Grrl Power #425 – In case she’s ever a damsel in duress
For those of you who don’t quite follow the gag here, it’s a call back to page 218. Obviously Sydney has been brought into the fold and she’s on board. Max has gone quite easy on Sydney thus far – it’s questionable how much Sydney realizes that, but she’s smart enough to know not to get on Max’s bad side. However this game seems harmless to her. I assume the further up the chain of command someone gets the more problem they might have with it. I can only image doing stuff like this in the other branches of the military could get you into a good amount of trouble. Disrespecting a senior office or what have you.
This duress code is one of two Sydney will get. Vermillion is the one the rest of her team knows, but she’ll have a second one only the top brass knows, in case someone lower in the pecking order is ever compromised or revealed as a turncoat. Of course if everyone on the team knows that everyone else has a secret second code word, and turncoat would be listening for “rare” words to pop up in that sort of call. For that reason the secret duress code word has to be less rare, and the team members have to just condition themselves not to use it in daily conversation.
This process requires that Sydney memorize the rest of the team’s duress codes as well. Lots to do as a fledgling superheroine. Hiro, Max, Arianna and Zephan have to memorize both sets of code words. It’s got to be tough considering a situation like that is probably going to be a rare occurrence.
By the way I call Harem “part Irish” in that one panel. I started thinking about it and really she’s probably mostly Irish. She’s a befreckled red head and her last name is DeShantis. There’s a few other nationalities mixed in to her heritage, cause that’s just how people do, but yeah, mostly Irish.
I’m experimenting with something in that middle panel – the captions are character coded by hair color, since in this case the two speakers have different hair color, go figure. This won’t work if Arianna is talking to Vogue Harem or Anvil with Heatwave. When I originally started the comic, I considered briefly color coding the speech bubbles the way Flaky Pastry does, but I was concerned that could lead to some difficult to read color combinations. Obviously everyone notices the pretty word bubbles, but correctly associating them with offscreen speakers is something only really astute readers pick up on.
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Countdown until Syd runs into a villain that calls herself “The Vermilion Vixen” or something like that.
That is doubtless one of the reasons that Archon decided to do the naming themselves, and put the effort in to publicise it well. Throw in giving the press hand-outs for each super (we know that they do so for the cop supers, presumably they do likewise for any villains who get charged or convicted), and they pretty much have tied up the naming rights. As Halo pointed out in one comic.
They could re-name “The Vermilion Vixen” as “The Red Fox” or, if they drove her out of a hideout, “The Flushed Fox”.
As an aside, I wonder if Archon (or individual supers, where they name themselves) could hit intellectual rights issues? If a villain’s only power is to shapechange into a wolverine, would they have to avoid the obvious name?
Clearly one would be a fictional comic-book character, and the other a ‘real-life’ person, but they would still be described as super-humans. And the Marvel one is already a house-hold name. If the individual in question, turns out to be a petty criminal, they would not want to have their brand dragged into disrepute, by association.
Ariana wants Sidney to be more creative with her cursing to avoiding actually offending people. Sydney’s duress word is vermilion.
Combine these two into a nice long tirade to avert suspicion: that’s five bucks in the jar and reinforcements in thirty seconds or less, depending on which part of the country Max is in.
Ariana is foolish. If you wish to avoid offending anyone, you cannot do or say anything. As for cursing, you are supposed to offend someone, that is the point of it.
Yup, far too many people tend to feel insulted or offended, not for themselves, but for other people
“I’m not Irish, but I found that offensive to the Irish people”
I do not get offended at native American jokes or native racial slurs like when some one asks if I’m Sioux which means snake in the grass in Ojibwe or the names of sports teams if you have the time to get offended over petty crap like that or made up slurs like Syd’s then you have far too much time on your hands.
Well said.
The whole “Redskins” controversy is dumb too…the team was named that to honor their native American coach at the time. It was most definitely NOT intended as a pejorative.
For the record, my all-time favourite comedian is the late great Dave Allen – whose specialty was jokes about Irish and Catholics. Noting that he himself was Irish-Catholic.
