Grrl Power #445 – Hobnoblin
“Adult stuff” is about the fastest way to make Sydney go cross-eyed with boredom. We can assume one of the Archon people is tasked with keeping an eye on Sydney, cause letting her mingle unchaperoned in this environment seems like courting disaster.
Dire wolves are disappointingly small. Don’t get me wrong, they’re marginally bigger than your average modern wolf, (actually the size of the largest extant wolves according to Wikipedia) but you say dire wolf and most people think of something 5 or 6 feet tall at the shoulder, but they’re not the size of ponies like you see in… whatever, comics, or Game of Thrones. Gregor might very well be stretching the truth a little about being a dire werewolf, and who’s going to contradict him? He’s very tall in hybrid form and dire werewolf sounds cooler.
If in fact there are were forms of extinct animals, that would suggest that lycantrhopy dates back to the time in which those animals were still around. How else would those species and humans intersect? I guess besides “magic” which is presumably involved anyway, but still probably easier with living animals.
To Sydney’s point in the final panel, I do think shows would be more entertaining if there was one at least ambiguously supernatural episode now and again, if not outrightly stated. Breaking Bad with a “bath salts” zombie? Or a CSI-Tripoli with a griffin attack, an episode of Friends where Joey dates a Lamia, or an episode of Bones that crosses over with Sleepy Hollow? Oh wait they really did that one. Ok, some shows would be ruined by that kind of thing, but some should would definitely be better.
The vote incentive is stale, I know and I apologize. I’m still a little behind from vacation, but I’m going to try and get it updated today, in fact I may stream finishing up the colors on it. If I do I’ll update the post here and also tweet about it. I may have to do a stick figure theater or something for an upcoming month because I haven’t gotten any work done on getting the book together in a while now. Even if the book was ready to go, I don’t really have time to run a kickstarter, so I don’t know what I’m going to do about that. The odd comic with the characters talking in front of a static shot of a curtain might help actually. Actually I may experiment with some new ways to color. I was watching Fred Perry’s (NSFW) Picarto stream and he can color a whole page in like 3 hours. I doubt I’ll ever be that fast, but if I could color a whole page with backgrounds and orbs and all that in 9, it’d still be less time than it takes me now.
Stream’s done. Oh, and I guess I should say, the vote incentive is finally updated. I’ll try to not let it languish for that long again.
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I gotta watch more TV. I missed all those.
Strangely enough, it’s because of all of that is why I don’t watch TV anymore…
;)
Darn lack of self-editing: only because should have been bolded, but the italic don’t is still correct.
LOL Were-Horse
Would explain the teeth, not sure about the crazy, that’s all him :P
Maybe he’s been into the loco-weed?
nah auto accident. caused some brain damage, specifically to the part of the brain that tells you to not say every crazy thing that comes to mind. he don’t have that part anymore.
‘Auto correct’ is a bad enough invention, but ‘auto accident’ sounds terrible! We aught to petition for it to be banned!
Wait. That sounds like Sydney.
Motorcycle accident… he crashed while riding without a helmet, as I stated on page 2. An automobile was NOT involved.
(And despite that, to this day, he still opposes mandatory helmet laws.)
Wearing a helmet shouldn’t be mandatory, as long as the riders surviving family understand that and doesn’t sue the city and state for their death
I have lived in two countries, which transitioned from no restrictions on seat belts and helmets, to having mandatory laws. Survival rates shot up. Prior to those laws being implemented, I had friends and relatives dying from traffic accidents. Subsequently, although a number have been injured, and some badly, none have died. Just my personal experiences mind, but they are indicative of the overall change in society.
Living in a country now, where such is not enforced, it makes me incredibly sad to see young mothers, with one or two kids, on mopeds, driving around, with none of them having any form of protection. Knowing that some of them will not live to grow up, whilst others will do so, but without their mum.
Speaking of seatbelts, I have an apocryphal story:
Back in 1989, a young college student (who shall remain unnamed out of respect for the deceased) was in the back seat of a minivan. Two of his friends were in the front seat. They were on their way to a convention center to discuss mandatory seatbelt laws. He was against mandatory seatbelt laws, so naturally, he was not wearing his seatbelt.
Well, they hit a pothole, blew a tire, and flipped the van. His two friends, who were wearing seatbelts, survived without serious injury. He was thrown out of the van and crushed to death when it rolled on top of him. If only he had been wearing his seatbelt…
(This story is true, though I may have some of the smaller details wrong, and confirmed somewhere on snopes.com)
‘:-/
If that was in a comic, I would say that is quite some length, for the driver to go to, in order to win a debate.
Yeah, but that’s the problem, isn’t it? Sooner or later, the family of someone who died in a motorcycle accident is going to sue the motorcycle company for not including a warning that wearing a helmet reduces the chance of your brain becoming a bloody smear on the pavement in the event of a crash.
The family would lose that case, or it would be thrown out, but the motorcycle company would still have to spend money to retain a lawyer to represent them in court. All because some moron doesn’t want to admit that their loved one was responsible for their own actions, knew the risks of riding without a helmet, and accepted those risks. Remember, there was a discussion about this not so very long ago. This is the one of the reasons why we end up with seemingly stupid laws and/or warning labels, such as “Warning! Contents will be hot after cooking!” (which I have seen on a microwave dinner.)
A few statistics for you: 4,886 people were killed in motorcycle crashes (in the United States) in 2013. Another 88,000 were injured. Out of the ones who were killed, an estimated 33% would have survived if they had been wearing a helmet. A helmet reduces the risk of head injury by 69% and reduces the risk of death by 42%.
Motorcycles will always be more dangerous than automobiles (you are 26 times more likely to die in a motorcycle wreck than you would in a car wreck), but even so, these statistics are not insignificant. If I owned a motorcycle, I would say “42% less likely to die in an accident? Count me in!” About 80% of the American population favors laws requiring motorcyclists to wear helmets. (Most of the resistance comes from the motorcyclists themselves.)
This is apropos of absolutely nothing, but all of this motorcycle talk made me remember it and I choose to inflict the story on all of you.
One day, back when I my sister and I were in our teens, we were standing in our front yard chatting with some friends. One of our neighbors who was not too much older than us was riding his dirt bike and decided to try to impress my sister and the other pretty girls. Flying past us on the road, he popped a wheelie, but then things went wrong. The stupid boy actually managed to fall backwards right off the bike! He was fine except for some bruises and scrapes, but his bike continued on and crashed into a parked car.
