Grrl Power #267 – Don’t worry, he’s got nothing on Frieza
Ok, NOW he’s growing. His size has fluctuated a bit just due to my art. Turns out drawing a really muscular guy like him throws off my sense of proportion fairly easily, but yes, now he’s all growed up. All upper body, though. Typical guy, right? To be honest his size may continue to fluctuate slightly throughout the remaining pages. He’s supposed to be about twice as big now. Turns out it’s even harder to draw hulk sized dudes the same size each time.
I really wanted this page to be a double, just cause I’m sure a lot of the comments will mention events that occur on the next page, but it has 13 panels on it and I couldn’t just couldn’t swing it.
#makecomics: The nature of sequential art can make for some weird word bubble placement. I needed Max to talk first in order to give Sydney something to react to, which is why Max’s word bubble isn’t right above her head. Normally you either arrange the characters in the order they speak or flip the camera around to put them in the right order. The problem this time was they were already lined up a certain way and I wanted to show their faces, so I couldn’t flip the camera. The more characters there are in a scene, the more complicated your character blocking becomes. The ballroom scene where the team interviewed Sydney was… quite challenging toward the end.
Edit: Whoops, I forgot his missing teeth, they’re back… or gone as the case may be.
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Womp wommmmmp. He was just getting bigger again. D:
The head is still the same size so at least he didn’t grow intellectually.
Keep charging him up! If he gets big enough that his head gets sucked down into his torso, we might have a chance!
Hah. Seriously though, I was sort of hoping he would do something other than get even stronger with it.
Like that’s not bad enough as it is?
see? HE DOES HULK UP
Hulk smash?
Of course it’s bad, I was just hoping he was manifesting his power another way. Maybe he doesn’t actually know how. … yet.
True enough. I thought he was going to exude vehemic energy causing everyone to fly off into fits of violence. Much like Dabbler’s ability to get everyone all hornied up.
When you’ve got a hammer…
Yeah, I was hoping to see something other than the most violent growth spurt ever. Yes, he’s still dangerous, but from a reader’s perspective, it did feel a bit ‘underwhelming’. I also see the irony of that statement.
Yeah, that always bugs me when they increase a person’s size. That is, that they make the head proportionately bigger.
Surest way to make someone look even bigger, in comics anyway, is to make the head smaller. I’m surprised he was able to do so from Dabbler’s action though. Firing a capture weapon is about as non-violent as it gets.
I have an idea that Math is the best person to handle this, provided he knows something similar to Aikido anyway. My guess is that Vehemence absorbs any violence around him, or used against him, but not violence he does himself. For example, he could absorb energy from all the attacks by Maxima but not from his own attacks against her, Aikido deals with redirecting your opponents attacks so it might be the best choice here. Just a guess though.
Nope, he explains this 2 comics back (not sure how to add links), any violence will do regardless of who does it or to whom. I assume it has to be done to a person or at least to a living thing or else Vehemence could just punch a mountain until he was all powered up.
And Dabbler didn’t trigger his change, that was something he initiated in the previous strip.
Adding links is easy:
The text you want to form the linkPosting examples can be hard though, so lets see how I did…Na… didn’t work…
Lets try again…
The text you want to form the link
If this worked there’s an example of how to format a link above. Just use <a instead of <_a when typing in your link and it will work. Also the title="" tag is optional, Just ignore it if you don't want a tool tip to pop up when hovering the pointer over your link…
D@mnitall! I can post links, but posting a description on how to do it is a bitch…
You type:
<a href=”Full URL goes here”>Link Text Goes Here</a>
for a link. The link becomes Link Text Goes Here
[and, Captain, you use “<” to replace “<” and “>” to replace “>” when describing it!]
Thanks!
On most boards the <code> tag works for encapsulating segments of markup tags, and I’ve encountered at least one comment board where the < > codes were interpreted just as if you had entered the regular characters…
Here I really do miss a preview function though…
(and odds are I failed in this post too… :))
… and if you really want the “title” tag:
<a href=”Full URL goes here” title=”Hover Text”>Link Text Goes Here</a>
The link becomes Link Text Goes Here
Actually, Vehemence can power up by punching a mountain. If he causes a rockslide, that’s even better because rockslides are violent…He can feed from THAT too.
The size of the cranium has nothing to do with intelligence. According to an old edition of “The Guinness Book of World Records” the largest brain in existence belonged to a congenital idiot. The smallest belonged to Anatole France, one of France’s famous authors. Crybaby has proven himself to be stronger AND possibly smarter than anyone else on ARCSwat. Bigger pants aren’t going to change that.