Welcome to the world of modern white supremacy, namely the belief that, even though most white ethnicities at one point or another went through the exact same thing, other peoples, sexes, or religions are somehow inferior to whites intellectually, and so therefore cannot expected to understand that anybody saying those kinds of things is almost certainly ignorant of reality, and therefore should not be taken seriously. The groups on behalf of which those people are offended are morally certain that said groups are not as intellectually evolved as they are, and are more prone to rely upon instantaneous emotional reactions, rather than coolly logical discourse to guide their actions, and are therefore attempting to keep you from provoking the natives so that the poor, innocent blacks/Hispanics/Native Americans/pick your group can be guided into the true and honest light of Western civilization, and take their place according to their race’s native abilities.
Now me, who grew up in the Deep South, without a whole lot of high-falutin’ terms and quackery to explain why a simple redneck like me would never be able to understand all the subtle nuances of this kind of attitude, and how it was different from the racism of the South…I learned that attitude was called “white supremacy,” and that people who held it were properly termed as “racists.” Even when they were black, Hispanic, or what have you. Where I came from, the KKK had black members as well as white (I am not kidding about this, nor am I embroidering on reality) and you could not tell the rhetoric of the one from the other unless you could see their face, at which point the black members immediately became about six times creepier. At least.
Thankfully, I left that place before the KKK inducted its first Hispanic members…but I have no doubts that they were inducted eventually. White supremacy shows up everywhere, and in every case, the people who talk about how this or that group is inferior to the majority, and therefore needs extra rights to make up for things, is dead wrong.
That so much of this country should accept that these “lesser peoples” should be “gently guided” into accepting their “proper place” in society, and see nothing at all wrong with this, really angers me. There is little I can do about it, but I am angered all the same.
Wait, what? All that to explain why it’s bad to make insulting stereotype jokes about someone? o_O
My point is that it isn’t necessarily bad to make potentially insulting stereotype jokes about people–it’s bad to claim offense on somebody else’s behalf. As Don Rickles said, it’s only mean if the person you are making the joke about takes offense–otherwise, it’s funny. If you mean your joke to hurt people, that’s bad. Otherwise, it’s just a joke, and if the person to whom it might apply doesn’t like it, they need to return the treatment in kind, or let the joker know (usually the second is enough). Don’t suffer in silence–communicate! It’s what makes people…well…people
Or, to reduce my previous comment to a few lines: if the WASP segment of the country can put up with jokes about their stereotypes, and the rednecks can put up with jokes about OUR stereotypes, than everybody else can put up with jokes about their stereotypes. Saying they can’t implies that all of the others are less than we are, and that should not be acceptable.
See, communications is basically the real key to avoiding offense. If everybody knows that you a) are fully aware you don’t know a damn thing about what you’re joking about and are willing to be corrected if you get it too egregiously wrong, and b) are okay with the same treatment being applied to you; most or all of the offense goes away. In this, as in everything, communicating with others is what makes us human–in my experience, aside from the 1 person in 150, there is no such thing as one human. One human, alone, tends to be a pretty pathetic creature–we’re not much more than animals, when alone, and it shows. It’s only when you get lots of humans together that this changes, but it doesn’t really seem to matter which you get together, or how they feel about each other.
Lest you dismiss this as the ravings of an asshole, I should mention–by United States Federal standards, I am severely handicapped. When people start making retarded jokes, or jokes about ADHD, I’m technically one of the people they’re talking about. And this is my response, as one of the people on whose behalf others are offended. Simply put, if I am your equal, than I am the one who should decide whether to take offense, not you. The only way you have the right to take offense on my behalf is if you believe that I am not your equal…and I take offense to that.
Er…basically, I’m giving an explanation for why the exact opposite is true. Generally, it’s okay to make insulting stereotypical jokes about a group of people, as long as you aren’t being deliberately cruel or mean when you do so. Otherwise, redneck jokes would be…well…let’s just say Jeff Foxworthy would have made a lot less money, otherwise.
Just make jokes about stupid people.
They are every where.
Even in your mirror.
