Grrl Power #284 – Dogpile tactics
That guy is a tool but I kind of like him. He’s a guy who’s supremely confident in himself for no good reason. He’d probably either really get along with or mutually annoy Achilles.
I changed Maxima’s line in the flashback panel, originally she said “sewer line” but I didn’t want people to think Sydney’s plan was to drown Vehemence in sewage, so I’ll go back and change Maxima’s original line. Speaking of Sydney’s plan, her idea for Anvil’s contribution was mostly to create a crater for the water to flow into, and to hit close enough to him to loosen his grip on the ground. She didn’t know how his anchor worked, but she guessed it had to have something to hold onto as opposed to being a gravity thing or “unflight” or whatever. She thought creating the crater might snap a water line, what she didn’t count on was Maxima’s punch fucking up the whole parking lot. In this case it worked better because the area damaged increased the chance that something important broke under the ground. Originally I was going to put a fire hydrant over on the curb in the panels where we see the water leaking out, and Sydney guessed there was a line running between it and the restaurant. But that curb has been in a lot of panels and I’d have to add it to a ton of pages. Also a quick visit to google street view shows that fire hydrants aren’t usually located quite that close to parking spots, at least in the layout I based the steakhouse in the comic on, it would be on the far side of the hedges, so I don’t know how important it is to include that.
It looks like it’s just about over for Vehemence. We’ll see if he has any tricks left.
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So, maybe I’m missing it, but at what point did Anvil go airborne in order to create the Anvil-bomb crater? Last I saw her she was under the influence of hypno-boobs too…
She just jumped. Moderate super strength will get you that high.
Actually they recently did a study on Usain Bolt’s running and found that he didnt move his legs faster than other people but rather struck the ground harder. So I would imagine that people with supernatural amounts of strength would be able to run at increased speeds as well.
I’ve always imagined super strength giving the people who use it a sort of bounding stride that carries a lot of weight and force with it. It has the added bonus of really looking like it could go through a wall.
That would depend on how they move their legs: they could do the Hulk bounding leaps, or increased speed
Of course, running fast based on strength is going to have all sorts of physics consequences. You’d rip the hell out of the ground and your shoes, and forget stopping quickly–try it, and unless you’re practically sliding like a baseball player, you’ll end up somersaulting forward like Sydney at a Hugh Jackman autograph signing.
Only by comic book physics (which admittedly, is exactly what this comic uses) where the hulk can jump miles though.
She’d need superspeed in addition to superstrength to jump over 5m vertically using newton’s laws of motion.
Considering that the world record for a high jump (at 2.45 m or 8 ft 01⁄4 in) was accomplished by someone with normal-human strength, I think 12′ to 15′ by Anvil (according to the view-point perspective shown in the comic) is not beyond being believable.
I’m guessing that this was the next step on Sydney’s email to-do list
– Block Aggro
– Negate Lightning
– Max punch plus lighthook grab
From today’s author notes:
– unstick him from ground by removing ground
– group-hug him in place and hope there is either a water main break or a sudden rainstorm
Monday:
– Profit!
If it hadn’t burst on it’s own, Halo would have looked for a hydrant or standpipe to bust. There should be a couple nearby. And it’s a surprise they are still intact.
Underwater group-hug.
And then Sydney’s real plan is revealed as she whips out her camera phone and snaps a bunch of picks of all the “guys” in a wet cheesecake contest.
Everyone is gonna be soaked. Dabbler might have some serious competition in a moment.
Everyone but Sydney .
You never know. She may forget she’s hip deep when she finally drops the shield. Go A Team!
That sort of would be a good way to defeat Vehemence in the future if he gets too powerful. He sticks his feet to the ground? Blast the ground, then fly him up into orbit before he powers up more, and leave him there to asphyxiate or explode or freeze or whatever happens in outer space. I know I saw it on the science channel but I wasnt paying attention.
It would be asphyxiate there. Limited energy and little matter means you get to enjoy feeling the saliva in your mouth boil as all of the air is purged from your body leaving you a few minutes or so to slowly lose consciousness and drift around as a warm body
So group-hugs ARE the counter to vehemic energy! :D
Jokes aside, what is important now is how exactly the vehemic power-up stuff work? I assume there would be less than 100% effectiveness, so he could absorb only a fraction of the violence that is directed against him. If not, the he is only getting stronger. But if so, then it should be possile (if hard) to drain him. I guess that is Sydney’s plan. Incapacitating him for a moment is something, but what’s next?
Can’t wait till Monday.
So.. you missed the other panel where she leaped? Remember the “check your target” followed by a palm upward to his chin from her, the aerial kick to him by Maxima sending him downward to Anvil leaping up into the air
Now I have the mental image of them taping Jiggawatt to his arm.
This is one case where duct tape would be less practical than electrician’s tape…
duct tape. the only thing i can think of named after the one thing you’re not supposed to use it for.
Which is why the argument that it is “duck” tape based on it’s original backing color is still a valid idea. Beats me which is true, if either.
I’m pretty sure it’s called duct tape because it is porous. It has teensy little ducts, which ironically is the reason you can’t use it on ducts– it doesn’t make airtight seals because it allows air to flow through it.
Hahaha, fuck, I was thinking cloth tape. Duct tape melts, is the problem. Though I looked it up and apparently they make a heat-resistant variant that IS made for use on HVAC ducts.
Still not totally sure how it got the name, except that it was originally made with duck cloth and was actually called duck tape.
Actual sealing tape for ducts is made with aluminum backing and an adhesive that won’t give up when heated or chilled.
Actually, duct tape was originally called duck tape, because it was originally made from a fabric called ‘duck cloth’ as the backing (duck cloth is a type of plain woven cotton fabric which is very tightly woven to give it incredibly durability but makes it easy to rip by hand while difficult to pull apart.
It wasnt called duct tape until the 1950s, because it was used primarily to wrap air ducts (and so that the company that used it didn’t get sued for using the name Duck Tape (which was used by 3M).
Except that 3M uses the term duct tape, Duck Tape brand is a separate brand.
Yes, taping ducks to your genitals is wrong! That is what you were alluding to, I assume? Err, wasn’t it? Oh, you meant something else ahh… I will just be over here investigating this interesting looking snack in my bowl.
It really smarts when you have to yank the tape off… allegedly. So folks have said… somewhere… not to me, err that is just general knowledge.
I would just take it as a point of informed common sense that pulling an adhesive tape from some area of your skin that wasn’t recently shaved would probably be painful. I also think that only a masochist would get a body-wax job done, when shaving is sufficient & far less painful. I see no need to personally test that theory by experimenting.
Ever seen the movie Swashbuckler? Peter Boyle plays the bad guy Governor. In one scene he is having his back hairs waxed for removal. The barber rips off the whole waxed back at once. And Boyle barely flinches. V is a wussy in comparison.
How do you know V is a wuss when it comes to body-waxing? The only hair we’ve seen on him is his eyebrows…
You’re right. I take it back. V is merely crazier than a bag of weasels on speed.
Not buying it. Do it and then we talk.
Hey, you’re the one asking for actual proof. You do it.
:D
Still don’t buy it, do it. :P
I wish DaveB had kept the sewer line intact.
There is very little that tops drowning in sewage as a truly awful way to die.
And I am sure some of you could come up with a idea or three as the most awful and disgusting way to die.
ENJOY!
truth be told the water line is more likely. Water is under pressure where sewer lines are not. Also Sewer lines are deeper than water mains and lines. I have had to dug both up. *shudder* Sewer lines are nasty even out side. not that a sup could not reach deep enough but that would take most liquid away in less the hole was deeper than the bottom of the sewer line.
Drowning in sewage and surviving… followed by a year of disgusting pus filled lungs suffering from sepsis. and lets not even get into CPR
Ain’t no one going to use mouth-to-mouth on THAT victim…
Drowning in hot sauce.
Drowning in sidneys personal hot sauce
war crime in peace time hauge convention breach terrorist action and torture all at once
So wait? I did get it right? Really?
let me see:
Use someone’s powerset to dig hole – check
keep V from moving around inside hole – check
basically wait until V runs out of juice – check
include something like water and/or mud and/or lava – check
Okay granted, I hadn’t seen the whole team dogpile, nor the Maxima throat punch, nor the throat lasso, but essentially it was the right strategy. Damn. Whaddayaknow. And on page 266 even.
I am going to put in my (miniscule) vote for no ambiguous endings for V. Whatever happens to V should be clear to the readers and not then retconned as an illusion, memory alteration, etc. I have seen authors take down polarizing characters in ambiguous manners so that they can try to pander to all parties involved (the dislikers can believe he’s dead; the fans can believe he’s alive) and that never sits well with me whether I like the character or not. Let him clearly escape, let him clearly die, let them capture him and figure out adequate containment, etc. as long as the end is clear.
I trust Dave to keep that bargain. If Vehemence makes a later appearance, it will be part of what happens here. A breakout or recovery followed by a trail of destruction aimed right at ArcSWAT and Max.
If V is captured. thei first prison riot will set him free unless they have a way to cut off vehemic? energy.
Solitary confinement on a peaceful deserted island…or a cage at a monastery.
Unless the cage at a monestary can contain his aura, he can just make the monks fight.
It’s implied heavily that he needs to be “ramped up” to use the aggro aura. Sydney mentioned it and
not really, it’s kind of implied that the way he got all the supers to show up and attack sydney and friends was using his agro aura on them to make them think aggressively while pitching the idea to them.
When was that implied? He said that he arranged for them to all come, but I don’t remember any implication that he used his aggression powers to do it. Just common manipulativeness.
Yep, he called a bunch of doofuses up and said “Hey, lets pound on the supercops for pay!”
It has been shown, however, that it is possible to resist the vehemic urges, at least partially and temporarily.