“…largest brain in existence belonged to a congenital idiot…”
That doesn’t mean that large brain size has no effect on intelligence…What that means is that, even though that person’s brain was large, it was also *malfunctioning* because of the congenital defect.
Vehemence smash!
He was running out of clothes to rip off dramatically like an old Italian man. He’s so happy now.
Ohh no he has gained the power to reach the upper cupboards,what should we do now?
Ask him to try and get something from way in the back of the cupboard beneath the kitchen sink of course!
You are evil! I think I like you…
Stop, just stop! The world isn’t ready for such cruelty!
Yeah, that’s cruelty on everyone that would have to watch him bend over…As tight as his pants are, as surely they MUST be…Well, I say NO to crack.
Pffff…. Every muscle-bound idiot has the same problem: they can’t reach above their shoulders.
I’m thinking Goku, And the Super Saiyan form he stopped using because it was too slow, now…
Still wondering why he was hoping sydney would survive the big fight. Does she have a power that could actually provide a challenge for him? Or does he intend to use her somehow? SO MANY AUESTIONS
Mental image of a Dwarves Vs Ogre fight, Ogre picks up nearest Dwarf and uses it like a club
I think he just likes her. Dude is not a total prick.
He’s not a *total* prick, but he is a BIG prick.
Or maybe not. Steroids tend to shrink the ‘nads. Who knows what his power is doing to him. This might be why Dabbler isn’t affecting this guy with her hyper-hormones of doom.
Well, he’s NOT on steroids, which means that whatever effect he gets won’t be due to steroids.
But I AM glad that, whatever effect his *power* is having in there, Dave isn’t showing us what it is…
What? You like cameltoe but we can’t get some sweet detailing?
Hulk Called, he’s coming to bust you up for Copying him.
Seriously though it would be a goos question as to who would be able to KO the other first. Violence vs. Adrenaline.
Thing is, it’s also a common thing that Hulk gets bigger and tougher the more he fights. I think ultimately that would trump Vehemence, since Hulk’s physiology gets more and more impressive during a fight and he can just keep pummeling, whereas Vehemence likely has to drain Vehemic energy to output high damage.
Also Hulk has a healing factor whereas Vehemence clearly doesn’t.
He may, but has yet to use it as it requires the concentration and expenditure of energy. I am strangely reminded of D&D 3.5 rules that state that in order to cast a spell in melee you had to succeed on a concentration check just to cast. Then, if it was a ranged spell, you would have pass another check if they managed to hit you with an attack of opportunity. You would then have to make more checks for every additional round/attack taken during the casting. (Though I may be wrong, it has been a while since I last participated in a 3.5 campaign.)
Casting a (non-swift action) spell in melee doesn’t intrinsically require a Concentration check, but it provokes attacks of opportunity, and if you take damage (say, from getting hit by an attack of opportunity) while casting you have to make a Concentration check or lose the spell.
You can cast defensively, which lets you make a (usually trivially easy) Concentration check to not provoke AoOs with your casting. If you fail it, you still don’t provoke, but you lose the spell.
Swift action spells don’t provoke regardless.
It’s really a matter of discerning the difference between an Active Defense from a Passive Defense: An Active Defense is like blocking a sword thrust with your shield; A Passive Defense like like having a natural resistance to that form of attack (like Magic Resistance). Active Defense requires awareness & action of an incoming threat, a Passive Defense allows the defender to simply ignore the threat.
When Vehemence shrugged off Dabbler’s sleep spell earlier, he blocked it with his arm (or with the tattoo ON his arm), which means that he used an Active Defense. If Dabbler tried to use her Lust Aura on him now, his very cellular structure being so highly charged up, might give him the equivalent of a Passive Defense against it.
Bane’s throwing a legal fit, as well.
But Vehemence is not using a drug, like Bane’s Venom, to bulk up. He is just using the power of violence.
Tell it to the juudge and jury. Heh.
Got that right. No matter what his power source is, the only thing that matters to a jury is what & how many crimes he’s *committing.* Regardless of being powered or not, the court & jury can only judge what he did, not what he is.
Figuring out how to keep him from powering up any more is of concern only to those who have to capture him & incarcerate him…And, of course, the general public if containment fails…
My response was for Bane’s civil suit, not the criminal court proceedings. For the latter case, both Bane and Vehemence will be held highly accountable.
