Grrl Power #354 – And I would fly 500 miles…
A music video in case anyone isn’t familiar with Sydney’s tune. The first time I ever heard this song it was actually in an AMV. Not this one though. That was a video from before YouTube existed. This video is cut from an anime called Redline, which I’ve never heard of before. It looks amusing, even if it contains some… questionable physics.
Mach 4 is pretty impressive. America is about 2600 miles across, and mach 4 is about 2700 miles per hour at sea level, meaning Sydney can get anywhere in the contiguous US in about an hour. Well, excluding her needing to stop every ~15 minutes to refresh the air in her shield, but lets assume they do eventually equip her with some sort of air tank or rebreather.
I’ve never said explicitly where the team is located other than somewhere “central-ish.” I lean towards Dallas because that’s where I live, but Denver or Kansas City would make as much sense. The idea being that they’re already halfway to anywhere they need to go in the states, so really Sydney’s only 30-40 minutes away from anywhere USA, and Maxima can get there even faster if need be. Of course most of the team still needs conventional transport, but the centralized location minimizes their travel time as well. The eventual goal being to split the team into different groups as their membership grows and establish at the very least an East and West Coast base.
Being able to cross the US in an hour is pretty incredible, but it makes me think how ridiculous The Flash and Superman are, who, depending on the continuity reboot you’re referencing, can both travel at the speed of light. I don’t keep up with DC comics these days, in fact 95% of my DC knowledge comes from Batman the animated series, Superman TAS and Justice League animated. I assume the current power levels are tamped quite a bit though, cause otherwise it would cause enormous writing problems. Ignoring relativistic problems and city destroying wake – it’s fine, he’s using the “speed force” whatever – there are issues like if someone shot someone on the West Coast, The Flash could run from the East Coast and back 50 times before the bullet left the barrel. How was a guy like Captain Boomerang ever one of his enemies? Boomerangs are WAY SLOWER than bullets.
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has anyone ever noticed the blue visor on the statues head underwater when Sydnye found the ORBs
Wait, there were statues in the water? o_O
Ninja statues?
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/554
I’m having trouble finding the statue. Ninja statue, indeed.
I think wasp is talking about the object that is partially concealed on the left side of the orb. It’s kinda shaped like the top of a helmet, and the white glare on the orb kinda looks like a visor on said helmet.
I think she’s just cutting the bag open that the orbs were in.
Don’t know about the Ninja statue, but somebody needs to contact Pixar because we found Dory.
Any one notice the dark elf in the crowd?
Sure. But it turns out nobody mentioned the elephant in the room!
That dark elf was a white elf in the fourth panel.
Pretty sure that’s coral or sponge.
Ok, wild speculation time. Sydney tops out at Mach 4 and has one greyed out “speed indicator”. So I’m assuming the bar on the left of the flight orb in the skill tree is “speed”. What? An unknown race who measures speed in units that happens to be the same as the speed of sound in earths atmosphere is totally plausible! It’s like how the Dalek measurement of time (rel) is coincidently the same as a second! :-)
Anyway assuming that’s correct then filling that bar would probably unlock the greyed out bar to maybe further increase speed? And as the greyed out bar doesn;t end on a dot but trails off there could be more dots to fill beyond what we’ve seen.
The sad conclusion though? If this is true then Sydney is unlikely to be able to go into space anytime soon. Escape velocity is just under mach 33.
> The sad conclusion though? If this is true then Sydney is unlikely to be able to go into space anytime soon. Escape velocity is just under mach 33.
I don’t know that it’s an issue, actually. Mach 33 is only needed to get into orbit, but you can reach space (100 miles up) without going into orbit, it’s just that real-world vehicles will fall back to the ground if they don’t get up to orbital speed. Sydney can’t maintain orbital speed, but she doesn’t need to. Assuming she had an oxygen supply it seems pretty likely she can just keep flying up until she reaches space, and then she can fly point-to-point across the Earth’s surface.
Depending on how the flight orb works, Syd could be capable of *slowly* reach orbital altitude, then *slowly* reach orbital speed, and then she would stay orbiting by herself.
You’re both mistaking escape velocity for thrust. If I launch something from a catapult that gets it up to escape velocity it will not return to earth. Anything with sufficient thrust to counter gravity plus at least a little will eventually be able to make it to orbit.
Low orbit is about 1240 miles up meaning at Mach 4 Sydney could reach orbit in about 20-25 minutes. With a suit, big air bottles, and lots of nodoze she could fly to the moon in ~80 hours.
This of course assumes that she doesn’t have a different form of flight once she’s clear of atmosphere.
My bad. That time to the moon assumes her flight grants a constant speed. If she can accumulate speed then it will be shorter, but we didn’t get a good idea what her acceleration is yet. Based on the short mental conversation before Mach 1 I’d guess it’s something like 75 miles per second per second. If she could maintain that acceleration ans start decelerating in the middle that means it would take her…about 80 hours assuming I’m using the right formula for acceleration over distance. That doesn’t sound right… :- /
Are you taking into account deceleration required over the second half of the trip (making it a delta V equation I think), or are you assuming she hits the moon at max acceleration and we’re just seeing how fast she can pass it?
Now i want a Sydney/Grrlpower mod for Kerbal Space Program :)
I was thinking the same thing.
That was with deceleration. Not sure if I miscalculated or if it’s another of those lunar coincidences like the moon being just the right distance to completely cover the sun but leave visible corona during a solar eclipse instead of being too small to cover it or big enough to blot it out entirely.
Okay, found my error. It was a scaling issue. At a constant speed of Mach 4 (3044 miles per hour) Syd would take around 80 hours to reach the moon. At a constant 75 miles per second per second acceleration Syd would blast past the moon in 80 SECONDS. If she wanted to decelerate at 75 miles per second per second for a 0x0 rendezvous it would take her ~112 seconds to land on the moon. Once she gets them to issue a space suit for safety Sydney’s got to test this. She could single-handedly revolutionize space travel if it works or at least inspire construction of a lunar base since she might be able to transport a large bubble full of people and materials quickly. Of course that all depends on the orb. It comes down to the question of whether she sweats atmospheric drag or the orb has a built in ceiling.