I laughed my butt off.
Thanks to velcro, I got it reattached, though.
Oh, the indignity. That must have bruised his pride. (And his butt. And his wallet, paying for the damage to the parked car. Or his parents’ wallets, anyway.)
There’s a pretty good reason why police will stop you for popping a wheelie on public roads. They’ll also get you for “exhibition of acceleration” (that is to say, “peeling rubber”) if they see it, because it isn’t just a risk to your health, it’s a risk to other people.
Using your story as an example, what if that bike had somehow gone through the rear window and landed on someone sitting in the parked car? We’re talking possible injuries from the broken glass, possible burns from the hot engine, etc.
By the way, sorry if I get a little preachy about motorcycle safety. My best friend in grade school lost an arm (and almost lost his life) by not following safety procedures on his dirt bike.
About 15 years later, he lost his life to a drunk driver who turned the wrong way onto the Interstate (eastbound in a westbound lane), so I get kind of preachy about drunk driving, too.
The general rule of thumb for how warning labels get on packages or into instruction manuals is that there was an incident that made the company take notice. I set up a snow blower for a friend last year. The manual has a warning ‘do not use on roof’. So you know that somewhere, somebody thought that was a good idea, and then decided to sue someone over the results of that decision.
I do believe that everybody have the right to take whatever risk they want with themselves, from eat meat to be a war correspondent. It’s their life after all.
Buuuut, any time that someone dies or become handicapped, society as a whole need to dedicate resources to deal with the consequences, resources we then can’t use to solve other problems.
The aftermaths of risky lifestyles are holding us all back, we as society do have a saying about how much a person can play with our lives.
Helmets and seatbelts should be mandatory.
Feel should clarify: people who have survived to adult-hood (and deemed capable of making their own decisions) should have the right to wear a helmet as an option
Speaking of seatbelts: why are taxi drivers exempt from wearing them? Mum is getting older and now has to use a taxi to get everywhere (because a local councillor who was about to step down, decided to fuck with the bus service to where it is almost useless to the majority of residents), and 70% of the time they never get out of their seat
Same with couriers: is saving 30 seconds putting on their belt enough reason for them to risk their, and other road users’, lives? o_O
“why are taxi drivers exempt from wearing them? ”
I didn’t know that. Don’t make any sense to me.
Around here it’s mandatory for everybody aboard any type of car, truck, et cetera to wear seatbelts all the time. It include intercity buses. Childs under 12 should go in the rear seats and wear belts suitable to their size.
It’s mandatory for everybody riding a bicycle, motocycle or similar to wear helmets. If it’s a motor vehicle it’s also mandatory to wear reflective elements. It’s not allowed for an underage whose feet don’t reach the foot pegs to ride motocycles or similar.
All these applies to both drivers and passengers.
Also it’s mandatory to have a basic first aid kit on cars and the like.
“is saving 30 seconds putting on their belt enough reason for them to risk their, and other road users’, lives?”
How to do not wear a seatbelt risks other road users’ lives?
Because taxi driving unions have a powerful lobby group. Plus having history on their side. Hackney cabs operated safely, for generations, prior to the introduction of the motor car. And the extremely high professional standards of London black cab drivers, and other cab firms, carried this forward to the present day.
Meaning that, firstly, taxis are statistically less likely to be involved in accidents.*
Secondly taxi cab drivers have to continually get out to help passengers. Be it the routine assistance with luggage. Or the assorted other less frequent issues such as assisting passengers with disabilities, those who are injured (eg having a limb in a cast) or ill, helping to keep unruly children under control or managing a drunk passenger. The frequency of these issues combined is far more than regular drivers have to face.
Finally there is the criminal element to consider. Mostly due to taxi cab drivers have to deal with absconding passengers, attempting to evade a fare. However there is the less frequent risk of a mugger posing as a passenger, and attempting to use the seat belt to strangle the driver!
* As an aside the report cited in that article indicates that, when such accidents do occur, taxi passengers who choose not to wear seat belts are twice as likely to be killed, or seriously injured, than those who do.
One of Lady Sally’s (Mike Callahan’s wife) clients was a were-beagle. Yep, a beagle, as in the dog breed. Which also leads me to wonder…If humanity bred dogs from wolves, then what about those wolf-breeds continuing to pass on Lycanthropy through their successive generations, even as humans have been breeding dogs?
…Could Yorp actually be a were-German Shepard?…
O.o
Apro-pro to nothing, can a lycanthrope of one species, get infected with lycanthropy, from another were-species? If so how would it manifest? Being, say a … umm… werewolf one night, and a were-lynx the next? Or would I… err… one become some hideous combination of both?
Your line of inquiry immediately brought this to mind –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVnlUCZwGKU
OK, here is a cookie.
*presents cookie, purring encouragingly*
So… what is the answer?!
*worriedly paces back and forth, tail wagging agitatedly*
You’d get sick for a couple days and be the same as you always was.
Unless you’re in an Anita Blake book, but then you’d also have to worry about being part of her harem whether you like it or not.
Thanks for reminding me why I quit AB books decade plus ago.
Well that depends if they work on the same full-moon cycle.
Maybe you are a wolf on full moons, but a fox every other tuesday.
But if you are already dead as a vampire, ciuld you get infectedas a zombie?
And if a zompire could exist, would ot only drink cerebral blood? Or would it just eat the brains after drinking the blood?
that part where he’s asking about a “zompire” brought something to mind for me: The Pocalypse, a 16-bit graphically animated webcomic (that unfortunately has updated for quite a long time). In there, a few vampires were bitten by zombies & became zompires (& subsequently ostracized from the mainstream “vampire society”), but when they bit a normal human, the human becomes a zompire as well.
Thanks for the cookie!
Raj is correct: mummies are zombies, they just don’t tend to eat people because they are several thousand years old and can barely move their jaws
What is the most important part of creating a mummy? Removing the brain, which zombies cant function without. Boom
:-O
How can you make such a sexist claim, in the Grrl Power comments? What you say is totally wrong, anyhow. You need a bird, a bee, a stork and a cabbage patch.
