I object to is a loaf of bread that has a potentially longer lifespan than I do!
(I don’t remember which comedian said that. If anyone knows, feel free to comment.)
Bread is the only thing I can and will do myself. No need for machines, just my oven!
I can make it like I want it, smells great and tastes great too. Although I do also buy from the grocery store when lazy. Luckily we have a lot of bread without preservatives and other crap I don’t want.
Also got black/blood pudding for dinner sometimes when I was a child. Here (aka Sweden) it wasn’t a common meal but cheap, happend it got served at school too but these days it’s more rarely eaten. Haven’t eaten it in years…I want some now though. Mmm with either lingonberry or raspberry jam or butter.
@MSpears… Nah. that’s the Mcdonalds FRIES that will live longer than you, as well as Twinkies… the bread just mutates into something ELSE that’ll live longer than you, but at that point it ain’t “bread” anymore…
I take the lazy route and buy mine. Although my dad did bake his own, for years. Which was a nice treat, when visiting, having the smell of freshly baked bread, to tempt me into having breakfast.
One thing that Bulgaria is very good at is baked goods. Tending to favour those for breakfast, over things like cereals. I have gotten used to being able to pick up any brand of bread (favouring the white stuff), in any shop, and having it taste yummy.
Yet when I shop in the UK half of it now tastes horribly plasticky! Which really bugged me over the last couple of years visiting. So I kept an eye on which ones stuck to the roof of my mouth and lacked any character, other than plastic texture. The warning labels tend to be things like “smooth style”. Apparently it is deliberate, and people actually buy the revolting stuff!
Urgh. That sounds both gross and unpleasant Yorp. Self I’m a wholegrain, sourdoughs and dark bread kind of person. I actually don’t like the taste of white bread.
@ MSpears
I don’t have any fear of preservatives. But I do become annoyed when the loaf of bread I bought turns several colors of mold on day 4.
@ Iguana-on-a-stick
My sisters bread machine seems to be stronger than my mixmaster (I haven’t looked to see). And she also has a mixmaster, and still bought the bread machine. If you don’t use a machine, how do you mix the stuff? I’ve made dough for pizza and pie crusts, and that I did by hand, but those batches are smaller and I’d think that plain bleached flour is easier to mix than more esoteric grains.
@Oberon Depends on the bread I make but usually an eletric handmixer with dough hooks on or hands. That and anger. Yes I bake with anger not love, the dough can handle it. I guess that is a machine but it’s something standard here and I didn’t need to buy it for my breadmaking ;p.
Although I would like to have a nice stand mixer. Would make it easier and more comfortable. Hmm checking google a mixmaster is a type/brand of stand mixers? Or similar at least.
You to not need a machine to bake bread. I’m not even sure my own mother used an electric mixer.
I do. It is that or a wife. If I am ever to get one, I must not be fussy enough to add silly things like ‘must be able to cook’.
Ooh, ooh, or a servant.
Mmm. Plans A, B & C all require a big chunk of money….
Meh, shop bought will do. D ✔
But machines doesn’t make you able to bake bread D: As His Imperial Majesty -Curtsies and lifts hat- also says you don’t need those things. An easy recipe is good for start. I’m sure you can Yorp, you’re such a good boy after all. Yes you are!
When it comes to baking a good tip is to blend all dry ingredients by themselves. (Unless you need to do specific steps) since that makes the blending with the less dry ingredients much easier.
*wags tail*
I just lack the patience. All the meals I make need to take no more than ten minutes from starting to sitting down and eating it. Barring ones where I can leave the cooking running and get on with other things until a timer dings.
So I will oven cook various chicken bits, for example. But just sprinkle my favourite all-purpose seasoning on it, rather than do anything more complicated, or time-consuming. Maximum taste, minimum effort.
I tried a Black pudding once. Didn’t like it.
I fought a Black Pudding once. Didn’t like it.
I got eaten by a Black Pudding once. Gave it indigestion.
A black pudding ate my longsword once. I didn’t like it.
A Black Pudding fought me once. Didn’t like it.
Black Pudding …..
….Mmmmmm :-)
I thought the politically-correct term was African-American pudding…
Political Correctness…Isn’t.
not when the countries “America”, NOR “Africa” even EXIST they don’t…
Actually, Africa always existed back then, it is ‘America’ that is a new
scantrontb was being sneaky in inserting “countries” in his comment. As they are continents, he is technically correct, in claiming that they do not exist.
It is a silly term though. Using the same logic, I should be described as an “African Bulgarian” having been born in the former, but living in the latter. And if anyone tries to say that ‘it should be based on your genetic ancestry’ I still qualify as being of African ancestry. We all do.
Mum was born in Rhodesia, so was second oldest sister (eldest was born in Malawi), actually get offended by claims that all “African Americans” have to be black, moreso when the majority of them don’t even know which part of Africa their ancestors came from
not really… i was referring to the various people claiming to have fought the Dungeons and Dragons Monster; the “Black Pudding”… and since DnD does NOT take place on EARTH… therefore America and Africa DO NOT EXIST!
Ahh, in which case you are mistaken, as I have played a number of D&D games set on Earth, including both North America and Africa. Such are quite common, even if it is just the typical trick of starting play with the characters being based on the players themselves, before being sucked off into some other adventure-filled dimension.
Had a black pudding attack my friends/players/victims they killed the pudding, then the goblings but they molested the blue dragon so it ran away. Attack from behind and a 1 on the D20 and the spear (magic chaos spear) ended up in a painfull non deadly place. Poor ass moleted dragon. It return later in the game fore revenge.
I wonder if the council or Archon would be the ones to deal with a vampire doomsday like in the webcomic Thunderstruck. Basicly,name witch kept thousands of vamps in suspended animation. Push of a mystical button and poof, hungry insane vampires first all.
Also, Sydney, you really need to sign yourself for sensitivity training. Sooner or later someone might just belt you.
Sydney is an internet comments section come to life
Yes, she certainly does seem to have a well-organized meme library at her disposal…
:)
Probably a joint task force.
I know you’re talking about the response to the vampire apocalypse, but this also works in the hypothetical about Sydney’s sensitivity training. :P
And in a marijuana task force. Albeit that in some states it might be the task force members who are puffing away.
Might mellow her out a bit.
She already HAD sensitivy training either this morning or the day before.
Could be a side effect of taking her emergency “ADHD” pills.
More like her sense of humour outweighing both her political correctness training and her self-preservation instincts. Especially given the topic of conversation, over this and the previous page. Albeit that the ADHD will indeed help to distract her from that.
I don’t think this has anything to do with the pill that she took. I feel that she has a serious brain to mouth filter error, and hers needs to be replaced soon. Remember when she had to be silenced by Peggy when meeting George? Someone else needs to act as her filter at this time.
I expressly forbid you to try and replace Sydney’s brain!
The pills are to help reduce her ADHD by the way. They are not a cause of the problem, but an attempt to alleviate it. Of course Sydney is a lot more wacky than just accounted for by her ADHD. But it is a contributory factor.
We are unlikely to see Sydney being pushed to the background, by a spokesperson mind. For two reasons. Firstly she is funny. Secondly there is a real tactical advantage to having someone who can get away with saying such outrageous things, whilst being charming enough to pull it off. Archon may have discovered several useful new items of information, let slip by unsettled individuals, reacting to her antics.
up to a point i agree with you, but… there IS a (rapidly approaching) point at which her “antics” becomes seriously DISRUPTING to the meeting, and as such she SHOULD be ejected… not because “she’s a HUMAN” or because she’s a “Super”, or even as a member of Archon… but precisely because she can’t seem to keep her mouth SHUT during a “life and death” kind of SERIOUS meeting that SHE is the one causing havoc at, even AFTER she’s been told to zip-it by a few people already…
True. Although rule of funny does override that.
I actually feel that wouldn’t be a problem. Goths would be lining up to be vampire chew toys.
still only takes one to go nuts
Like, finding an Emo has turned up… after you took a sip :eek:
idk all that angst and self loathing might make them taste better
Nah, completely bitter
+1
Given that humans have a long and storied history of “going nuts” and causing all kinds of havoc, I’d think that condemning the entire vampire community for the actions of one would be a little hypocritical.