Even if she can’t leave the atmosphere, she could make a killing with space travel. The most expensive part is the first few miles of the trip – if she could lift a small rocket with a decent payload up to even 10 km, it would be a major savings over a rocket for the same distance, and be well worth a million or two dollars per launch.
You’re assuming that the shield and fly orb wouldnt bypass some aspects of escape velocity, such a GRAVITY. Since the fly orb has its own localized gravity not subject to Earth’s gravity.
Sorry, but while it obviously has control over local gravity, it’s still subject to Earth’s gravity. If it weren’t every time she used it she be traveling west at the local planetary rotation speed (800 to 875 mph for the continental US). Please note this is not an acceleration either, it’s a velocity; bang: instantly exceed Mach 1; hope your force field and inertial dampeners were on and working right.
You’d also get some other wild vectors applied: motion around the sun, solar motion with respect to the galaxy, galactic motion (the latter may not be significant, but the sun and Earth both move at a really good clip).
Ok, my mistake you likely wouldn’t be moving west. The Earth is traveling that direction at 66,000 miles per hour (far faster than planetary rotation). On-the-other-hand, you may not be moving east either; the sun orbits the galaxy at 7.3 times that speed in a direction which I have insufficient astronomy to determine. If the force field and inertial dampeners can stand that level of abuse, you are likely the last living thing on Earth bigger than a microbe (I can’t calculate the force involved, but leaving the atmosphere at those speeds is going to create a shockwave and probably tear away some of the atmospheric envelope in the bargain).
Ummm… “that direction” is east as implied later… And I should have said last living thing from Earth… Etc.
Gonna respond to this one for all three posts :)
She is NOT subject to Earth’s gravity – that’s sort of the point of the fly orb. She’s actively NOT being subject to gravity. IF she turns upside down, her hair is still pointing up. There is no gravitational effect on her … at least not from the EARTH. Not to mention the very fact that she’s flying means she’s not subject to gravity in the first place. Traditional flight usually involves either lift or thrust. Sydney’s method of flight has nothing to do with either lift OR thrust. Thus, she almost certainly does not have to deal with ‘escape velocity’ to go into orbit.
Unless of course it’s telepathically operated and keeps the reference frame for motion that the user is thinking of as the current reference frame.
Which really would be the simpler solution…
Hate to break it to you Wanderer, but just because you nullify local gravity’s effects on something, does NOT mean that you also nullify it’s intrinsic velocity. This is because gravity and inertia are two separate things. Also, “local” gravity would, I believe, be Earth’s gravity, because it has the strongest effect in this situation. Besides, you are assuming that the orbs pay any sort of attention to the laws of physics.
The measurement is likely to be in relation to the medium being traversed, so is variable depending on if in Earth’s air, Earth’s near-surface water or Earth’s oceanic trenches. As examples. Martian or Plutonian atmospheres being others. The full bar might be ‘maximum speed achievable’ or it may be ‘maximum speed which will not endanger others’.
The first division clearly being set at the point where (in air) a sonic boom would be produced, would likely to be re-calibrated to suit the medium, and the other divisions would then be multiples of that up to the top ‘speed’.
Note that the ‘mach number’ is not really a measurement of speed, not like we understand mph or kph anyhow. Because the speed travelled, at a given mach number, is a variable. Both the pressure and temperature affect this. Hence why I think the display is dynamic, changing according to circumstances, and not a ‘speedometer’.
Note that both the speed and the temperature drop dramatically as you go into space.
Halo may simply find more divisions appearing on her display, the higher she gets. It all depends on the purpose of the display really. Sydney has determined it’s function at approximately sea-level atmosphere, but we have yet to see how it behaves under other circumstances.
As to whether Halo could achieve orbit, you are incorrect, she has no fuel supply to constrain her. Ignoring the need for air and other life support (for the purposes of this point anyhow) she could simply keep going indefinitely. Every minute she would be further away from the planet, and eventually she will escape the gravitational field.
It is only space ships which have a finite fuel source, which need to ensure that they achieve a high enough velocity to escape, before their fuel runs out. But there would be no mechanism for Sydney to start falling back towards Earth, at any given point, as the Fly Ball can simply keep propelling her onwards.
Presumably she will even continue to accelerate, at a greater rate, as the Earth’s gravitational field gradually exerts less influence. But, if for some strange reason, her means of propulsion simply gives her a fixed, but low, speed (in astronomical terms), that simply means the journey will take longer.
Sydney will get to her destination eventually. Be it the international space station or the Moon. If she packs sufficient life support, of course.
The only caveat would be if her Fly Ball becomes less effective the weaker the Earth’s gravity becomes. We have no hint that it is dependant on that though, especially as it creates it’s own conditions.
Heh, mostly ninjaed :)
There’s a catch. If the orb have a max speed, it could be not enough to catch up with the orbiting speed (lateral movement) of the object.
She will just have to fly to where it’s going to be then.
Landing might be tricky, though.
With the space station we are talking about a difference of speed in the order of miles per second. Surely tricky.
With the Moon you are right, that can work. If she place herself in the right spot she will be attracted for Moon’s gravity as it approaches and pass by, she would start to fall to it and then is just flight and land same way that in Earth.
Now you see why they equip the Orb Ship with a tentacle. She can just get into the space stations path and lasso it, as it goes by!
*whistles innocently and floats off in the micro gravity*
Interesting thought. Then again, earth and sun are moving objects aswell and it seems that she has no problems keeping up with them. Which basicly leads to the conclusion that her max speed is relativistic to whatever gravity field she is currently in.
So as she approaches the moon, she will more or less automaticly inherit it’s momentum.
Sydney’s flight poses an interesting conundrum for space travel. The space shuttle uses a period of continuous thrust to build up incredible velocity, but we have to ask if Sydney’s flight is a form of thrust or if it produces a field that allows her to travel at a set speed. As it appears not to have exhaust and her hair stays in place upside down I’m inclined to say it’s some form of gravitic propulsion. If she’s alterring her personal gravity it could go either way. This is beyond our scientific understanding since we can’t manipulate gravity.
I’d say you could explain it like she is able to produce millions of little what astrophysicists call “gravity wells” around her.