If zombies can’t function without a brain, why are they constantly in search of one? That implies that they currently are lacking in a brain
That’s a straw man argument if I ever heard one.
psst, it’s apropos of nothing
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apropos_of_nothing
No what will teally bake your brain is would a Were Chihuahua grow or shrink
What about the embarrassing were creatures. Consider the were-bedbug. The morning after the full moon you wake up in some strangers bed sucking on their ankle. . .
That happens to folks, even without lycanthropy.
Bob?!
Mmh? Oh sorry, was I sleep nibbling again?
Would vampires be out to eradicate were-ticks just because of the embarrassment of their existence?
Are there anyy were-ticks?
Well there were ticks
Can you imagine The Tick as a vampire? Or a therianthrope?
Well, from what I recall of the previously-mentioned were-beagle, every time he changed, he would shit himself, because a beagle’s digestive tract is significantly smaller than a human’s, and all that excess biomass has to go somewhere…
No, he just farted, I think. Potently.
based on some of the sites on the net, were forms could be the result
The old shadowrun novels. There were a couple that involved a wolf that shapeshifted into a human. Instead of the normal vice versa. I can’t remember what her tale was. She left the area she lived in to live among humans while hunting something/someone. She wound up taking on as a bounty hunter type shadowrunner
She was a tiger. You’re thinking of the novel “Striper Assassin”.
And dear sweet black jebuz … why do I remember that? I’ve not read a Shadowrun book in 20 years.
You have a better memory than I do. though at least I remembered important bits outside of what she shifted from
‘Striper Assassin’, but she was a tiger, not a wolf.
I’m not sure how my mind got stuck on wolf instead of tiger
Werewolves are far more common, it is natural enough, when focusing on the swapped-around nature, rather than the type.
Especially as you would be likely to think of it, if only subconsciously, every time you see a lycanthrope in a movie or other story. The vast majority of which feature werewolves. So that association will grow stronger, whilst the memory of the original source would gradually fade.
One movie that broke that trend was Cat People. Not the best movie but the remake with David Bowie music was fairly good mostly because of the good use of Bowie’s music.
I wonder how much worse the 1942 version was
The original wasn’t bad, it’s like asking how bad the original “The Mummy” was compared to the Brendon Frasier comedy re-make
In which case you might like to know that the David Bowie tribute Prom is still available, to listen or download, for another 28 days.
Because she ended up with a werewolf boyfriend/mate. I still have that book somewhere.
Also Shadowrun werewolves were animals with human intelligence and the ability to shift into human form. Canon mentions included a panther (Cyberpirates), an eagle (one of the adventure modules, I forgot the name) and a seal (also Cyberpirates) and probably a lot more but those are the ones of the top og my head.
Aren’t were-seals typically Selkies? o_O
If using traditional folklore, yes. But Shadowrun uses its own flavour of things.
Oh, so they basically make up their own shit?
One would hope a fantasy game system had some original elements. But if drawing in preexisting lore, it is necessary to make sure it fits the rest of the game. Which might require modifying some things.
This type was usually referred to a a “reverse were,” the animal-form being the natural shape. Even the White Wolf RPG, Werewolf, the Apocalypse, made extensive use of that, but it’s been a part of the legends for a long time.
D&D called them wolfweres. They debuted way back in Advanced. MM2 if I recall correctly. Of course, the legends and stories involving the concept of animals that gained the ability to shift into human form predates the idea of “normal” weres by centuries, if not millennia.
Wolfwere is a little specific. Werehuman would be accurate and would cover any type of animal that could assume a human (or mostly so) appearance.
So a female catwere infects a male… werewolf, what happens? Do you end up with a cat that can turn into a wolf? Or a human that can turn into a human? (possibly a different one). Or would you end up with multiple forms?
• Human male
• Hybrid humanoid-wolf (like Gregor, above)
• Wolf
• Cat
• Catgirl
• Human female
• Hybrid catwolf (cat-sized)
• Hybrid wolfcat (wolf-sized)
• Hybrid catwolfgirl (child-sized)
• Hybrid wolfcatgirl (large human-sized)
• Hybrid catwolfguy (young teenager-sized)
• Hybrid wolfcatguy (Hulk-sized)
• Hybrid dontwantogothere!
Actually I don’t believe that on were can infect another… Most modern systems have it that Becoming a were or vampire makes you immune to all other diseases.
Otherwise I would see vampires being very picky about who they drank from……
It is absolutely central to the Underworld films. The forbidden love between werewolf and vampire, and the abomination that results from such a union.
That didn’t come from infection. That came from cross-breeding. Drinking werewolf blood was just fine for vampires in the Underworld films. It was sex that was the problem.
Spoiler alert. Great series. Watch all of them, if you have not already, instead of ruining any plot points, by clicking here.
Except for in the original movie the guy is infected with lycanthropy, by being bitten by a werewolf. Then, later, Kate Beckensale, as the vampire, deliberately infects him with vampirism. Thus turning him into the demonic hybrid of both species.
So, in those movies, the infections could be spread by the saliva in a bite, via a blood transfusion, or through natural offspring. The latter being possible because the vampires were humans, infected with a mutating disease, rather than the dead raised to unlife, by dark magics or via demonic means.
Well, there was something about his bloodline, wasn’t there? I have a vague memory of him being stalked by the werewolf clan because his ancestry somehow made him special…
Yup. The father of both the vampire and werewolf lines was an immortal. One of his sons was bitten by a wolf, and another by a bat, thus gaining their powers.The male hero was a direct descendant of that original progenitor. So, yea, not every vamp or werewolf might have been able to do that. But they did not try, because of the ban, and, later, the war.
Given that said immortal was still alive, in the modern era of the movies, it makes me wonder how many other children he had. Clearly enough that there were extensive bloodlines, for the werewolves to trace. And how many of them might have been bitten by duckbilledplatypussies, geese, hamsters and mosquitoes?
I don’t know how to do the spoiler thing so *SPOILER ALERT*
*SPOILER ALERT*
In underworld anyone nit directly descended from the immortal who got bit by both vampire and lycan the two viruses would duke it out in the blood killing them. And the immortal progenitor only had three sons. The first vampire, the first lycan, and a third that srayed human and who eventually turned into the hero guy Michael
*END SPOILER ALERT*
Oh yea, that was the point of them mixing the blood, to see if they had a viable descendant. I forgot that bit.
