Grrl Power #294 – Sydney’s mighty need
I don’t envy women for having to wear bras (also known as boob jail), or buy them certainly, they can get quite pricey, but getting to take them off at the end of the day, that’s got to be a good feeling. Nearly on par with taking your socks off and slipping them around under the sheets right when you go to bed.
This is actually the last page of book 1. It’s kind of a weird tone with the succubus recharging bit, but really the point of the page was trying to tie back into the flash forward from the first few pages. I will level with you guys, when I started doing the comic five years ago, I really hadn’t thought all the way through to the end of the book. I thought the only good way to do it was to at least partially address the point of contention from the role playing game, namely lasers vs. transparent things. Obviously if Sydney was trying to claim that lasers should go through transparent shields and everyone at the game knew Sydney was a superhero with a shield that blocked lasers (which they did) someone would have pointed that out to her. I maaaaay go back and edit a line in those first few pages to read something like “I didn’t buy that advantage for OmniGal, so KopyKraut* can’t have it either.” so it all ties in better. I don’t think that would change the feel of those early pages.
As far as sticking a succubus sex joke in (really it’s a Sydney gets embarrassed joke) it does bother me a little when people include succubi in stories that never really act a lot like succubi. It’s like writing a story about Vampires that never drink blood. Besides I like the “I’m in the middle of something/something’s in the middle of me” flip, and you guys can have fun speculating on who it is that will be sleeping it off tomorrow cause all his, uh, electrolytes have been drained. Yeah… electrolytes.
In case I don’t say it enough, I really appreciate the support you guys have given me-slash-the comic over the years, and not just financially… though without the success of the Patreon campaign, I’d still be working an 8-5 job and we’d only be halfway though fight right now. Granted I might have edited it down a bit harder but still it’s a depressing thought. I never take it for granted, every day I don’t have to waste an hour and a half being completely unproductive while commuting, or just straight up working at a job that I only care about because it pays the bills I want to jump around and be all “Yeah, take that “the man!”” It’s been quite a journey from thinking “I should make a webcomic” to now, and I’m eager to get to book 2, starting Monday!
*Yay for intercaps!
Sydney does talk like Zim on occasion.
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I think the reasons succubi don’t often act like succubi in media, is that most interpretations have them either fully enslave or kill those they sleep with.
Not that I’ve looked up stuff but from memory, my impression was that, in ancient times at least, a succubus was out to get a man’s, er, electrolytes and whatnot, and then shape-shifts into an incubus and tries to impregnate a woman. And then shape-shifts back…
They use another human’s stuf for that? Interesting
It was a convenient way to explain a lady becoming pregnant, if the local community did not want her condemned for adultery. “I have only ever had sex with my husband”.
Then they have to come up with the explanation for why the baby is the spitting image of the stable boy. Having his hair colour, that is not present in either her or her husband’s family.
“A demon must have come disguised… ” etc
Societies can be rather imaginative when it comes to this situation. Chaka Zulu’s father had been away on campaign for too long for him to have been the father. So, it was put about that a beetle had impregnated the mother. Which is actually the source of his name.
I imagine, rather like being a boy called ‘Sue’, that would have caused Chaka to grow up tough, and willing to use his fists, to stop the teasing and bullying that would follow. Then he found that spears worked even better.
The baby was stolen by fairies, and replaced by one of their own
Thought it was to explain how nuns could get pregnant supposedly surrounded by priests who have taken a vow of chastity
That too. Nuns are “the brides of Christ”, so the scenario still works. But folklore will have many sources, each drawing on earlier examples and becoming more elaborate.
Or, of course, it could be real. :-O
Nuns are the Brides of Christ?
And after all of that religious doctrine against polygamy, no less…
By now, He must have more of a harem than…Well, Harem.
Is that the Catholic interpretation? I always heard it was the Church – as in the body of people comprising it, not the buildings – that was the bride of Christ.
Wikipedia seems to agree with you. Man, what is the point of being the king of Heaven, and not getting any perks? He really aught to re-negotiate his contract.
XD Would you reeeaaalllly consider that many wives a perk? Wives, not concubines, not slaves. Wives. With all that social upkeep.
Mmm, you could be right. That may lead to a lot of aggro.
Still, they do have all of eternity to fill.
Tell you what, offer me immortality, and 365 (pretty) wives, and I will be willing to conduct a social experiment. For Science!
And I will always have leap years, to look forward to, if you are right.
Well they would obviously be very obidient wives.
The sort from ye olde days, when man worked hard and woman cooked him food, and brought him beer, ect
Way back when, Kings could afford the upkeep on so many wives. Christ has been depicted as the King of Kings, so…
Somehow part of the whole multiple wives thing also assumes that the husband has to put in close to zero effort into actually being a husband (in the modern, western, progressive way)
As the great comedian Dave Allen once said about having mulriple wives. “Could you imagine the DIN at breakfast every morning?”
So many wives, so little time…
If you think a monogamous marriage gets ugly in divorce court…
Hey,I did specify pretty in the contract proposal. And women do not get ugly, with the passage of time. They gain character.
Mind you, I do grant that, if the relationship turned acrimonious, any one of them could take me for 1/366th of everything I have!
Even my scooby snax and buried bones!
And then there was The Two Ronnies’ perspective :
“And here is the news. …… The fifty-three wives of Sheikh ________ are all filing for divorce. (Pause) It seems they came home early, and caught him in bed with fifty-three other women.”
There was an Aussie mini-series a number of years ago called “Brides of Christ“
With credit and props to The Boss.
Ahh, someone with great taste in music!
Just remember, there’s no follow-up song.
NONE.
It also gave them another reason why the resultant bastards couldn’t inherit and generally deserved to be treated like crap so any nice thing you did for them they aught to be SUPER grateful for being demon corrupted and all.
From some doctrines, a succubus will extract the victim’s soul at the moment of orgasm & send it to Hell. From that perspective, it seems someone’s in a handbasket to Hell, but he’s enjoying the ride…
Err what most of you are chatting about would be the incubus which is the male version of the succubus which yes was used to explain away many a pregnancy. As for the fairies swapping a kid that was used to get rid of a kid that wasn’t wanted normally an infant since the way you disposed of said fairy is in a river or lake. Succubus were an easy way to explain away wet dreams and both incubus and succubus were used to explain away sleep paralysis which if you have ever experienced can be a very scary thing. In both cases of incubus and succubus they drained away the life essence and the soul of the victim.