But as a legal defense, did any of the other villains have any awareness that Vehemence could manipulate them that way? Sydney was aware & had already set her determination to resist it, but was still right on the edge of using the PPO regardless. It’s a lot harder to resist something if you’re not aware of it.
If Sydney didn’t know he has the aura, she might not have been able to resist.
Well they probably do isolation. all alone in a cell underground far away from civilization
Alone in a cell, yep. Isolation. Yep. Can’t be too far away or you lose contain and control. Just make it air tight, under 24 hr human supervision, and if he starts powering up pump the cell full of some type of sleeping gas. As is being proven, even Big V has to breath and when he goes nighty-night, no more power up.
If you are implying that ‘normals’ would be immune to his control, does that mean Ari and Suzie are Supers?
I assume he means the MK1 eyeball can’t be hacked by a guy on the other side of the planet. (and his power would be damn near useless on guards sealed by themselves with a timelock on their separate stations)
Neither can cameras that aren’t hooked to the internet at all. Use the cameras to watch him from a safe distance so you don’t lose the guards to aggro aura and don’t power V up if Guard A finds out that Guard B is stealing his lunch.
that was why the guards would be in separate sealed offices with timelocks (And outside the known Aura range) No sense using that much power to effect two guys who can’t even reach each other.
He is saying Humans, because Humans have less chance blowing something up.
I believe that idea is part of the Evil Overlord’s list. If you can’t find a body, don’t assume he is dead under the theory ‘no one could have possibly survived that!’
And even if you find a body, wait until the genetic analysis confirms it. Then the odds of being wrong are reduced… somewhat.
My sales figures on acephalic clones suggests differently. Holiday sales were way up. Just sit it in the corner with a drink in hand at family gatherings and nobody notices anything. Other uses are limited only by the customer’s imagination. Which would keep me awake at night if I wasn’t a sociopath.
KA-BLAM!
I don’t think you need to change Maxima’s original line. Her ADD memory could just have gotten cross-wired with a Batman episode about sewers. Her memory doesn’t need to be flawless for the logic to still work.
Agreed, and even if she remembered sewage line, its clear that’s a water line. Sewage ruptures are very defiantly sewage. They also aren’t normally under high pressure like water mains.
“…its clear that’s a water line.”
Yep, that “liquid” is very clearly colored with blues & whites. A sewage line break would look more like a very thin beef-based gravy.
…Er, anybody want these mashed potatoes? I just lost my appetite.
MMM potatoes.
Just a thought, but if simply cratering the ground is the objective, wouldn’t either Hiro (Flight to boost impact) or Stalwart (Mass-shifting really heavy mid-jump) make more sense than Anvil (Kinetic Absorber)?
it was Sidney’s plan. it is not surprising that she thought of the female sups first. Plus the guys are probably still hypnoed. (not a word i know)
Does it matter? Sydney just needed someone with enough strength to make the crater, and Anvil has enough super strength to do the deed. Yes, Hiro and Stalwart could’ve done the job; it simply means that Sydney has more than one person to go to, nothing more.
Possibly, possibly not. Someone like Hiro might be able to get a bit more impact speed, but would effectively be coming in as a brick before piling on as himself. Anvil still hits like a brick, but has the benefit of charging up herself from the impact – two effects for the price of one. Of course, there’s nothing to rule out a combination, having Hiro dive-bomb Anvil into the ground to get both benefits. She’s only partially in that aerial shot, the frame could well be cutting off a dive-bombing flyer.
actually, having Anvil be the first in the dogpile makes a lot of sense, even if Vehemence’s struggling powers himself up he’ll also power up Anvil, and with Anvil as the first on the pile, the force of the others piling on powers her up further.
Honestly I thought that Hiro and Stalwart would have been repeatedly punching Anvil for the past few seconds so that she’d be ready to do something like this. Also, Stalwart did get involved; that’s his foot on Vehemence’s face there (you can tell by the torn pant-suit thing, and that it makes a lot of sense).
“I’m space shuttling your head!”
Hey it’s blue hair guy! He was super funny before he got one shotted!
Best as I can tell, that’s Max’s boot on V’s face. The bare foot… probably Stalwart? There’s a lot of barefooted big people in this fight.
Shoes and boots usually tend to not survive the sheer amount of friction generated when a brick’s unstoppable punch hits an immovable face.
I actually think it might be Jaberwocky’s boot on his face. We saw Boilerplate helping as well.
And I went back and looked, yeah Max’s boots. Jaberwocky had buckle straps not studded ones.
I think Max has her stats weighted heavily into flight and is aiming them straight down.
See what I did? ‘weighted heavily’? *(crickets chirping)*
Could be stalwart, or Amourphus. We see him jumping in the panel before it
Looks like Stalwart to me. The tear on the pant leg plus the fact I don’t recall Amorphous going barefoot anywhere is why I’m going with the well-dressed space shuttle.
Last time we saw him, he was barefoot
stop writing so well, you’re overshadowing the other webcomics.
That CANNOT be a bad thing.
Then they better pick up their game.
Fair play in competition…Provide higher quality & you attract more patrons/customers. It’s the way of the world.
;)
Wow….. Three steps ahead is right
Looks like Vehemence has more than three steps on him right now…
Dave, you forgot the who’s who for the blue haired guy…
He was never given a name
No name, no who’s who
His name is “Nose Boop Guy”. :D
I dont think the name crew did their duty with the glasses on this guy. Perhaps we can suggest to Dave some ideas for him to discard … My vote is for ‘Frill Neck Lizard’ … nah … on googling, I think he is a ‘Fiordland crested penguin” – so howabout ‘Fiordland Crested Strongman’
Link thing – https://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/fiordland-crested-penguin
Yes! Simply because there is not enough kiwi representation in comics (Kiwi Blitz doesn’t count :P)
Is a Kiwi Blitz like a Bum Rush? =P
No, it’s the name of another web comic about a German girl who pilots a neon green Kiwi mech
sorry, I had the image of a hoard of Kiwi birds running down the street like in Barcelona
Somehow, I wouldn’t think of that as being nearly as dangerous as running down the street with bulls…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls
You clearly have never seen an angry kiwi bird :P
I’d figure 100k kiwi birds running over you would be somewhat painful.
He was knocked out before ArcLight got setup to name people
When the blue haired guy has the ! over his head, I can hear the ! sound from Metal Gear Solid going off in my head…
Ding! The right button has been pushed!
Where is the blood that got on Sydney’s shirt?
Heh heh. Sydney’s lucky that the first villain to wake up is the blood knight moron who was first to attack the restaurant. ^^ The smarter villains woken up by the aggro aura would ignore that trick — or are probably gone already.
No, check panel 5, at least one other villain is joining in on the dogpiling
Yes – the one who Maxima dislocated the arm of (and I believe broke his arm as well)…. maybe he has super healing.
When they lock V up, they’re going to have to build a cell in a zen monastery in the mountains, but I don’t think Sydney has had time to think that one up yet.
Scratch what I just said, “atypical” is used as the A in “Arc”, my suggestion would have “atypical” used twice in “ArcSWAT” which would be redundant. Ignore me, I am not here.
. . . . That was supposed to be a reply to another comment, again, please ignore this.
No.
I’m sorry, it’s too late. Ignoring the post is not an option.
We ignore your request to ignore! =P
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And we WILL be looking forward to seeing that request on the second Thursday from now. The lack of ignoring it will be met with dogged persistence.
Dave, there is some piece of fridge logic, that i was thinking about for some time:
During the press conference Sydney showed her orbs and made an advertisement of her shop with molestorb. Thing is, camera should not be able to see orbs. Is tentacle tech-invisible too? Will that be retconned/lampshaded/handwaved?
The only two restrictions we have seen so far is that
1) Only Sydney and not her projection can see any ‘true sight’ revealed images.
2) The skill tree is not visible to cameras. But the design is not lost since Xuriel said she memorized the layout with her eidetic memory and wrote down a copy for Sydney.
More she memorized it and plans to reproduce it later for Sydney and Archon to reference. She unlikely has had time to jot it down between the press conference and dinner.
When Sydney bugged her for a copy after the press conference I can guess her response was something like “Hey, give me a chance here, I’ve only got four hands!”
How is that even relevant for what i am talking about? Dabbler told us quite clear, that there are no emissions to detect. This includes reflected light. And that means, that they cannot be captured on camera.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/621
Reads more like she can’t pinpoint the source of the light, otherwise Dabbler would have plenty to say about it being invisible in one eye.
In addition, it’s her scanning ‘device’ that can’t read anything about the orbs. Nothing here says anything about actually seeing with her cybernetic eye or the cameras beyond the skill tree being invisible to cameras.
Dabbler was examining an orb, not the tentacle, when she said that. So the logic need not follow from one to the other. It may do, it may not. Further, if Dabbler could not see the advertisement, with her cybernetic eye, she is smart enough to realise that others were reacting to something she could not see.
Besides which she would have been able to see it with her organic eye, and may have likely noticed the discrepancy between the incoming images. Had such happened, I see no reason why she would keep it secret. Therefore, my personal take, based on the lack of Dabbler commenting, is that she could see it the same as everyone else.
“…no emissions to detect. This includes reflected light.”
I don’t think that phrase means what you think it means. An object can reflect light without being an emitter of light. You can see a light bulb even when it’s turned off, can’t you? You can also see objects that don’t even have the capability of emitting light, can’t you?
Technically speaking, you cannot reflect light without emitting it. In light emission, the photons don’t actually reflect. Instead, they are absorbed and then new photons are emitted using the energy gained from absorbing the original photons.
According to physics, we see the color of an object by the specific wavelength that reflects from it…All of the other wavelengths are absorbed. For example, the color we see as black is absorbing all wavelengths of the visible spectrum & white reflects those wavelengths…Any other color we see is just somewhere within those two extremes.
So that would be a “no” to saying that objects can’t reflect light without also creating actual emissions of light.