If you wish to do spoilers it uses the following format:
[spoiler]Type_the_text_you_want_hidden_here[/spoiler]
You get reminders of the tags you can use, underneath the input box, when you are creating a comment. I normally just copy and paste them into the text. Just remember to add the “/”, in the appropriate spot in the closing tag.
One problem with the spoiler tag (only) is that it only works on a single paragraph. If you hit the return button, you are ending a paragraph. Each paragraph you create therefore needs to be separately enclosed in the spoiler tags.
Unless it’s ghostbusters the cartoon, not Extreme. Where they go to a town with vampires and werewolves. And both sides brawl in a long winded constant infection swap. Where vampires wolf out, and werewolves vamp out. then vice versa
“Actually I don’t believe that on were can infect another… ”
You are right. In fights between weres (bites and all) they never got doubly infected. True that most times it’s because they just die, partly because in some lores weres can’t heal (or only heal at normal rate) wounds made for other weres, but still.
Unless you’re referring to the Anita Blake: Vampire Humper series, of course. (Seriously. Anita gets stabbed with more “wood” than the vampires ever do.)
In that series, if you’re bitten/clawed by multiple species of weres before you transform before the first time, you end up as a panwere. (I’m sure that if the author had known that “were-” means “man-“, she would’ve used a different word. “pan-human” is just plain wrong, and sounds stupid.) Point is, you can mix-and-match the forms of all those different were-creatures.
Actually, “Wolfwere” would be more accurate than “Werehuman”. “Were-” comes from an old english/germanic word that means “Man”. And in the old context, “man” simply meant a person, not a male person, that’s a relatively modern change. So, by saying “Werehuman,” you are actually saying “human-human”.
Actually, a minor correction. Gregor isn’t a dire-were-wolf, he is a were-dire-wolf (feel free to mentally delete dashes/insert spaces to suit yourself).
A dire-were-wolf would be a dire human (whatever that means in this context, Adolf Hitler perhaps) who turns into a wolf (interestingly Adolf apparentlly derives from a word meaning wolf).
A dire human would be a neanderthal, or other earlier slightly-larger-than-average-modern-human hominid, in the homo-sapiens family tree. If extrapolating from humans in the same way as from wolf to dire wolf.
“Werewolf?”
“There, wolf.”
Anyone knows what (very funny) movie I’m refering to?
Why are we talking like this?
I thought you wanted to!
Suit yourself. I’m easy.
There, castle.
Young Frankenstein, of course. Classic.
“There castle.”
…which had such huge knockers…on the door…
What hump?
Put the candle back!
Technically, werehuman would be ‘man human’ because etymologically wer is Old English for ‘man’. A werewolf is literally ‘man wolf’.
There’s the Hyena-were from the Kate Daniels series, her dad was a Hyena who got infected with lycanthropy and became a human when he shifted. In that series they played up the full moon thing to keep people away until the were-population grew, but they do tend to have short tempers.
“So is that a wolf I see over there?”
“Where?”
“No, just an ordinary wolf.”
Katrina’s evil. Mark my words!
(Honestly I don’t know, I’m just trolling around).
She certainly seems more likeable than Clover, but I suppose it’s possible that she’s just trying to ingratiate herself with Sydney for her own nefarious purposes!
What if they are ALL evil? But have willingly come to the negotiating table, as they recognise that they must have a truce, or face extinction, at the hands of the growing numbers of super-humans.
Kind of like a certain man with a X scar on his face?
I prefer vamps to be evil bloodsucking corpses anyway.
I can’t think of any evil guys, with an “X” on their face?
*scratches head, with paw*
Nope. None in this comic anyhow.
*whispers* Deus~
Come now. Maxima’s ex? The man who proves that capitalism can work right? Who is beloved by his public, by elevating a country to a state of enlightened dictatorship? Who’s company is so trusted, that it is the sole supplier of specialist equipment to Archon? The man who Maxima trusts to keep the source of her power, sitting on his desk?
Max would never bring Sydney to face foes without at least a warning first. Unless she was never aware. But I don’t think the supernaturals would revolt without ARC being prepared.
Got a good chuckle at the Rob Beckett comment at the bottom!
I’m with Sydney. Never heard of him.
Who? o_O
He’s a British Standup Comedian, I only know him from Mock the Week myself, but he’s done a few other shows.
Oh, it’s a similar (but clearly inferior) version of the local show, “7 Days“?
Not sure if proud or embarrassed when our local mayor showed up for a round of Yes Minister o_O
Mock the Week is OK, but, personally, I always preferred Have I Got News For You. Nowadays though I listen to The News Quiz, which does the same job, but on the radio.
Quite glad it came up actually, to remind me to start checking for the next series. It can’t be too much longer before it starts up again.
Huh! I would’ve thought that the werehorse named would’ve been Sarah Jessica Parker…
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sarah-jessica-parker-looks-like-a-horse
LOVED the Rob Beckett reference! Now get Phill Jupitus and Greg Davies in there somehow! (HA!)
It would explain the teeth at least. Had me in bits.
Greg would be a were-troll. Not sure about Phil. I’ll ask him next time I see him…
I thought Gary Busey was a were-frog.
You are thinking of the original lyrics to an old song that is widely misquoted. “Jeremiah was a were-frog’.
So, would a were-wolves home be a were-house?
I feel we should be werey of making jokes like that, you may start something!
Given that “were” is old Germanic for “man”, the houses of a lot of us are were-houses.
Actually, the word “werewolf” does indeed translate from Greek as “man-wolf,” but for any other animal form, the Greek “theriomorph” (animal-shape) would be more accurate. It’s just that the general usage of “werewolf” over time has effectively expanded the meaning. Actually though, all werewolves are theriomorphs, but not all thereiomorphs are werewolves.
However the correct “medical” term is zoanthrope. I put that in quotation marks because the closest known actual medical condition is an excess of facial hair.
Cryptids, the lot of ’em!
Actually the closest known medical condition (if speaking about ‘becoming a werewolf’, as opposed to just being hairier than normal) is clinical lycanthropy<.
I was referencing this.
Ok, standard BBcode links don’t work here so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrichosis
+1!
I am adopting the use of “theriomorphs” to replace “lycanthropes”.
Here is your Yorpie Snak.