But then Trump wants to ban Muslims from entry into the US, so I guess it only takes one bigot to spoil things for the rest of us.
The moment you can generalize a group of people you can condemn them for a single individual’s misdeeds. Humanity has a serious “us and them” problem.
We should steer clear of specific political issues, as this is too likely to provoke heated arguments.
I will reply on this one point though, but in general terms. The example given was not just the actions of a single person, but has received the support of close to* half the country (clouded by the various other issues tied up in the voting).
This really should not be observed as a party political statement mind. It is just to show that a wide base of people either outright support the stance, or are willing to tolerate it. Further there are similar feelings in Europe, over such issues.
Something I am ashamed of is the massive leap in hate crimes, (both religious and racist), in the UK, since the Brexit vote. Whilst they are committed by individuals, and are only conducted by a very small percentage of the public, the effect on the victims, and everybody of a minority religion or race, is profound.
As it would be for the supernatural races. If just 1% of the population chose to attack them, in such ways, that would amount to 74,000,000 humans persecuting them!
* Above 40% counts, as far as I am concerned.
I was referring mostly to the anti-vampire racism as I am well aware that talk of serious political issues and even some less serious ones (boaty mc.boatface) can get out of hand very quickly.
Yorp wasn’t meaning you
I’m certain he meant me. I just figured that when the author pokes fun at Fox news, which is strongly tied to the Republican party, that a poke at Trump, who isn’t even a Republican but more of a chameleon demagogue who managed to become the Republican candidate, was fair game.
Now that’s a good name for a band..
“Chameleon Demagogue!”
One, I don’t think Fox News is anymore closely tied to the Republican party than ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC are tied to the Democrat party; second, Trump called for a temporary hiatus on Muslim immigration, especially from areas with a high incidence of Islamic terrorism until better vetting procedures can be found, not a ban.
That should have been first and second, not one and second. Oh, for an edit feature.
Fair to have a rebuttal. But we already attracted in one extremist, on the previous comic, by getting too political. So it is safest to leave it there.
Just for the purposes of avoiding a need for a rebuttal to your rebuttal, and for the sake of being pedantic, I should point out that what you described was a ban. Just a temporary one.
There was a further point that I felt the need to add, to correct the statement fully, but deleted it, as it would only serve to prolong the debate, rather than end it.
You think wrong. Go for facts, they work better than guesses.
At least Fox news isn’t even alleged to have given anyone the debate questions in advance. Also, there is a reason why CNN is referred to as the Clinton News Network. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. So I’d say you are the wrong thinking one.
Fox Entertainment gave the debate questions to Trump.
There, now you’ve seen an allegation with just as much validity as the one against CNN. Seriously, did you actually say that an allegation is always true and must be held against the person implicated? Really?
No, one guy with an axe to grind against Fox news claiming that a separate division of the corporation gave Trump the debate questions does not in fact have the validity of the multiple allegations of CNN giving the questions to the head of the DNC to pass on to the Clinton campaign. Even if it did, since the only debates that Fox hosted were Republican primary debates, you are now arguing against your original point.
So, do vampires have bottled blood? And if so, does it come in different price levels, based on the type of animal the blood came from?
it come in bags like Canadians and their milk
Blimey, I thought that I had reached my limit of surprises over Canadians, when I found out that their heads flapped open, as they talk!
to day is canada’s thanksgiving
Phew. Hopefully they will all be too stuffed, with turkey and bagged milk, to take offence.
Happy Thanksgiving!
You hope in vain, you have been added to “The List.”
*cries*
Don’t worry, it’s a Canadian list. Worst case scenario you get a politely worded letter.
We use to have bagged milk over here as well, not sure if we still do or if it’s just glass and cardboard now
It’s still widely used in South America, although it comes in other types of packages as well.
As a Canadian I found the bagged milk thing weird too. Apparently it’s a thing in Ontario.
It’s an udderly ridiculous thing to do. Canadians should keep abreast of current packaging innovations.
Before you milk this topic for all it’s worth, you should remember that it’s possible that consumers might be too cowed to ask for another packaging material.
“Pull the other one”
Said the bull to the new milkmaid, nodding towards the cow.
this is getting udder-ly ridiculous
That’s only people in Ontario. there’s a hell of a lot more country in Canada, despite what Ontarians tell you :P
Scarlett with her “been there, done that” nod.
I once read a story of a young vampire that refused to accept his condition, and eventually the thirst made him nearly kill his family.
The older vampire then explains that he got of easy.
Talking about herself? Or Inggie? o_O
Or maybe she knows that Inggie is nuts :P
She has lived over a hundred years. Doubtless she will have seen the results, first hand, during that time. I doubt that either she or Ingsol will have descended all the way into madness, during that time though. He is clearly adept at long-term survival, and will have kept them both in situations where they are fairly safe, most of the time.
But she will have experienced lesser symptoms, along that scale. Especially, for example, if they were in Europe, during WWII. There are few areas which did not have either rationing or even starvation, amongst humans. So there will doubtless have been similar problems for vampires, with break downs in supply chains, volunteers being killed in bombing, etc.
In this case, was meaning that she knows Inggie is crazy in the coconut
“But she will have experienced lesser symptoms, along that scale. Especially, for example, if they were in Europe, during WWII.”
If a vampire can feed from a fresh corpse (not that different that form a blood bag, I guess) I think it could have been exactly the opposite: a time to feast.
I doubt if they can. Corpses do not bleed. Without a heart beating, to pump it round, the flow stops and coagulation sets in fast.
Which is not to say that vampires could not find food, in a bombing raid. There will be more injured than dead. But it is at a risk of being exposed. And would not sit well with any who chose to eat ethically.
If their regular donors are dead though, they face a tough dilemma. Feed on unwilling strangers, try to recruit them (either route risking exposure) or wait until the supply can be safely reestablished. The latter being at considerable risk of gradually slipping into madness and a feeding frenzy.
Even if they’re hanged by the feet?
If it is done immediately on death, with suitable drainage points cut, before coagulation set in, I imagine that would work. Hunters could probably answer that better. If it works on game it will work on humans.
Good point, I didn’t take in account the lack of pulse. I guess that the solution is like Hielario said, and put the corpse in a slope :)
IIRC coagulation in an undamaged corpse starts after several hours. In a wounded corpse it starts normally at the wounds, ie after 3 minutes or so, but it do not expand to all the body, at least not quickly. That’s why the “livor mortis” have time to form and be used by CSI :)
I imagined that a vampire would have enough time to find one or more victims after a bombardment or a firefight, and be able to extract some amount before a complete bleeding or coagulation. Have in mind that they do not need too much if they can feed from a living person without killing them, say, half a litre?
Hey, they could run a refuge in a basement, honestly help to care and heal everyone they can and the ones who do not make it (surely a fair amount since, you know: war), well, not a total waste. People would give them food delivery! And also praise them for work so hard that they do not let themselves enjoy even one sunshine day :)
Hey Dave, did you ever think of making those cut scenes into quick, uncolored comics ? Like silly bonus skits for TWC or Patreon ?
I hadn’t really thought about that, but maybe I’ll try it at some point.
Okay, that one literally had me ROTFL.
No Syd, just no (still funny as hell though)
He does look a “little” Vladimir(ish) tbh……….
Any relation to one “Count Von Count” Ingsol?
Sydney couldn’t resist could she???
I wonder how the other council members react to Sydney, both those around the table and in the stands. Some smirks and laughter at Ingsol.
Specially from one particular follicle-y challenged wampire :P
Crud, I had meant to put chuckling from the gallery in the last panel, but I kept forgetting to do it. :/
Maybe a comment on next page “I have never seen anyone getting Ingsol riled up that fast before” “Snort, how did she do that?” “She’s funny lets keep them” “Azilus never made me laugh this much”
There is nothing quite like having a ‘live studio audience’.
So, Inggie is sedately walking? >_>
At least Sydney didn’t say Soviet Russia
I’m not that big in politics but, wasn’t the key part of the joke the “Soviet” thing?
If so, then it really would not apply to Ingsol. He was born hundreds of years before the variety of socialism, adopted by revolutionary Russia, was even invented. And it is no longer relevant today, for that matter, as Russia is (technically) a democracy.