The confusion stems from the fact that there are many myths, and some of them are contradictory. In some they are indeed separate entities. But the one RockB describes, in his own eloquent fashion, is a well documented version. As with Dabbler, they are shape-shifters. When in female form, they are referred to as a succubus. But, in the male form, they are known as an incubus.
In either form, they can assume the appearance of someone familiar to the victim, who they would be willing to have sex with. The demon then acting as a conduit between unwitting male and the female, which the demon wants to impregnate.
The rationale behind this being that demons are not living creatures themselves, but personifications of evil. So they have to corrupt mortals and hijack their means of reproduction, for their own ends.
…And some other doctrines would indicate that the demon’s “influence” would also alter the male’s seed by the time it was used to impregnate a female. This also has to do with those children that were deemed as “demon spawn” & inherently evil…So listen up kids, you got it good today. Back then, you had to worry about being executed if you misbehaved…Today, Santa just gives you coal.
I don’t know who that guy is… but from this point onward.. I will both hate and envy him.
Yea that is guaranteed to be one wild night for him. Also a night his ‘partner’ will never be able to match.
Envy, mostly envy.
Well, we know she’s not being debriefed by the General or else she would be a green slave girl. I wonder if she can even feed on Achilles him being invincible and all. I think she wouldn’t want to complicate things at work since she knows they are all “weird” about sex (compared to her) so she probably just picked up some take out on the way home.
My guess is Vehemence. Helps her recover, and makes him less dangerous for the time being. Plus, afterwards, she can interrogate him about just how he knows so much about Demon Lore, before getting to stuff less personal for her and more of higher relevance to Archon, like how his history with Vektor, Opal, Heavenly Sword, and the rest, and any other contacts not revealed…
That doesn’t look like a detainment cell of any kind?
Non-Arcane Detainment cell, you mean? Nope, it doesn’t. However, Dabby may be the best source of ‘detainment’ for the present until further notice (i.e. once everyone has a chance to recover and can focus on what to do with V past letting Dabby play hide the sausage with him to bide everyone time)
Super-Humanity, as part of the Grrl Powerverse, only recently has become more than esoteric paranomal stuff as far as any player in Global Affairs is concerned, meaning ARCHON and all their partners are a well-planned, but still inexperienced, pioneer organization at being Real-Life’s answer to S.H.I.E.L.D /JLA/The Avengers/The Science Police. Simply locking Vehemence up in a (taxpayer money-guzzling) hulk-proof cell to leave him be for the night has too many x-factors to it to be a good idea *just yet.* Remember just how secure high-tech superhuman prisons are in the comic books that came up with the idea…A personal Star-Sapphire-style detainer, at least for overnight, isn’t that much worse, really.
Well, whoever that is, he doesn’t look like he’s got escape in mind…
That would set a VERY bad president dude… if word got out that almost or trying too kill Maxima gets you sex with Dabbler we’ll have nuts coming out of the woodwork to challenge the Arc SWAT.
Such a rumor would also infuriate Maxima to no end and give Dabbler a near endless supply of giggles… so… ya… plausible but not a good idea if you want Maxima to not kill you.
Ofc Dabbler is one of very few supers to have fought Maxima to a standstill so….
Okay the more I try to reason this out the more it looks like exactly something Dabbler would do just to mess with Maxima….
Lol. Loved how the post meandered to a different end.
So wait… I attack this one person, and not only do I get government paid for room, board, and health care, but I get to sleep with a succubus?
And the downside is….?
Honestly? i’d suspect Achilles. depends on how his invulnerability applies to “draining” effects, he could be a near unlimited power source for dabbler.
As i recall there was a certain demonologist at Sydney’s job interview whose response to Dabbler was “in the name of science it would be wrong not to…”
Even if Dave showed us his face here, would you recognize it again in the comic later? By that time, he won’t be wearing his “Big O” expression.
Looking at the wood and stone work, plus the taste in decorations, (the Ark and such), It could be Dues.
anybody else notice the Communicator on Sidneys’ bra?
I sooo did. An UFP com incorporated into the design. Sweet. If there really are enough female trekkies for this kind of merchandise ?
Took me a while to get there though, because the ADHS jumpstart, the science attack and the sleep mumble wrap up almost killed me – I laughed so hard, especially since I already guessed what Dabbler might be busy with.
On the internet, no doubt there is enough market
There’s even a market for those clip-on ST Comm Badges that incorporate a watch battery…There’s a touch-sensitive switch that activates the expected sound effect. I know, because I’ve got one.
;)
My Mom had one and loved it. She watched the Original series when it first came on and got us older kids hooked. Although I’m much more of a TNG and later fan. Shatner kinda gets on my nerves now.
Why would…SHATNER…get on your………….nerves?!
The actor really not his acting. He always came off as a huge blow-hard off the set with an ego to match. And from what I gather he wasn’t very nice to some of the other cast members. George Takai comes to mind.
Off-screen, Tom cruise (for one example out of many) is also an @$$hole…But I still enjoy his movies. I just ignore everything else.
I’m fully aware that the Hollywood sub-culture is just that: A minority sub-culture in this country. They earn their living & steep their lives that focuses on the manufacture & sale of fiction & fantasy…When they stick to that job, they’re okay, but when they start talking about social issues & politics, they got no sense of the real world…That’s when it’s time to just turn around & walk the f*** away from them.
Interesting. When I saw it, I interpreted it as being a clip on prop. As such my thought was “no wonder she is taking that off, it must have been uncomfortable”.
But, zooming in, it does appear to be contoured, so you may well be right that it is integral to the bra.
Quite a contradiction for our shy heroine. Highly embarrassed at the prospect of sex. But willing to buy a piece of chic geek, which can only be shown off by exhibitionism.
Although it could always just be her in-joke to herself. That she can pretend to use a Star Trek communicator. Laughing to herself in knowing that she has that, underneath her shirt.
Thats my bet actually: She did it for herself, and not to flaunt it.
I really like her wrapped up under the comforter. I figure at this point she’s fully unmedicated and refuses to deblanket if at all possible.
Sydney & Linus van Pelt, Dave…Her & Linus both. Never underestimate the feeling of security that a blanket can provide.
She may be having the retroactive heebie-jeebies at the thought that Hex’s lasers COULD have gone through her shield.