Was making a joke about long-winded people :P
SOP for a distress code word is to call another officer by your name which is easier for Sydney then most sinc her given name is gender neutral
But she’s world famous. So whoever captured her will know that’s her name
I have to assume that this has come up before–if that’s the SOP, than I would assume that it is SOP for good reason. Plus, the phone person at ARCHON probably is NOT world famous, so nobody would really know their name…except for the folks at ARCHON.
Color coded (or otherwise distinct through font, etc) speech bubbles/boxes would be a good idea but make sure they are unambiguous (which you did pretty well here) and standardized if possible. The hair color strategy is good, but there is some similar hair colors in your cast which could be problematic in the future. Shouldn’t be too big of a problem.
There is also the strategy to put a character’s face by the word box, but that’s probably harder to do well and not really necessary in most cases.
I think Dave may have tried the tiny head method before.
Every member of ARC-SWAT has a ‘choker logo’. Maybe DaveB should use a variant of that in ‘off screen’ word balloons?
Easiest way to work Vermillion into a conversation is to talk about old Sega Genesis era RPGs. Then, just say “Sword of Vermillion was the best, hands down” and you’re golden!
Or Vermilion city, from Pokemon
“What do you mean you bought the Vermilion ones? That color is horrible!”
“What do you mean you bought the Vermilion ones? That color is horrible!”
That or someone has to run by her place to pick up some spare clothes for her and she mentions needing her vermillion shirt. or some other article of clothing.
Don’t forget to proof-read any suggested dialogue versus the proposed scenario. Namely Halo having a gun to her head. If it starts to sound too suspicious, she is likely to get killed!
Sydney needs to carefully judge any weird topics she introduces. Given that her likely orders, from the villains, will be to “get rid of them”.
Or a Sidney-specific one. “Yeah, I know I’m late. I’m at the bank, and stuck in a monkey licking vermilion scented candle wax statue humping line.”
Yea, Sydney is going to be famous enough that such her normal dialogue will be well known. But, for subjects who are not likely to be clued up (say hard-core Mormons or non-resident aliens), it might be better to go for something mundane like “you are making me blush a shade of vermilion.”
Using an RPG term, on the other paw though, would require prior nerd/geek assessment, or else risking sounding highly suspicious to the unenlightened.
Well… That’s a good combo
“curse using non curse words in weird combinations. make it a known habit” and “werid word is the panic word”
One of my uncles developed a habit in his teens of using technical terms for curse words. For example telling someone to “indulge in an aerial intercourse on a rotating pastry”.
I’d translate that if I knew how to do the whole “spoiler hide text” thing.
The spoiler tag is treacherous. You’d expect it to work as the rest with an opening tag, the spoiler content, and a closing tag. But instead it’s just an opening tag and then the spoiler in one row only. Any line break terminates the spoiler tag.
An example:
[spoiler]I got the part about a flying fuck. (and now an enter)
But the rotating pastry eludes me
And that didn’t work…
This thing makes me wonder what it’s actually supposed to do.
Lets see how this looks…
And there we have the wonderful weirdness of the spoiler tag…
That last post uses both a start and end spoiler tag. It looked like this…
“spoiler”This thing makes me wonder what it’s actually supposed to do.
Lets see how this looks…”/spoiler”
Now you can see how treacherous it is! and yes, I totally substituted quotation marks for the left and right square brackets just to keep it readable…
It even says that below the Comment box :D
Don’t know what you’re seeing that I don’t, but I can’t see any information about how the spoiler tag behaves, just a list of tags.
The strange thing about the spoiler tag is that it breaks convention in how it’s terminated.
In my post above you can see how the closing tag location is ignored, and only the first line of text is hidden while the second line is left readable even though it’s still inside the spoiler. It it worked as any other tag that requires a closing tag (which is just about all of them) then everything inside the spoiler tags would have been hidden.
So effectively the spoiler tag will only work on a maximum of one row of text at a time, no matter what you do about the closing tag. You do however still have to have a closing tag or it won’t work at all, but as long as the closing tag is placed after the row you want to mark as a spoiler it doesn’t have to be on the same row, and can even be the last thing in the entire post.