Accents are regional in nature, as opposed to being political. It is also worth noting that Russia is huge and has an incredibly diverse population. It has many accents.
However you are right that “Sowiet Russia” does sound funny. But Sydney is world-wise enough not to fall for that. And it would not scan well, or even make sense, in her punchline. “Mother Russia” is a valid term, given that it translates as “motherland” from “rodina” (родина). Whereas “Mother Soviet Russia” or “Soviet Mother Russia” would just be odd. Thus would loose much of the impact of the joke, due to confusion, in the reader.
Oh, the accent, right.
I went in another direction. Thing is that when that kind of joke arose was because the at the time Soviet regimen was supposed to be the opposite of the democratic USA’s one. The jokes try to emphasize that.
As you said Russia is nowadays a democracy too, and also “Mother Russia” refers to the country itself, no to the politic regimen, so I was thinking that “Soviet” is actually necessary to put the joke in the right context and make it funny, if not, it’s kinda make a rednacke joke replacing “rednacke” with “american”.
Originally, ‘rednecks’ were English immigrants to Africa, it was an Afrikaans word (rooinek) that literally described what happens when an Englishman went out in the midday sun, but, like so many other things, it’s been co-opted by the USofAicans
The word goes back to 1600’s Scotland.
Nope not buying it. No way would there be enough sun in Scotland for people to get red necks!
:-D
I thought Russia was a neo-czarist regime under the rule of Czar Vladimir I of the royal house of Putin.
“Soviet” was added after the Soviet collapse, before that it was just Russia. Or so speaketh Wikipedia.
I don’t know what page you might be citing but present day it is commonly known as “Russia” or, in full, “The Russian Federation“. Formerly, from 1936–1991 it was the “Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic“, which was commonly called either “Soviet Russia” or “Russia” which was a part of the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics“.
Prior to that it was the “Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic” (1918–36). Although initially it was the “Soviet Russian Republic” (1918), following the hand over from the “Russian Provisional Government” (1917) after the revolution against the rightful monarchy of the Czars.
I was talking about the Russian reversal jokes. Before 1991 it was “In America X, but in Russia reversal of X; after the Soviet collapse it became “In Soviet Russia, reversal of X” Smirnoff wanted it clear he was talking about the dirty commies, not the New Russia.
Of course, that’s based on a wikipedia article I read years ago, so take it with a grain of salt.
Poor Suzy News. I hope that scene never comes to pass!
depends on ms wen’s mental fortitude if she can take it her ratings would go thru the roof plus hazard pay
Nopes, that wasn’t Suzie, hair is all wrong yups yups, so can’t be her nopes nopes
Of course her hair is all wrong, after the trauma she has been through.
Plus she is now a news anchor. You can expect her to have periodic hair changes, as focus groups advise that the new one increases ratings. The above bedraggled one being an exception, of course.
*puts noodle in one ear and pulls it out the other* Can’t hear you! That is not Suzie, Suzie is safe at home with Ari!!
*crosses claws*
Are you implying that there are more Klingon kisses being exchanged there?…
No, they save those for ‘special’ occasions
okay im gonna say it since thats twice now i’ve seen this happen. Dave the phrase is “have your cake and eat it too” not “eat your cake and have it too” Just so you know. If its a case of you knowing what the phrase is and intentionally doing it backwards, then i apologize in advance lol
He is going back to the original phrasing of the saying. It was meant to be a comment on having a person do the impossible to result in a benefit regardless of the choice. You can not eat something and then have it still there afterwards. Card carrying members of the grammar police complain about the reversed saying because it is no longer an impossible situation. You CAN start with having a piece of cake and then proceed to eat it.
(It is likely a saying related to the carrying out the Xanatos gambit).
It appears the saying reached the tipping point in the popular culture back in 1939, so not may humans remember the original version.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=eat+your+cake+and+have%2C+have+your+cake+and+eat&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ceat%20your%20cake%20and%20have%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Chave%20your%20cake%20and%20eat%3B%2Cc0
Personally still remember the ‘original’ phrase, “have your cake and eat it” never made any sense to me, ever: how can you not eat your cake if you don’t have it to start with? o_O
The original phrase is “You can’t have your cake and eat it, too.” Which makes perfect sense, because once you eat the cake you no longer have it. It is an apt analogy for any number of cases where two choices are mutually exclusive, specifically where saving and spending conflict with one another.
Yes but having a cake you refuse to eat is hardly a favourable situation, making one of the choices and, as a result, the saying somewhat moot.
That’s the backwards saying, the correct saying is: You can’t eat your cake and have it too (or as well, depending on how you phrase things), because after you have eaten it, it’s gone, so you can’t still have it
What you are saying is, you can have your cake but you can’t eat it. Why? Is something wrong with the cake? Is it poisoned? Why would you even want a cake that has been poisoned? o_O
*sigh* I’m am certain that both you and Spicefreak are smarter than this. Do I really need to explain? It looks like it.
Try this:
You can’t have enough money in the bank for retirement (have your cake) and also buy a new Maserati every year (eat the cake).
Capiche?
Breath deep :)
As I said below I think is a matter of how you read the timeline. You are seeing it as two simultaneous things, others see them as sequential. Each phrasing is right, with the right reading.
There’s a valid point, though. The “have” first phrasing only works with the “simultaneous” reading, the “eat” first phrasing work both ways.
In the end a matter of custom I guess :)
Then there’s the alternate: “You can’t have your Kate and Edith Too“.
Have your cake and eat it too is easy, that’s how cake works. Eating cake and still having it, that’s the hard part, and why the expression is an expression, which has now been flipped around by the sort of people who probably also say “I could care less” and “Escape Goat”
And If I hear someone misuse the word ‘literally’ one more time in an online forum I will literally reach through the screen and smack that person in the head. (the technology is still in beta test).
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally
I sometimes use literally in a figurative way. Hey, you did it too :)
It’s all a moo point, anyway. :)
regrettably, by now most dictionaries have accepted “figuratively” as one of the things “literally” can mean. So that is technically a legitimate use of the word by now.
For anyone who thinks they are trendy in doing it though, it is worth noting that it has been going on since at least 1827.
During which time, as a result, literally hundreds of English teachers have been observed having steam coming out of their ears!
To take a middle road we must notice that neither of the wordings is totally clear about timeline.
If someone “have a headache, and a cold too” do not means that they are one after the other, and if someone “have a meeting, and a party too”, do not necessarily means that they are simultaneous.
I think that both phrasings of the saying are seen for whom uses it as meaning “at the same time”.
Except, in this case, it is clearly supposed to be “A” followed by “B”
You still can not eat your cake, and still have it afterwards, whereas it is perfectly fine to have your cake and not eat it
Can you buy a cake and still have your money?
You are right, I messed up the last sentence, I shoud say that specifically the people using the “have” first (as in my examples) see the phrasing as meaning “at the same time” so it makes sense to them. People using the “eat… have” phrasing see it as secuential instead, as you said.
I use credit card :P
As Sam Starfall in Freefall learned from his mentor: If you want to have your cake and eat it too, you steal two cakes.
+2
*eats 1*
but…. but then neither one of them is YOUR cake
Sam only borrows things. Mind you, whether you would want to eat it after he has had it is another matter. And as for the one he has eaten…
Regarding the “in mother Russia …” joke:
As you may know, Blizzard is know for the Poke Dialogs (dialogs you get if you just keep clicking or ‘poking’ a unit).
They also have that in Heroes of the Storm.
They recently added the russian Zarya from Overwatch Universe. She cracks this joke:
“In mother russia, this joke is tired of you.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHqZ5PZxUaI
“Someday I would love to be in a second-person shooter.”
LOL.
but not in the case where you’re the second person shot?
Beats being the first person shot. And if there are only the two of you, your survival chances shoot right up, if you kill your opponent first.
Especially if you camp their spawn. It is like shooting paparazzi on your lawn.
That joke predates Blizzard by a couple decades: ask old Yakov Smirnoff
In Planescape: Torment game, they didn’t use the “click dialogue,” as such, but instead had the dialogue between your party members occur as part of the “idle state.” If you sat & waited long enough without inputting any commands, they’d quip at each other.