As long as this example of Sydney’s “retroactive heebie-jeebies” doesn’t turn into fear vomit in her bed, like it did at the bank, it’ll be okay. To all appearances at this time, however, it seems Sydney’s curiosity is overriding that kind of reaction.
That would be more of a post-adrenalin come down reaction. And she let that down easy, whilst stargazing.
Not to mention the fact that the poor dear had barely introduced herself to dinner, before it was interrupted and vandalised by a bloke jumping through the ceiling!
I just figured she was shy and didn’t want anyone beyond the fourth wall seeing her in a state of dishabille.
That’s actually very similar to some official Star Trek merchandise. So yes, there are. There are, in fact, a TON of female trekkies, 1st and 2nd generation female trekkies even. Also, girl’s often buy underwear we consider cute as confidence boosters, not to show them off to anyone. There’s a HUGE market for cute geeky lingerie that isn’t sexy.
I would buy a bra with that on it…if I didn’t love my custom-fit ones from Decent Exposures. (Seriously, you cannot buy a bra in a store for love nor money that’s a 39H or a 43D with zero underwires and perfectly fitted straps AND comes in a wide range of fantastic colors, AND is built into your swimsuit, of whatever general style you prefer, tankini, one piece, top-and-skirt, whatevs. Been a happy customer of theirs for over 8 years.)
I’m now wondering, if I could get a thin iron-on appliqué…? Good thing I don’t have a red OR gold bra (TOS vs. TNG, covering both colors JUST IN CASE)…but I do have a “Survives Everything! Sciences Aqua Blue” one! (No, you may not see it. I know where the Vulcan nerve pinch nerve is located, AND I am a strong-handed woman.)
HP makes iron on transfer pages. You find the picture you like, print it up on the page, cut and apply to whatever you want.
I’ll have to point my wife at them. She usually waits till some store around here has sales then buys 3 at a time.
Obligatory, “can you show us?”…
Also, snapping a picture of the bra at rest ( that is, not supporting anything) would work :p
back on topic. TOS vs TNG colorscheming is only an issue if you wish to follow “command and strategic” track, or engineering track.
Considering your “blue” it would imply you like the the science track…
(and on the internet, we know what ‘science’ means! *winkwink*)
Firstly, she already said she wouldn’t show it, there is no reason for her to do so anyway, since thinking of a bra in the appropriate colour hardly needs pictoral assistance. Also, she only says she likes the science due to the Redshirts in TOS being the expendable and frequently killed members of away teams, as security. Whereas in TNG that was switched to the gold shirts. Hence being happy she had “Survives everything” blue.
It’s not so much that picturing a bra in that color doesn’t need assistance, it’s that picturing one at those sort of sizes in any style or color other than “ugly black/beige/white thing designed only for support and nothing else” the way they usually are, is the difficult part.
Actually, I’m in Sciences in the Maquis (charity, affiliated with Starfleet) division because I actually do love science. I’m the Xenosociologist for my ship (mainly I think because I travel every year to WorldCon, the World Science Fiction Convention), and get to meet all manner of beings in my travels.
Just don’t fly to Mars please. We have seen, from the historical documentary ‘Total Recall’ that it does not go well for first generation colonists. Well, apart from the possibility of growing an extra breast, or gaining psychic powers. But the former appeared rare, and the latter seemed to have groooose side-effects!
Thanks for the tip, LadyOM. I have been unable to find bras with Adamantium underwires for my S/O, especially in size 42F. Ever been attacked by a giant slingshot with broken underwires sticking out? It’s not pretty. (Well, actually it IS kinda pretty).
Underwires literaly cut into me when I tried wearing them. Bleeding holes in armpits, hell no, never again. I have no urge to ever wear another ever ever again. (That, and recent reduction surgery–despite all the slowly recovering nerve problems post-op–have been blessings upon me.) But yeah, you’re welcome on the tip, been a happy customer for over 8 years. They really will work with you to get a perfect, comfortable custom fit.
Yup, that confirms it. You really do not sound like the kind of gal who would view a third breast as being an advantage. But, even if the concept does appeal, to some guys, it would not be worth risking becoming an irradiated corpse. If you do go, fight for properly radiation-proof domes!
You’re definitely not the only one that noticed it and, given the rather motley range of nerds that enjoy this comic (myself included!), I would expect a lot of us to at least recognize that particular emblem. Hands down, would own at least one of those if they were a thing–that said, I might have to try making one myself (why haven’t I thought of this before?!). Alas!
I just noticed: Could it be a hidden pun for “booty call” ?
…
Dabbler needs to be working on a half-assed video game called “Call of Booty”.
Dabbler wouldn’t do anything involving sex only “half-assed”…Full ass or nothing!
… I was refering to the UFP com on Sydneys bra …
The badge design is circa 2370 (Voyager) with a Command Logo (Starfleet).
i cant tell if the guy is enjoying himself or is in agony
Who says the two are mutually exclusive?
+1
SM: Succubus Masochism ;)
I would guess it is fatique.
If the first thing syndey did was go home for bed, then could this have been the first thing DABBLER did? if so, depending on how long side has been alseep, this poor/lucky/feeling conflicted gentleman could have been under there for hours.
Well he clearly has something extra sapping him, otherwise his hand would be… slightly down, and slighty infront of where it is now
Or she sat up taking what he was cupping out of his reach
He’s not holding on something… delightful… Looks like he’s not even trying… And his fingers… Even though Sario528 has a point, I’d say, there is less pleasure than joy now.
I still dont understand why she/it answered her phone? And i wont accept that she/it is a Multitasker. I realy hate it when i get called, while iam eating… So could it be, that Dabbler just wanted to make the joke of ” I got something in me” with Sydney from the moment she knew, that Syd is the caller. I see a potential for some insider Jokes betwen Syd and Dab
Or she was adding a bit of mental exhibitionism into the mix…
Could it be that… NO… or maybe?
Dabbler feeds of sexual energy… Syd blushes
CAN DABBLER FEED THROUGH A PHONE, so that comment made Syd to some kind of dessert???
No dessert comes after. This was an intercourse snack (see what I did there?)
+1 I lol’d :D
Oh, you…
omg, that is a really good pun! (For those who don’t get it, intercourse = CONVERSATION, as well as the other thing…)
Mainly because it is not a phone. The call came through on the Archon combat communicator. Certain people, like surgeons and heads of state, have to be available at any time, no matter how inconvenient, in case of an emergency. Super heroes fall into that category.