Okay, so he didn’t really go super-saiyan on us…+1.
But now it’s like facing the hulk…bad news.
I think his parents put too much emphasis on him to eat his Wheaties…
I always wanted to know what Nappa would looks like as a Super-Saiyan… would that little mustache get all yellow and uber?
it’d poke his eyes out most likely.
that or he just wins because people are unable to look at his fantastically glowing dome.
Forget Nappa… what about Radditz?
I always suspected he’d be crushed under it… or evolve into some kind of golden Amarillo thing…
A succubus can project lust, right? So can a vehemic project violence? Is he patient zero of a hate plague? It’s a lot easier to instigate a riot than an orgy.
Ooooh, magic rage virus. Or just a city wide riot. Archon would have to pull back to deal with thousands of normals rioting, giving V the perfect chance to stroll off into the sunset.
they were expecting Zombies
That’s their problem in a nutshell right there – they expect ZOMBIES…
…when they’re supposed to expect NINJAS!
this is where the Spanish Inquisition make an unexpected apperance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4
I always expect them.
Unlike the others, Sydney knows better than to expect *just* zombies. Because of https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/346 panel 4, she “Always. Expects. Ninjas.” As a result, I’ll stay away from here because of what she did to that poor Shadow Boxer dude that got inside her shield earlier.
We already saw Dabbler use her power to get one of the other villains to fall in love with her and go do things for her. I keep wondering if he is immune to that or if they just haven’t thought to get him to fall for her and have her send him off to go do something sweet like picking a bunch of flowers or something equally non-violent.
I’m guessing that she’d still have to kiss him or at least have extended physical contact with him for that to work. That would probably be very dangerous for her to try as he can probably kill her with a single blow and she probably isn’t fast enough to pull it off without letting him get a shot or two at her.
That’s it! Dabbler, zap Vehemence with your super lust aura! He will have trouble thinking straight when all his blood-flow is going away from his brain and into another organ.
Do you *really* want to see V have his pants torn open? Hate to say it, but DaveB is already avoiding the need to put NSFW warnings up.
Me thinks you underestimate the propensity for humans to have sex. Seriously, rabbits have nothing on us…
I still think the only thing that keeps people from doing it in the streets is that it is frowned upon in most societies (and even then people still do it!).
Was expecting him to regenerate his eye. But no, he grows while one-eyed, thus evoking the Cyclops, thus giving the heroes a tropic path to victory. Like most villains, his empowerdness is starting to cloud his better judgment, thus setting himself up for ironic defeat.
He does seem to have regrown his teeth though. Or is it a drawing error?
Indeed, which makes it all the more baffling. Thinking game-y, regenerating an eye might be much more “expensive” than two teeth, so he might’ve had to choose between his eye and intimidating size. If he knowingly chose the latter, the hubris effect is in full force.
I’m betting a newly regenerated eye would be quite sensitive to light at first… if it weren’t for all the scratches / cuts on his skin I’d almost believe he has regenerated the eye as well, but is holding it shut against a sensation of blinding light on a brand new retina.
I’d say it’s more of a case that there were too many teeth to draw for this one. Seen literally. He no longer has as many teeth as he did, but the ones he has are wider
Or it could just be the fact the damage to the eye is more serious and takes longer to heal.
Whoops, I somehow forgot to draw them missing this time. They’re fixed. Or still broken.
FYI: Some blood under Max’s nose would be good too.
Just go ahead and give him shark like teeth, new ones pop down to replace not sharp. His grin and teeth are already pretty non human. Alternatively let him grow new ones, he had to generate bone to grow like that anyway. One frame of teeth popping back in or one of those footnote comments at the bottom “Wait when did his teeth grow back?”
A little Deus ex machina will save you trouble and bring back the full glory of his gigantic grin.
Well Dave, it looks like you’ve just subverted another trope…
You’ve inverted the saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” into “I fixed it, but it needs to be broken.”
…groan…
I actually chuckled at that. Good one.
It looks like he can’t move his arms much,before their movement is stopped by his muscles getting in the way.
Maybe Halo can use one of the orbs to make his nose itch.
I still think ARCSwat’s only chance now would be either empathically infusing him with Apathy or hit him with a lot of itching powder…to help hedge bets on the itching powder, douse it heavily with DMSO to make sure it *really* gets under his skin.
A lot of body builders in real life ARE like that…Too big to even clap their hands together.