Not really. Photons cannot just pass through, or reflect from objects without interaction. They are absorbed and then emitted. Glass is see-through because electrons in the glass absorb photons, but cannot use wavelengths of visible light to get excited to the next energy level, and emitting photons of same absorbed wavelength further into the glass. Same thing with colors – materials reflect light by emitting absorbed photons with unusable wavelengths.
First, allow me to clarify something: I’m a cosmologist (theoretical physicist + astronomer). Not a cosmetologist (makeup artist + hairdresser).
According to Junior Highschool / Middle School physics. However, when you get to the college level, they spend the whole first year unteaching all the century old nonsense they teach in public schools so they can then teach you the much more current information.
As SilverPriest described, the actual action of reflection is absorption then re-emission of photons. What in public school they teach is absorbed is photons that are absorbed and not reemitted. Reflection is absorbtion then re-emission.
Transparent objects also absorb and re-emit as the light passes through.
Hmm… cosmologist + cosmetologist = hairdresser to the stars?
So reflection without emission is impossible… Photons don’t just bounce. They’re not tennis balls bouncing around a zero gravity gymnasium. Short of gravitational lenses, the only thing that can change the trajectory of a photon is being absorbed, then re-emitted. That’s how eye glasses work. The glass absorbs the light, then re-emits it in a slightly different direction, and this happens until the light finishes passing through the lens. For this reason, light that passes through a lens is slightly more delayed than what can be explained by the change in direction alone.
Using the fact that reflection and refraction are both caused by photons being absorbed by the material, then re-emitted, materials have been devised that have strange properties when it comes to light. Such as glow in the dark frisbies that absorb light and slowly emit it over time. It’s hardly more than a reflection with a rediculously slow time period for re-emitting the photons compared to most materials.
Other materials have been devised that can drastically slow the refraction of light, so it ends up being like a lens into the past. Last time I checked, the record was like 10 seconds. To simplify it, basically it’s a lens where anything you see on the other side of it is basically whatever you would have seen 10 seconds earlier. It’s really quite neat.
There’s also been materials designed that absorb and can release the absorbed light on command, like a switch… with the switch flipped in one direction, it asborbs and stores. Flip it in the other direction and it releases.
The thing is, the physics they teach you in the public K-12 schools is outdate, but it’s sufficient to give you a general idea of how things work. It is unfortunately very outdated and causes people without a secondary education in physics to think they are qualified to argue or debate, and it’s really quite sad.
I’m not blaming you, I’m not even upset. I’m just disappointed that the K-12 system fails on so many levels and that it contributes so much to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
I see your “
“, and raise you a wormhole.
Not only can I get it to come out wherever I want it, and on whatever trajectory I feel like, but I can also have it come out before it goes in! See that flashing in the corner of your eye? I sent that several decades in the future, once I finish building my portable wormhole creation device and shone a torch into it.
In the interests of science, could you, or your heirs, please let us know if you experience any side effects, such as artificially induced epilepsy, brain cancer or zombieism.
Also, in case it wasn’t clear- my comment below is addressing Tokumei, not Yorp. Tokumei needs to quit killing catgirls; Yorp obviously only chases them for the lolsies.
I see your reference to Dunning-Kruger and raise you a “you have no idea what the FUCK you’re talking about in reference to K12 education.” Please have the decency to couch your complaints in regards to something that you actually know something about in the future.
The failure is not the educational system- although there are, indeed, many failings in the system- the problem is in the individual. K12 education, college education, university education, private education… none of them seem to be able to remove the basic human tendency to assume that because you know a lot about one subject, you must know a great deal about every subject. Personally, I attribute it to the tendency for humans to be douchebags.
No, I was using the Dunning-Kruger Effect in a clinical fashion… K-12 for instance teaches students that electrons have predictable orbits, and that they orbit the nucleus of the atom in a set, circular, evenly spaced path. This is absolutely untrue, and when anybody confidently asserts that it is true, and argues about it, they are exhibiting a textbook case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
While it is true that the Dunning-Kruger Effect is often used as an accusation of someone not knowing what they’re talking about, that is now how I’m using it. I am using it in its full context.
There are four parts to the Dunning-Kruger Effect:
1: fail to recognize their own lack of skill;
2: fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3: fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4: recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.
Someone who uses K-12 science to try to argue a point as if they’re right and the other person is wrong, and the other person is actually a scientist who was trained in that field, then that meets the first 3 criteria. The 4th criteria is also required. If someone is incapable of being educated further, then it’s not really the Dunning-Kruger Effect, but rather willful ignorance.
When I use “Dunning-Kruger Effect” I am saying “you are not adequately educated to argue the subject, but you could be” not “you are an idiot and need to shut up”.
You say that the failure is not in the educational system, but public K-12 science teaches hundred year old, discredited theories. Where else could this specific failure be?
Oh, if you could pass this onto any of your colleagues, who may be conducting research in this area:
Kindly construct a very robust photon detector, and place it in the most tectonically stable and vibration free environment you can. In a place where no photons can sneak in accidentally.
Leave plenty of space in the direction you point it, for the formation of a wormhole. And ensure that the output of the detectors is conveyed to an appropriate remote monitoring system.
Most importantly widely publish the (very very) precise co-ordinates, orientation and time you activate the system. Plus the exact schematics of your detector and it’s surrounds. And make sure that those details are preserved in a highly durable medium that will stand the test of time.
Your colleagues’ descendants want to talk to you, but they cannot start the dialogue, until you build your receiver.
Before anybody goes through that much trouble, how about you demonstrate the existence of the exotic matter with negative mass necessary to create a worm hole?
Setting up a photo receptor is very simple by comparison to the task you are demanding. Of course, if you do it the way round that I suggest, then they can supply you with all the information necessary. Provided it does not create nasty temporal problems.
Personally, I intend to leave such decisions to the experts. They have the benefit of hindsight, after all. If the temporal physicists feel you are to be trusted with that knowledge, I am sure they will let you know.
The orbs are visible to cameras, it’s only the glow they give off that isn’t.
Dabbler cannot see orbs with her cybernetic eye. They literally do not produce/reflect any photons (or any other emissions for that matter) for camera to see.
I must have missed that reference – do you have a citation?
Dabbler’s observations on the orbs.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/655
in the picture max sent to peggy from her phone thingy, you can see the orbs
So you’re making a ton of assumptions about something we don’t understand yet.
She said we can see the glow, and everyone can DEFINITELY see the orbs. They DO show up on camera, I’m certain, they’re physical objects and are not invisible. What she’s saying is that somehow they appear to be glowing without actually putting off any sort of radiation that Dabbler could detect by non-visual means.
Yup. Dabbler understands magic, psionics and advanced alien technology. Yet she cannot figure it out. So I doubt regular mortals have any chance.
I suspect it means that villains who have unusual detection capabilities (say Magnito’s ability to sense magnetic fields), will not be able to do a remote scan to try and pick Halo out, from a crowd of normal people.
Likewise somebody with the ability to detect super powers would not be able to find her. Primarily because she is not a natural-born super, but secondarily because they would not be able to pick out the presence of the orbs either. Unless they look out of the window.
Just look for the short, female, blonde, spaz wearing some kind of comic book themed t-shirt and carrying a poster tube on her back. Not that hard to find.
I don’t think even she knows the answer… yet. She would likely have talked Dabbler and Maxima’s ears off about it by now, if she did.
Unless it has something to do with the mystery of what actually happened, rather than ‘discovering them whilst diving off the Florida keys’.
Do you really expect Dave to think about everything when he is drawing? He had to add multiple missing injuries during current fight. And he, certainly, could forget, that it was supposed to be invisible for cameras.
In fact, whole point of my original post was pointing out that consistency mistake. Either dabbler words about orbs should get retconned, or their tech-invisibility fixed and lampshaded later.
Except missing details like cuts and bruises is not the same thing. Even the best people miss out on art details like those, while things like the workings of the orbs would’ve been much more thoroughly thought out.
At any rate, the point of the page is to show that the orbs defy even alien physics, nevermind known physics. Everyone can clearly see them, everyone can see what they’re capable of, but HOW they’re doing it, nevermind where they even come from, that is meant to be an unknown, hence Dabbler’s ‘magical’ scan finding nothing. To delve into this beyond that is making a mountain out of a molehill, and we already have too many mountains amongst our discussions already.
It was the level up grid that was invisible to the cameras
Boys are simple, not as simple as simpletons but the statement stands. The guy is unfortunately both making him the simplest of the lot.
It could just as easily be said that “Some boys are simpler than others.”
True but both the male and female aspects of my personality think that dude is a simpleton.
Hell as smart as Petey is, he’s still the simpler aspect of my personality. Petra is far more complex just less willing to get involved unless she finds the situation of interest to her.
As a male myself I object to this statement. True some boys are simpler than others but the same can be said of girls as well. Never good to make such generalizations.
You kidding me?
Males ARE simpler than females. You ever tried to understand a woman?
Being surrounded by female family and co-workers nearly 24-7, I can attest that, after 28 years, I can barely understand them.
That’s part of our plan.
Noone understands the plan, not even woman.
That’s part of the plan aswel
Meh, you’re all over complicating with women and over simplifying with men. Both are easy to understand if you think about it all in terms of primitive instincts but neither one is simple.
I once heard somebody giving advice that I found quite cogent: Don’t try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other
I think the problem is that Peter is implying that simplicity is a bad thing. “The guy is unfortunately both”.
Also, I think people are only as complicated as you let them be.
The part that’s complicated is that, even if you’re aware of a person’s basic instincts, the misunderstanding/mis-interpretation occurs when you can’t really predict how that person’s intellect will filter how the person talks or acts. It’s not really a matter of “base instincts” alone that’s the factor…It’s also how a person’s conscious mind decides to express those instincts.
Quantum physics is complicated.