In all honesty, real hunger isn’t much different we’re just usually not anywhere close to the edge of madness. However, most cultures have stories of cannibals for a reason.
Yes, that’s pretty true even for normal humans. Anyone ever come close to starving to death? First there’s the empty stomach, making a void that insists, “feed me.” Then, the rest of your body begins to feed on stored calories, from fat reserves at first, then on actual muscle & organ tissues. In essence, your hunger is literally eating you from within.
Definitely something strange about that angel’s wings. This is the second time they appear to be hovering detached. Or growing from his ears.
Noticed it too. Also the others silhouettes appear to be traslucid, they actually look more like shadows. In previous pages thought those were details in the art, which I usually do not point out, but this time seems intentional.
I would think the vampire faction would be almost *thankful* for Sydney’s behavior, if only for its novelty. I mean, reactions a vampire is probably used to: fear, anger, mistrust, hatred, worship. Reactions a vampire is probably *not* used to: 1980’s stand-up comedy.
I somehow doubt it. I kinda think the vampires see this joke in the same sense as how homosexuals saw Eddie Murphy’s 1980’s stand-up comedy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Murphy_(album)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Murphy:_Comedian
(You’ll notice what the first track on both records is called. I actually have the cassette tapes and some of the comedy has not aged well.)
I am not familiar with Eddie Murphy’s stand up, in that regard, so this comment does not factor that in.
Comedy can be a powerful tool (for good or evil). Being of particular effect when dealing with issues that people are uncomfortable talking about or where folks simply do not know much, if anything, about it. I always cite Eddie Izzard as being a driving force in bringing transvestite issues to the attention of the British public, in a sympathetic way.
Allowing folks to see that he was a normal guy, with a keen observational sense of humour, with a wife and family. Who also likes getting dressed up in women’s clothes, from time to time. Intellectually knowing what a term means is different to properly understanding it, or empathise with somebody who practices it. If you know somebody, personally, who falls into a niche group, you can properly empathise with any news reports about them being persecuted.
Really good stand up commedians can make that kind of connection with people. Making strangers see things, from the perspective you want them to, is essential in their line of work. And is much aided by establishing empathy with them. Letting the audience know that the entertainer suffers from the same kind of issues they do.
From which it is easier to then discuss the things that they are not familiar with, and take them into new territory. After which everyone in that audience then knows somebody who (in this example) is a transvestite. Maybe not personally, but it is a lot closer connection than reading it in a text book or just hearing a news story about some random stranger.
The same would apply to making the wider world more familiar with the supernatural, once the unveiling starts. Sydney could be an invaluable asset in ‘breaking the ice’ and letting people see the supernatural through her eyes.
This is one step removed from seeing a vampire comic. But helping the public ease their way into such will be useful.
I think now would have been the time for Sydney to bring in the Ren and Stimpy jokes.
“How can he possibly resist the maddening urge to expose his kind at the mere bite of a single neck? The beautiful, shiny neck? The jolly, candy-like neck? Will he hold out, folks? Can he hold out?”
I’m not one to usually say that, and I’m probably in the minority here, but I feel that this council part is not getting anywhere fast. We’ve already established that Sydney is the goofy one, there’s really no need to dedicate half the strip to more jokes, and unless we need to meet other possibly essential characters, I think it might be a good idea to get to the point. Just saying.
You are not alone. However there are also a lot of folks who have expressed their enjoyment of this arc and style. But feed-back is always appreciated. And Dave does listen to such comments, so it is worth expressing your preferences.
One of the perks of a webcomic, is that it is more like a live audience, with constant feedback, than a traditional paper comic. Not that they lacked feedback, but the immediacy of such does make a difference. Along with Dave being able to join in the dialogue, at times. Which takes it beyond even the live audience analogy (barring comedians putting down hecklers, which Dave does not get into, so the analogy still fails on that point).
This is the point
Understandable, the exposition and jokes have gone on longer than I’d expeted. This scene is wrapping up, there’s like 3 or 4 more pages before we get to the meat.
yummy, yummy meat.
Looks like Sydney has to attend more of Arianna’s seminars.
Your avatar..
It compels me.
::wanders off into the kitchen and the sound of an electric can opener commences::
Tinned kitty?
He is being compelled to feed the pussy and to stroke the pussy. Eating it would be most inappropriate.
Yeah, have to watch out for the hairs that can get caught in your teeth >_>
Shaved kitty?
I googled it, and got lots of results. It is very cruel!
Now say ‘nooclear wessels’ :P
+1
Aaaaand…now there’s 27 different vampire food blogs with pictures of nothing but necks.
Except for that one blog with pictures of thighs.
Thank you SO much, Dave.
Kind of reminds me of John Carpenter’s Vampires. There’s a scene where a man is shown between a woman’s legs, and she is moaning and obviously enjoying herself. Then they shift the camera angle a bit and make it clear that the vampire is not performing cunnilingus but is just sucking blood out of her thigh fairly close to the honeypot. That “vampires are erotic, even when they are sucking your blood” Anne Rice thing combined with some “this movie needs some spice as a change on pace from all the vampire slaughtering” pandering.
I love Sydney’s gag there. The inappropriateness of the timing making it all the funnier.
It wasn’t horribly out of place, and I really didn’t get Maxima’s over-reaction to it given all the other pratfalls so many other characters, Ingsol included, have pulled.
The timing is pulling the gag just after Ingsol making a highly emotionally charged speech about a malign condition, which affects all vampires. It is rather like someone saying “Cancer runs in my family, when it strikes we have slow, lingering, deaths”. Then have a listener make a joke about cancer.
Plus Maxima has already told Sydney off about this issue once already. Which makes it a discipline issue, in addition to being in poor taste.
Finally it makes the gag funnier, having everybody pissed off at Sydney. :-D
The Veil… Vampires regressing to a more feral state the longer they do not feed… I see NOTHING similar to certain gaming systems.
“The very first time a vampire exhibits enhanced psychopathy on camera it would become a global media frenzy with dire consequences.”
Kinda like how Maxima dropped a nuke in the desert without permission and got a little finger waggle from Arianna? Or how Archon got jumped at a restaurant by several other supers under the influence of a single, extremely powerful psychotic super?
Oh wait, neither of those resulted in any media frenzies at all!
The attempts to lampshade this plot hole are rather transparent.
Logical fallacy – because the artist chose not to draw it does not mean it didn’t happen.
By this argument, all characters cease to exist if not actually being shown, taken to its logical conclusion.
This is why we have flashbacks and “meanwhile…” scenes in comics, to provide information to the reader that is necessary to the plot. Information that is less necessary can be left to the reader to infer on their own.
Personally, I feel certain that Maxima’s demonstration was very carefully orchestrated with the government (which I actually find more disturbing), so it makes perfect sense Arianna didn’t call her out on it.
And I’m pretty certain there was news coverage, but that news coverage isn’t essential to the story if all it was is “there was a large fight at a restaurant, details are sketchy, owner is outraged”. And until someone spends a few days investigating, that’s all it will be.
And we’re on day.. what… four? Not enough time.
And for the vampires, it would be dire consequences. For the humans… well, let’s just say that humans are surprisingly adaptable. They’d figure out a solution (almost certainly of the violent sort).
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1117
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1123
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1129
Power blast, not nuke. Not nearly as powerful as a nuke. On a bombing test range.
Immediately feedback from Arianna… but my point still stands.
“Personally, I feel certain that Maxima’s demonstration was very carefully orchestrated with the government”
Do not looks much like it. Max herself said that she realized she could pull out the nuke thing after testing Syd’s shield, which was only minutes before. Also immediately afterwards Arianna had to endure a very hard phone call with government representatives complaining about Max’s behavior.
*sight*
Nevermind, others already commented about this below.
Yeah, I missed that – my point doesn’t really follow based on that.
Good Eye.
We have no way of knowing who instigated that phone call, but good bet is on Ari making the call, that’s why Maxi wasn’t worried about who she was talking to
Actually we did see negative media over that incident. Feel free to criticize things which you feel to be wrong, but please do not ignore the things which are actually in the comic. Again and again and again.