Besides which, she probably gets her kicks from it. It is a form of exhibitionism, and she had a legitimate excuse for indulging in it.
I feel that both of these reasons are indeed plausible… *sage nod a la Math style*
Mm. Quite.
Indeed
but still intently looking at the images, a la Math ;)
Exactly (in reply to Yorp). She has to answer because for all she knows Sydney is being attacked at home and is calling for help. Probably not the first time Dabbler has been interrupted, and probably won’t be the last.
“The call came through on the Archon combat communicator.”
Then you can place a pretty safe bet that the Comm Monitors at Archon HQ heard that conversation…And quite likely recorded it too. Let the consequences fall where they may.
I think the Comm Monitors at Arclight or whatever branch are used to Dabbler getting all kinds of weird calls by this point.
she does not use phone, she got inplant
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1358
She’s on a super-team. You have to keep it ready 24-7
“And i wont accept that she/it is a Multitasker.”
She’d have to be a multitasker…For a succubus, there’s no such thing as coitus interruptus…
He he. Is it possible to get any redder? Without the aid of the super-hot Unmaker.
I think it actually amplified Sydney’s embarrassment to realize (so suddenly) that she was also disrobing (albeit under the blankets) when Dabbler explained what was going on (or in)…
Love Dabbler’s unicorn book-end. Nice symbology, for a succubus.
Dabbler is older than she looks. On the shelf below the unicorn I think she has a little ‘thank you’ gift from an evening spent with one Dr. Henry Jones Jr.
He is known to like his women dangerous, so it does fit.
If that’s the real thing, then modern day scholars have seriously overestimated the length of a “cubit.”
Then again, many ancient Heroes of Legend have been portrayed as being “larger than life,” so…
And the green thing is from Henry Jones III
This thing? Or did you have something else in mind?
Thats not a Unicorn. ;)
Well, if that is not a horn on it’s forehead, it is a very weird place to grow a penis.
But still fitting symbology. :-P
I wouldn’t be very surprised if that was an anime or manga unicorn there…
Dave, you might want to try what A Girl and Her Fed did, which is to put the updated page(s) on, but leave the originals “underneath” and accessible.
I foresee some future embarrassment or chewing outs if Sydney and the team don’t learn where the “off button” is on their communicators, or even the “send to voice mail” option is.
Yeah I’d like to do something like that if the change is something other than fixing typos.
Dabbler note turning off her communicator during a recharge
-most of the cast blushing
– Both Harem and Math needing some serious “i’ll be in my bunk” time
– Max becoming enraged, if only because the length of her fuse is inversely parallel to the number of things that can light it
Considering the nature of the two previous items on that list, the one about Max has amusingly-inappropriate connotations if one assumes similar context.
Lovely sentiments, you expressed in your comments DaveB. Thank you very much for sharing this all with us.
Looking forward to Book 2. And hoping that Book 1 will be in the shops before Christmas. It will be the only item, on my list to Santa, if it is.
+1
And for some reason, I am reminded of O.B. Juan’s Halo before Christmas when you say that.
I would expect Santa would bring it, Yorp…After all, you’ve been a good boy.
Who’s a good by? Yes you is.
:)
*wags tail enthusiastically*
My only problem is, that if I spend Christmas with my parents, that their place is heated by gas, and they do not have a chimney!
*curls up by petchka, and looks at it’s small chimney, worriedly*
You shouldn’t worry too much about it. It took several decades for more modern home-heating methods to circulate through a population. No doubt that Santa has alternative methods available.
Guessing by the size of that… hand, that Dabbles is using Wart to ‘recharge’
You should make more t-shirts. I still love my “Always. Expect. Ninjas.” shirt. Though it’s looking a bit worn now
where ?
DaveB, you have customers, looking for your GrrlPower fashion range, yet you have lost your link to the products!
May I suggest a nice shiny “Shop” icon is in order? Up by the “About” and “Cast” buttons, preferably. Rather than hidden away, out of sight, at the bottom of the page (and inside a different link, at that).
I second the “where?”. Fortunately, I have it bookmarked.
Well, you could always buy more shirts. I’m sure Dave would appreciate that. Also, you could have a spare to wear when your current shirt wears out. You might even keep an “emergency backup” framed & hanging on the wall.
:D
I can’t stop laughing…
It worries me that Dabbler is in a dungeon like cave theme place – or is it actually even the real deal ?
The victim like twitch of tonights partner worries me even more.
Does she run a sell your soul nightly visit summon service, do the venus fly trap, or simply prey on the nightly prawler ?
Could be her own place, decorated to her tastes.
Coould be her current partner’s place (one of them, anyhow), decorated to HIS tastes.
The “dungeon-y” look could even be a holographic projection – Dabbler’s idea of ‘Mood Lighting’. With all the other high-tech and magicky goodies she has, this would be of no surprise.
Wasn’t Zephan Zoeng thinking about studying Dabbler more intimately? It looks like it could be his room.
Zeph wasn’t the only one thinking about that. ;)
There’s one guy doing some “in-depth study” right now…
This is my thought, as well.
With the dungeon-y look and the artifacts adorning the shelves, my guess is that this is Zeph’s room and Dabbler is just indulging his… curiosity.
And now for something completely nit-picky.
The candles are on the shelf ABOVE the bookcase, but the shadows of the objects on the shelf are coming from a light source BELOW the objects. Perhaps Dabbler’s ‘headlights’ actually perform that function when she is aroused.
So, what’s the green thingy next to the unicorn bookend?
The top shelf is a play on words. Next to the unicorn is ‘Unicron’ a moon sized Transformer who has a round Deathstar shaped battle form.
Yay, finally we have an explanation. Nicely done.
Also, besides the fantastic nod to ST on the bra…I LOVE the subtlety of the second foot behind the first, toeing off the sneaker. VERY well drawn! I could tell within a second exactly what was going on. *applauds* (Of course, I remove my shoes in a similar way, lol.)
My thought is how does she take off her bra without removing her shirt while still holding her phone? I have seen a woman remove a bra from under a shirt before, but she needed both hands free to do it.
You really only need one hand and flexibility enough to reach both your shoulders.
I’d say all you need is to be able to unhook your bra with one hand and then have the phone switching hands.The long sleeves make it harder though..