Basicly, you could imagine that like a ball on a plane. What the orb does is creating a small “dent” in the plane of higher gravity, sucking Syd in. The dent then effectively moves away from her, creating constant motion. As she is currently inside the dent, she (relativistically spoken) does not feel any effect of gravity on her own body. It’s like standing inside the eye of a tornado, where there is practically no movement of air.
The problem with that is that nobody else feels the effects of Sydney’s gravity wells, and if they are large enough to move her they would be large enough to affect people near her.
Of course the balls could just nullify that, but at that point you might as well just call it propulsionless flight and be done with it, since to an outside observer the affect would be the same, (plus or minus some technobabble).
Of course that is assuming that she never figures out how to turn OFF the nullification, because if she does, gravity manipulation (and potentially micro black holes) would be an awesome tool in a super-fight.
This could work if instead of creating gravity wells it simply creates a tear in space, seperating her from gravity completely and moving her by moving her little “patch” of the universe as it pleases. The biggest question is how her localized gravity actually effects her. At times it reorients itself to always point a relative down (keeping her hair in place, for instance) but at other times she takes poses that completely deny any real pull of gravity.
A good example can be found below. Her hair keeps pointing “down” but her posture would be impossible without resting her weight somewhere, assuming she had weight (and it has already been demonstrated that her arm couldn’t support her weight).
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/554
The only explanation I can think of is that the gravity while using Flight is extremely selective, allowing her to keep her hair in place but also rest on nothing.
Couldn’t be. If it were a gravity thing you’d have problems with inertia.
We also haven’t seen her affected by G-s of acceleration. Earlier she hit 400 without even noticing the acceleration and Max just commented that her acceleration was good
Her travel has to be ignoring inertia at the very least.
Ah the old rallying cry.
“@#^& physics, I’m a superhero!”
Well. The main feature of a gravity based drive is the total absence of inertia. Since you are basically falling down into your own local gravity well you are, in your local frame of reference, not being accelerated.
But her own personal gravity is always downward relative to her isn’t it?
That’s why her hair hangs normally her.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/479
If she was in eternal freefall wouldn’t she be Zero-G floaty?
+1
Sydney did not notice the obvious speed indicator existed until just after she started thinking about how fast she could travel; specifically in relation to the speed of sound.
Fly Ball says: “I’m helping!”
This could use underlining.
But all the speed skills (assuming that’s what they are) lead to one of those grayed out places. So maybe that’s space speeds, and she just needs to upgrade other things/reach a higher level first?
Just looking at the skill tree, The blue (flight) orb has a bunch of things left un-selected so I think speed is definitely a possibility, although I wonde what some of the others are.
Maneuverability, passenger capacity, FTL, Infinite Improbability, Time Travel…
Yeah – I think there is one ‘normal’ speed point left, and then there’s something going on afterwards.
If you look at the skill tree, there is a sequence of five dots off of the flight ball, with four already filled in. I’m betting that’s the primary speed tree. Connected to all of those, there’s another sequence of four dots + one double-line dot. If I were designing that skill tree, the main sequence would be in-atmosphere flight speeds, up to some high mach number. The connected sequence would be interplanetary flight, up to 0.4c or something. The double-line dot would be interstellar or FTL transport. (And you’d really want to fill in the connector between shield and flight if you wanted to use the secondary tree.)
We’ve all assumed that the dials indicate speed. They could instead indicate thrust or power output, which would be a slightly different thing. The same thrust in different mediums (eg different air densities due to different altitudes) would produce different speeds. Likewise, the same thrust, with different aerodynamic footprints (eg different shield sizes), would also produce different speeds.
Loving how Sydney is always trying to catch something, anything, with her True Sight orb :D
Makes me wonder if she will handle finding something the same way Wyle E. Coyote did when he finally caught the Roadrunner:
“Okay Sydney, you caught me, now what?”
“Honestly? Have no idea, never truly thought would find anything, or anyone! Wanna go have a meal?”
“After seeing what you eat? Not on my life!!”
Polyps! Forgot to turn off the italics after the first ‘anything’ :(
Yup, keep up those spot checks Sydney. Sooner or later you will find a ninja spaceship pretending to be a cloud. We spotted one, so you should be able to as well!
The first time Sydney used the truesight orb at ARC-SWAT, she spotted both Mr X and Dabbler’s true form. I guess she figures there’s a lot of invisible stuff out there. :)
And, as has been pointed out, in her new line of work she’ll eventually run across most of it.
Looks like Rainbow Dash’s record is still safe.
yep, so far i think the only one to beat that record was the Spaceball One… they went PLAID… not just a plain rainbow…
Ludicrous Speed is quite aptly named
Thought Plaid was beyond Ludicrous? o_O
Not really. After consulting YouTube, I found that Plaid occurred shortly after they reached Ludicrous speed. It is worth noting however, that the ship only listed three speeds on the giant wall-mounted speed tracker. The fastest one was Ludicrous speed.
Plaid is simply the outward appearance of a ship traveling at Ludicrous speed when viewed from a ship traveling at Hyper Speed.
Or at least, that’s how I see it. Could be as you said.
Haven’t commented in a looking time but id thought I would point out the once normal looking but now blue, guy in a brown hat and leather jacket. He’s got grey hair and is in the middle of the crowed.
That’s all :)
Looooong*
Not looking stupid auto correct
Good eye!
It looks like…a blue skinned elf?
Maybe another succubus…has DaveB said there is a range for their skin color in this comic?
nah, one of those guys from El Hazard…
The Phantom Tribe
Good eye indeed.
…
Did anyone on the villain splash page have blue skin?
Yup, or a blue leotard that looked like skin, at a stretch. Long grey white hair though, but hair is easily changed. And that covered up the ears. So a possible contender.
I though about a storyline with Syd and Harem flying to Quebec, but when I did the math the time from Dallas at mach one was incompatible. Now, Kansas City and mach four work just fine.
Thanks DaveB, on the road again :)
It makes me very sad that the girls taking a picture together chose to do duckface.
They should know better.
Your parents are ashamed of you.
But they forgot the septum piercings and didn’t hold the camera in a 45 degrees angle down their cleavage.
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG GIRLS!