To be honest, I can’t remember it – I assume it’s a small part of the comic, say one or two panels?
Well there was the major discussion with Arianna, where we saw her having to fend off an aggressive senator (or some such politician), then going on to discuss the implications of how the demonstration will be taken by the public and media. With Arianna playing a very credible Devil’s advocate to Maxima’s more optimistic take. And Dave indicated, at the time, that this was representative of the major establishment fall-out going on behind the scenes.
It is something that Arianna in particular, plus General Faulk and Maxima, will be spending a lot of time defending. And there may be long-term consequences, including Maxima being summoned to explain her actions before the Senate. All to paraphrase Dave’s remarks.
However none of that is fun for a webcomic to focus on. Hence why we just get the odd glimpse of it, such as that restaurant scene. The other times are when you see clips (as you say just a single frame or two) where there are hostile anti-super news reports. Maxima’s nuke* is usually the backdrop to that. Likewise for all the super-villains accepting Max’s challenge. Whilst that was her point, the image on the screen was the much publicised kaboom, that is appearing on news networks around the globe.
So Maxima has not escaped the incident unscathed, and the media and public are not ignoring it. But A Gray Phantom is, because he is aware of each of these points, as they have been pointed out in the past. Unfortunately he chooses to turn a blind eye to anything which does not fit in with his head canon.
Not an uncommon failing. We all do it to some degree. But I will not allow it to pass unremarked, and allow other readers to get a false impression.
Worst of all, because this (and things like it) is so oft-repeated, and dominates so many threads, I feel that it could impact the edginess of the writing. Dave might feel he needs to tone down, about how dangerous the supernatural is, in order that the Veil seems more justified. Thus bringing sickening Disney-like politically correct editing of good stories!
From DaveB‘s comment below, and Ingsol’s repeated comments about how dangerous they are, I am really thankful that he is clearly sticking to the more realistic, morally difficult and thereby interesting, storylines. Please keep it up!
* I appreciate the comment, elsewhere on this page, that it is not a nuke per-se. But if it has a mushroom cloud it will be perceived as such. So when talking public and political opinion, this must be factored into the equation. Hence I do not shy away from using that term.
Plus Maxima indicated that her demonstration was not a fraction of her actual power. Which means she may well be in the full-nuke power bracket.
“So Maxima has not escaped the incident unscathed, and the media and public are not ignoring it. But A Gray Phantom is, because he is aware of each of these points, as they have been pointed out in the past. Unfortunately he chooses to turn a blind eye to anything which does not fit in with his head canon.”
What? No, I’m not ignoring anything, Yorp. Rather I’m bringing attention to things being ignored. Where are you getting that from?
I detailed it already. Given that things are not being ignored, claiming they are is another falsehood, which again ignores the points I made.
If there is truth to your statement
can you explain why Sydney woke to having her lawn covered in paparazzi? Likewise the other mob of them at her shop. And all the piles of questions she had to collate from them. There is a media frenzy going on. Claiming otherwise is a lie.
What they will not do though is take your weird head canon that Maxima ‘threatened the world’. She specifically threatened supervillains. So expecting her to be unduly punished, or for the media, en masse, to go apeshit over that specific issue, is only going to happen in your mind, rather than in the comic.
Thanks, Yorp.
::delicately kicks a Yorpie Snak™ in Yop’s direction and watches as it is gobbled with élan::
Being very old school (“I remember when our books were on paper, not on touch screens! You kids get off my virtual lawn!”), I would love a dead-tree copy of the webcomic (scratch that – three. one for archives, one for turning into a rat-eared reference, and another for a back-up for when the rat-eared reference disintegrates).
Washes down the snack with a bowl of fine élan.
*burp*
Fanku
There are alarmists out there, but other comics have basically dedicated the majority of their run to that sort of stuff, so I’m not diving into it in mine, other than the occasional news excerpt or headline or what have you. Arianna is keeping most of that stuff away from, well, certainly Sydney, and the majority of the comic is from her point of view.
The angle they’re going for is that Supers are a national resource and vital to defense. Yes, people are horrible and need next to no excuse to discriminate against any given group, but it’s easy to use xenophobia for good as well as evil. If they’re afraid of domestic supers, chances are they’re going to be terrified of foreign supers.
This is obviously a much more difficult sell with Vampires and Lycans. The <foxnews>”blood predator come to drink your children dry!” and the “savage beast with a venereal disease” </foxnews>
Really, a lot of the Council member races are primed to come out now if they don’t prey on humans in any way, though races like Dryads would probably be quite militant about deforestation and there’s a host of other issues.
Whoa, I went off topic there a little. Yes, to your point, Maxima’s demonstration in the desert was not part of the plan for good reason, but blowback is being managed, mostly off screen, cause as I said, other comics have taken a more dedicated crack at it before.
This is the very reason that they were having the live fire at a bomb testing range. I think (and no offense to you, almighty creator Dave) that Maxima was going to blow something up anyways. But it was only after she found out how impressive Sydney’s shield was that she decided to make it as big as she did.
Maxima might have been planning it, but Arianna was not expecting it. Not if you check out her expression at the time, and in the restaurant, returning from being grilled by the senator, on the phone. It looked to me like she wanted to chew Maxima’s head off. And not figuratively!
Still sounded like Ari was the one who phoned the Senator, it did not sound like she was the one getting it in the neck, she was not being meek or cowering but almost threatening, certainly when she raised her voice to make sure Maxi knew she was talking to a Senator (a Senator she probably thought would side with her and go after Maxi)
looking back on the scenes, it does seem like there is a bit of clashing styles. The military wanting to be military and fulfilling their mandate without public images issues to worry about (and Maxima being mostly in that camp), Arianna being of the “Let’s be squeaky clean out there” and getting extremely angry when it seems not only that no one is listening but they appear to be actively defying her mandate, and perhaps a bit of the Senator both wanting more control and less sound bites” from the team but not the grief that comes with being in control.
I think I need to binge from the start again – it’s apparent I missed quite a bit or forgot it.
Actually I should thank A Gray Phantom, for helping me to remember all such points, as well as I have. Having to regularly debate them keeps it fresh.
:-D
And I should throw in an apology for having been terse, with him. I lack Dave’s saint-like patience.
Just wanted to point out that it wasn’t a nuke. Nuclear explosions have long-lasting repercussions. Good example: The Conqueror. The filming took place in southwestern Utah, east of and generally downwind from the site of recent U.S. Government nuclear weapons tests in southeastern Nevada.
The tests took place between 1951-1985; only 100 of the tests were above ground. Winds routinely carried the fallout of these tests directly through St. George and southern Utah. Marked increases in cancers, such as leukemia, lymphoma, thyroid cancer, breast cancer, melanoma, bone cancer, brain tumors, and gastrointestinal tract cancers were reported from the mid-1950s through 1980, and at least 91 of the actors and crew working on The Conqueror developed some form of cancer.
(John Wayne himself survived lung cancer and later died of stomach cancer, but there is no way to know if it was a result of exposure, or if it was his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit. Cigarettes do contain traces of polonium-210 and lead-210, which are inhaled into the lungs. Wayne himself believed it was the cigarettes.)
Also, any sufficiently energetic detonation or deflagration will produce a mushroom cloud effect, including the MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs / Massive Ordinance Air Blast). Even volcanic eruptions can create a natural mushroom cloud. Case in point, the explosion in the link below was from Redoubt Volcano on April 21st, 1990.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud#/media/File:MtRedoubtedit1.jpg
This is not a criticism of A Gray Phantom‘s comment, I just wanted to point out that just because something creates a mushroom cloud does not mean it was nuclear.
My father, who is a chemist, did his tour in the military (it was mandatory at the time) in the Chemical Corp. He tells stories about how the soldiers would be in trenches not terribly far from above ground tests, and how the wind occasionally shifted and brought the fallout across them all.
He and his soldiers would also have to decontaminate vehicles which were exposed, which pretty much amounted to washing them within a plastic tent that they could drive in and out of. The waste water, you ask? What do you think? Left to be absorbed by the ground in the deserts they were working in.
As Weatherheight points out, this is a logical fallacy. Just because it was not shown in the comic, does not mean that something didn’t happen.