Correct. Although the key part to realise is that it is formatting a paragraph of text. When you hit the “enter” button you are creating a new paragraph, as far as this code is concerned. So you can have multiple lines of text, so long as you just let them wrap around, and do not try to force a line break. Such as I am just about to do here.
For readability, I actually hit the enter twice, to create a line gap, but the first one was the critical point. If you want to hide multiple lines of text, just ensure you do not use the enter key. However if you specifically want separate paragraphs, for whatever reason, you must place the opening spoiler tag at the start of each block of text and ensure that a matching closing tag is at the end of every block too.
Failing to do that means that only the first paragraph encountered (after the spoiler tag) will be hidden.
Er…that whole paragraph was visible. I am unsure if that was deliberate.
Let’s see…doing a few tests here:
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal status which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
[spoiler]they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights,
[spoiler]that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Okay: basically, it will cover a paragraph, if you close out the tag, and you don’t have to do so if you hit enter to put in a new line, but if you’ve got a multi-line quote, you have to close it out.
On another note, my history teachers will be pleased to see that I remembered enough of the Declaration of Independence to put in 2/3 of that by memory. They’ll be less pleased that I had to look up the rest.
Lets just call it’s behavior bizarre, as it doesn’t behave anything like other tags.
The fact that it will terminate with a line break has tripped me up several times. Most of the time I try to format what I write to avoid the “Block of Text” syndrome, and that includes most spoilers I might try to post. As there is no way to edit your post, switch to code view or even to preview before submitting it I really try to avoid the spoiler tag.
Spoiler is indeed the exception to all the other rules. Even down to the fact that it uses square brackets, rather than the angled ones. Likewise all the others you can preview the code, and test the results, here:
https://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_links_w3schools
Clearly all of the other tags are standardised ones (or close variants of such) in widespread use on the net. Whereas the spoiler tag was presumably made for the niche area of forums and similar. Plus I would assume not by the same folks who created the rest.
It doesn’t behave like the other tags because it is not like the other tags: the other tags use the greaterless than signs, spoiler uses the square brackets (if you note below the comment box, none of them show how you end them)
In that shown hypothetical scenario a plausible answer would be “I’ve decided on our team jersey colour. Vermillion all the way with white lettering.”
Something you could do also either as a seperator in the case of Adrianna talking to a blond super or as a full on treatment is add the Super’s necklace like you have in the who’s here spots. and maybe add quick little tags for the non supers like glasses for Zhang(sp?) or a keyboard for Leon that seems like he best bet to me
This page made me laugh out loud! So glad to see that list back!
Technically, The List isn’t back, she didn’t write in it, just using it to hide the Bingo card
Bingo card stored inside The List.
Card written on while still inside.
Something was written in The List.
Technically, no, it wasn’t written in The List (nothing was added to the Good nor the Bad List), that would be like if she had used the “Complete Works of Shakespeare the Tamarind” to hide the bingo card would only technically mean she wrote in it
DR.REVENGE was just making a play on words. Similarly to saying “I wrote a poem in the library” has the intent of it being written on paper, or in digital form, whilst inside a library. But it could also be twisted to mean writing graffiti on the walls of the library.
So he is, legitimately, skewing the interpretation in such a manner. Where as you are, also correctly, speaking as to the intent.
Nice new avatar, by the way, DR.REVENGE.
“Bows graciously”
And I just realized that this would be not just tricky but funny, too, because it’d be such a big screw-up, saying she didn’t want to die here. XD
Damnit I know I hit the reply buttong to my previous comment, but it didn’t work.
‘Potato deficient famine jockey’? Ha!
Another thing you could do to differentiate who’s speaking is to attach a set of hair and eyes to the bubble/block indicating who is speaking. you could do this because of how different each character looks and still not have trouble. and for harem, use the white haired one since the others all have something in common with some other cast member. just don’t forget to add glasses to character icons of those that wear them. also you could make a file with all of them there and just copy/paste as needed. this is something I’ve seen in Serpamia Flare so you may want to ask Rufi if it’s ok to copy that gimick.
The word “Quiver” is on the list two times.
Why does she have “quiver” on there twice?