Well they are trying to get the 2 Supers in the sky above them in the shot too…
That said…
DUCK SEASON!! *Opens fire…*
Hey, you forgot to color the back of that guy’s head in the hat in the bottom panel. He goes from tan to blue!
It’s probably intentional, as he also gains weird ears. Possibly an easter-egg.
It’s definitely intentional. He turns blue and gets weird ears when sydney uses the truesight orb. Think about it.
I now have a mental image of Sydney in a Darth helmet outfit with plad streamers flying through the sky. Thank you.
Believe you meant a Dark Helmet (the bad guy was called Dark Helmet :P)
He’s blue and has big ears! Drow Ninja!
Just noticed: Sydney looks like one of the Rugrats in the last panel, Phil or Lil
Anyone else notice in panel four that the gent with the brown hat and jacket with white hair. Thats located between the blond taking pictures and the two ladies doing a selfie? went from being Caucasian in four to blueish grey in panel six?
Nope, you are the first >.>
Just a thought for location: Omaha has Offut AFB and the home of the Strategic Air Command. If you’re going for an area of military significance, it was the first target that the Soviets would have hit had the Cold War turned hot because it’s the communication hub of the U.S. military.
That might explain the handy base with firing range just a short air bus ride from Arc HQ.
Yes, Then we can have a story line where Krypton Comics (a real, and very nice, store) and Sydney’s stores are rivals.
Krypton: Dang, we have to top the nefarious Sydney and her brilliant marketing strategy of becoming a superhero. It is the only way to become the best Comic retailer in the greater Omaha Area! muhahaha
sort of some side thoughts :
as to escape velocity, it’s the speed you need to maintain or break an orbit; at mach 4, Sydney can get damn high but she will always come back down.
second I am curious as to why the shield ball has a much higher power through put than the flight ball? shouldn’t all the balls have about equal power?
creating a well nigh indestructible, tunable ‘shield’ over a large area takes a ton of energy (that’s why in star trek the deflector dish is the most powerful system on the ship, by far) as assuming she does in star trek ways, she is converting energy to mass and projecting that mass around her.
that’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the energy required to get to Mach 4.
So where does that put her com ball in terms of power output? I think the idea might be that the orbs each have equal value, not equal wattage.
Escape velocity pertains to a zero thrust situation, where an object is accelerated and then flies ballistically. If Sydney can just continually move upwards in defiance of gravity, as it appears, she’ll have no problem. The flight orb could top out at 1 mph and it’d still work to get her into space.
Sorry, I don’t mean to be a jerk about this and I’m sure that I’m as guilty as anyone else, but perhaps we could glance over what’s already been posted before commenting? I mean, I’ve counted almost thirteen times now that someone has discovered that fellow among the tourists. Don’t believe me?
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-1#comment-381185
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-1#comment-381289
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-1#comment-381298
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-1#comment-381316
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-2#comment-381383
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-2#comment-381390
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-2#comment-381420
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-2#comment-381452
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-2#comment-381547
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-3#comment-381686
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-3#comment-381710
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-3#comment-381720
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856/comment-page-3#comment-381764
Once again, sorry for the rant. It’s just that this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
Complete agreement, some of those are visible to others within the same screen view (so even if they just go to the last page and head straight for the post box they should have still seen a post about it already)
And sorry to add, but there’s another 2 below. I think people have noticed it, just not that others have too…
I get what you mean, but think about it, we would be asking people to read hundreds of comments so we can avoid to read 13 :)
Is it actually so much a problem?
Well, no, it’s not a life or death issue or anything, but if I can do it, then I think anyone can.
:D
:)
In fact must be some that can but choose no to read the comments. But to stress it too much will risk to make the ones that really can’t, to feel afraid of get criticized and the next time they could end avoiding to post something actually original, which would be a lost for everybody.
Also the bigger and lively the comment section, the better the comic looks, I rather don’t lose commenters :)
The point it, at least one was within three posts of another, even if you went straight to the comment box you would still have been able to read the other one
If it is within 3 after it refreshed it probably wasn’t there when the write posted… I admit spotting one just before my own –but it was not there whilst typing/spellchecking. And even then I had to upscroll and check the panels to realize what they meant!
I wonder how many of the “I just noticed” posts are being satirical now, just to get your goat?
No, it was three posts above
Probably most.
When I jump to the end of the page to post, no post remains at sight.
Also hindsight is 20/20 :) why someone would read three post from the end anyway?
Hindsight can see five years into the future? Impressive.
What’s funny is everyone but Sydney probably noticed him immediately, It’ll take her a second, take it from someone with ADHD you miss quite a bit that why it’s good to reread things XD
that’s*
we won’t KNOW if Sydney even saw the change happen or not… remember, she’s looking for that guys SPACESHIP… not HIM… (yes, I’m assuming he’s an alien in disguise for the purposes of this thread) so until she either says something about him to Maxima, or swoops down to get a better look at him… NOBODY else saw him with blue skin and larger ears… or at least they only saw him as HUMAN-looking…
Judging by her delay in outing X, it may be a few comics yet, even if she does notice.
I’m wondering if the little girl spotted him. She appears to have swapped from “Look ma, flying people!” to “Holy crap, an alien elf is right here! And he’s wearing Mr. Touristen’s clothes!!”
(assumes this is one of those tours where you get forced to mingle on the bus and at lunch –based on Grand Canyon like view)
Probably not, as Sydney’s Peek-a-Orb only reveals things to her sight at this time. I am assuming that he was revealed, but she may not have noticed it…yet.
Main problem with pointing this out and being bothered by it is the TLDR phenomenon. There are 600+ comments and basically you are asking people to read all of them before they post to find if someone has already mentioned what they want to talk about.
My guess is most people do what I do, read the first page (sometimes a little less and just scan a bit) and if it isn’t there then I post away.
However people that cant be bothered to even read a little and just post away I can see how that might be annoying.
Personally I feel that the more people who feel the urge to comment on something, especially finding an exiting Easter Egg, the better. Quite a few people do not have the time to read any comments, but I would not want to discourage them from participating in the community. I have gone through a busy period just recently myself, and other people have that as a constant feature in their lives.