::tosses a Yorpie Snak in the general direction of Midnight Destroyer and winces as he realizes what he’s done::
Theriomorphs would be the broad umbrella under which Lycanthrops are housed. Theriomorphs could include Japanese Kami, like kitsunes who can shift between human and fox forms.
Now we just need someone to get theriomorphs confused with terriermorphs.
In my D&D campaign, Kami are Spirits – Spirits are sentient beings generally associated with a specific locality and which have never been mortal.
For example, the house-spirit of an oriental house would be a Spirit, while a ghost having once lived there and now haunting the house would be Undead.
However, hengeyokai might very well be theriomorphs (as they are clearly mortal), although their origins as spirit creatures (youkai) might argue otherwise. Maybe obake? Nah, that’s still pretty much a “always was a supernatural thing” word.
The issue with lycanthropes is the “can pass along the curse” thing – maybe “kataramorphs” (literally “curse-shape”)?
Name another forum not dedicated to etymology where this sort of discussion could happen. Such smart peoples
Comics – world peace through shared popular culture (ok, stole that one).
You need to add a were-elephant who has a day job as a doctor that treats skin diseases. Then he could be a pachydermatologist.
::blinks as he realizes MidnightDestroyer actually caught the Yorpie Snak and glances at Yorp suspiciously::
*sulking in the corner, with back to everyone, muttering to self*
Oh sure, give him the Yorpie Snax, even though I mentioned therianthropy the day before. And correctly spelt it with an “a” instead of an “o”! The world is descending into kaos.
::begins juggling Yorpie Snax and cascades them in Yorp’s general direction::
Credit (and Snax) where they are due. :D
Yay, yay, YAY!
*starts dancing around in the shower of Yorpie Snax,™ with mouth open*
Hey, it’s okay. At least he didn’t feed me after midnight. That would’ve caused a problem.
So, if someone were to dump a bucket of water (they just happened to be carrying for no particular reason >_>) over you, would you melt or self-produce? o_O
How else do you think I keep up with losses in my ninja clan? To train a ninja from childhood is a long & arduous process, whereas this method makes more ninja from fully-grown & trained personnel.
;)
In the White Wolf genre, World of Darkness series, a few werewolves have been turned by vampires & they wind up becoming pitiful wretches indeed; it drives them insane because vampirism is the exact antithesis of what the weres believe in, to the point where they become suicidal. Some have even been known to try using their own claws to disembowel themselves, but they regenerate.
“…and the abomination that results.”
…and they were most commonly referred to as being Abominations…
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If the house fits…
You can take a werehouse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Had a brainfreeze for a moment and thought the post-comic footer said were-shonisaurus. Now I can’t get the idea of were-dinosaurs running around the GrrlPower universe out of my head..
That would be neat :)
Thinking about interaction – time machines do exist in the Grrl-verse, don’t they? Now, since when do the were-viruses exist? Initially I thought that it’s a human curse, so the virus wouldn’t exist until some got serious cursing right. Thus, not many millennia back, on the other hand, the curse could be about any animal the wizard knew about.
Seeing that magic does exist in Grrl-verse, were-curses probably have more to do with that than with viruses.
How racist. Thinking that the first wizards had to have been human!
Don’t forget dinosaur thaumaturges!
You did? Well now you see just how powerful their “this-is-not-the-dinosaur-you-are-looking-for” spells are!
Nah the first wizards were insects of course. How else could a dragonfly with a 12 inch wingspan fly?
Let’s not forget the ancient primordial soup school of sorcery & physics – those bacteria can wield some pretty impressive alteration effects.
Oh, now I want to write a primordial bacteria wizard story. Welp, off to research bacteria.
And when he grasped the rod of methilated DNA with a loop at the end with his flagelum, he could feel a surge of power in his golgi aparatus as it started to produce liposomes filled with dramatic smoke and his stigma turned octagonal to sense all colois of the spectrum including octarine.
Enough of that smut! Really. Bacteria porn is pushing it just too far!
:-D
…Not nearly enough for those scientists who are secretly into voyuerism when looking into those microscopes.
“My God! It’s an orgy!”
Well I prefer Yeast side story.
Telomeres in meiotic recombination?
Hehehehe…
Malaria!
I just caught a germ named Malaria….
Goodnight, sweet Plasmodium,
and may flights of anopheles whine thee to thy rest.
I don’t think a were-dinosaur of any type would be possible. During the time of the dinosaurs, the fossil records indicate that the most advanced mammals were small, skittish rodent-like burrowing critters that lived much like Groundhogs do today. Mammals then stayed small because, well, dinosaurs, burrowers because, well, dinosaurs & were skittish because, well, dinosaurs.
If anything, the closest I can think of to a weredinosaur would be some form of werebird.
… And why not?
Plus, note that the period right before dinosaurs got to the top of the pile was dominated by proto-mammals, some of which were pretty darn scary. Apparently a mass extinction event took most of them out (and gave the dinosaurs their chance in the sun).
Yea, that mass extinction was down to the first Alien infestation. Thank goodness the Predators came along and turned Earth into a protectorate!
Mmm…. were proto-mammal/Alien/Predator…
who bites Sigournay Weaver!
*starts feverishly writing script*
Well there were some really nasty bugs before the dinosaurs too.
https://listverse.com/2013/01/14/10-prehistoric-bugs-that-could-seriously-mess-you-up/
If a centipede wants to come scurrying through my front door, I let it. I am quite happy for it to hunt around for any wood-eating insects which might try to also get in.
But a centipede bigger than me? No thanks!
I suspect a Were-Spider would freak people out, half the time simply over confusion from the name.
On a note about giant bugs, I remember reading about them discovering the giant huntsman spider in 2001 in Laos. World’s largest spider by leg span, which can reach up to 1 foot. Found in caves, near entrances. One of the organizations behind finding it said “some of these species really have no business being recently discovered,” which I interpret to mean that some researcher his in a cave in Laos, got a giant spider on him, and was like “How the hell did nobody know that thing existed?!”
HOW DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT SPIDER LIVING NEXT DOOR?!
Spider? *twitch* What spider?
Barry Longyear wrote a very entertaining story on where all the dinosaurs went. It’s found in the collection of short stories “It came from Schenectady” and was titled “The Homecoming” (I think).
“Tree-Wees”, indeed…
Birds are dinosaurs.