I gave up on understanding humans.
Eh… all I want to know is who will win, the Martians, or the Venus babes.
I just want to know who keeps diverting my astroids?
*whistles innocently*
That dude that Sydney convinces to jump in reminds me of Bulldozer from the Champions RPG. He has the same basics in that he’s a brick that’s confident in himself regardless of how often he gets the crap kicked out of him.
Whee, mega catch up, after my extended Xmas travels. Love the ongoing fight.
Belated Happy New Year, to one and all!
Welcome back! I hope you got the sleigh and reindeer put away safely.
Thanks, nice to be here.
I just hitch a lift, I am not on staff. Although I do love petting reindeer.
I was already wondering where our dog went
England and Cornwall. But with insufficient computer access and/or opportunity for browsing. I hope y’all had a good time over the festive season.
Wonderful, wonderful debate sessions. I would tell you to catch up on them, but no one wants to wade through a couple of thousand comments! :-D
Except when visiting TV Tropes site…
As one of those who noted your disappearance earlier, welcome back!
Noone actually WANTS to wade through the entire TV Tropes site. It’s just that you can’t escape
Sure you can escape…It’s just a matter of will power.
Or more precisely, it’s a matter of won’t power…
Hi Yorp. You’re just in time for the big finish. Sounds like you had a fun holiday.
Yea, it makes the life of a hermit philosopher bearable. Looking forward to socialising with all my friends and family, albeit only once a year.
But it comes with a … *sniff* … steep price to pay… a long delay on my Grrl Power fix!
But you probably got at least 1 good BLT out of it.
Or a decent spot of tea.
I got a tea pot! Or so it appeared. But it was just a cunningly reused box, in actuality. To disguise that it was full of Scooby Snax!
Whoa! Tea AND biscuits! At least you were visiting the right country for it. :)
Welcome back Yorp – we’ve missed you
Thank you!
*group hug*
You set a fine example of a dogs loyalty.
It’s really heartwarming.
Panel 1 it looks like Max is holding a charge in her right hand, similar to when she blew V’s arm off. I’m concerned that Max might try to end this fight possibly before she is able to if she doesn’t let Sydney’s plan run it’s course.
Nope just her normal gold coloration. She’s just scooting back trying to get outta the way.
if that were the case her hand and midriff would be equally glowy, they are distinctly different.
Different lighting values (I see more debris clouds over her left side than right) and the relative detail work (you can distinctly make out ab muscles) can account for such minor differences.
That should have been a reply to Thorlas.
You can’t see what’s to her right due to Anvil and the lay out of the panels. Considering the roughly circular nature of the effect Max’s punch created in conjunction with V anchoring himself one could assume the debris field is fairly evenly dispersed. Also extended from her right hand is a glowing effect of some sort.
I saw the yellow glow around her hand in that panel too and interpreted it as her flying back to get out of the way. Its roughly where her had would be if she started more forward in the panel
So now there trying to drown him? Yeah no violence whatsoever in literally water boarding the guy. Don’t see whats keeping V from just discharging in the water and shocking everyone dog piling him. Or for that matter what would keep jiggawat from shorting out once she gets in the water.
Oh there is violence but compared to what else they can do with the matter and materials at hand it’s comparatively the least violent option. The situation has moved well beyond keep things non-lethal if possible to stop him by any means possible and necessary. He had a very large hand in that happening.
Not being able to breathe is not a violent thing. A pool of water is not violent either.
And while waterboarding is cruel, it’s not violent. And this is not waterboarding (that’s a specific technique).
Jiggawatt isn’t always pumping out electricity, nor is she some machine that would short out in water. So being in water won’t do anything special for her
Just being in water is one thing but using you’re electric powers in it is another.
So drowning a person isn’t violent? Not shore about that.
Depends on your definition. There’s no massive amount of violent energy going around like there would when supers punch eachother.
There may be violent intent, but no action
I like to think, after this battle, the villains are given this choice:
A) Go to Jail
B) For the few of you without prior convictions, Join Arc on a probational status. If they like you, you join the team and get a paying job, if not, you go to jail.
ARC’s version of the Suicide Squad?
Depends. Are they gonna implant explosives in there brains, or have other instant death devices put inside them?
Very tiny explosives in the Carotid and Jugular which will explode if they don’t receive an special chemical injection every 48 hours?
Why not? It worked on Snake Plisken.
That was the inspiration, yes. ;)
And look what he did, TWICE!
meh, there goes their chance to park him on the moon :( Would’ve been cool to see a grumpy V sitting there being handed some oxygen now and then. not for logic, but for images sake it would be.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/60
I may not be an expert on military rank, but is going from recruit/trainee to Corporal in a few months a good indication of fast tracking?
And then, you know, slowed way down once we remember how she acts the other 90% of the time…
Woops this was supposed to be a reply waaay up there to Traab.
Actually, Corporal is the second lowest rank.
The lowest is Private (which is split into Private, Private 2 and Private First Class).
Then comes Corporal, then Sergeant (which is split into Sergeant, then Staff Sergeant, then Sergeant First Class, then Master Sergeant, then First Sergeant, then Sergeant Major,, then Command Sergeant Major).
Then I believe Lieutenant (split into second lieutenant and first lieutenant), then Captain, then Major, then Lieutenant Colonel, then Colonel, then Brigadier General, then Major General, then Lieutenant General, then General (at which point you get into the 1 star, 2 star, etc, up to 5 star)
Non Commissioned Officers can only get up to Colonel, except for doctors (who are Captain, I believe) and attorneys (JAG officers – who begin at First Lieutenant, then are promoted within 6 months to Captain)
erk, I mean Non Commissioned Officers can only get up to CORPORAL. Not Colonel. My bad.
Wait, what? NCO’s can go higher than Corporal, if you don’t believe me, just call a Sergeant ‘Sir’ :p
I never understood that. I read it a couple of times in places ‘don’t call me Sir, I work for a living’
What does it mean? In what culture is it a bad thing?
It is a reaction to the fact a lieutenant who just graduated from ROTC or OTS can command NCOs with decades of experience. There is a certain lack of respect for the lieutenants who push that concept too hard. And the word “sir” can have many shades of meaning. A lot of them rude. So some NCOs object to being considered a “sir”. In Basic everyone who is not a trainee is a sir, but that’s just to build the reflex.
What I love about the military is the exceptions to the rule. For instance it is common for medium to high ranking officers to serve for a period in the S.A.S., before moving on to another role. The members of the regiment referring to these as Ruperts.
Should a Rupert be foolish enough to think that he can actually command an S.A.S. squad, just because he has a major’s insignia on his uniform, he is very rudely mistaken. The N.C.O. is in command and the Rupert is just extra baggage, along for the ride!
Which is an interesting analogy to the above comic, and the comments that some have raised as to how it is odd that a new recruit is able to command experienced officers. Although Arc SWAT is technically a police S.W.A.T. unit, it is actually more akin to an elite forces unit.
As such, they would automatically defer to the individual with the most pertinent experience, without need for orders to that effect. As a comic shop owner, Sydney has more super nerd experience than the rest of the team combined.
Whereas all their previous military experience may simply have conditioned them the wrong way to deal with super issues. Ergo she is the most experienced in this situation, and whilst she continues her impressive track record, they are right to listen to her.
It’s because Sergeants are the last rank before the Officers, I think :) Sergeant is the highest that can still be honestly referred to as one of the grunts maybe? :)
I dunno, I’ve never been in the army. I base all my army knowledge on movies like Starship Troopers, Stripes, Platoon and Saving Private Ryan.
In some branches, a sergeant is a ‘sir’. IIRC, for the U.S., not in the army, but they do in the marines and air force. I don’t remember for navy.
In the Navy, Petty Officer instead of Sergeant. Unless they’re acting as Company Commanders in boot camp, don’t call them “sir.”
According to every army movie I’ve seen involving boot camp, including sci fi movies, you don’t call Sergeant sir – cause he works for a living! :)
As someone who has done boot camp, you use sir at the beginning and end of whatever you say to your D.I. whether he is enlisted , or officer.
I.E. Sir yes sir.
Also I just looked it up and I’m wrong about the General stuff. A Brigadier General is 1 star, a Major General is 2 stars, a Major General is 3 stars, a Lieutenant General is 4 stars, and a General is 5 stars.
Hollywood has steered me wrong.
GAH this comment stuff needs an ability to edit.
Brigadier General is 1 star, Major General is 2 stars, Lieutenant Colonel is 3 stars, General is 4 stars, and ‘General of the Army’ is 5 stars.
Isn’t “General of the Army”, the President?
No, the President is Commander in Chief. By the Constitution, that title is bestowed by Congress & specifically limited in duration, unless specifically renewed by Congress in specific intervals of time…And the C-in-C always has to answer to Congress for his actions.
No. General of the Army is the term for 5 star general. I looked it up :) The president is the Commander in Chief.
Why is there a Colonel in between the Generals?
That doesn’t make any sense
“Be My Little General”
Brigadier=1 star
Major=2 stars
Lieutenant=3 stars
General=4 stars
General of the Army=5 stars (only exists in declared wartime)
Commander in Chief= President (all armed forces)
Oh right, knew the Pres was in there somewhere
Didn’t know that different stars meant a different rank
5 stars are often called Marshals in most other countries, we continue to call them General of the Army because the first 5 star was General George Marshall who refused to be called Marshal Marshall, and while 5 stars generally have only been used in wartime and must be approved by congress there are no laws preventing them in peacetime. (It’s basically reserved to provide equal or superior rank to our generals for when working with or comanding forces of foriegn countries because they like to go super high ranked.)
Can you really blame him? I mean really!?
I totally do. I mean, if you can have Mister Mister, why not Marshall Marshall?