Even when I am a heavy commentator, I always like to express my initial thoughts, whilst they are fresh, and without being swayed by other comments. If that happens to be a day after the comic was posted, there is a very high chance that others have already made a similar comment. But so be it.
And, if someone has taken the effort to do the ‘spot the difference’ they deserve the reward of being able to call out their answer, if that is what they wish to do.
Yes, it can get a bit tiresome seeing the same comment repeated. But, look on it another way, the more of such there are, especially for such a subtle feature as the blue skinned guy, the more confirmation is of just how many fans there are out there looking at every small detail on every page. So it is a compliment to DaveB, and the comic, which we should revel in, rather than be frustrated by!
Oh, very well, everyone. I retire defeated.
*With head hanging, trudges off to stand in the corner, muttering to himself about the perils of being so anal.*
Hey, look on the bright side. Not many people noticed how many others pointed it out…?
However, it is possible to spot check without reading every comment. In this case, I used the browser search feature for the word “blue” and immediately came to the conclusion that other people had already noticed the guy.
Personally, once the comment count exceeds 400, I tend not to read all of the comments, especially the looooong ones. I read the first line, if it is a rant, or heavy science jargon, I skip it. Not everyone has the time, or willingness to carefully read every comment.
So did anyone else notice the old guy in the middle suddenly have gray skin and pointy ears when Sydney used that true sight orb?
By my count, you’re number fourteen.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856#comment-381806
no, the true-sight orb only show Sydney the things, nobody else can see… remember when Agent X was revealed, and only Sydney could see him?
Woof woof woof*
* [I can see him! Oh and Timmy has fallen down the well again.]
Bloody Hell Timmy! Look, here’s a rope ladder, climb out yourself this time! What? Fiiiine, I’ll throw it down to you then…….What do you mean I gotta tie 1 end off first…
Well, you should have bought the progress bar upgrade first!
By my calculations Mach 4 is closer to 2965 MPH, so that’s a bit more than 2700
Everyone is talking about speed. Am I the first to notice the uncloaked purple man who looks a bit like dabbler?
Seriously? Do you people not bother to even read the comments? TheStrangeOne is just three posts up from here, how could you not have seen that? o_O
Fifteen.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1856#comment-381806
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Speaking of trolls, I spotted someone in one of the frames with purple skin – I bet he’s a troll.
:P
Hey anyone noticed the guy with the greyi….ackgrblll *gets choked and yelled at by the guy of oddly color*
*Sits back laughing, in Pretender Armour, eating popcorn with “Michael Jackson” disguise on…*
The phrase Maxima is looking for there is “Proper Prior Planning Precludes Piss-Poor Performance.”
and at least it hasn’t devolved to “piss poor planning on YOUR part doesn’t mean an emergency on MY part”… yet…
who knows what’ll happen when Grey-Elf Guy gets revealed…
I prefer “Failure to plan is planning to fail”
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Blocked in the US for copyright issues. Where do you live?
New Zealand, just do a search for “500 Miles” by ‘The Proclaimers’
“Oh, I would walk 500 miles, and I will walk 500 more
to be the man who walked 1,000 miles to fall down at your door…”
My neighbor, who is a podiatrist (foot doctor) asked me to add the following:
“He would definitely fall down, that’s for sure. Walking 500 miles would result in inflamed soles and stress fractures. 500 more would cause permanent disability.”
Also, just fyi, the full title of the song is “I’m Gonna Be (500 Miles)”.
Did the song say how much time he will take to do it? Because it seems that an average person walks over 1.000 miles a year without problems ;)
Other funny “facts” (likely rounded :P)
Actually, the average person walks 275,000 miles over the course of his lifetime. The average person can also walk about 36 miles per day, assuming an average speed of 3 miles per hour for 12 hours per day. So he could cover that distance in about a month… assuming he has appropriate footwear and the terrain is suitable. (The song never says where her house is, either. For all we know, that’s a thousand miles of swampland, in which case he will have trenchfoot LONG before he gets there, or a thousand miles of arctic tundra, which means frostbite is a distinct possibility.)
275.000 miles? Don’t you mean 75.000?
The average American adult walks 5,117 steps or 2.56 miles. Assuming keeping it constant along a 80 years lifetime, it gives: 2.56 * 365 * 80 = 74,752 miles.
“…5,117 steps or 2,56 miles a day.”
Yes, but what is it for the average human?
[Thinks back to real experience with nice lady in America:
Drives to supermarket, walks around it shopping, drives across to the other side of the same road, does some shopping, drives down road to cinema, parking as close to the entrance as possible, afterwards drives to drive-through restaurant. Several miles covered during the day. Not many steps.]
+1 Internet for Yorp. There’s a significant difference between how much the average American walks, and how much the average human walks.
Thankfully, I’m not the average American. I don’t have the patience to block the aisle waiting for a car to back out so I can park one space closer to the entrance. If I have to park at the far end of the parking lot and walk another few meters, then so be it. And whenever possible, I take stairs instead of an elevator.
*sigh*
Expectedly confiable studies are mostly about first world countries, specially USA. There’s not worldwide studies, and there’s no standardization between the local ones.
If we ignore all the differences, the only ones that approaches your number are Amish males with 18,000 steps a day for a grand total of 262.800 along 80 years. The second place is around half that and goes to western Australians with 9,695 steps a day.
As a baseline a person is considered “active” if walks 7,000 or more steps a day.
“… a grand total of 262.800 miles along 80 years.”
One sad bit of trivia, that cinema was one which was in the news recently for a gun attack. That had me contacting my friends, in a rush, to make sure that none of them had been caught up in it. Which, fortunately, none had. Other than in terms of knock-on effects.
Legend has it that the ‘500 miles’ was the distance between Edinburgh, where the Proclaimers grew up, and London, where they were living at the time. Legend evidently isn’t taking a direct route, as it’s only 380-odd miles alongside the M1 motorway. Walking 500 miles will get you from Aberdeen to London, or Edinburgh to Truro (not quite the toe end of Cornwall)
(Hopefully the blockquote tag will work…)
i like this one better… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz6mQHleihw
I’m actually a bit disappointed; I had hoped Sydney’s powers would stay somewhere mid-tier; all of them together is still very very powerful. Now it seems she will end up being more powerful than all the others individually as well, sooner or later. :(
Well, in the beginning she was called “the big guns” so its a fair bet she will be the most powerful.