Cause I haven’t fixed it yet. :P
“I’m experimenting with something in that middle panel – the captions are character coded by hair color,”
Maybe use the logo on the collars to show who’s speaking.
Hey, I just noticed something from the previous page, and I’m not sure if it’s just perspective playing tricks on me, or a minor art error: in Panel 3 on Page 424, Harem looks like she’s sitting a row behind Sidney, but in the other panels on that page and this one, she’s clearly still sitting right beside her. Is the back of the chair she’s actually sitting in just completely obscured by her shrug in that panel?.
actually in panel one, you can see that she is clearly sitting beside her. in panel 2 you see the corner of the chair just over her right shoulder. in panel 3 you see her sit up a bit which obscures the rest of the back of the chair.
Now that Sydney is there they should make a bingo card where they lose points for each swear/phrase she says and the last one standing wins. It could very well only last an hour if she manages to stub her toe or whack her shin again.
I would LOVE to see Zhara trying out Peggy’s ‘Ol Painless’ Minigun!
Speaking of hair colors… what are the nicknames for Harem’s bodies? Looking at the who’s who, I’m seeing pink, black/purple, blonde, black/pink and white. Apparently, the first one is “Strawberry”, what are the names of the rest?
Berry,Blondinie, Gothemere, Vouge, and Punkie.
Close: (using the Who’s Who for easy reference order) Berry, Gothamer, Blondini, Bodie & Abbie (or Abbey)
Bodie’s hair colour is purple/pink, not black/pink
Hmm, just wondering, do you think the Daphne’s will practice their Special Group Martial Arts move on me if start calling Berry ‘Chuck’? o_O
I don’t know, using the term “Fidelio” to emasculate someone seems like something she could plausibly do. The only way I could think of for her to say “Vermillion” would be if she randomly started talking about VVVVVV… which, then again, also seems like the kind of thing she’d plausibly do.
‘Fidelio’ is the name of Beethoven’s only opera
At twelve minutes after four the Overwatch servers were still not online. THOSE LYING LIARS.
I relaxed by reading a few of my favorite comics and then tried again. They’re online at 4:22. And then our Internet went down. *sigh*
…Not that it matters, I can’t go home for another hour and I need to get back to work, but still… damn you Blizzard for teasing me!
Also, lost my nice green skin and other items. Have to start over to accumulate stuff. Ofc. I have the Noir outfit for Widowmaker, but I really mostly play Mercy…
It’s a blizzard release. You KNOW the servers will be overloaded at first, so just wait a day
Or a week. Or in the case of the release of the Warcraft movie, a year or so.
Looks like Halo, Dabbler and Harem are shaping up to be the three people Maxima doesn’t want to have in same room together, but has to out of necessity.
As I said waaay back in a post of how Sydney would give a speech and in the word balloons are images of garbage cans tipping over to represent that whenever Sydney opens her mouth, garbage comes spewing out
Then she insults Arianna by point and saying: “Remember folks,Arianna’s office is in the alley out back behind the courthouse and above the pool hall!”
“Moist” better be on that list of thing to “Make Maxima Say…”
You also have “Quiver” on there twice.
Please disregard my second comment as I just saw the two others who mentioned it before me.
It is also one of the first posts on the first page (like number two or three, maybe the fourth post)
I have to say, the nameless thug with the rifle (you know, the one with the chamber of the weapon tucked up under her breast) is going to have a Bad Time if she needs to fire it in a hurry…
You do know that Maxi has a name, and could possibly be the only person who could outdraw Trinity (no, not that slapper from The Matrix, the spaghetti Western character)… if Trinity was having an off-day :P
I mean the nameless thug with the Y on her face, in the panel with the “ball sack” and Sydney in cuffs and mittens…
How does Sydney not know how to work Vermillion into casual conversation? She’s played Pokemon right?
“Oh, by the way, did you manage to beat Giovanni?” “Giovanni?” “The Gym Leader of Vermillion City?”