Your attempts to deliberately ignore anything that doesn’t support your personal headcanon are rather transparent.
I really hate how people say that even though it wasn’t presented in the story doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Last time that someone said that it was a story about a woman who caused a scene at her son’s college graduation ceremony because he came out of the closet with his older boyfriend. Everyone applauded her for being very tolerant and patient, even though she did the exact opposite, going so far as accusing her son of prostitution.
I called her out on being an awful, bigoted human being, and a wave of apologists responded. I pointed out that she never apologized for her actions, and even actively tried to get others involved in separating them. To which I had more than a few people respond by saying, “Well, maybe she apologized, but we didn’t see it!”
Which doesn’t work. You can’t tell a story without, well, telling the damn story. That’s not how storytelling works.
Your example has nothing to do with the comic.
The story follows Sydney principally. As such it would not be logical to cover issues which she would not be aware of. However the media frenzy has intruded on her life. Both at her home and at her shop. And we have seen examples of some of the hostile reporting.
The author has been kind enough to respond to your comment and indicate that he does not intend to focus on such. Throwing your toys out of the pram and demanding that the story be told the way you think it should be it is not a constructive response to that. He is the author and gets to tell the story the way he wants.
You are a decent guy mind. But you have the failing that you are projecting your personal view and thinking that everybody has to think the way you do. That is not the case though. Maxima made a ‘tough on crime’ stance, which goes down very well with a lot of people in real life. The fear of super villains (and the very attack by them you mentioned) will serve to enhance public support for this, in the comic world. This is realistic.
So whilst there will be some media which support your point of view, they will be outweighed by the others which do not. All of which is boring politics and not what a comedy comic should be focusing on. In order to tell the story all that is necessary is to know the results.
Presently the country needs Maxima and Archon and are allowing them to carry on operating. Given that the story focuses on Sydney’s perspective anything else is not relevant. She is not privy to all the political fallout, as that is happening behind closed doors. Maxima, and the other Archon high-ups are, but that is not necessary to tell the story from Sydney’s perspective.
An important point: Maxima is a high ranking member of the US military, not just some random monster. She is a dangerous individual to be sure, but she’s directly in and responsible to the chain of command. The media frenzy will be moderated by that.
Yes, Maxima is a soldier. And we all know soldiers never…
https://goo.gl/6dgx4f
Ever…
https://goo.gl/eKGuoT
Never ever commit heinous crimes.
https://goo.gl/ENafdH
Which Maxima has not done. You are condemning her for the acts of others.
How would you feel if I compared you to public prosecutors who falsely accused innocent people and ended up having them executed? By comparing Maxima to Hitler, the perpetrator of the Holocaust, you are far exceeding their accusations!
Further you are insulting all soldiers in comparing their profession, which is dedicated to preserving our freedom, to such individuals. Being a soldier does not equate to committing atrocities.
You have bizarre, contradictory, double standards. In some arguments you claim that humans are decent and would never commit atrocities (against monsters), yet here you condemn all soldiers (who I should point out are human), as being guilty by association with individuals who have done so.
I pray that you never get into a position where you could perpetrate such travesties of justice on innocent people in real life. You should be barred from jury service, let alone a career as a judge. Your hostility and prejudice blinds you to any facts in the case.
Good catch, Yorp.
There’s also the fact that given her rank, she arguably has the authority needed to authorize the explosion she created herself, without needing to ‘send it up the chain’. After all, that isn’t just any old spot in the desert, but a designated bombing range.
To everyone trying to correct me on the difference between a nuke and a “power blast,” I wish to defer you to this:
https://goo.gl/yx43O3
There is a wide contextual difference between a person dropping “a nuke in the desert” and a soldier (I know, I know, ‘airman’, but I’m using the broad definition of soldier that refers to military of all stripes) creating an explosion at a government owned bombing range.
Further, as MSpears pointed out, it’s NOT just a matter of semantics. A nuclear detonation has effects that conventional explosions will not, ranging from radioactive fallout to electromagnetic disruption. These are substantive differences that are worth making note of. If Maxima’s Power Blasts were nuclear in nature, we’d be seeing them fry unshielded electronics in their vicinity like cell phones, and irradiate her teammates via incidental exposure. Because we haven’t seen that, and because given the focus of the web comic is such that it SHOULD reasonably have been mentioned (it would impact Sydney, and various other teammates), we can conclude that her power blasts aren’t nuclear, and the comparison to a nuke (while Maxima might find it flattering) is unwarranted and incorrect.
So, why call that massive explosion ‘a nuke’? Well, we can surmise that there’s an effort to use inflammatory language in order to rouse support for your position. Nukes are scary after all, and there’s a widespread conviction that they are not acceptable for general use, so in accusing Maxima of nuking something there’s a clear effort to tap into that belief. The fact that it is quite obviously not in line with what we have seen in the story, however, makes that deceptive. If you have to use deception in order to argue for your position, it’s typically because your position isn’t in line with reality, at least in my experience. It also means that you’ve got no grounds to get upset at people who don’t fall for that deception, and call attention to it so that others will not.
As an english major (Go, Team P.O.E.M.!), I often run into the “oh, semantics” line when someone has misused a word and and wants to minimize that misuse, for whatever reason.
There’s more that goes with this, but it’s snarky and is very much poking the bear. :D
Especially given that many of the people who try to dismiss something as ‘semantics’ forget (or never even understood) is the part of linguistic study that concerns itself with MEANING. When they say ‘that’s a semantic difference’, what they generally believe they’re saying is that ‘my words mean the same thing as your words, you just think yours are prettier’, but what they’re actually saying is ‘that is a difference of meaning’… which, yeah, that’s the whole point of the debate, isn’t it? Semantics matter. Semantics are why ‘explosion’ and ‘nuclear explosion’ are not completely synonymous.
What they should really be saying is ‘that’s a diction difference’.
So does this mean that you are anti-semantic?
*looks suspiciously at Caffeinedelusions*
Just the opposite. I am also quite fond of puns.
*wags tail ay-yay-yayily*
I should shoulder some of the blame for that. It is a point of A Gray Phantom‘s that I conceded long ago. If it looks like a nuke, the public, and other nations will react like it is a nuke. So, if debating how the media react, as we are, it is an appropriate term.
However you are perfectly correct that it lacks the EMP and radiation so the more rational media will use more balanced terms. Not irradiating the countryside and bystanders is an important distinction which would feature in political, military and formal debates on the matter.
Public opinion is often not rational though, so the distinction may never be accepted by many people. Hence why I use ‘nuke’ myself, in recognition of that. Plus it readily differentiates the mushroom cloud incident from other big badda booms, such as testing Halo’s shield, in a single word.
Finally the upper end of Maxima’s destructive capability, with that attack, may well fall into the same bracket that low-yield nukes achieve (factoring out the side-effects such as radiation). And possibly more than that.
Oh wait, neither of those resulted in any media frenzies at all!
I would say that the demonstration, huge explosion and all, did indeed result in a media frenzy. Just perhaps not the kind you are thinking of. But clearly all the major broadcasters were there, and you can be certain that the video was replayed over and over for weeks. Or until Trump mentions how much he enjoys sexual assault via grabbing women by the pussy, which tends to change the subject rather abruptly.
Meant to blockquote “Oh wait, neither of those resulted in any media frenzies at all!” But as we are all aware, you can’t edit here.
I’m now imagining a vampire Instagram…or that one scene from Being Human where Michael got off on some “vampire porn.”
+1
Probably it’s been raised before, and yeah, Ingsol isn’t Russian, but where and how did this whole idea of Russian speakers pronouncing Vs as Ws come from (is it pre-Star Trek Chekov)? I mean the B in their script is pronounced V (there’s another character for the B sound) and Victor is a Russian name that is actually pronounced correctly in English.
The actor who played Chekov could speak Russian, so did consider using a genuine Russian accent. But chose to go in a direction that played more interestingly. Bear in mind that this was in an era where true-to-life portrayals were not placed over the entertainment value. So we should judge it in its context in history. Where portraying a traditional enemy of the USA as being a valued and important member of the bridge crew was revolutionary.
Having an accent that sounded funny was useful in that context. As it is in this comic. And there are other parallels to the above situation, if you consider ‘monsters’ to be a traditional enemy of humanity.