How would you like to be Major Major Major
How ’bout ‘no no no’. :)
Hollywood steers everybody wrong…What can you expect from an entire minority sub-culture that makes a career & lifestyle out of manufacturing fantasy & fiction?
many faults actually came up from congress telling hollywood to F* things up in movies so people couldn’t fake being a soldier from movies
I’m referring to Hollywood in an overall, general sense. Not just restricted to movies about military.
Corporal though technically equal in pay to the rank Specialist at paygrade e-4 in the Army Corporal is considered a NCO while specialist is not. Meaning it goes Pvt. Pv2. Pfc. Spc. Then Corporal. So Corporal is the lowest non commissioned officer rank but the 5th lowest rank. All privates are not equal after all which is why there is 3 of them. I believe Dave wanted to give Halo a command rank capable of giving orders the lowest of which is Corporal.
Isn’t gunnery sergeant supposed to be in here somewhere? or is that a marine only rank?
Think that’s only a Marine rank
There are also Warrant Officers, who outrank sergeants, but are still NCOs. Hence the designation “Chief” and the infamous “Master Chief”.
That explains why Chief Miles O’Brien has a different rank than everyone else in Star Trek.
Warrant officers arose in the era of wooden warships. Specifically to cope with a particular situation. Namely a specialist role, which took much experience to master, and which required the assistance of other non-specialists to fulfil.
Typically these would be roles that are critical to either the survival of the ship, or necessary for the specialised function of that ship, whatever that may be. However, such positions broke the normal rank structure of that era.
Sailors and NCOs were drawn from the bulk of society and worked their way up through experience. Officers, in that day, obtained their position by literally buying a commission. Whereas warrant officers had to be recruited from a limited pool of already experienced professionals, rather than just rounding up a bunch of random drunks outside the pub.
Chief O’Brian was a teleporter specialist. So in modern rank structures could simply be trained up as a specialist. Presumably though there would be situations where the man operating the teleporter has to make command level decisions, without time to refer them to an actual command level officer.
Naturally, such decisions could affect the fate of the entire ship. Which means that his rank is entirely appropriate. He must be able to override decisions by even the highest ranking NCO, and only an officer who is very certain he knows better should countermand the orders that a warrant officer makes, within his own speciality.
That’s pretty much how a warrant officer friend of mine (working in the motor pool in the Army National Guard) explained it to me, yes.
Warrant Officers are like a completely separate rank structure
Warrant Officers carry the authority of command in their specialty, whereas Chief, Senior Chief & Master Chief carry a more widespread general level of authority.
And Spartan: John from Halo was a Master Chief Petty Officer.
Aside from the limited & specialized authority with Warrant Officers, MCPO’s are the highest Non-Com rank in the Navy.
Is it sad that I want blue hair to be stuck being called Kreig because of his entrance?
This doesn’t make sense. The more you hold him down, the more power he gets. He tosses out his aggro charm and everyone starts fighting everyone else.
And look at all the luck…tons of it. Lucky no communicators were damaged, lucky that it was a ground holding spell, lucky that there was a water main. And out of all of the MANY…many powers he has, boiling/freezing water isn’t one? Dang, that’s lucky!
I wonider when people are going to stop acting like he has a long list of powers. He has two powers. Just two: absorbs vehemic energy to get stronger and regeneration which also makes him stronger. Everything else is not a power… it’s spells.
If we treat every single spell as a separate power then why not treat each sword and rune Dabbler uses as a separate power? Anvil’s left fist as a separate power from her right fist? Every fighting stance and combat move Math makes as a separate ability? Every gun Peggy uses as a separate ability? No… Vehemence has two powers plus magic. Stop whining about a problem that doesn’t actually exist.
Other than that… yeah they got lucky on the water main… but why would the communicators be broken? They are designed to be used in combat. It was already obvious that it was a ground holding spell… that’s not luck. And how would holding him down make him stronger? There is no/little intent to cause harm behind it.
ok, lucky he didn’t have a SPELL to get rid of water, BUT DID have a spell for pants?
Most everybody involved in the FIGHT – yeah, FIGHT – got the stuffings kicked out of them and NOTHING broke? Wow! Lucky!
An obvious ground holding? Yeah sure, he’s not flying downward…sure!
And intent has nothing to do with violence! Oy!
Go wrestle somebody and say that again!
Holding someone is not violent, it is the opposite of violence
How many of those fancy glasses do you still see in use? That’s right, none of them because they all got destroyed. The communicators are in the ear and around their necks, Jiggie had to check her phone because she came from an important family meeting
Also because she don’t hear too good right now.
*improper grammar was intentional :P
That too :D
Nope, that comes down to the fact that DaveB likes drawing pretty girls, and has attracted an audience who likes looking at them. Although he is balanced enough to cater for others as well. However, he would feel uncomfortable having to draw dangly bits wobbling around for the rest of the fight, and many of the core readership would feel likewise.
So this does not class as luck, it is artistic licence. He needed to have a way to replace his pants and that was the way the author chose to do it.
Nope, this is a super hero comic. Part of the genre being that such things happen. Dave has chosen to break certain of the genre tropes, and run with others. In this case, bones will only get broken when there is a plot-necessary reason for it. Arguments to support such a decision are easy to spot.
These folks are all either supers, with a bunch of inherent perks, such as top-notch physiques and other attributes which will help them avoid the regular dangers of combat, or specialists who are so capable that they can operate on a par with those supers.
Plus it is fair to assume that they are all individuals with more than their fair share of luck (which, yup, I appreciate the irony, does corroborate your statement). Those who did not have that long since got turned into piles of molten radioactive slush, in bizzare accidents, rather than miraculously surviving and gaining super powers.
Mind you, that is true of the majority of fictional heroes. Make them too realistic, and you would have to replace the protagonist in every act, because he or she would have died off. We forget that most individuals undertaking heroics do not survive the attempt. Although, that is why we look up to those who do. They beat the odds.
The rest of your comments are all fair and up for debate, depending on each individual’s take on the situation.
“Everything else is not a power… it’s spells.”
Technically, you’re right. Another way of saying it would be to call everything else “power stunts.” If it weren’t for his primary power of V-Energy absorption, none of the other abilities could work.
He doesn’t get stronger from people pushing on him, he gets stronger from VIOLENCE. Holding him down isn’t that violent
The comunicators are basicly electrical fabric. Technology printed on fabric. Yes, that exists.
I’m not sure if it’s available yet, but there are already designs for clothes with that stuf in it, that can do all sorts of fancy things. That stuf is also really sturdy. Why would that get broken by the person wearing them getting punched somewhere else? Also, noones saying ALL of them survived. Everything Sydney had is just fine, because the only hit she ever took was to her face, once. She was in the shield the entire rest of the time.
The ground holding spell isn’t that luck. If he could control gravity, he’d have used that in combat more than just sticking himself to the surface. So an educated guess.
Water line. That was a little lucky, but that’s why she was praying. Also, it was bound to get damaged soon anyway, with all the destruction going around.
Freezing or boiling water, how is that even going to help him? HE’S the one that’s submerged. The people holding him down are only a little bit in the water. If he freezes the water, he’s only going to be more stuck, with more water still piling up. If he boiles the water, he’s getting the main of the burns.
As I said before, go wrestle and tell me there’s no violence!
Freeze/evaporate the water before it reaches me.
Getting ground with a bridge column, punched in the gut about 3 blocks, etc and being someone that THRIVES on violence……and you get him ‘flustered’ in a fight?
And the communicators were printed on cloth? Um, a lot of the participants show damage to clothes, such as missing shirts, torn sleeves, etc. but everyone Sid needed was ok? LUCKY!
Or maybe, considering the number of ARCites, Sydney had the brains to communicate her plan to those with intact communicators (remember, she had to tell Jiggie to check her phone)
Boyo, this is the reason Chalo disabled comments on Las Lindas comic pages. If you think something in a comic is contrived, nonsensical, etc, there’s better ways to point it out than sarcastic sniping like that. This isn’t a hyper-serious drama or soap opera; it’s a humorous take on the super-hero genre with an emphasis on self-awareness and entertaining fun. =/
things in a comic are contrived? so, you mean the characters don’t have free will? wow. mind blown.
not.
I think I understand what you’re getting at, brody, and you’re right – wrestling can indeed be violent in the sense that a lot of damage can be done to body parts (dislocations, strains, sprains, breaks, etc). I think the others (possibly including DaveB are referring to impact violence, which is much more damaging, and would likely provide a larger charge to V
I’ve wrestled and I can tell you that, unless you are talking about WWE or something, wrestling is not violent. Essentially, the wrestler is trying to restrain their opponent. Restraining someone is not equivalent to punching them. Only possible violent part would be the takedown when both participants are standing. Otherwise, it is a series of grapple moves.
So you’re saying that when you’re trying to bridge or pull your leg free that it’s NOT VIOLENT?
That you’re NOT straining and struggling to your utmost to break free….while your opponent is trying to hold onto a writhing, twisting, squirming mass of flesh?
And you weren’t EXHAUSTED afterwards?
Sorry, not buying it. It’s violent.
First, I want to say that exhaustion is not related to violence. All actions a person performs expend energy whether you run until you collapse or pull a gun trigger to shoot someone.
Second, violence* leads to an injury of some kind when applied to someone. With the proper training and equipment, wrestlers hold very little risk of an actually injury (most of which occur during take downs which I already mentioned in my previous comment).
*I would like to mention that the violence I talk about is physical violence specifically.
I appreciate your stance on one philosophical level, in that the restraint of an individual, against their will, is an act of violence. However, for the purposes of this debate, the counter-arguments have merit too. The strongest support of which I can provide (other than points already raised by others), is that there are whole schools of martial arts which exist because they are pacified versions of violent schools.
For example all those which end in “do”, such as Judo and Kendo. Judo is based on Ju Jutsu whereas Kendo derives from fighting with various swords. Both of which, although they are still physical contact sports, which can be highly competitive and potentially dangerous, through misadventure, are not intended to be violent activities.