Yeah, nah, I do it all the time. It’s really not as difficult as you think, especially when you’re really practiced.
Great line, and a great way to end the comic.
BTW, Syd is a real cutie with her glasses off and hair down.
Nice one!
Her glasses are off? Displaced a bit in the first panel, maybe, but I see them as still on her face.
Sydney just keeps getting hotter. Love the Star Trek bra.
I’ve done the “wake up fully alert with a completed thought bursting from my mouth” thing. Stupid brain never knows when to go to sleep, and stay there. Problem is, going back to sleep is probably not an option for Sydney, unless she has some good drugs to help her.
Actually this IS your brain going to sleep.
When you sleep, your brain processes everything you did during the day, and stores it all neatly in long term memory. (or throws it away if it’s irrelavent) Your brain is infact very active while you sleep.
So when it reaches the Hex laser/shield thingy, something ticks over concluding that there is something wrong, and BOOM, the rest of the body jerks awake because the brain demands an awnser NOW
Well it sucks when it happens. Just saying.
Wait! Is that innuendo?…No…no it isn’t.
Depends on which end he went into ;)
It’s inherfronto. :)
he he
Was about to comment, then saw this. I humbly bow to the master.
Evidently, that’s a guy that doesn’t mind f***ing up or getting f***ed over…
I guess since its updating twice a week now, book 2 will only take 2.5 years.
Dave just might be able to fit all of Day 2 in it…
;)
I think bras can be somewhat comfortable, alot hangs on you got the correct size and boob size.
Hope Sydney remember to take off her glasses since falling asleep in those is quite uncomfortable, happens once and when I woke up I had something that resembled a bruise on the side of my nose :s.
Yea, I have done that too. And had a bent pair of glasses, to boot.
Love your avatar name by the way. It conjures up a host of mental images. Most of them complimentary, because of me having had pet chameleons, as a kid. But a few of them sad.
Me thinks the avatar name might be a Fallout reference – but only because I’m playing a lot of Fallout3 and New Vegas lately. If so, then I tip my hat, because it’s a decent subtle reference – much like Yorp might I add.
You are correct Begalund. It is a Fallout reference, Fallout 2 is one of my favourite games of all time. Iguanas are also cute so double bonus.
:-( That sounds like a sad environment for an iguana to be in.
Well the Geckos mutate into giant versions and some can breath fire who scares everyone so they are pretty good. Still cute also…just big and…nasty.
Ooh, that sounds exciting, for them.
*wags tail*
actually some Iguanas grew up to 30 feet tall with extremely long claws and bigger teeth.
Ok I was wrong, those were chameleons
Aww, you did grow up to be big boys. Come to daddy, here is a nice meaty snack. I missed you. Here, come show me your party trick!
“…a lot hangs on you…”
That was…
I mean…
That should’ve been an intended pun.
Pun not intented :D
For me, personally, a bra is quite comfortable. Part of that is because my bras actually fit. And part of that is that my (properly fitted) bra helps distribute the weight better which means I have less back/neck pain.
I do get that for the less endowed it may just be more of a social rule than an actual helpful item.
I know you can get very comfortable bras, I’m assuming after a day of wearing one though, no matter how well fitted, it would leave pressure marks on the shoulders and around the torso. It’s got to feel good to scratch at those before flopping into bed.
If you have a poorly-fitted bra with teeny spaghetti straps or the wrong cup size, then yes. But a really good bra from a store that knows what they’re doing, with someone who can fit it properly? Completely different matter. It doesn’t bind around the chest, it has wider, padded shoulder straps that don’t bite into you, and the cups actually help instead of annoy. Not that superheroines have to worry about that, because they have Required Secondary Powers to go with their Most Common Superpower.
Actually a bra should not need have padded or extra wide straps becuse if they tear into your shoulders you wear it wrong. Max 10-15% of the weight shall be on the straps becuse they are mostly there for keeping the cups in place.
Alot of women got the wrong size on their bra, most common is too small cubs with too big size.
But you are right Dave about it can feel good take them off at night since they have to be snug around the torso but then i often get annoyed over that they get a life of their own instead.
Sorry for bra rambling I’m a underwear fanatic.
Ramble away. If there is one thing we tolerate here it is rambling. And underwear. Ok, I guess that is two things So, rambling, underwear and… come to think about it, we are also quite interested in things that go under underwear…
Let me start again…
<3 Sydney's ADHD brain that processes things even as she's sleeping–or at least drifting down to a deeper sleep. Makes for an even better oh-my-gosh moment.
All brains actually process all new memories during your sleep. That’s (probably) why you get tired if you take in alot of mental stimuli, and (probably) why you dream.
It’s also (probably) why you start to get memory loss if you don’t get enough sleep.
I say probably, because science doesn’t actually know why we sleep. It just knows that sleep is when your brain is really active storing everything that happened into long term memory
It is also a great time to get some repairs done on the rest of the system too, like building muscles after a big work-out or fighting the war against invading bacteria.
A sleeping brain can also run through “virtual training scenarios” during your dreams. I saw a documentary where they had a guy play one of those full-body interactive skiing games; the kind where you stand on a platform & have to use your whole body to guide yourself down the projected slope.
He’d never been skiing or played that kind of game before, but they had him play a few times before going to sleep…With the instructions that he should be trying to think about the game as he was dozing off. Sure enough, comparing his “performance scores” before sleeping & after sleeping, there was a significant increase in his game performance. He literally dreamed an increased in his skills!
It’s reasonably postulated that this kind of dreaming acts as a sort of “survival mechanism,” in that our brains have “hardwired” this ability during long-term evolution in our most remote ancestors.
So next time somebody tells you to stop dreaming & get with reality, you can tell them that dreamers are better equipped for survival than they are.
;)
I’ve noticed that if I do something I’ve not done before, and then sleep on it, I’ll see a notable improvement in my ability the next day so I’m not surprised to see there’s some decent evidence that the brain continues to work on stuff while one sleeps.
There was as study done a few years back where the more vivid the activity the more vivid your dream were that night this was primarily with new activities as well so yeah she would replay the whole fight at some level through her head while she sleeps.
The guy that did the study had climb up a short mountain something he had never done before and then had a dream about that during the same night. The way they tested it was with an old coin-op video game that people hadn’t played or seen before.
Sounds about right, I used to play a lot of platform-er style video games right before bed and then pick up where I left off on a weekend morn. Good way to blaze through hard/annoying parts of a game.