Could be something to try for. Get the dude so bulked up that he can’t even scratch himself.
If he gets THAT big, then itching powder would only make him worse. He’d go into a destructive rage all over the city if he can’t scratch, but if he CAN scratch, his raging would be *self*-destructive.
Actually, I was speaking figuratively there.
Try again, shall I?
Get V so massively, unbelievably bulked up that pretty much ANY basic maneuver (walking, picking up or grasping anything, looking to left or right, actually hitting something/someone with his fists or feet, etc., etc., etc..) is well-nigh impossible because of the misshapenness of his body. Right now, I seriously question if he has any peripheral vision at all (always useful in close-quarters) or if he can do any fine manipulation (not necessary in a fight, but You Never Know).
So what we might ultimately end up with is this rage-fuelled wall of meat who can do nothing except just sit there and cuss – until either he bulks down OR they fetch something big to haul him away on.
Remember this is apparently the most powered-up V has ever been. I suspect that his power acquisition is starting to hit a point of diminishing returns here – there is only so much he can do with all that power as it builds up.
What happens to a battery when it is overcharged?
Overcharged batteries tend to leak acid, burn and maybe explode.
Yup.
That was the solution to the latest villain arc in Gynostar, and would be sadly derivative.
Bummer.
Is it just me, or does it look like Dabbler’s missing a pair of arms in the first panel?
All there save the one hidden behind her. Kinda thought we’d be able to see the nub of Maxi’s gun holster though.
Actually, I’m not surprised Max’s holster is hidden. Panel 2 on https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/320
Different outfit? Unless your point was how the heck did that outfit also hid the gun holster all the time she was wearing it? Two mysteries for the price of one!
No, look at what Max says in panel 2 at the link…THAT’S why we can’t see her holster here.
Sorry, not what Max is *saying*, what she’s *thinking*
Ah, its a joke…. sorry I got wrapped up in actually making sense. :-P lol
Sh’e two-handing the mummy missile.
That just sounds bad.
No, both left hands are holding the gun. It’s hard to see both of her right arms, because of the way she’s turned that side away from us. At this angle, it would be easy to see how one of her right arms would be covered by her torso…
…Major problem here…Every time my eyes get to Dabbler’s torso, I have trouble focusing on anything else…
Literally hypnotic, remember? :P
Huh? Did you say something? I was…distracted.
Yeah, they make an awesome pair, don’t they?
Also, I find anifreik’s avi is also hypnotic. ;p
…Every night of the month is a full moon…
ALL HAIL HYPNOBOOBIES!
Isn’t that pretty much all of them, though? Even the A-Team? (Don’t have the URL for that one)
Here you go
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/876
Always gets the highest ratings on TV, they do…
How do his pants still fit! What are those -made- of???
also… someone needs to make a “feeling bloated” joke
Pantium the strongest material that exists in superhero comics
Looks to me like Vehemence paid the 15 points for the Costume Advantage…
With a -20% modifier pants only.
A denim/plotium alloy
I always assumed that was whatever their bra’s were made off… (or whatever some of those super costumes have for bust support. Edna mode is damn good at making it seem “invisible”! or maybe… https://memegenerator.net/instance/44497099 )
He and the Hulk shop at the same store for pants it seems. And I for one am glad for that. I do not need the mental image of Vehemence ripping out his pants.
+1 on that.
Dr McNinja supplies us with an example of what would happen if guys who Hulk out lost their pants too
(hope its okay to post this here sorry if its not)
https://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/13p43/
It’s always okay to post doctor McNinja! Can you believe that some people haven’t read it?
Don’t worry about that comic. It uses very tasteful scenery and shadow censorship.
I’d like that actual image
Well, it looks like the majority of his ’embiggening’, if not all of it, was focused on his upper body, leaving his lower body pant-clad.
He buys them off the rack, right next to the purple pants…
Unstable molecules, from Doc Richards’ Crosstime Clothing Emporium.
Or he paid 15 points for the Costume Advantage from GURPS…But just for his pants.
Is it possible to hit him with so much violence he overloads and shuts down?
Possible, but unknown at this time.
What’s jumping out at me is panel 1. Why didn’t Sydney warn them against attacking him? It’s not like the Mummy Missile is very violent.
Should read “Why did…”
Yeah, it sort of seems like the ribbon gun thing would take more energy to break than it would give him, but I guess that’s not true.