And all of this goes to intent. If you restrain a succubus, with the intent of preventing her seducing you, or otherwise committing harm, she will gain no power from it. On the other paw though, if you do the same actions, with the intent of raping her, she will feed off the action like it was a buffet.
In this case, if you are restraining Vehemence, with the intent of stopping him harming you, but making every effort to avoid hurting him, he will not get much, if any, Vehemic energy from it. Of course, in amongst the dogpile there are probably those who do intend to do serious harm to him.
So he will be gaining energy from those individuals. Hopefully the training of the police officers will keep such thoughts and emotions to a minimum. Their primary role as law enforcement officials is to preserve the lives of their citizens – even the ones who are breaking the law. Where possible.
So, yea, he is gaining energy, but it should not be anywhere near the levels that zapping him with super powers or punching him, like a south-bound freight train, should grant.
Actually YORP in the reference you made there was a minor flaw.
In Japanese martial arts do= art, jutsu =way.
Example kendo=art of the sword, kenjutsu =way of the sword.
Shhh! You will only spark off weighing puns!
But you are correct, of course. The Japanese have elevated even descriptive terms, from mundane practical words, into … um…. art. As they, traditionally, did with all merit-worthy aspects of life. It is one of the delights of their culture.
Since when is Violence directly exhausting?
I disagree with you on the general point of grappling being significantly less violent than striking in a fight, but I will agree that the grappling being used in this situation is much less violent than most other fighting options they have here.
I would agree that competitive wrestling is relatively nonviolent. However, combat-oriented grappling (which most styles of wrestling can be used for) is plenty violent. You gloss over the takedowns, which can really hit hard if you’re not on a mat (not infrequently ending the fight right there, especially against someone not trained to take a fall), and I’d put joint locks and chokes (not to mention dirty moves such as fish-hooks, eye gouges, biting, etc) on a similar level of violence to strikes, at least in the real world.
That said, I think your point stands in this particular situation because 1. a super-powered strike probably could do more collateral damage than any non-throw super-powered grappling move and thus could be considered more violent than most grappling moves and 2. this particular situation does indeed involve grappling focused more on restraining than causing damage. It’s like the trope of a team of burly hospital orderlies taking down a violent patient, using their overwhelming power to more gently restrain than would be possible with a more even power balance.
I was indeed speaking in the context of wrestling as in the competitive sport.
I definitely agree with you about its use outside of the sport.
The comuncators aren’t in the shirts, they are the chockers. On the throat.
Not exactly the same as a shirt you can grab onto and rip up
Perhaps V is having difficulty concentrating to cast his spells, what with the pain of a crushed windpipe, suffocation panic, and wrastlin with a dozen guys.
As to the rest. Meh. No single element seems to rely entirely on luck except maybe the water main, although as noted Dabs can summon ice and stuff, maybe water if necessary. If he hadn’t been grounded the hentacle could have snagged him the same as it did Anvil. Some of the communicators were indeed damaged (mainly the glasses ones), but the one that was needed apparently worked.
“Apparently worked”…like I said, Lucky!
And you think he panics in a fight? The guy that LIVES to fight? Really lucky, eh?
He may live to fight, but he’s not impervious, he admitted that if Maxi had clobbered him at the start of the fight he would be a red mess on her golden hands
No, but you obviously didn’t read what I wrote. No part of the plan requires the sequence of events to be that specific. There’s room for improvisation, and in fact “the plan” has already hit two different snags which required that.
You also have an odd idea of what constitutes luck. The non-brawler/-super-strength character has a phone/communicator provided for her superhero work by a government agency. The brawler types like Anvil had their glasses wrecked pretty quick, although those flexible throat things look to still be in one piece. So does it require luck for Jigga’s S-phone to still be working? No. It falls pretty well in line with the situation as presented.
The only attack that might have wrecked it would be Breakpoint’s sonic thing, and even then if you read the bit about breakpoint you’d see her sonic attack would be specifically tuned to hurt Jigga’s fleshy bits.
You’re obviously married to your concept of what’s going on, so have fun with that.
Speaking as Breakpoint’s creator, as much as it pains me to say this, I concur with Spatulaodoom regarding the use of Breakpoint’s attack.
So during the V influenced fight, nothing got broke…no phones, no nothing. Each person critical to the fight was unscathed? No knockouts, no deaths, no dazed and confused?
You’re right, I do have a different idea than you what constitutes luck.
I guess it’s pure “something other than luck” that V knew about Dabbler and sleep spells and such, but forgot about hypnoboobs too…hunh.
What person that is critical to this plan was ever at risk of getting disabled AFTER the plan was formed?
Sydney formed the plan based on who was still up, and what they could do. She didn’t form a plan, than check if the people she needed are still up
Most everything nearby that was breakable was already well broke by the time the V Circle o’ aggro kicked off. Restaurant, check. Underpass, check. Pavement and parking tombstones check. There was a tree that may or may not have been damaged after the Circle kicked off… And there were a couple extra Concerti shaped chunks lying around maybe.
So anyone taking bets that Budget Halo makes the Canadian border before the APB goes out?
She can fly, so sure
Yes. Lucky.
We’re also in a comics medium, in which the 1-in-a-million/billion/trillion-chance is equal to absolute certainty; where a mere human can reliably put an overpowered bullet into the eye of a moving target, and a purple, 4-armed succubus can count on pulling exactly the right tool out of her lab (prepared decades ago) for the situation at hand, a-la-Batman…
Lucky is practically a law of nature
I see what you’re saying, I just had higher hopes especially for the first big fight.
If you look at World War II, the odds were very much stacked in Germany’s favour, for the war in Europe. I am damned glad that I happen to live in a world where enough critical resources survived the destruction they wrought, in order to take down the Nazis.
Was it luck? Well, assuming an infinite alternate realities multiverse, I would bet that there are an awful lot of them where Nazi Europe is still going strong. We are fortunate that, in the one we are experiencing, the good guys managed to make the most of what resources they had, and organise the right allies, at the right time, to overcome that menace.
VehemencePower.com is where you should go if you want to see what happens in a world where he wins.
If you look at World War II, Nazi Germany was stopped and pushed back by Soviet Union. And given sheer size of the countries and scale of resources they had avaliable, the odds there… were not in Germany’s favor.
Which they would have been unlikely to succeed at, without the supply convoys which braved the icy northern routes under ceaseless U-boat and bomber attacks. Not to mention needing troops diverted to the Western front, in order to take the pressure off them in the East, until they could recover from the initial German invasion.
Had it not been for various diversionary tactics employed in Europe, plus England fighting in North Africa, and cutting off Germany from the vital oil there, not to mention the U.S.A. later bringing their military might to bear, Russia too would likely have been overwhelmed.
One key analysis of the Eastern front shows that it was Hitler turning his forces away from Moscow and the political and economic heartlands, in order to try and secure Russian oil reserves, in the otherwise less important south, which lost the impetus of the initial invasion and prevented what could have been an early capitulation by Russia.
Had history not supplied Churchill, or some other individual of equal calibre, and Britain had instead placated Germany, after Dunkirk, to stave off the risk of invasion, then Germany would have been able to secure their African oil unopposed. And things could have very easily gone the other way in Russia.
The world would then be a very different place to anything we recognise today.
I think that once V started pushing the Aggro Aura it wasn’t just luck. There were too many “well matched” pairings, which makes sense due to V needing continued fighting, not a splatterfest.
Nuts!
… wasn’t just luck …
All big fights rely on luck for both sides. No plan ever works as planned, you need to be lucky that parts hold, and adept if they don’t. Luck is a factor that exists, whether you like it or not
Is that one of the villains in panel 5?
The guy on the left is boiler plate guy, and considering how messed up his shoulder and ribs got it’s impressive he’s standing once the aggro aura turned off.
The guy on the right is, I think, Mr.Amorphus. Not entirely sure because he does have a fairly generic appearance, but if you look at the arms they do look pretty weirdly out of proportion.
Well Amorphus is wearing those clothes
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1303
Knew it was one of the villains, seeing how the ‘good guys’ aren’t wearing masks
Way to think outside of the bubble Sydney: holding someone isn’t violence, nor is holding them down and letting water do it’s thing
It took me a second look but after Anvil broke up the ground and spoiled V’s Anchor spell, Sydney face-planted him. That was the last bit of violence. If you don’t count Nose Boop’s hurt feelings.
I’d be feeling that holding someone’s head underwater might qualify as violent?
I think what we’re dealing with is a different order of magnitude. I’ve been comparing his violence absorption to drinking alcohol due to his apparent addiction of it, so I’ll keep that up here.
I mentioned this earlier, but consider this: Assume that you get mad and punch the crap out of a punching bag. Clearly violent, but probably wouldn’t me more than the equivalent of a sip of wine to him. Now, you get a dozen people in the room doing that, and it’s more like a tall glass.
But if Anvil or Hiro or Stalwart do the same thing, the level of magnitude is different. They are punching harder, likely faster, and causing much more violence. Each individual one of them is probably on the level of that entire room of a dozen people.
Now have them punch each other instead of the punching bags, because each of them can take a LOT more punishment than the punching bag. We’ve upped to to some stronger stuff.
Then we assume Maxima is equivalent to a dozen Anvil’s or Hiro’s punching each other in terms of output.
The idea here is that a super fight generates more violence, because they are able to dish out and take more violent actions than even a building would. That is the only reason Vehemence got as powerful as he did, and it would take a tremendous occurrence for something like this to happen again. Massive super brawls are simply not likely to be a common thing, especially since so many of the supers are at differing levels of power. You wouldn’t likely team Math up with Maxima, simply because if Maxima is dispatched to handle it, Math would probably not even be needed. A full gathering like this is just not going to be an everyday thing.