Yeah, Sydney was established from the get-go as being more powerful than anyone else on the team than Maxima and maybe Dabbler.
She is kinda like Ultra-Boy from the ‘Legion of Super-heroes’, but double, because he could only use one of Superman’s powers at a time whereas Sydney has the option of two (for now… )
Might even be more than double, because some of her powers seem to have alternate uses, or additional secondary uses.
Like…
1) she doesnt only fly – she can fly FAST and also has no vertigo and better balance, as well as her own localized gravity independent of Earth’s gravity.
2) she doesnt only have a force field able to withstand (so far) any physical force, dangerous energy force, teleportation, or magical force – her force field is also unable to be budged (it’s not only invulnerable, it seems to be unmovable). It also might be able to prevent mental intrusion by psionics). Plus the force field can alter in size – what happens if she alters the size while someone is near the smaller force field – will it push away the person, and how much force would it push the person?
3) she doesnt only have an orb capable of giving her telepresence and an illusion of herself elsewhere, it also lets her see through any illusion with the most powerful truesight anyone’s ever heard of
4) she doesnt only have an energy tentacle which can pick up stuff remotely while she’s in the shield, it lets her use what is effectively superhuman strength via the tentacle (lighthook)
All of her orbs have the capacity of not only increasing in power, but giving additional powers. And possibly even combinational powers later on.
Oh, and of course there’s also the use of the orbs THEMSELVES as a defensive and offensive weapon – simultaneously, even while she’s using two of them.
At my last job I had lots of fun doing speed math.
It was for GPS based map software, and around the poles lat/long math gets kinda funny (Map is north up. Center the map on the point five degrees north of me, and I’m at the North Pole. Where is the map centered?)
Setting up a simulation for GPS based maps for crossing the north/south poles to make sure all was well, basically a simulation of traveling at really high speed… I did the math once and figured out that a real aircraft traveling at those speeds over the pole would experience 2G acceleration simply for following the curve of the Earth. that was 2Gs AFTER accounting for 1G downward acceleration from gravity.
Math for traveling at speed is fun :)
… I give up. How can the statements “Center the map on the point five degrees north of me” and “I’m at the North Pole” both be true at the same time?
Magnetic north and true north are not the same thing.
* Map is oriented north up,
* It centers the map such that you are technically off-center (making room for some UI items). It picks a point about twenty or thirty pixels north of you for the map center.
* You arrive at the North Pole.
And right then you encounter a slew of problems for trying to figure out how to position the map. ‘North of me’ ceases to be, just as ‘east and west’ stop being meaningful concepts. You can only face south at that point. So fine, you center the map on a point south of you instead of north. But which point south of you? At 90 degrees north, you can only say that you are facing due south, but you’ve got 360 different degrees of due south and standard lat/long just don’t let you say which way south you are facing.
I get your meaning now: there’s no way to determine which way is ‘up’ for the map. It could keep the same direction as before, pick some random direction, spin wildly…
In practice, there will be a (constantly varying) GPS position error, so my money’s on ‘spin wildly’. Even if you’re standing still, the software will see you as dancing around the north pole.
maybe there is a progress bar, but its just invisible and can be checked with truesight
Or maybe she just needs to look for it.
Maybe it’s a feature on one of the “mystery” orbs.
progress bar…. progress bar… no, we don’t have a progress bar for your orbs, Sydney, however, if you act now…
And if you order today, we’ll give you a Ginsu knife and a smokeless ashtray. NOW how much would you pay?
(Sorry. “Weird Al” flashback. That’s from his song “Mr. Popeil”.)
Of course, when it comes to transportation, Harem’s got them both beat. It would still take Syd an hour to fly New York to L.A., maybe a bit less for Max, but Harem could be there instantly, or in fact be in both cities at once (along with 3 others). Or is there a limit to how far away she can get from herselves? (“herselves” is not a word according to my spellchecker, but in this case it really should be…)
Thing is, Harem needs to either be able to see where she’s transporting (LOS) or else know it very well. So unless she’s already lived in LA and NY she has no “bookmarks” to teleport to. So the first trip will have to be done the old fashioned way. Once one of her is present however, then she has “eyes on the ground” and can teleport in and out as she wishes. Since her brains are quantumly entangled, distance makes no difference to her.
Now a question of my own, which formulating this answer made me think up, if Harem literally got a piggy back ride from Halo, would she still be affected by the G-forces of Sydney’s high speed flight? Or would Sydney’s personal gravity affect her passenger just like it does her clothing? I would think that if it does, Harem would be comparatively weightless in comparison to Sydney as long as the flight orb was in effect.
Mind you live TV or satellite surveillance feed does rather open up her options. Line of sight becomes anywhere networks or spy satellites can image.
Depends slightly on what she needs. Based on her discussion when she ported into the ambulance, she appears to need two things: A good idea of where someplace is, and a good idea of where she can land when she gets there.
TV and satellites can only give her the second, so she’d need something to give her an idea of the first. Of course, this is theory until she can or can’t do something in the comic to prove it.
Not necessarily, the TV commentator can say “this is Paris, not far from the Eiffel Tower”, for example. And Google maps could match the footage to the satellite view, giving her a precise idea of where it is.
The spy satellite just needs to provide her with zoomed out and zoomed in versions of the same shot, so would be even quicker.
Getting the info from a map is not the same as getting the info from your eyes, or your own placement. It’s something you process and then maybe understand, not something you understand and then maybe process.
Let’s put it this way: If I were to pick you up and drop you off in the middle of a random field, could you find yourself on Google Maps without a GPS? That’s the type of ‘where’ I’m talking about above. (Note that Harem would easily be able to teleport more selves to that location or teleport out, even if she didn’t know where she was.) Being able to give coordinates isn’t the same thing.
I was not suggesting coordinates. I was suggesting something where she could easily visualise her destination in comparison to her current location. But more than visualise it, she is seeing it live. She knows that the location is 4,927 miles East, true, but she can also
Of course, it all depends on how DaveB wants her power to work, and how it fits into his story lines. If what I claim is beyond his needs for her power, then your rationale is a perfectly good one.