They were whispering that plan to each other quiet-like while Sydney was lost reading TVtropes on her forearm device.
My guess is that Sydney is getting a line on how to counteract him.
He clearly gets his pants from the same place the Hulk does…
I just realized something. I don’t think punching Anvil counts as violence. That’s why he had a very pronouced “oh crap” face when he realized he punched her.
No, he was just trying to avoid hitting someone who could really hurt him before he hit this point, I think.
But she used that power to punch him in turn, so violence through proxy? I think it was because he thought it was Max, not Anvil, and he was genuinely surprised.
I would guess that since him punching someone powers him up far less than someone punching him does (he probably can’t even get any positive energy return from his own attacks anyway) that even with his strength already so pumped up hitting Anvil more than once with his level of power would quickly boost her up to a level where she overpowers his defence.
MidnightDStroyer posted a theory about this in the comments for the previous comic, on page 4 of the comments.
she tried…
Sydney appears un-threatened, does she have a plan or does she think she can just outlast him in her shield?
I still think she’s gonna try to suffocate him with a shield.
Somebody needs a hug! *huggles* ^_^
Sigh! Sydney would have to be inside the shield with V. She’d probably suffocate before he did, or at least before he turns Syd into a stain of tomato paste.
First page of comments & Capt. Obvious gets another trophy, Dr. Revenge passes out another sign & everyone who’s playing Peter Sadlon’s game takes another drink.
Why does everyone think that she would pass out before him?! I mean, clearly it’s a terrible idea to lock yourself inside an impenetrable field with the hulked-out Violence Eater (unless you’re Rorschach), but even then…
Sydney is tiny and weak and a trained SCUBA diver. Her body doesn’t burn through oxygen very quickly, meaning her blood oxygen levels even without her breathing won’t drop as quickly as a normal person- plus, she has training in holding her breath and being active in a low-oxygen environment.
Vehemence, on the other (huge) hand, is gigantic and made of Muscle- which even when not moving, burns oxygen- plus is all hyped up so probably is burning even more O2. I’d be surprised if V could hold his breath for even 30 seconds at this point without getting light headed, while Syd could probably hold hers for a whole couple of minutes.
If it was regular physics we were talking about this might be valid, but this is a comic and the guy has mystic super powers. We have no idea how much oxygen he actually needs now. Remember that there is at least one super who doesn’t need any oxygen at all… Achilles… So given that V can’t really be considered to have a human class physiology there is no way to know how he would react to something like this.
My guess, and that is all it is, a guess, is that you are right and V is currently burning O2 at a tremendous rate, but I still wouldn’t want to test this theory by sticking V and Sydney inside her Shield…
V may be burning through the oxygen a lot faster than Syd, but they would *both* still depend entirely on the same supply of it; when the air runs out, it’ll run out at the same time for *both* of them.. Vehemence, because of his increased endurance, might be able of resisting unconsciousness a bit longer than Sydney could because, in spite of scuba training, her body still requires air usage at *normal human levels* in accordance with how much physical activity she does. Scuba training doesn’t change the body-requirements for air, the training only helps her for *safety factors* with a limited air supply.
Besides, long before either of them actually run out of air, Vehemence could easily turn Sydney into a grease spot.
Since when does SCUBA training count as a low O2 environment? Or require holding your breath? You are using equipment specifically to eliminate the need to hold your breath, and that equipment often provides more O2 than the normal atmosphere.
Snorkeling on the other hand would provide the holding the breath training, for all those dives to check out something below the surface.
Since she’s INSIDE the shield, no
Well, I’m pretty sure his arms can’t reach his back any longer.
Glue Sydney to his back, use flight and shield orb.
That assumes he can’t do other things with his power now.
Downside would be, Sydney had to stay that way for some time.
They seem to like each other though, I think they’d surely find something to talk about in the meantime.
I think we need to turn the “why doesn’t Sydney project a shield over him” duplicate comments into a drinking game.
Then turn the “The creator said she can’t do that” into an eating game
Peter Sadlon has already turned into a drinking game…It’s included it in one of my above comments.
Well, at least you get a sign for your… trouble.
Her comic book sense plus her faith in the trained professional authority figures around her (Max was introduced to her by saving her and has done a good job playing the mentor all this day).
ANNND Here’s your sign
Charitable: Sydney is very courageous and masks her terror behind glibness and sarcasm.
Uncharitable: Sydney is straight up nuts and fear isn’t a thing she feels.