Back to your point, yes, holding someone down is going to qualify as violent, but it isn’t going to be anywhere near as violent as an active brawl would have been, and the water isn’t giving anywhere near enough force to actually be a factor. My analogy was to compare it to a Bud Light, where the previous fighting was more like a string of whiskey, rum, and scotch shots. It’s just nowhere near as potent, even if he might normally have gotten something out of it. When you consider the sheer amount of power he’s been needing to put out, it’s just not enough to sustain his power levels at over 9000. Dude’s rapidly going to be heading downhill.
I’m still trying to figure out why, once he’s no longer bolted to the ground, did Maxima not just fly upwards with him to put him into orbit.
It does seem that everyone dogpiling on him and trying to drown him might be seen as more ‘violent’ than him being in orbit. I mean – I like the idea of drowning him, but considering how every time anyone does ANYTHING to him he comes up with some new power because ‘the violence has made me stronger and now I have power to burn’…. I’m concerned that the next page might have Vehemence with ‘a new trick’ – or the same regurgitated trick, or something. Ka-scuba! Ka-gills. Ka-anti-lighthook-dissipator. I dunno. Then suddenly becoming strong enough to throw everyone off at once.
In any case, I really really hope that doesnt happen, and they actually manage to render him unconscious from lack of air.
Probably because by switching to flight mode means she would then become vulnerable to him, and we have already seen that he can do her some serious hurting damage
Again, holding him down and letting the liquid do it’s job is passive
That…. really doesnt make sense still. She can still give herself enough flight to fly him up now the he’s no longer bolted to the ground.
Oh well, maybe it’ll be explained in an upcoming comic or something
I am with Guesticus, on this one. Maxima was clearly pushed to her limits. She had to put all of her distributable power into defence, in order to survive his attacks. Fast though her flight is, it is not instantaneous. And the faster she wants to go, the more power she has to take from her defence to do so.
In other words she would (for these purposes, when considering his power) be defenceless, whilst doing what you are proposing. She can only fly if she is alive.
Oops sorry, I missed that you were talking about Halo, not Maxima. But Continuity gives the correct reply, below. DaveB realised that he was giving Halo an incredibly strong and versatile set of powers. Which, if she could access them all at once, would allow her to overcome any threat, with no risk.
Putting in a two power at a time limit is what keeps her at merely awesomely powerful, but falling short of overwhelmingly powerful, and thereby boring. She still has to come up with ingenious solutions in situations like this.
No, Puppy, Pander was talking about Maxi
Frankly, because she doesn’t have 3 hands.
1) Flight orb
2) Molest orb
3) Shield orb
Think about it, she would need all 3 going to get this guy into orbit.
ah, now I just had a thought:
Sydney uses molest-orb to rope V
Sydney turns on shield
Maxima, inside of shield, grabs Sydney and flies up.
Teamwork wins! Vehemence is now a satellite!
Simple. Flying up to orbit takes time. Time that Vehemence can use to grab her again and reactivate his lightning. The lightning that forced her to dump everything in armor, or be damaged by it.
If Maxima would try to fly up with Vehemence, he’d be able to get her back into the position she was before Sydney got him off with a combination Hypnoboobs and antilightning. He’s not going to fall for that a second time
So, once you capture bad guys, I would assume that immediate research and spell-casting ensues to fully identify a villain’s powers and origin of said powers, as well as necessary means to negate or neutralize said powers.
Dave has said that there’s no “universal power dampeners” in his Grrl world…but investigating the means for specifc powers to dampen is still a viable strategy.
We’ll call this the Wet Noodle strategy.
…Throw some tomatoes into the water, let V’s thrashing about crush them up & mix it around, and you’ll have a lovely tomato sauce to go with the noodle.
Just make sure the noodle isn’t a spicy one.
It would take more than a few tomatoes to get that spicy…
Anvil is in there somewhere getting a wet top. That’s a pretty spicy tomato.
Those aren’t tomatoes…Those are melons.
;)
Not melons, ripe juicy pumpkins
that is a fatal miscalculation they are anti personnel/armor mines hit one and your lucky if you only loose a limb.
Sooooooooo……. when is Arianna showing up with the news crews to show how the TEAM found a defective water line and helped excavate to make it easier for the city to fix it? Or how they are doing charitable work by renovating a nearby restuarant?
Ah, yes, the joy of lawyers. -_-
You mean the news-crew that has been at the other end of the mall for the entire fight?
Along with the reporter that’s just been in a catfight with Arianna?
she’ll show up right after she and Suzie finally get the cameraman to delete the footage he caught of them two fighting it out during the Aggro-Aura scenes…
The cameraman would also have been fighting, so unles the camera was already pointed perfectly, there’s probably no footage
I recommend everyone go watch wrestling…it’s extremely violent! Check the Olympics…or MMA,
Hope you are not talking about WWF, that’s as violent as a fart in a duck pond
And dog-piling is not violent, not on the part of the pilers
Unless it’s Shrek who does the farting in said pond. Then I’d expect enough dead poultry to feed an extended family all winter.
That’s still not violent, just toxic :P
Really? I figured it was less the toxic gas (which would have just bubbled up and escaped into the air) and more the concussive shock waves traveling through the water. ;-P
WAIT….
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait
… wait.
Just wait a second okay?
Wait…..
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Are you saying wrestling isnt real?
It’s real to me. ;-)
Well, merely the title (World Wrestling Entertainment) kinda blows their cover…Also, if it’s all “real,” then how do the camera crews happen to be in just the right place at the right time to catch all of that “backstage action?” A lot of it is acting & also involves scripting, practicing & rehearsing to pull off many of those “rivalries” that the audiences see. Accidents happen & people DO get hurt though, because it IS highly physical & people can make mistakes, but it’s more like an association of “stuntmen/women.”
To me, professional wrestling is like starting with a soap opera & hosing it down with testosterone…which is why it’s entertaining.
As I said…
*ahem*
It’s still real to me dammit! ;_;
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It used to be real, way more real than it is now, and even now most of the actual moves and stuff are real, it’s just like in the movies: highly choreographed and staged
If I were to watch WWE today, the misery is definitely still real. :P
Sydney tossed him forwad into the water and said PIN him. As in dogpile grab a limb do not let him move and by all means do not let him get up. At no point did anyone say get ready to wrestle him, wrestling is the struggle to get someone pinned, I agree a full 1v1 match can be violent but that is not what we have going in this comic at this point the throat punch and Hen-tie attack was the last violence, tthe rest is many holding 1 guy down until water does its thing. Just my 2 cents is all.
I’m siding with brody here. Holding him down, especially underwater, is violent.
If you don’t agree, try this experiment. (NOT REALLY! DON’T TRY IT!) The next time you’re near a body of water and see a young girl playing nearby, grab her, push her into the water, and hold her head underwater as she struggles to get free. Make sure there are plenty of witnesses. Try to hold her under until she drowns, if you can. Odds are that you won’t that far, because if those witnesses are halfway-decent people they’ll drag you off and call the police.
Now, here’s the point of the exercise: when the police arrive, explain to them that holding the girl underwater like that was a completely peaceful, non-violent thing to do. Do you think they’ll buy it? I sure wouldn’t.
IMHO, what they’re doing to V is definitely violent. There seems to be a notion that “violence” means “moving around a lot”, but strangling someone should also count (even if it doesn’t involve much motion), as does shooting someone (even though you’re just pushing a tiny lever), and so on. Our heroes’ best bet, as others have said, is that V is spending more energy on defense and staying alive than he’s getting from the violence.
Pretty sure that the power of violence is a general thing for him, and that him being held down is a bit less violent than being punched hard enough to take his head off. One simply takes less force. ALSO you are assuming that he is going to be drowned, which I don’t think is the case.
I could buy “LESS violent”. My argument is with the people claiming that the current attack is NON-violent.
And, no, I don’t assume that they’re going to continue the current strangulation/drowning attack until he’s actually dead; they’re trying to avoid fatalities. The point is that this is an attack that would kill most people (and even many supers) within a few minutes, which qualifies it as “violent” in my book.
Bottom line: I don’t accept any definition of “nonviolent” that would allow the Boston Strangler to be classified as a peaceful, nonviolent individual.
One point that I was unaware of, due to being derived from an author’s comment that I missed, is that Vehemic energy is mainly derived from the force of the violence. Even the most unsophisticated fighter present, Mr Nose Boop, has cottoned on that minimum force must be used in this action.
Which is corroborated by the fact that he is using a joint lock, as he states, in the final panel. And clearly he has chosen one which allows a physically weaker combatant to maintain it against a stronger opponent. Such techniques use the opponent’s strength against them.
Ie. even Nose Boop is not contributing much Vehemic energy here. Most of the violence that derives from the struggle is emanating from Vehemence himself. Which presumably does not provide him any extra energy, but just fatigues him in the normal way.
The point when the rest were imparting the most energy, was when they were joining the dogpile. After which, they are just maintaining their positions, and similar arguments can be made to the joint lock above (albeit that they will probably have to exert somewhat more force, other than those who may be using police restraint techniques).
But such force is way below what he was feeding off before.
Significantly, that piling on occurred before the mains rupture. So even the flavour of such violence they were perpetrating was limited to restraining, rather than harming him. Now that the water is threatening him, that flavour should be changing more to his taste. But the degree of violence (measured by the amount of force, rather than the risk of death) is at an absolute low at this point.
Morally, of course, you are right, they are, by the final panel, deploying potentially deadly violence. But most of that threat comes from water, which has no intelligence with which to provide the intent for violence, nor force to provide the energy.* So Vehemence is currently being taken down in a way which minimises the energy he can gain from it.
* Yes, I appreciate that it is a pressurised water main, but the water is flowing out into the open and, as such, the pressure is mostly dissipating into the environment rather than providing a water-cannon like effect, directed against him. His danger is from drowning, not being knocked back forcibly.