More accurately, birds were dinosaurs…Today, they’re birds. That’s evolution for you…
;)
Indeed ’tis strange how language evolves. How feathered flying creatures of one era are given different designations to the feathered flying creatures of another. Despite the commonality of their DNA.
I wonder when our languages will evolve to properly describe such relationships?
Probably when human communication evolves to the point it can transfer & receive concepts and knowledge with perfect clarity & no possibility of misundertanding, every time. Shortly after that, we’ll either take over the universe or blow ourselves up out of sheer embarrasment.
It already did, but people rather use shorter more pleasant to the ear options.
DaveB, about the vote incentive: Could you do a stick figure theater or something where the persons are recognizable, about like, say, about 3 lines of the strips below the page, in b/w? I’d love that as a vote incentive!
Seconded.
Or even just a mini-comic, like underneath today’s issue. It need not be canon (in fact it would be preferable just to be silly stuff, otherwise it would be hard to cite it, in later conversations). But it would help voting numbers, if folks expected to see something different, a bit more frequently. With a very simple mini-comic, like today’s, being a lot quicker to do than a full-sized page.
Umm … hate to point it out but in Panel 2 Sydney seems to be without her HALO.
Apart from that loving it, especially the after chat with Gregor.
Sydney was getting bored remember. Perhaps, just to keep busy, she maneuvered them so that they were orbiting her waist instead of her head.
I could totally see her doing that. Up and down, possibly making Star Trek transporter noises with her mouth.
(Also, I wonder if she noticed that one of the banners in panel 4 has the Konami code…)
Whoa. Well spotted. Now I know what was making me feel uneasy about that shot! I hope DaveB does a fix on that. I do not think it was intentional, as Ignoble* suggests. Otherwise she would probably be looking at them, as she was playing. Plus we might expect to see a bit of their glow, but there is not a hint of such, above or below.
At least we know that the halo is present in the final panel, despite being hidden by the speech bubble. We can see their glow, on Sydney’s hair.
* I wonder if we will ever see an ‘Ignoble Darwin Award’? For a mad scientist, who went above and beyond the call of Science!
MAD?!
I don’t know what you may have heard, but we’re working for the betterment of all mankind.
Mankind is overrated. If you had the best interests of the planet in mind you’d wipe us out without a second thought.
Noo! They are my best friends! You must not do that. It is bad!
No, I’m not mad, just slightly annoyed.
*hands twitch & eyes shift back & forth*
Whoops! Keith put her orbs in, but they were covering Maxima’s face, so I deleted them to fix later but obviously forgot.
Will you add them later?
Yeah I need to add that to my to do list.
Updated!
did halo/Sydneys orbs take a vacation in the second pannel?
*sniff*
The price to pay, for consorting with the undead. Sydney has lost her halo!
NOOOO!
They probably got even more bored than Sydney and wandered off on their own. My guess is in panel 2 and three Insol and Zephan are comparing soul patch grooming techniques.
You have a funny name. :-D
Isn’t a were-horse technically a Centaur or a Tikbalang?
No, a centaur is a man-horse, an individual with the body of a horse but the upper torso of a human, sort of like a minotaur (which has the torso of a man, legs and head of a bull), also have the manotaur which is the bull version of the centaur (body of a bull, torso of a man)
Although a centaur could be a hybrid form of a were-horse (like Gregor’s form above is neither wolf, nor man, but a combination of both). Likewise the minotaur. And Anubis, plus the various other Egyptian deities.
Much of the ancient world could have been ruled by were-creatures! Which could have spread their kind all over the place. St George killed a were-crocodile. St Patrick drove the were-snakes out of Ireland. Could David Ike be right about the UK monarchy, being were-lizards?
I wonder if there are any were-horse centaurs?
Can’t wait to see how this meeting turns out…!
While Sydney’s at it,is there a were-ape?!?
I am offended. I self identify as a were-hominid. /s
Is it possible that Bigfoot is some version of a were-Astralopithecus Robustus?
Okay, whomever Katrina is (or is that, what-ever?), she knows her TV shows (or trolls the TV tropes pages)
Most of these folks seem well socialized. What with glamours and such they can live quite well out in the world. Hell I bet even ol’ vampy Ingsol wings it out to a goth nightclub every now and then for a bite to eat.
Yeah, but Kat recognized “House” just from the lupus line
Just a heads up, it is entirely possible that when you get enough XP, you will be able to color a page as fast as Fred Perry. What is much less likely is the chance to become a epic level comic production expert, since the dude puts out a monthly comic, daily doodles, and comics about the video games he plays, not counting spin offs, one shots, and all the other stuff he does.
Seriously, the man is part robot, part whatever Dabbler’s father is. Be a family man, and we’ll be content with two comics a week (although if you take the perk to get three comics a week, we would not argue, wink wink).
Dave is one of Fred Perry’s acolytes.
I don’t think that we should push him to even thinking about three comics a week. Just look at all the work done on every page. Each panel is a work of art. Even if patrons donate enough to have Keith keep up the good work colouring full time, Dave is still producing all the art work, doing all the scripting and the numerous ancillary jobs, such as systems admin.
Not to mention even taking his tablet with him, when on holiday! We need to encourage him to have some spare time, to enjoy life. Rather than work himself into an early grave!
Unless he gets infected by a vampire first, of course. An immortal writer/artist, would be able to keep the comic going forever!
The art was part of what got me into this comic. Even from the first page, it was more than up there with the other comics I was reading at the time and it’s only improved with age. I love the idea of more story each week but not at the cost of quality.
Sorry, but Gary Busey is a were-clown.
And the phobia grows inside me once again. Damn you, Steven King.
Have a basket of tangelos…
DESTROY US AAAAAAAAALL-UH!!!!!
Only sometimes funny?
He’s only funny once per month?
A normally reliable neighbour told me about seeing a domestic pussy cat-sized cat-like critter, but with huge fangs. “That reached down nearly to the ground”. Who described it to a local, who confirmed they are indigenous, and her brother hunts them. Which was then followed up by her spotting it (or another one) again.
Trouble is Wikipedia does not list Bulgaria as having any Sabre-toothed wild cats.
We haz sabre-toothed were pussy cats!!!
*runs around barking like crazy*
*comes to a sudden stop*
Can you catch lycanthropy from a claw wound? Would a tetanus shot be enough to inhibit the transformation?