I mean, that would definitely be a way to get Leon’s attention, considering that Giovanni’s the leader of the Viridian City Gym, while Lt. Surge runs the gym in Vermilion City, although you run the risk of one of the bad guys recognizing Gen I city names and gym leaders. For the record, all of the city names reference a color present in that city’s gym badge. For instance, the Thunder Badge has a vermilion octagon in the center.
So quiver counts for double? any other double point words?
In the military, some offices are more lenient than others, and some career fields will probably never be the ones on camera.
Where I was there were the usual office pool on sports. Then there were the others, and almost nothing was off limits, though it was rarely posted on the wall.
Of course, we’d also gotten our brass and zebras to ‘participate for charity’ and raised funds and if the goal was met, they’d have to run their fitness mile and a half in tutus and then get a cream pie in the face. There are plenty of pictures of that floating around the files of the old Det members. :)
The worst part of the antics was breaking in the new brass. Get a new OIC or Lt, and over half the time you have to start all over extracting the stick from their ass. But that might not be as common as I hope, since we were a rather odd lot. No matter what the organization chart officially said, anything dealing with us had to reach the base commander before it would come back to our OIC, and we had a list of special exceptions to the rules on base, and that tended to piss off other groups on whatever base it was. (I don’t feel like mentioning it right now, but it anyone is thinking special forces or the like, that’s way off track. It’s not EOD either, though I did hang out with them a lot at my last base.)
Wait, you were ‘Special’ Forces? Had a bus all to yourselves? Half the length of a regular bus? :P
Those Henchmen, do the work for a villain named Mr. Y?
That would explain their facial tattoos.
Oh, and they could also be known as Y’s Guys!
You spoilt the gag! DaveB is going to have to change the next villain now, that’s six months of planning down the gurgler!!! :P
Aha! That’s where you wrong it’s Professor Peace and they are in the not trademarked weapon Y program
You Cad! you’ve ruined the debut of The Greenpiece! The orientationally-challenged confrontationally-opposed terrorist!
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/01/24/thai-protesters-create-mercedes-logo-instead-of-peace-symbol/
Coming soon to the MCU.
(this also happened in the eighties in an american high school in a *very* affluent neighborhood).
Well, you just introduced me to another comic I’m reading now. Thanks. Only had about 20 of those.
You could always put there neckband icons into the background of the captions. That would give them more variety and distinct indentation.
I must know who the ball sack team is they look awesome. What exactly is the guys bag for….
They are… The Y’s Guys, and that sack is to hold Sydney’s balls
I’m a little worried that Sydney is going to spend a lot of time making sure she’s got a few ways to use “vermillion” into casual conversation. And as a result, will at some point accidentally use “vermillion” in causal conversation and then frantically try figure out how to prevent ArcSWAT from forcefully extracting her from (say) a Doctor Who convention or game night. (Or a symphony!)
The current video game orchestra is Pokemon. I figure she may have some trouble at the thing Harem invited her to – I guess she can refer to the city as “Lt. Surge’s city.”
Oh that had me laughing my head off. Nice call-back. Sydney has a lot of catching up to do though, given Dabbler’s head-start.
Given that “Moo” is the only word that has quotation marks, would they require Maxima to make the air quote symbols? Or is it simply to indicate that a mooing noise is acceptable?
Oh yeah, wonder who will be brave enough to get Maxi to make a mooing sound, and would the points awarded be double (triple if they survive)?
Would it count if they got Maxima to order some moo goo gai pan over the phone?
“More moo goo to go!”
If you recognize this quote, you’re probably old.
I guess ‘moo’ requires a committed mooooooooo
Ganna be very tricky
Maybe Sydney could try fixing the karaoke night?
Sooo.. “foul language and discriminatory epithets” are bad.. but yelling “Jesus Christ” is fine?
double standard much?
Well, according to DCUO, ‘spoon’ is a bad word and censored in game, along with ‘Goddess’ and ‘chosen’
Technically it is neither. “Jesus Christ” is most likely to be said by someone from a Christian culture (note that this includes both secular and religious individuals), so is neither discriminating against Christians, nor any other faction.
Whilst it does fall within the category of “taking the Lord’s name in vain”, and is thereby not acceptable in polite company, the name is not itself foul.