Dave. Might also say, the reflection effect off Sydney’s comm is a very nice detail.
FOR SCIENCE!
And the epic need to c-block!
That is the funniest thing I’ve seen in quite awhile.
It’s a little ironic that, for Dabbler to “recharge,” she has to drain someone else.
But it’s a good kind of exhaustion…
:D
Might make for certain difficulties with “the morning after”.
I’m thinking that simply sneaking out and away like nothing happened is NOT an option for her partners. More likely they have to be carried out on stretchers.
Unlike some stories about succubi, it’s strongly implied that Dabbler’s “victims” don’t wind up dead, so I’d be willing to bet she’s got a huge…stable…of repeat customers under her belt.
Wasn’t suggesting they ended up dead. Simply ….. drained. ;)
It seemed obvious to me from the beginning that the shield limits the *amount* of energy passing through rather than the wavelength. Thus, the amount of light associated with normal illumination and vision pass through just fine, but a light intense enough to be harmful is blocked. The dim light, like the slow knife, penetrates the shield.
Like an automatic welding mask.
It could, perhaps, maybe even amplify dim light :)
Except that Sydney’s shield does stop a slow knife
I think it stops all physical objects. Including air, apparently. I guess it’s pointless to have a shield that people can walk through.
I’m guessing it dims light if it’s too bright, and it probably does something similar with heat.
The Knife bit is from Dune. The shield technology they had in that setting was based on kinetic energy thresholds, so slow moving stuff wouldn’t get blocked (like air or trying to grab things) but fast moving stuff (like bullets or fast knife-swipes) would get stopped. So fighting, for that reason, became an elegant dance of slow, precise movements with things like knives and swords.
According to the books, air was blocked, the air molecules were moving too fast. So fighting was also limited in time.
Yea, a shield reflecting/repelling everything would also knock you over every time you touch anything
You know, those horns could be very useful handles. I’m just sayin’.
Hell Yeah!!!
That thought has passed through my mind many times.
I had just assumed that Hex’s “lasers” were some sort of particle beam, rather than actual lasers…
Likewise, because the beams were a) glowing down their entire length and b) left yellow glowy lines on everything, including the shield. This indicates the particles in the beam were getting left on whatever was getting hit.
photons?
i have heard that light can act very differently depending on situation.
i believe in one of the first 10 pages, someone used a photon blaster of some sort.
Page 1, in fact.
But, a photon does not produce illumination perpendicular to its line of travel – or, in simpler terms, a photon beam would not glow. (Since, this would require a photon the be producing more photons as it went)
(Okay, yes – I know that if you treat light as a wave and apply the Huygens–Fresnel principle it is modelled as propagating a new wave in every direction of an intensity that is a function of the difference in directions of travel, but even that doesn’t make a light beam glow)
Errr, no. All it would require is for some of the photons to be deflected. The implication of using the term ‘beam’ being that there are many, travelling along a common path. Although the terminus point is brightest, where it is hitting the target object, we can still make out the beam of a laser pointer, due to particulate matter in the air.
That was my guess too. After all, Hex was using the same orbs for beam projection, thrusters, and shields. The thrusters at least would call for the emission of some sort of mass and the shields could be explained by matter held in a matrix so it makes sense that the beams were also matter based.
I’m probably the only one who sislikes dabbler because of her sexual nature. Anyone else?
*dislikes
She’s a succubus, so it’s kinda expected.
She does make me feel … uncomfortable … at times, but if you imagine this comic without her you`ll notice her missing painfully; this character driven story just needs someone sassy to be whole.
Also, while she is extremely open and blunt, you can’t deny she has both class and style.
Besides … humans ARE a rather sex driven species. Denying it would mean to deny ourselves. I got quite a few friends who got psychological problems because they felt dirty when trying to fit into what society considers the acceptable norm – which is rather prude and does not match reality at all.
Considering that, I am rather glad to have a character in this story who … losens things up a bit, even if she does make me blush an awful lot.
Aside from amoebas & other single-celled life forms, those that <aren't sexual don’t last very long…
Pretty much more contribution to the Darwins…
Not I. I can sympathise with the feeling though. Simply because we are used to things being divided into porn and not-porn. Which is not how life really works, despite the way society tries to partition it.
The genre has evolved with a weird dualism. On one paw you have the censorship of the silver age comics. Where nothing explicit could be shown. Yet, on the other paw, you have women being shown in a highly exploitative fashion. Shown in skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses.
It can be viewed as a social battle between our prudish and sexual sides. Both have their place in society, but they also have problems. Modesty and discretion can avoid embarrassment, which is good. But, taken to an extreme, it can also lead to children growing up with no idea about sex and sexuality. Which leads to teenage pregnancies and other social problems.
Whereas demeaning females, by portraying them as mere sexual objects, causes its own share of issues.
Caught in the middle of this is that the human form is beautiful and deserving of recognition and portrayal as such. Likewise the fact that, although we have many literary and film examples of the sexual exploits of males (James Bond being an ideal example, albeit handled fairly tastefully), society has shied away from a similar female perspective. Yet women have their sexual desires and needs too.
Why should they not be portrayed?
DaveB confronts this social demon head on, by portraying it in literal demonic form. Just as the Hulk is the personification of rage and strength, in super-human form, so Dabbler is as regards sex and sexuality. And Harem represents a less extreme version of the same. Along with other characters, allowing Dave a spectrum of characters to explore such issues, in a sensitive, or funny, way. As he may choose.
Does it make me personally feel uncomfortable? No, not in the least. It is long overdue in society.
Society is obsessed with sex, either too much or too little for something that is just another necessity of human beings and completely natural.
People impart values to simple actions or display simple actions in an exaggerated fashion (for good or bad).
I my view, DaveB has a very healthy approach to sexuality.
Dabbler is a strong willed intelligent female, she happens to have an extremely sexual nature but that is not what defines her entirely.
Which is what’s really great about Dabbler as a character. As a succubus, she by definition should be the most purely sexual being in the comic. And she (probably) is. But at the same time, she’s a serious strong and important character in quite a few other regards. A tech whiz. A friend. A fighter. Take out the sex and she’s still strong enough as a character to have a place in this comic.
A few stereotypes are shattered.
(In fact, most of the characters are still bundles of superpowers with a face painted on them. Not really characters yet. Dabbler is one of the exceptions to that.)