*pokes worriedly at scratched fore-leg*
Not sure what type of wild cat has teeth like that but there might be a greater hazard.
Like the weird green cat:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2871954/So-hiding-field-long-grass-Bulgaria-s-mysterious-green-cat-returns-vanishing-three-days.html
That cat is turquoise and became such by sleeping in an abandoned paint warehouse. It is in no way hazardous.
It was a joke. But the pictures are quite startling.
I shall keep an eye open for the green moggy, next time I am in Varna.
Oh, I agree, I spent days researching it when it was a new story.
you should be safe, yorpster. traditionally, spit was the infectious vector of choice for lycanthropes. and throwing my mind into fantasy logic, i’d think a cortizone or antihistamine shot would be better suited for transformation prevention. it prevents folks from transforming into vampires irl, after all.
Most likely a hybrid. Maybe lynx-domestic or some other hybrid.
Lynx are on the list of indigenous cats, so that is entirely possible. Not that I have ever seen one myself mind, but that would not be unusual. Lynx can be very elusive, when they want.
My folks just visited that zoo, last week, whilst it was on the run. And they admitted that there was no hope of spotting it. Their only chance lay in using humane traps, which is what worked, in the end.
That seems like an awful lot of effort for your folks to go through to see lynx already captured by the zoo.
They just wanted to do their bit.
They were quite excited about it. Especially having to cross the border, into a foreign country. I suggested they take a phrase book, to help communicate with the native hunters. But apparently the Devon dialect is close enough to Cornish English, that they could make themselves understood.
At least no one demanded that he provide the lynx to prove that it happened.
For all of the cat pictures on the internet today, they wouldn’t be lacking for a list of lynx.
Just a little added info about Dire Wolves. It seems they weren’t as smart as later wolves and candida. Or at least they had smaller brains/body size. Basically big dumb jock stereotype (yes that is a stereotype). Most of their prey and competition was of the giant variety so brawn was needed more than brains.
Interesting, but brain/body size is not an especially reliable indicator as to intelligence. Certain birds (sparrows, crows, macaws as a few examples) seem to knock that notion sideways.
Well they are comparing modern wolves to them and we know how smart they are and how big and complex their brains are. The predecessors of modern birds had even smaller brains/body size. Wolves and their ancestors are a much younger branch on the life tree.
Here’s a few fun facts about Dire wolves.
https://mentalfloss.com/article/63309/10-fierce-facts-about-dire-wolves
They’re like wolves…only Dire!
And you might get Dire-AIDS!
Well if you check the brain/body weight ratio for these smart birds you will find that they have a very large brain compared to the less gifted birds. Birds actually have an advantage as the neurons are packed tighter in their brains than in a mammal brain.
Here is a link to a study where they compared problem solving capabilities amongst a number of carnivorous mammalian species. In short they com to the conclusion that in their study, animals with a brain thats large relative to the body size were more successful in solving the problems presented to them.
One of the problems with trying to compare intelligence in animals is that it’s hard to compare something like a canine and a bird a sea mammal. Even amongst say sea living animals it’s tough to test the intelligence of an octopus and a dolphin and get meaningful results.
By limiting themselves to carnivorous mammals they were able to use tests where the same motivator (meat) could be used, and where the animals had the same basic tools available to solve the tasks. However I can’t shake the feeling that the large cats were basically just ignoring the pesky scientists who disturbed them during nap time…
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Anytime folks say that dinosaurs were dumb, I think of the smart birds, and how closely related they are to the dinosaurs. They did not need big brain cavities to be smart.
Plus there is a fair bit of evidence that they outsourced more of their processing to ancillary organs, than mammals do. Sadly I have not seen much research into this, for ages. All the cool scientists want to work on the brain, I guess? So it makes it harder to compare and contrast developments in the two fields and see how credible the work on the spine, heart and the like is, versus breakthroughs in neuroscience.
Great onomatopoeia in panels 2 – 4.
A wereonomatopeia. Sound by day, written word by night and, on the night of a full moon, the dreaded werethesaurus hunts!
Yeah, right Yorp. Throw the book at him, why don’t you?
Dictionary, of course…
So, this report they are waiting on… sounds like a mage will be talking out of his arse.
I’m sure there’s a a spell for anal ventriliquism
Material components needed to cast the spell are copious amounts of beans & onions…
Would explain a few things about Ace Ventura
And commenting there about Sydney’s response to Katrina, I really hate when a realistic (or supposedly realistic) show suddenly has an episode with either ghosts, outer body experiences or some afterlife crap. For me, they’re the worst Jumping the Shark examples out there.
Mmm, thing is each of those is still under investigation. The last you are guaranteed to find out about, one way or the other. The first is the least credible, but is still a world-wide and ancient belief.
The middle though, is the most interesting, at the moment, as it has an interesting trans-Atlantic experiment going on. Putting distinctive images on top of the surgery equipment (above the lights etc, that are overhead in an operation), where it is not visible from anywhere at ground-height, even to the surgical staff.
It is scheduled to run for ten years, before reporting. During that period every patient, who is resuscitated during surgery, in every participating hospital, is being interviewed, immediately upon being pronounced fit to talk.
I am not sure when that trial will be completed, but I am very interested to see its results. It is both large-scale and well-thought-out . Until it reports, I would not rush to dismiss the phenomenon unscientifically! Out-of-body accounts are all too common to do that prematurely. And this study will objectively discover if the things patients claim to see match up with the images, that can only be viewed from somebody ‘hovering above the scene’.
So what’s so special about the Twilight Council (snicker) that they have to be a separate entity and more secretive? Yes the public might freak out if they found out that vampires, werewolves, et cetera were real and walk among us, but how is that more frightening than existing side by side with super heroes (even sexy, good looking superheroes)? People who can fly and have the strength of ten men who call themselves superheroes are just as unnerving as monsters who can fly and have the strength of ten men.
It’s like the problem I have with the X-Men. We’re supposed to fear and loathe mutants who were born with their powers, yet love the superhero who gets her powers by spilling some chemicals on herself? Anyways, Dave, love the comic and happy Monday everybody!
The difference is: These guys are not in archon. And they have been along (in hiding) for a really long time.
Conspiracy Nutcases would go crazy over that. Well, crazier.