Indeed. Walter Koenig was the son of Russian Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union, who emigrated to the United States when Walter was a child. So he was quite fluent in Russian.
According to the sources I’ve read, Roddenberry asked him to “ham up” his Russian accent to add a note of comic relief to the series. Chekov’s accent has been criticized as inauthentic, but Koenig has said the accent was inspired by his father, who actually had the same difficulty with the “v” sound.
As I recall, others have since come in and identified his accent on the show as closer to being Bavarian than Russian.
That he was hamming it up was clear. The addition of Chekov was something of a joke in itself, as the Soviet Union had been complaining how the show was putting itself forward as a multicultural future but not including Russians, who were the first to put a man in space. Keep history and context in mind, Neil Armstrong was still a couple of years from landing on the moon at this point and “the space race” was still contentious at the time. So with his introduction, part of Chekov’s ham was to note how various things were a “great Russian invention.”
But I’m wondering if this pronunciation started with Koenig, whether from his father or not, or if there’s an earlier source.
I am used to seeing Koenig speaking in Afrikaans. Watching Space: 1999, without dubbing, a few years ago, was just too weird.
Not to mention still seeing the moon up in the sky, even after 1999. Do they get these documentaries wrong sometimes? Or did they just put up an illusion, to stop us from freaking out?
The story about the Soviet Union complaining about no Russians was a fake, and the creators of the show admitted it was a fake.
I find it odd that Ingsol and most people of slavik descent confuses their V’s and W’s. This strip is a perfect example. He said: Vhile… yet Pronounces the word Vampire “Wampire.”
To be honest, I’m quite surprised Sydney hasn’t picked up on and remarked on the inconsistency.
Awesome use of the “In Russia” joke…
His accent is being toned down, for clarity. As per the author’s reply to a comment on the previous page. The very fact that Sydney has not picked up on it fading in and out should actually give us a clue that it is simply reduced, in the panes where we see it being said the right way, as opposed to vanishing completely.
Or possibly that Sydney is acclimating to it, and is learning to decode it more easily.
Bear in mind, driving across the entire length of Ukraine is about the same as driving from Rapid City, South Dakota to Green Bay, Wisconsin. Even the largest European nations are dwarfed by the US, and for those of us in the habit of driving across states, a mere 12 hour Ukraine drive isn’t special. To us, yes, that is close.
Curse the inability to edit or delete a comment. This was supposed to be a reply up above.
It turned out to be further than you thought.
:-D
A thought occurs to me, Dabbler also has ADD, she has been sitting through this meeting awfully well all things considered.
it also means Maxima has two reps from Archon with her that are potential diplomacy bombs…
While it is true that Dabbler has ADD, she is able to focus it into constructive uses. My guess is that she is probably fiddling with something like her tickle raygun. Might be fun is she decided to test it out here on some of the other races.
I’m not sure what you mean. Syd acting goofy is her own personality. Dabbler has been shown saying and reacting little, for all we know she can be wandering far from here (or doing logopolitian block transfer calculus) inside her mind right now, which would be a way more typical ADD behavior.
Sydney stop poking the monsters….. eee Sydney stop poking me..
Do you think the stick grows in with the fangs?
Would be the perfect opportunity for Maxima to chime in:
‘This is our method of dealing with problem criminals, etc. we restrain them and lock them in a room with her.’
Why not? After all, Sydney seems to have left a favorable impression with Vehemence.
Sydney was doing so well until the last panel, then the goofball rises again!
And she looks so proud of herself for coming up with that one. She is practically beaming with enthusiasm. Which is good because if she was beaming with sunshine there might be some bad times in store for her right now.
Not as bad as for the vampires in sight of her!
There should totally be somebody in the background, barely containing their laughter…
As DaveB has mentioned in a comment on this page, he intended to have some chuckling from the gallery, but kept forgetting to draw it in.
Nice that you got “a Dracula” right–Dracula being a title made into a surname. To be completely correct, it should be “Frankenstein’s monster, a wolfman, and the Dracula walk into a bar…”
Reminds me of the complaints of the use of the term “Pharaoh”. It was not until the reign of Thutmose II (circa 1479-1425 BC) that it became the form of address for a person who was king.
The word “Pharaoh” is derived from the bilateral hieroglyphs meaning “house” and “column”. It was used only in larger phrases such as ‘Courtier of the High House’, with specific reference to the buildings of the court or palace. From the twelfth dynasty onward, the word appears in a wish formula ‘Great House, may it live, prosper, and be in health’, but again only with reference to the royal palace and not the person.
So, prior to Thutmose II, if you called someone the Pharaoh, that would be akin to walking up to the President of the United States and saying “Hello, Mr. White House” (because that’s where the President and his family lives, just like the king lived at the pharaoh… the High House, aka the royal palace).
Yeah it was supposed to sound like someone telling a joke with only the barest grasp of the elements, like how people get half way though and then revise the setup. “No wait, it was a Dracula, a mummy and a priest.”
Referring to Frankenstein’s Monster as Frankenstein is common place enough, forgivable only because it allows the pedantic among us the sinister joy of correcting them, but referring to vampires as Draculas is just funny to me since it’s so wrong and exposes the speaker as really mentally impoverished. It’s like playing Tomb Raider and referring to Lara as “a Mario.”
I think everybody calls Frankenstein’s Monster “Frankenstein” unless they’re actually discussing the book itself. I blame Shelly, since she never gave it a name (which was kind of the point, Dr. Frankenstein creating The Monster and then denying its humanity). Of course, thanks to Hotel Transylvania, we now know that The Monster’s name is Frank.
Actually, his name is Adam, he chose that name for himself
And calling him ‘Frank’ is like calling a human ‘Hugh’
I read it long ago but I don’t remember that, he is nameless for the whole novel. He compares himself with Adam a couple times, though.
At one point he calls himself the “Adam of your labours”. As that was a self-appellation (or close to it, as you say), it is more appropriate than calling him “monster”, “demon” or the various other epithets that Frankenstein labels him with.
Show me where, please:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/84/84-h/84-h.htm
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/shelley/mary/s53f/
Scratch that. I had a knee jerk reaction to you citing a “false” quote. It’s a pet peeve of mine, sorry :(
Oh don’t worry about it. If I state something incorrectly I am happy to be corrected. I debate to learn, so welcome such, rather than feel offended by it.
The quote was extracted from:
Sadly the link no longer works, so I say that for information only. As such the Wikipedia page does need updating. However I do not feel that I am authoritative enough to sort out the apparent contradiction with the sources you cite. Whilst yours appear to be fit for purpose, I would prefer to find out why there was such a discrepancy, before making the change myself.
Plus it was stated as a QI fact, so I would not want to put myself up against the QI Elves!
“If I state something incorrectly I am happy to be corrected”
Me too, but I was being sarcastic, and that’s not the way.
Man, I hate doing this so I didn’t take on top the time to fully check the grammar, sorry for that.
– In the Wikipedia page the quote we are talking about is done at the introduction and has not cited source.
Speaking to Victor Frankenstein, the wretch refers to himself as “the Adam of your labours”
– In the Wikipedia page the source you cited is linked with the sentence:
During a telling of Frankenstein, Shelley referred to the creature as “Adam”.
– That source do not included the quote we are talking about, and about the use of “Adam” it just in turn quote the book itself.
“Remember that I am thy creature: I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel . . .”
BTW, this sentences is taken by some as the creature seeing himself as the opposite of Adam.
Working link to the source: https://www.ala.org/programming/sites/ala.org.programming/files/content/pastprograms/frankenstein/materials/exhibittext.pdf
– The older recorder version of the Wikipedia page is from February 2 2015 with the quote already present. –
– The older occurence of that quote that I was able to find was done by a “Distinguished Educator” commentor on August 20, 2007, in the eNotes site:
The monster calls himself “the Adam of your labors”,
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-monsters-name-novel-frankenstein-6263#answer-8885
the commentor cite as source the eNotes page on the character: https://www.enotes.com/topics/frankenstein/characters
but that page do not mention the quote.
There’s a few months earlier appareance but is in a wiki so it can be not the original text but a later adition.