But, yea, if not dancing around with technicalities, you are right. Arianna is definitely practising “do as I say not as I do.” Used in that manner, the term is likely to cause offence to repressed religious individuals.
If you started using “Mohammed” as a curse word, you would get jumped on left right and center.
And possibly death threats.
So apply equal and fair standards to ALL core religious figures. Not just the ones who may end up gifting you a car bomb.
To do otherwise, IS discriminating against Christians.
Your argument is flawed. I already indicated that in polite company (ie in the presence of people who care about such things) use of “Jesus Christ” is not acceptable. The logical extension of my argument is that you do not use “Mohamed” as a profanity in the presence of folks who would find that offensive. Hence no double standard is being maintained.
Do not get confused by my comment about it most likely being people from a Christian culture who will let slip an inappropriate “Jesus”. Which is simply a matter of reflexively falling back on the familiar, in times of stress or injury, as examples. Just as bilingual people will tend to swear in their native tongue. It is a common enough problem that spies have to be carefully conditioned to break such habits.
Similarly my prior comment indicated that it is not discriminatory for someone from a Christian culture to do this. They are breaking their own cultural and religious taboos and will face the repercussions appropriate for that.
I live in a village that is one third Muslim, and which has been so for centuries. I have never heard any of them taking Mohamed’s name in vain. But if they did so, they would face the repercussions appropriate to their culture. Which, knowing the locals, would probably be no more than a frown and a telling off.
Personally I do not see any reason why I would want to use “Mohamed” as a profanity. The only reason would be to insult Muslims, which I do not desire. I certainly would not want to do it for stress or pain relief, as such would be nonsensical.
Should a Brit here start cursing Mohamed, or a Muslim Jesus, I could only see that happening as part of a pattern of incitement to religious hatred.* Which is a crime, and one that I would expect to see prosecuted. Fortunately we all get along fine though, so there is no problem.
* Other than if you have some liberal extremist choosing to “exercise free speech”, for its own sake. Which I find to be idiotic. If you vehemently object to a politician (or a member of the clergy) and feel they are being stupid, I feel it acceptable to call them a knob-head. But there is no moral excuse to insult their religion, in a similar manner.
Difference being, even the most hardcore fundamental Christian isn’t going to blow up a school if someone uses “Jesus Christ on a lice-laden pogo-stick” in a swear or even draw a cartoon (and there have been lots of cartoons of Jesus over the years)
That is because, as I explained, the two things are not comparable. To make them the same you must set up your example such that both faiths are being insulted directly and to an equal degree. The fact that modern, liberal, Christian Western society does not find depictions of Christ to be insulting does not logically extend to negating the insult felt by depictions of Mohamed.
Where the insult to Christianity has been sufficient to provoke a similar degree of anger, I can assure you that similar atrocities can and have been committed in the name of Christ. This has been going on for thousands of years.
The polar solutions to the problem is to either respect each others differences or to wipe out (or convert) those who have a different world view. The Crusades were a policy to implement the latter. They did not work. I favour the former.
Oops, failed to link to where I explained the point. If you search through the thread linked, for my post beginning “Political satire”, you will see it.
Honestly, I was kind of assuming that it was supposed to be part of the joke — that Sydney so flustered Arianna that *she* said something entirely inappropriate. (And, of course, Arianna would *never* have said anything like that anywhere outside a closed-door private meeting with Arc personnel.)
It is indeed.
If I saw Sydney dressed as she is in panel 4 above, I would be suspicious that she was either under duress or was an imposter. Taz is suitably cool, but he is not a super-hero. I am so used to seeing Sydney in super-hero related outfits (when not in uniform, obviously), that anything else seems odd.
Mind you I used to love wearing my Tasmanian Devil tie. He had vivid colouration, standing out all the more for being on a deep black background. Especially prominent being his huge lolloping tongue. I used to love wearing, especially it if anticipating a meeting with stuffy middle-management.
It would tickle me if I got a filthy look. Not that I avoided wearing it when dealing with top management, but they invariably either took it in their stride or even smiled when they saw it. The latter being the most enjoyable. But there is a certain something to seeing a pompous manager having to bite their tongue, whilst you have a tie sticking it’s tongue out at them!