A few superheroes in a government agency is something different from whole Soceities of extradimensional and -terestrials. Because that is what each person on that council represents – a whole soceity.
Ignoring Xmen for the time being, these monsters are, rightly or otherwise, known as ferocious inhuman evil beings that hunt us as prey. The media portrays their powers as something to fear whereas grrlverse supers were clearly established as a force for protection, only to be feared during war time.
The fear of Mutants vs other superbeings in Marvel is/was manyfold. Firstly there was the idea that ordinary humans were being out-evolved and/or were going to be enslaved when the mutants took over. Secondly there was the fact that anybody could secretly be a mutant. Thirdly non-mutant superbeings had already proven themselves as good guys all the way back to groups like the Invaders when anti-mutant hate-mongering came on the scene with guys like Bolivar Trask (no relation to Trask the gangster who killed She-Hulks mom). Fourthly mutants could reproduce and increase in number until normal humans would be not only outpowered but also outnumbered. Plus it is paranoid bigotry. It doesn’t have to make sense.
The difference is superbeings are not seen as a “predator” of humanity, humanity as a whole has a fairly good track record of making anything that preys on us kinda die out rather swiftly no matter what their advantages are.
If supernatural beings who prey on humanity were out and proud about it, welll I wouldn’t give you good odds of their species surviving too long.
What about the Were-Penguin? Linus Thorvald claims to be one.
Or what about the Were-Platypus?
I mean unlike the horse, those two are actuall carnivorous.
Were-Penguins are just sub-par were-phoenixes.
Ah man, the Gary Busey joke killed me.
I wonder if Halo is ever going to figure out how to activate Disco Mode.
It is in the dance line of the skill tree. Borrowing surprisingly graceful anti-gravity moves, and vertigo protection, from the fly-ball, and combining it with mystery stuff, to make Halo into a galactic-class dancer.
Needless to say, she has yet to figure out that orb.
Actually, those two do have more traits in common with loup-garou than what we know of werewolfs.
I gotta admit, I like this were-fella. He seems a genuinely decent guy, if a bit outdated on his pop culture references. :p Clover is most certainly a party pooper though. I keep expecting to hear the debbie downer riff every time clover speaks.
Wasn’t her name “Katarina” just 2 pages ago?
Her name is as ever-shifting as the Waves.
So she is an undine and represents elementals?
If she is an undine, Katrina would be more appropriate…
::winks at Doef Movestofca::
So, you think the plot has become undone?
I wonder what group she speaks for. There must be a reason Dave didn’t say, a surprise for Sydney?
Perhaps she represents the Sandmen.
The reason being that she is a sleeper agent.
Sleeper agent. Now that’s a career I could excel in. Sleeping is currently my favorite pastime, so making a career out of it would be awesome…
So, you’re well-adapted to living your life “under covers,” are you?
:P
Not in the current heat…
Did you hit your head? It’s freezing out there!
Is yet to be seen if she is new as in a replacement or as in an addition, like a new race or a splinter group.
Maybe is not a coincidence, maybe Syd awakening added to a certain kind of beings making their share big enough to have now a representative of their own: Kat .
I think the press conference itself, and all the other issues which will flow from that, will handle any apparent coincidence. The world changed that day.
You are correct. Hopefully DaveB will either correct the Who’s Who, to add the extra “a”, or modify the speech bubble, back when she introduced herself.
“If in fact there are were forms of extinct animals, that would suggest that lycanthropy dates back to the time in which those animals were still around.”
What we need in the council is someone from Australia who is a were-thylacine. Then he and Gregor could hang out and talk about the old days.
Recent fossil evidence has shown that there used to be a relative of the Tasmanian devil that was over twice as large. We need to petition the the Australian government to name it the ‘dire devil’.
(but then Marvel would probably sue them over use of the name)
https://www.livescience.com/55576-extinct-australian-hypercarnivore-unearthed.html
I want to write that Friends fanfic now…
That would also explain George Lupus….
(Not to mention Chewbacca)
Maybe they’re one and the same.
When you say “supernatural shakeup” all I can think of are two brothers and a 67 impala coming to town. It’d be a meta episode for them, but that would actually be the one thing you could do to supernaturally shake up this comic. I mean, other than the current supernatural shakeup which is happening in the comic
I got the Rob Beckett reference… I don’t know whether to be proud or ashamed.
Jonah Falcon has to be a were-horse.
Oh hey! Picarto! I have one of those! I stream RWBY OCs… ^^
~JD
Clever avatar :)
Finally I have both a decent computer and cable, so could actually check out the streaming, if Dave goes ahead with it.
The were-dodo must be the saddest were there is…
How would a dodo even bite someone?
No matter how hard it tried to be threatening, its bite would still be amusing to onlookers…
JRPGs dictate that dodos don’t bite people but instead jump and dive bomb, using their beaks as spears to pierce the skin. Their stubby wings allow them this minimal aerial control, even if proper flight or even gliding is out of the question.
Not very good roleplaying, given that the dodos were notoriously docile and friendly. Having no predators, they would happily allow people to approach right up to them, and even handle them. Without attempting to flee or fight back.
I have a vague memory of being read a portion of a journal where one of those who documented the critters being a bit unnerved at how utterly without fear they were. Called it a bit unnatural to see a bird coming over and acting like a cat, rubbing its head on him.
Of course, that could also have been a fever dream or a result of a concussion in my youth, so its probably malarkey.
Nope, that sounds like a familiar account.
*wags tail, and purrs in a friendly manner*
@DaveB, Castle has been doing that for years! Sure, most of the time it happens to be fake, but there have been a lot of nebulous conclusions.
Heh. I wondered why only one page of comments. Practically a first for the evening of update day. Then it struck me that the livestream would explain it. Fascinating watching the incentive being coloured live.
Sydney’s fixed grin is a little disturbing, after I’ve looked at it for a while. Especially when it carries over 3-and-a-half panels. Is that was they call an “ingratiating grin?” I’m doubting mightily that it’s a “rictus of terror.”
I am very curious as to who is represented by the Konami Code banner.
A girl with pigtails and a hive mind. Probably with some kind of hacking power. Possibly insects in a girl suit. Alternatively originating from cyberspace.
So guess enquiring minds.
Oh yeah, now I see it. It’s funny but I was thinking “Guitar Hero.”