– Since 2009 the Indonesian Wikipedia have a “Monster Frankestein” page including this quote without source. Google translate the statement as:
“He always calls himself when speaking to his creator that Victor Frankenstein , the Adam of your labors.”
– About the year 2009 mentions of that quote start to explode. Actually the whole verbatin phrase used is
“He does call himself, when speaking to his creator, Victor Frankenstein, the “Adam of your labours”.”
Several sites, blogs and comments do not cite sources and include it as if their own phrasing.
– The quote is not part of the online versions of the novel, either 1818 nor 1831 (two different sources of each).
– The quote is not part of the online versions of movie scripts form 1931, 1994, 2014 nor 2015. Nor 1974 Young Frankestein, nor 1931 Bride of Frankenstein, if someone wonders.
– The quote is not part of the online versions of play script by Marjorie Bicknell (1982), Thomas Olson (1983) and Nick Dear (undated), but to be hones I’m not sure how relevants these particulare plays are.
TL;DR
It surely looks like somebody made it up, likely in Wikipedia, and everybody else just followed the lead.
The QI it’s not mentioned in the Wikipedia page, but I guess you mean “Series G, Episode 15 – Green”:
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/qi/episodes/7/15/
Annnnd, that’s all folks.
See, see, I was right. QI did say it.
:-D
Very impressively researched. Point conceded, that quote was wrong. Plus I will support your nomination as a QI Elf, to replace the one who will be fired over this incident!
*tips hat, in your general direction*
As you say though he does compare himself with Adam more than once. So it is still the closest thing we have to a name, rather than an insult. Well, barring one alternative.
Well, yeah. Dracul was a title bestowed by the Roman Catholic Church for a member of the knightly Order of the Dragon members. Vlad’s father was known as the Dracul. Dracula was derived from that as meaning “Little Dragon.” Where some of the confusion may have come from may be due to Dracul also meaning “demon” as well as “dragon,” thus linking Dracula’s habit of dipping bread in the blood of his enemies, with vampirism as being taken by the Church as being equal with being literally demonic.
What would “Big Dragon” or “Great Dragon” be?
“Dracool” :P
Wow, had no idea what trouble I’d start. Really, not that big a deal to me. The Monster is Frank because it’s funny.
No trouble at all. It helped to clear up a misconception I had through trusting a TV program. You sparked off an interesting debate, and not for the first time. Please keep it up!
*brings a nice pair of fluffy slippers, in mouth, and drops them at your feet. tail wagging *
So, assuming the bit in your rant is canon (and perhaps to be used in the future in some fashion), something like World of Darkness’ Gangrel bloodline would’ve been culled long ago, but the Nosferatu (watch the namesake movie, for those who don’t know) are protected by The Veil?
I’m not familiar enough with WoD to say without googling it, but assuming the Gangrel are feral, and Nosferatu are ugly but sociable, then yes.
Gangrel (in WoD) is not so much “feral” as they are “rustic.” They prefer living in the deeper wilderness areas, prone to travel much more than “city-dwelling” vamps & having more “earthy” dispositions than ot he vampire clans.
Then no, they wouldn’t have been culled simply because they typically shunned ‘city-life’ and preferred to be Travellers (as ‘modern’ Gypsy’s seem to prefer being called)
I don’t mean because of their preference for wilderness; they’re much closer to The Beast than any other kind, and the most likely to frenzy because of it. THAT was why I said what I did.
Also, since this stuff doesn’t have an edit option, I apologise for the double post.
Anyway, it’s Romani. “Gypsies” was born from a misconception that they were from Egypt, and used as a derogatory slur.
All true, barring the sweeping “… and used as a derogatory slur”, which implies that it is only that. It would be more correct to say that it “is used as a derogatory slur, at times”.
I live in a village which is one third gypsy, and that is the term that they use to describe themselves. Although I readily admit that may simply be because the individuals I speak to do not know another English word themselves. I would have picked out ‘Romani’ had they used it, for example.
But it is not inappropriate to use the word, as many Romani organizations use it in their own organizational names. Although it is right to say that ‘Romani’ or ‘Romany’ are more politically correct terms, to avoid giving offence to those who do not like ‘gypsy’.
Alrighty, that’s pretty neat. I didn’t say it was still only a slur. At all. I quite specifically used the past tense; words have a tendency to evolve.
Indeed. Hence me putting in the ‘implies’ in my reply. One thing that I have learnt, through being a commentator here, is that qualifiers can be very important, if wishing to narrow down a statement that can be interpreted more broadly than intended.
I am pleased that I did mention it though, given your justifiable concerns over such matters. Someone who can focus political correctness, to the key issues, through careful deliberation and choice of words, is that much more effective at debating the topics and in convincing others. Feedback helps sharpen that.
Given the gravitas that Ingsol and Scarlett have in panel 5, and the major stink eye that she’s giving Sydney in the last panel, I’m guessing that they have some kind of personal experience with The Madness. I suspect a “relative” that succumbed, couldn’t be saved, and had to be put down. Or something like that.
Likely, but I think it could be enough with them seeing The Madness like we see AIDS or cancer, it do not need to hit close to be taken seriously.
It seems likely. Even if it is just someone that they knew, Sydney is being rather insensitive to their feelings. Hence Maxima getting angry too.
But it is funny, so they will probably forgive her. Both do seem to have a sense of humour. As for other vampires present? They are probably having a laugh at Ingsol being thrown off track by Sydney, more than they are bothered by the joke. They will have heard a lot worse, and with serious intent, in the past. Having someone relaxed, enough to joke about that, is probably quire refreshing.
However she may be making enemies. You never can tell how unknown individuals might react to a given stimulus.
That ‘stink eye’ is because of the joke, not because Scarlett knew someone personally who went Mad (other than her dear Sire, as evidenced by his outburst :P)
And Maxi is yelling at her because Sydney is poking the Spokes-Wamp
From the context it would seem that a nice drink of blood might be all that is needed for recovery.
@Guesticus
Possibly. But when both Spokes-Wamp and Maxima have cracked wise it’s difficult to fault Sydney for doing the same without being either a bitch or a hypocrite. Or both. And Word of Author says that there was supposed to be a favorable reaction from the peanut gallery. So if Council members enjoyed the joke, why the over-reaction? It doesn’t make much sense, to me at least.
There is a difference between making a wisecrack and taunting someone. Especially when that someone is an ally who is supporting your organisation in the face of vocal opposition. That makes him loose face, which could harm his standing in the Council. If he looses his position, then Archon could end up much worse off if Azilus replaces him.
The gallery laughing does mitigate things though, you are right. And Ingsol got over the last incident quickly enough, with a bit of flattery from Maxima. That was before the meeting proper started though. Whereas now he has been derailed whilst chairing an important meeting.
As such I think Maxima is justified in being miffed. Especially given that Sydney has ignored an order from her commanding officer, not to taunt him.
Wouldn’t they have a hard time reporting on an outbreak of Vampiric Violence, since by all myth and legend that I can remember, Vampires and their ilk do not show up on recording mediums or mechanical/electronic surveillance devices, similar to the way they have no reflections?
I’m actually surprised that this group hasn’t mentioned it before, considering the represented intelligence that has come before. :)
Dave is trying to prevent this arc from going overlong, so has been giving some information in his blog and/or comments. Most of which it is safe to assume have been raised, in the course of the conversation, but nothing interesting or funny enough otherwise happened, to justify showing it.
In this case though please be aware that it contains a SPOILER. So Sydney is unaware of this herself. But if you do not mind that refer to the author’s blog on this page, towards the end.
So, judging by the info you referred me to, you are saying that in the Grrlverse, The Veil actually nullifies a Vampire’s ability to go unrecorded and also allows them to have a reflection? Or the illusion of one? A benefit and a hinderance to their basic natures, then.
I can see where some of the races would want to come Out of the Shadows, if The Veil is actually becoming more of a hinderance in the Modern World by compromising their fundamental natures and abilities more than helping them
(Yorp, I do read the blog posts, when I have the time. I just didn’t get out that one what you pointed to the first time around. Thanks for the linkback. *tosses Yorpie Snax*)
Yummy, fanku.
*munch munch, om nom*