“Ah yes, the old Tasmanian Devil T-Shirt and Oven Mitts Distress Signal trick! Very clever!”
This one you don’t have to be so old t recognize…
*squint*
2 “Quiver”s in Sydney’s bingo. Now, if she’d just filled the entire thing with “Cloaca”…
“Say, did they get rid of that god-awful swirly patterned carpet in the briefing room? Yeah, I’m talking about the puke green and vermilion one.”
…That’s how I’d try and work that duress code in.
There are not that many posts to read that you missed DaveB point out it was an error after two people already brought it up (it was the second post on the first page, and if you didn’t bother reading that page, it was mentioned and answered on this page)
The side panels and the comments section hang up the entire page and tend to take entire minutes to load for some reason. (I’m assuming bad webpage programming.)
Comments on a different page are a bitch to get to with this bad of a load time, and it’s easy to get distracted with other stuff you’re doing while you’re waiting for the damn comments section to even load. (Actually, the link to even OPEN the comments section loads after it figures out how many comments there are, which also takes entire minutes for some reason.)
So excuse me if I simply don’t bother.
I’ve never had that issue with the comments. Might be your connection/browser.
Same here, and still using IE11
Even if you couldn’t load the first page, you had to go past the mention of the double Quiver and the acknowledgment from DaveB on this
Why should we bother reading your posts if you won’t read others’?
I think if someone is having difficulty loading the comments, then it is perfectly reasonable not to waste excessive time doing so. In fact even if someone has a perfect connection, but a busy life, then I have no issue with folks skipping that.
If someone has something interesting to say, I would rather that they felt comfortable contributing it to the community. As opposed to feeling that they must only speak up if they have invested a lot of time in scrutinising the prior comments.
Yes, that does mean we have to put up with duplicate comments, in some instances, but in others the commentator might have raised an unique point. So an easy going attitude will enrich the community. And folks can simply ignore repeated comments.
For those who want to avoid duplicating previous queries though, do not forget that you can use your browser to search for key words (such as “Quiver”). But it is necessary to check on each prior page of comments, for the comic issue in question, as opposed to just the most recent page.
Obviously that would be of no use to anyone experiencing lengthy comment loading delays, so I mention it here for general information only.
They still have to scroll down past the comments to get to the Comment Box
Scrolling is a lot quicker than reading though, and can be accomplished in a moment.
It is worth noting however that the various elements of the screen load separately. So if the comic is glitching, on someone’s screen, then it is possible for the Comment Box to appear without some of the other parts, such as the comic itself or the comments.
I have crates of signs.
And I am not afraid to hand them out.
And the highway department would like to have them back!
They can, after I give them out.
I see where she is storing the bingo sheet. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
What I like is that her captors in panel 4 really know a lot about her. They have her wearing her kryptonite (oven mitts) and have collected all of her orbs of chaos into an aptly named ball sack. Well done Sir! Well done!
Astutely commented. You have missed out her greatest weakness though. They have bullets! But guns would do the villains no good without the other precautions you listed.
A small detail I feel adds to it. It looks to me like those mitts are taped together, around her wrists. Possibly it is just the glove trim, but the unnatural way that Sydney’s hands are pushed together makes me feel that my interpretation is valid.
It is key to stopping her just slipping off the mitts. Mind you Halo does have the option of simply calling the orbs over en masse. But it looks like the guy is strong enough to overcome their pull.
Patreon powers… ACTIVATE!!! In the double size version, you can see that it’s actually handcuffs around the base of the mitts, not tape.
Heh, awesome power indeed. I did wonder if it was ‘cuffs, to be honest. But decided that they looked too wide. That said I am not up to speed on the types of modern handcuffs, so it is not surprising.
What pronunciation does Harem use for her name? because I’ve now heard three different ones. One where the e is long, as a double e, and two with the short e, one with a hard a, the other a soft a. So, how exactly does Harem pronounce her non-daphne name?
You mean her surname?
dee-SHAN-tis or duh-SHAN-tis depending on how fast she says it.