True, to an extent, but (as you clearly do understand, from the ‘yet’) still worth mentioning, is the fact that it is simply a consequence of having barely introduced the members of a vast cast list. It looks like the principle protagonists, other than Sydney herself, will be Maxima, Dabbler, Harem and (possibly) Anvil. Simply because, other than one-shot cutaways, or visualised flashbacks, we have only ever seen the comic with at least one of those characters present.
As such, they are the ones who we have gained the most insight into, and, in the future, will be seeing more of in-depth. Plus the characters they interact with the most. The others will feature only as and when they do so. Therefore, some will doubtless remain sketchy. But that is simply a realistic feature of a large organisation.
But, despite that, we have various visual clues, hints as to group dynamics and some inter-personnel relationships, plus other encouraging signs, that they are all thought-out in advance. DaveB is merely introducing us, to all of them, at the measured pace his style of storytelling demands.
I actually think Dabbler is great partly BECAUSE of her sexual nature, and not simply because she’s a succubus, or that I act like a perv. :P She’s quirky, smart, and carefree, and her flaunting herself only adds to that character. Plus, for all the things Dave says about making a succubus, even a partial one, actually BE a succubus, most if not all her antics end up being played for jokes.
Also have to say, Dabbler looks particularly good in panel 7. She’s usually cute in her normal form. Here, she’s hot.
I think my favorite shot of her is the mini comic joke shot where she’s peering through Sydney’s glasses with owl eyes making what i like to refer to as hissy face. It’s just a great shot of her.
On the nature of succubi, she’s a demon who feeds on sexual energy. If you want a demon who doesn’t feed on sexual energy go watch Fox News. I’m pretty sure at least one person on that channel feeds on vehemic energy, or maybe just pure bullsh*t. I’m frankly surprised whoever it is hasn’t built up enough energy to take over the planet by now, but maybe they too just enjoy feeding.
Modern American society is based on puritanical values. That’s partly because they made up a large and vocal portion of the early colonists and partially because the squeeky wheel gets the grease and as society has slowly eased up on restrictions depicting sexuality the government keeps getting calls from little old ladies who object to that on their tv. Frankly i prefer it that way. From jokes to the act itself, that touch of the taboo makes everything funnier and more titillating which generally makes it more fun.
And THAT, is why I love Dabbler so much. :-D
Are Succubi a part of the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids?
No, they are independent and just do it for fun.
:D :D
But I don’t think anyone else got the ref.
But people must know! About fluridation and loss of essence!
How long was this fight?
I would guess three minutes for the most of the bad guys, many of them where one-shotted. Two minutes for Death Toll and five for Vehemence.
Still, Dabbler had to burn some energy.
Have you ever tried to fight nonstop for 10 minutes?
It is REALLY exhausting.
Basicly fighting is burst sport. Compare it to sprinting at your absolute top speed. Something you normally only do in short bursts, spread out by simple jogging.
Now imagine sprinting for 10 minutes
Actually it is not a burst sport, nor a sport at all. What burns up the energy is the adrenalin pumping into the body at high speed. The fear and danger cause that. This means your body and mind are pushed to work at peak for as long as the adrenalin lasts. All things have some sort of matching survival surge built in to them. After the adrenalin wears off you find a lot of your energy has burned off. The longer the event lasts the tireder you can get. Fights lasting 10 hours do happen and the combatants just get exhausted but keep pushing them selves anyway. If the choice is be tired and keep going, or die, I know which choice people make. The wearing off is often called the fog of battle as the fight goes on. So even a short fight can burn up a lot of energy.
As someone who actually has done some fighting with Judo, I can tell you that no, it’s not just adrenalin.
I’m not throwing out random examples that I heard somewhere. I’m talking from experience
The fog of battle is literally the haze of dust and smoke covering a battle field preventing you from seeing what’s going on. Don’t know where you got your definition from but it’s wrong. The wearing off of adrenaline and drop in energy is known as being exhausted. If you run hot and long enough you actually end up shaking and unable to do much for a while because your body burned off all the sugar in your bloodstream faster than it could replenish although a power bar can help with this. To my knowledge there is no specific name other than medical terminology for that condition.
Previously, my understanding of the term matched yours. However Zachariah‘s post, including it’s conclusion, had a very strong ring of authenticity, when I first read it. Enough that I felt happy to accept it on it’s face value.
Seeing your post though, I re-examined his, and felt that it still retained merit. The term ‘fog of war’ simply being the inability to make out what the enemy is up to. And I felt that both atmospheric conditions (gun-smoke, dust, rain) and physiological problems, such as he cited, would fall within that.
So I turned to the ultimate arbiter, Wikipedia. Which agreed, albeit in broad terms. Not specifically citing Zachariah‘s contention, but it would clearly fall within the range of categories they include.
I was more referring to her magic energy, so she had to reload the batteries. Physically she just stumbled around with her fancy sword before she electrified Keyhole Girl. And some rope jumping later on.
I think only Hiro, Math and Anvil were really involved into intense close combat. And as trained professionals, that shouldn’t exhaust them.
Most fights are over within 30 seconds. A pair of professionals might have a longer bout, but around 50% will be sizing each other up and moving into position rather than full-on combat.
(And although I’m not replying to RobK, I will mention that my nidan grading involved 10 2-minute fights in a row, with the only breaks being the ‘formalities’ and swapping for a fresh opponent between rounds – much easier than the traditional kyokoshin 100-man knockdown though! )
“Vampires that never drink blood”
you never heard of count duckula? he drinks carrot juice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Duckula
Don’t forget Count Homogenized :D
He only drinks milk (if the dairy owners would let him :P )
Pritty sure Count von Count doesn’t drink blood either
What about the Count from Sesame Street? Does he drink anything at all?
The count from Sesame Street is Count von Count. That’s his name. And he has one, one name. Ah, ah, ah.
A quote “He stole that counting bit from me, blah.”
If you can guess what it’s from you win a cookie. :-)
https://youtu.be/B-Wd-Q3F8KM
Had to be linked.
I hope he washes his mouth out after that! :-O
Okay. I get how he could do the spiders and the candles. How the h*ll do you f*ck a cobweb?
Ok, I feel like a participant of QI, in asking this. But, what the heck, somebody has got to do the Alan Davies role.
How do you f*ck a Crimson?