Tell me about violence when you get shot man. There is intent lacking in those unlike in actual violence. Otherwise it’s just heavy contact sport.
Uh Oh. They’ve got a noose around his neck and they are holding his head under water. Regardless of how this battle turns out, if this world has any political parallels with ours, I think the team is in for a pile of trouble. In the After Action Reports some political twink is going to go all “HEY ARCSWAT is WATERBOARDING that guy”. Seeing as how Sydney is essentially calling the shots here she would come under a great deal of scrutiny. Oh jeez, could you just see her going into meltdown mode under a Congressional grilling. Christ, I’d pay good money to see her go all potty mouth ballistic on a couple of mealy mouthed wiener Senators.
No.
This is a combat situation. Suffucating him is the only way to defeat him right now.
We already established that he clearly identified himself as an enemy.
Also he confessed he was trying to kill Max.
More accurately he said he was going to kill her after she said and did try to kill him by first taking his arm off then trying to take off his head. He wasn’t interested in killing anyone prior to that point and only wants her dead because of her demonstrating she has no problems going for a kill shot on an opponent not actively trying to kill anyone to stop them since he likely wouldn’t have the option in a future encounter of building up enough energy to be able to survive a lethal attack on her part. Survival replaced his previous motivations of simply having a time enjoying a super-powered brawl and seeing just how powerful he could become.
Max was in her right to behead him there and then. You can’t claim self defense if you started a life and dead fight.
She choose to hold back enough to let him surrender.
He had already crossed the “deadly force” treshold by then.
Instead of getting a hint the continued the fight so he has been on the wrong side of the “deadly force” line for quite some comics now.
And this is still a superhuman fight where the only way to subdue him right now is to suffucate him until he passes out.
Wich is still a lot nicer then max just excercising her right to take his head off back then.
Call me crazy, but I think there’s a slight difference between using deadly force against someone who’s actively trying to commit murder (and has the means to do so), versus using the same force against a prisoner who’s helplessly tied down and being held indefinitely without trial.
The former is self-defense: you’re allowed to use deadly force against someone who’s attacking with deadly force. (And, despite the fact that “self-defense” has “self” in the name, my understanding is that it applies even if the attacker is attacking someone else. It’s a weird use of the term, but since I agree with the moral principle I just shrug my shoulders and say “legalese is a different language”.) The latter was justified on the grounds of “we don’t have to obey US law if we’re not on US soil when we do it”, which is a bit more iffy IMHO.
Oh I quite agree with all of the points y’all are making. The problem is that it doesn’t matter to ideological congress critters. If there is a politico or group of them who have an ax to grind against ARC they’ll use anything no matter how far fetched and silly to open up an investigation. Remember (maybe not, long time ago) congress opened an investigation against the Reagan administration because there was a rumor that VP Bush few to Iran on an SR-71 to arrange the hostage release. Silly for a lot of reasons but there you go. Once they get someone sworn in, if they can trip them up on some niggling point they can slap them in irons for “lying”. Sydney would probably get slammed with ‘contempt of congress’ within about 30 seconds.
I do not pretend to have even passing knowledge of Congressional powers, but do keep an eye on the top level results of such activities. Whilst Filibustering and other attempts to intervene politically may get a lot of news in America, they rarely actually make much progress to changing things, unless there is some genuine flaw in the system that needs addressing.
So, yes, political squawking may result. But, as the ArcSWAT team are acting wholly within their units mandate, the rank and file can happily ignore it. Especially as it looks like the team are heading towards a vital public relations win, if they take down Vehemence.
One of the perks of being one of the rank and file is that Halo is unlikely to be called to testify. And, even if such an attempt is made, Maxima, as the ranking officer, could run interference and handle it herself. That is part and parcel of being a senior officer. Dealing with politicians is your job, not your subordinates. Unless you can palm it off on a General, of course.
Arianna and those politicians who supported the formation of Archon, in the first place, will easily be able to fend off any inane political gambits, before it becomes a nuisance to anybody below Maxima’s rank. And it would be like water off a duck’s back for her, as she knows it would amount to nothing, being built on feeble grounds.
I feel much of modern politics, in all countries, is just a forum to allow people to vent their frustrations at perceived or imagined inequities, without actually changing anything.
Ok is it just me or is panel 3 V’s aura being disabled, so he can’t feed from violence while he is being pinned, assuming they have similarities to the hypno boobs of Dabblers?
While it’s a nice theory- anything that depowers V to something resembling reasonable levels is a nice theory- I’m pretty sure that what was disabled there was his spatial-lock thingie. He turned the aggro aura off all on his lonesome; hopefully they’ll keep him to busy to think of reactivating it.
I’m still voting for an aneurysm, though, as the only marginally realistic way of stopping him.
The other thing the colour and symbols on the aura itself look different then it originally did when first revealed in https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1564
On note with how things end for V I would like to see a diplomatic solution found if V is after power wouldn’t it be a more viable option to join up with the force that will have the most conflicts to deal with. Like for instance V was just testing them to see if they were worthy for him to waste his time joining arc.
I do hope some uppence comes to Sydney for that sexist nonsense.
What, a joke about simple guys being simple?
Someone’s a little touchy
Nobody allowed to make jokes? This whole comic is sexist nonsense from a certain narrow, no-fun-allowed viewpoint. One for the boys is small beer.
Besides, boys ARE simple. As a boy, I take great pride in not being as stupidly complex as ladys
Ladies aren’t any more complex that boys, it’s just that they get less representation in stuff like fiction where we get most of our ideas about people we don’t get to personally meet from. Male characters’ motivations are explored deeply and attentively, while the deepest girls normally get is “she likes him for his personality”. Which is not how real life girls work. No wonder people get cognitive dissonance and whine about extra complexity :\
And re:sexism, given that this is inverting the normal in our society dynamic of “girls are too dumb for (math, driving, being in charge, what have you)”, I’d say this is nowhere near out of line :P
My following points are generalisations, but ones which are supported by the relevant sciences. Female brains develop more emphatically than male brains. This happens both at an earlier age and to a greater extent.
Male and female brains thereby have some traits which can be shown to differ in specific areas, such as spatial awareness versus multi-tasking capabilities. Males have to rely more heavily on the logical parts of the brain, as the emotive parts are less developed (remember this is a generalisation, and there are many exceptions to any such).
So males can readily understand males, as they rely on relatively easy to predict logical patterns, more than the complex emotive ones, that females utilise. Meanwhile, the logical parts of females brains do not atrophy. So it is not that hard for them to understand males. Whereas males have to struggle to develop their empathic side, in order to try to fathom the opposite gender.
Boys are simple. By comparison.
Another reason for her saying water main instead of sewer main, most supers won’t be able to break things a full 30 feet or more straight down. (This is where most sewer mains are broken. Try to imagine a hero attempting to slam through a wall 30 feet thick. Solid ram-packed earth, possibly even bedrock. Even Superman would have to hit repeatedly to get through 30′ of hardened earth (he’ll hit very FAST repeatedly, but still, more than just one blow). Water mains, on the other hand, are often not even 10 feet underground. More like 6 feet or something. So the water mains are almost always going to be the first set of pipes found and broken. (Well, technically, sprinkler/irrigation system pipes, but now we’re just getting nitpicky…)
Er, I meant, this is where most sewer mains are located, not broken. My point is, it’s very difficult to break them. Not impossible by any means (as it’s been known to happen!) but it requires the ground shifting, etc, etc. The first things to break, therefore, will be the stuff up near the surface, which is where plain ordinary drinkable water pipes are located…because if those break, you want to be able to fix them fast.
Also it is more fun. What is the point of having a high pressure line, so far down in the ground that it will just soak away? Much better to have it up near the surface, so that you can get pretty fountain effects, when it ruptures!
I think the big problem that people are having with V’s power generation has to do with definitions: So let me supply some:
vi·o·lence
noun
behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
synonyms: brutality, brute force, ferocity, savagery, cruelty, sadism, barbarity, rutishness
ag·gres·sion
noun
hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront.
“his chin was jutting with aggression”
synonyms: hostility, aggressiveness, belligerence, bellicosity, force, violence
hos·til·i·ty
noun
hostile behavior; unfriendliness or opposition.
“their hostility to all outsiders”
synonyms: antagonism, unfriendliness, enmity, malevolence, malice, unkindness, rancor, venom, hatred, loathing
mal·ice
noun
the intention or desire to do evil; ill will.
“I bear no malice toward anybody”
synonyms: spite, malevolence, ill will, vindictiveness, vengefulness, revenge, malignity, evil intentions, animus, enmity, rancor
The problem as I see it has to do with treating all of these things as being exactly the same. After all, you can easily see the synonym trees leading between them. But they aren’t. If it took nothing but the intent of doing harm to power V up, then all he would have to do would be to show up at a particularly intense school rivalry football game and sit in the stands. Let the waves of emotions wash over him and soak it all in. Then he could just use the energy to pump out the aggro aura and soak in more, push the aura more, soak in more, etc. WWIII, game over.
That isn’t the case. It takes more than just the intent. It takes the actions too. And the stronger the “output” from those actions the more he gains. Akin to the concept of potential and kinetic energy – he doesn’t gain anything (or very very little) from the “potential” or “intent” violence energy. He needs the “kinetic” or “active” energy.
Otherwise I would think Dabbler would be spending all of her time just sitting around the “adult” area of Times Square – or the red light district of Amsterdam or something.
Or you could just pay attention to what Dave has said about it. Word of God, he can get energy from a storm or earthquake, but violence with intent “tastes” better and gives him more energy.
In other words, Vehemence gets power from violent ACTION, not the intent. The “intent” alone isn’t absorbed, but it just adds a bit of extra spice to the action that he does absorb.
Very wel put. I think this confusion is also the root behind everyone here saying that holding him down would also be violent and give him energy.