And Dave can even have a compromise between the two. If Harem has been to Paris, she has first hand experience to know where it is. Unless she lived there for some time, it would not be enough to teleport there blind. But the TV feed should be enough to make the difference.
Then, to use your example, some field in the middle of nowhere would not be well enough established in her mental map, even being able to see, intellectually, where it is in relation to her current position.
As a super-power, it could be argued either way. I am just stating my opinion on what seems most logical from the canon established to date. Although I suspect your version would be the angle Dave might take.
I would argue about ‘logical’ – I think my version is more logical, after all. Basically, ‘sense of self’ location, and knowledge/feeling about what it takes to get from one place to another – not just a general intellectual knowledge of where two locations are in relation to each other. (And I’m reminded of a discussion I once had about types of directions, and which types different people like.)
Actually, from that discussion: You’re arguing that Harem can work based on landmarks, basically. (‘X meters from Y’.) I’m going with my normal vectors. (‘Head in X direction for Y time at Z speed.) Which makes me wonder if it would be possible to tell Harem how to teleport into a place she hasn’t seen – if you just could describe it correctly for her, which no one has ever done. (Or is likely to do.)
A telepath, capable of sending visual images, along with a sense of where ‘here’ is, should be able to do as good a job as one of Harem’s clones.
… but she can also see, on her view from space, precisely where she wants to go, compared to where she is now. Which is what her super power is after.
Dave has said that Harem can “see” where she’s teleporting for a split-second before emerging (when she “Vorped” into the ambulance) to allow her to move enough to not appear with a piece of rebar in her guts.
She can? Interesting. I wonder what the limits of that are.
I still think from what’s been shown she needs to know an area is generally going to be open – she can probably sidestep a piece of rebar someone’s swinging, but I get the feeling that if someone put in a big concrete block she’d just go ‘wait, I can’t teleport there for some reason’. (Or maybe would ‘see’ that the area is full – and wouldn’t be able to adjust beyond aborting the teleport.)
Has anyone noticed that when Sydney grab her true ord there is a character at the bottom panel that turns the color blue you know that guy next to the two girls taking a Picture
I spy with my little eye, someone who turned blue.
Yes, but will Sydney and/or Max notice? o_O
Congratulations! You are late to the party.
There have been 16* people to see it before you.
One of them was right above you!
*by my count.
Congratulations! You are the I-didn’t-the-count one doing that complain. Don’t you care to read the comments? ;P
Can you re type that? I think you got auto-corrected.
Question: Is her Mach 4 rating IAS or TAS? More a question of, does that speed rating Max doled out refer to Sydney’s known top speed at that altitude? Or is this a speed rating that is constant irrespective of air density?
I doubt it will be the former, as the orbs are highly sophisticated and will be able to determine the air density, rather than having to assume Earth sea level. Mind you I do not think it is the latter either, as that assumes it only functions in air. Sydney knew, from the first moment that she had the orbs that they also operate in water, at the very least.
Either way it is not a speed rating (other than by approximation, if assuming a narrow range of operating conditions), as the speed, at any given Mach number, varies with both density and temperature.
It is entirely possible that the indicator will dynamically recalibrate if Sydney enters a medium of significantly different density, such as water. But, if it is static, and an indicator of a fundamental property of the orbs movement capabilities, her underwater speed counter-intuitively be much faster than her airspeed!
Speed of sound in air (dry air at 20 degrees centigrade) is 343 m/s. Speed of sound in water (wet water at 20 degrees centigrade) is 1,482 m/s. Under those circumstances (presumably at approximately sea level pressure) and with the above assumption, Halo’s top air speed would be 1,372 m/s (4,939 kph / 3,069 mph). Whereas her top water speed would come out as 5,928 m/s (21,341 kph / 13,261 mph)!
If wanting to go to an overseas destination, Sydney would be able to get there far quicker under water than by air.
I suspect that the display is more likely to be dynamic, and that Halo’s top speed will actually turn out to be slower in water, but much higher in space.
Kind oif suspect that the results of ANYTHING achieving multi-Mach speeds underwater would be ….. very spectacular. I’m thinking a continuous EXPLOSION of water around the point of contact, that sort of thing. With that going on, navigation might be kind of problematic.
The Shkval (an effing ROCKET-powered torpedo) only gets to 200 knots underwater, and it is still scary – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
The Superkavitierender Unterwasserlaufkörper is slightly faster, going by it’s manufacturer’s claims anyhow, at 400 kph (215 knots). But pretty much the same ball park, so your point is well made.
Plus water shock waves are significantly more dangerous than air ones. Presumably Sydney would need her shield up, at those speeds, and to breathe, so would be displacing a larger volume of water. Possibly significantly larger if taking passengers. I suspect more than a few ocean users would have a very bad day, in her wake.
I’m thinking tsunami/possibly mega-tsunami-level bad days. If she was to move at Mach-4-underwater-version, the water that wasn’t vaporized on impact with her shield would be shoved out of the way by said vaporized water with explosive force, then you’ll have the water return to the now-empty space, causing another shockwave when those come together…
I’ve seen Daniel the Human do a trick in a pool. Putting his hands together like a upside-down cup, he slams them into the water in front of him then drags them towards his in 1 motion. The effect this has is to cause a massive wave of water to explode from where his hands dove under the water, VERY effective in a pool based water battle, beaten only by someone doing a bomby.
I can see her having a very similar effect if she went 4 times the speed sound goes underwater…
That said, I doubt that’ll happen… :P
The shock-wave of a TNT explosion is 6,900 m/s, so that maximum speed of underwater travel is in the same ball park, and actually exceeds various weaker high explosives, such as nitrate based ones.
The good news is that the damage potential from such drops off fast (assuming that her travel shock wave has similar properties to a high explosive one). So she would not pose an ocean-wide threat. But would be akin to a series of mines exploding behind her.
Ships are actually built well enough that they can survive such, if she does not pass right underneath them. Anything organic, close to her wake though, will have ruptured internal organs.
I won’t link to any sources on this, as half of them could be considered ‘material of use to terrorists’.
Underwater Mach 4 travel should be rated as ‘planetary emergency use only’. Unless going on a general rampage of death and destruction.