In the first Fright Night Movie, the vampire Dandrige drank blood as normal vampires do, but he also eats apples…Not for any kind of nourishment, but because the juices helpd keep his teeth clean.
Y’all forgot the black ribboners in the Discworld series.
There just might be a trope in all of this.
you forgot Count de Monet from the history of the world pt 1
As for sparkly vampires, there is only one way they should be treated.
For the last time there are NO sparkly vampires. They are blood drinking fey who get off on seeing how much bull the humans will swallow.
Bunnicula!
I’m thinking it’s Vehemence under her. I mean, she was impressed when his pants ripped and then the “middle of her” comment… And they still gotta keep his power drained while he’s in custody right? I mean, not like the higher ups allowed her probably, but don’t think Dabbler would care much about that in the long run. Kinda added bonus if it’s irk Maxima a little right?
Ah. That would explain the cramped looking hand signaling for halp :)
It would make a lot of sense as long as she’s not too aggressive :D
I was also wondering why we see Dabbler in her undisguised form – the one she’s draining must know her in this form already, but I cannot imagine one of the Archon guys in that position…
Not sure if that leaves questions to answer anyway.
Do victims of Succubi remember the ordeal?
They really hope they do.
There seem to be different ideas of succubi. But those I think of are shape-shifters, so yes: Shape-shifting supports seduction, so they prefer a consent getting-together…
And even though we only know Dabbler in female form (so far), which does not fit my ideabut heavily using glamours as disguises, I’d say, generally yes, but with her level of power, she would not have a problem to make a victim forget…
Actually, was thinking it may have been Fedorka as well, but seriously doubt Maxi would let him out just to ‘recharge’ Dabbles’ ‘batteries’
But I have little doubt that Dabbler has the capability to teleport, both magically & technologically. No one would have to let Vehemence out for this…
But the environment – a wooden arch, candles… It doesn’t look like a high-security cell to me. So whoever it is, he is most likely out.
No, no. Dabbler just said he was in.
*shakes head*
I think it would be feasible for dabbler to have ‘ported into whatever cell V was placed, then ‘ported them both out to some secure place of Dabbler’s choosing, then let him in to another place of Dabbler’s choosing.
It couldn’t be Vehemence. Besides the fact that they wouldn’t let him out for a reward like this, that left arm is normal, and Vehemence’s left arm is metal now.
No it isn’t. I think Dave talked about the scales falling off when he lost consciousness but didn’t actually put it in the comic since it didn’t add much.
Thought of the hour. If Dabbler has a masked figure in blue who keeps an eye on her (in comic), then is he keeping an eye on her right now.
Or does he know exactly where she is without use of eyes…
I must have one of those bras.
Anyone else noticed Sydney’s balls are still asleep?
Astute observation. Mind you, it does follow previous behaviour. Sydney has shown that she needs to poke them, to wake them up.
Considering what’s going on elsewhere, that’s one hell of an image, G
Yeah, took me a second or two to recover from the O_o
Oh man, that’s gonna lead to some hilarious reviles later on.
“Halo, wake your Balls up, we got a job to do!”
Or even worse…”Halo, we got a job to do. Grab your balls.”
Sydney, that is Voluptuous Woman coming, this is no time for your balls to be asleep, on the job!
No worse than after a fight out in the rain. “Sydney, head for the bathroom. Your balls are dripping all over the place.”
That was the intent :D
Maybe kinda sorta. Having no experience with welding, I didn’t realize those were a thing. They sound pretty cool. I was thinking more like those traffic-controlled freeway entrance ramps that only allow cars onto the freeway at a manageable rate. Basically, for any given point on the shield, only a certain number of photons at a given energy level can pass, and any excess photons are reflected/dissipated/shunted into hammerspace/absorbed.
Errr that doesn’t look entirely consensual…
Heh. I think interpretation of the slightly contorted hand, and other sparse clues, are very much down to individual experiences and expectations. There really is not much to base it on, beyond what we choose to bring to the images.
But yours is an interesting take on it.
Agreed. Not entirely. Not anymore… maybe it was when it started…
Which is rape.
Only if it is taken literally, rather than in the tongue-in-cheek style it was offered in.
Doing that it can be read as ‘insensible through euphoria’, which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Provided it was naturally induced, rather than through some artificial means such as drugging or mind control.
Taking the former, it is not rape. Taking the latter, it is.
Although it does lend to interesting thoughts. Where is the dividing line between pheromones (inducing similar claimed effects from perfumes and/or other ‘aphrodisiac’ sources) and the clearly illegal date-rape drugs (such as Rohypnol)?
Is a love potion rape? Should Eros/Cupid be charged with incitement to rape?
Dabbler’s lust aura does complicate things a lot.
Who could that be “under her/in the middle of her”?
Zephan Zeong considered to “study her more”, back when she appeared in the ball room (https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/607) We see this lucky bastard has books.
Not sure dabbler would actually do it, however. While she would propably have no issues, she knows that humans she works with could propably not handle her recharging as casually as she does. Plus he is kinda needed awake and well for tomorrow.
Some have mentioned Vehemence or some other they captured she has to “keep drained”. Plus Dabbler was kinda interested.
It could be X. After all he was around her a long time, always being affected by her Aura thingy.
But she could just have grabbed some guy out of a bar and is going to rework details of this night afterwards.
No no. X is watching her from the corner.
Besides which that is clearly a male hand, and far too chunky, to match hers. ;-)
I suspect Dabbler has X’s location pinpointed to the centimeter right now…
his dimensions as well?
I went back & took a look at the page during the press conference, when Sydney used the PPO on that tank…Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t her cheeks out-glowing the PPO orb at this point?
O.o
Some people are suggesting the guy is asking for help, but I think that’s just a coital spasm.
Is that the lid of the Arc of the Covenant? Is Dabbler a nerd? (I can’t tell what the rusted-copper-coloured thing is on th shelf and it’s annoying me… Flying Spaghetti Monster? Medusa’s head facing the other way?)
It’s more like a jewelry box of the covenant. Too small to be an ark.
Yeah yeah, I meant a reproduction, I though I made it clear by the “nerd” comment. If it were the real thing I’d be really worried!
Well there is the old “The Arc was a radio” theory, where aliens gave Moses the specifications for the Arc so they could communicate with him from orbit…that may be the aliens’ “other end” of that pair of walkie talkies?