Oh, and the really bad news, is that is based on near-surface properties. The deeper she goes the worse the damage potential gets. My figures above are just layman’s guesses based on the approximation to TNT. Going deeper you would definitely need to consult mathematicians or physicists. But, if speculating, deep ocean Mach 4 travel, with a large shield, may well make a mega-tsunami.
Or something much worse.
Yeah, I’d imagine deep see Mach-4 in shield could be close to seismic activity level displacement, so I’d be sounding a few tsunami warnings there too…
Agreed. Although it might not be Sydney herself causing the tsunamis, but underwater landslides set off by her activities. There’s a lot of loose sediment down there (especially up north, where there was much grinding of rock by ice sheets during the last ice age).
Anyway, she would likely be banned from doing any of that, due to the effects of loud underwater sounds on sea life (such as whales).
I’m not ashamed to say that I don’t know what IAS or TAS mean. I’m assuming the ‘AS’ stands for ‘air speed’ though.
I didn’t either, but then I get lost pretty easily when it comes to the technical or physics conversations. A little research on that font of all knowledge Google, however, suggests they mean True Air Speed and Indicated Air Speed. Here’s the webpage I found where they talk about what the difference is:
https://www.decodedscience.com/airspeed-of-an-aircraft-indicated-airspeed-ias-and-true-airspeed-tas/5035
Me? I’m still lost . . .
You have the correct terms. Modern aircraft, such as airliners, will have both sets of instrumentation. The Indicated Air Speed is (in aviation terms) a primitive device which lacks the ability to determine the air density.* As such the air speed cannot be genuinely determined, it can only be guessed.
This is because the formula to work out airspeed, from the information provided by that instrument, is complicated, and requires other variables too, namely temperature and air density. However, guessing that it is approximately sea level density is good enough for most purposes, in international flight. When close to the ground anyhow, such as landing and taking off.
The True Air Speed, on the other hand, is a more modern innovation, which requires accurate GPS information. Combining the information from that and the IAS, allows the true air speed to be calculated.
Ironically the former instrument is actually more useful when landing and taking off, so the TAS is only used at higher altitude.
* Not to be confused with air pressure. In casual conversation, the layman may refer to the air pressure synonymously with air density, but in this context it is critically different. The instruments actually do measure the air pressure, but they cannot tell how much of that is down to the density of the air (due to the amount of atmosphere above them) or how much is down to wind
For a dog, you are unusually smart.
*simultaneously blushes and wags tail*
Perhaps he learns all this stuff while chewing people’s homework? *shrug*
I’m here to chew homework and improve the lives of all people. And I am all out of homework!
+1 internet to Yorp for the unnecessary but ALWAYS very welcome ‘They Live’ reference.
Sydney looks really cool in the uniform with the glasses and boonie hat.
I wonder if a RobotMarine would think the same? Or an AquaMarine?
I think I laughed at the AquaMarine more than I should have.
the guy in the fedora has blue skin.
The début single by One Hit Wonder?
There are two others with blue skin that are just not in the picture, and he’s a member of Blue Man Group, for a special show at the Grand Canyon.
obviously :)
Don’t be silly. He is retired and using illusion so that he can go about the remainder of his life without being bothered by crazy fans.
Well according to Angel (as in the Vampire Angel from Buffy) or 1 of his team, 1 of the Blue Man Group is an actual blue Demon, so maybe it’s his day off…
Personally, I love the reaction of the blond kid with the pigtails. It is so very true to life.
Step 1: Notice AWESOME THING!
Step 2: Point at AWESOME THING!
Step 3: Exclaim loudly!
Step 4: Run and tell Mom & Dad about the AWESOME THING!
Yea, that’s so cute! Is it weird that that is my favorite part of this page?
I am making this post solely because we’ve been stuck at 666 posts for the past hour and it’s beginning to weird me out, and I don’t want this webcomic forum to summon forth the prince of darkness.
You’re welcome, everyone.
Thank you.
Can we still summon forth the Mistress Of The Dark, though?
*Teenage girl with horns starts singing about escaping her father while a Street Thug starts singing about shooting Satan in the Face*
The real Mistress! https://youtu.be/-9pIZh1jr-w
We need a real summoning:
Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlej…
*gets distracted*
Ooh. They’re making a sequel. Didn’t see that coming.
It’s showtime!
Ooh, and it has Winona Ryder. Totally necessary and we have seen all too little of her in recent years. I find it a crying shame that such a talent has been confined to smaller appearances than she deserves!
idk if it has been mentioned, but did anyone else notice the guy between selfie chicks and Pony tail turned blue?
Yup, quite a few. I think the word is out that this comic has a lot of hidden detail in it. Some of which is profoundly significant.
Although odds are he is actually innocuous. We already know that the majority of super-powered individuals in this world are not into world domination or beating up muggers and throwing them off roofs.
He could just be a regular citizen enjoying his grand canyon view, and maintaining his anonymity with a simple illusion.
No one else has noticed this. You are clearly the first and only person to have spotted it. :)
The song you mentioned is called “The Distance”, a band named Cake sings it. Great song. They also sing “Short Skirt, Long Jacket.”
Oh HOLY CARP!!!!!!!
I don’t have time to dig though all these comments but take a look at the dude in the brown hat and brown coat in both Tourist scenes!
He Has BLUE SKIN IN THE SECOND ONE!
I think you are most definitely the first and only person who has noticed this, and I join with you in the worship of the holiest of fishes, the holy carp.
Grrl Power is a webcomic about a crazy nerdette who becomes a superhero. Action and humor abound. Mostly humor. Possibly ninjas. And Raptors.
Yes, another believer!
Fine, have a raptor with my compliments. A really big, feathered one!
Making the letters in the second panel reflect the Doppler effect was a nice touch.
Seriously… three pages of these bloody comments?
Commenting here is like spitting in the ocean.
BUT…. I’m glad Sydney finally has something that fits over her eyes.
So Dave, is the guy at the Grand Canyon (Panel #6) really an alien revealed by Sydney’s use of the Comm-Ball, or was he just a graphical glitch? (Or was he, perhaps, a graphical glitch who is now retroactively an alien?)
Dammit, how’d that wind up on this page?