With observation of Sydney’s behavior through the comic so far, I think it’s pretty much a consensus that Sydney is straight up nuts.
But it a *good* kind of nuts! Not the “sit on top of a building & sniper at all passers-by” kind of nuts…It’s the good kind where she can *solve* problems instead of *causing* them.
Hm, I guess space is an option. Medium Earth orbit should hold him long enough to suffocate. Sorry V, you’re not giving us a lot of options.
Ya
New idea for defeating V… Challenge him to a game of truth or dare… he wont pick truth because you could ask “how do I beat you” when he picks dare, dare him to touch any part of his back…
… cant do it can he…
This made me laugh. Well done to you!
And the Evil just continues… Excellent!
fly ball and shield to lift him into orbit
Even of she could get him there without him killing her, she would have to release her shield to leavr hin there, exposing herself to the deadly conditions of low earth orbit, and even if she threw her shield back up she wouldn’t have any air in it for the trip back down. That would be suicide any way it turns out.
Oooooo-kay. Now everybody’s got an extra -3 penalty on their Saving Throw vs. Crushing Blow…
is that 4E IS IT?! *waves around a Dire Mace*
Geez, the idea of penalties to Saving Throws dates all the way back to the friggin’ Boxed Sets!
He has to be up to at least an 80% on his bend bars/lift gates roll…
Yes but can he F.A.R.T. at 80%?
He doesn’t seem to be much of the Thief/Rogue-type to me. Thug or Bravo perhaps, but they don’t deal with traps as much as full-fledged Thieves do.
That really was an unfortunate (and frequently hilarious) acronym.
He’s probably got a CON bonus right now that would make a Dwarf weep in envy.
Sounds like Sydney has a plan..
Especially since she seems so unconcerned about giga-V.
“TAAAANK!”
Easy fix. V still needs air to breathe so, just have Sydney project her airtight shield tightly around his head until he faints. Shouldn’t take long….
It has been well established (and much repeated) that SHE CAN’T DO THAT.
Not yet, anyhow.
Ok. Sorry for not having read all 3 million comments so far. ;)
I want to believe you…
You’re forgiven (maybe), but it isn’t hard to pick up this particular fact.
Just read ANY comment page for the last several.strips. There is at least two people per page who suggest this whilst apparenlly missing or ignoring the last 4,875,981 times it has been brought up and then rebutted.
Who wants to help DaveB write the FAQ? #1 would be “Sydney can only project her force field around her centered on her person (until comic XXXX when she leveled her shield and projection so that she could center the shield on the projected image of herself)”.
We’ve only discussed it on every single page of comments on every panel spawning comments of “why doesn’t she project the shield over him.”
Nothing major
Here’s your sign
Drink!
*KA-BLAM!*
I’m just waiting on Math to pull the akido out. Non violence bitches!
1: Vehemence feeds on any kind of violence. There doesn’t have to be any intent or even a living consciousness involved; he can power up with the violence from earthquakes, thunderstorms, etc, but how much he can get is also decreased over distance.
2: Akido IS violent anyway, as it’s main usage involves turning the opponents’ violence against him.
3: Math is out or the count, with a nose that’s in not-much-better shape than Maxima’s right now.
That doesn’t help against a guy simply reaching out, grabbing you, and squishing you. Which is what Vehemence would do to Math
Math is no threat to Vehemence, so Vehemence has no reason to bother attacking him, and thus, there is nothing for Math to counter.
And if Math jumps away, that just brings you back to the situation where Math isn’t helping
Vehemance took a sniper shot to the eye without dying. He punched the equivalent weight of the space station into the air. Sometimes, sorry Math, there is such a thing as “just human”.
Math is more or less made of fog in terms of how much he matters to Maxima/Vehemance level super beings.
batman punched darkside in the face, no reason why Math cant pull similair moves. It’s not like V has tits he can use to distract him!
(of course, one warderobe malfunction for one of his teammates during the fight and he’s paste.. kind of a high stakes game i’ll grant)
So is part of his power is to regenerate his teeth?
Presumably.
As much as he’s been showing off his grin so far (even with a couple of teeth missing), maybe he just fixed his teeth to help emphasize how satisfied he is with his current dentist.
So how does Vehemence’s growing work? Does vehemic energy let his overall mass increase in proportion to his new size or does his density decrease inversely proportional to his size as his total mass remains constant despite his growth?
Yes. ;)
Oh god his teeth are back. Nothing can stop his grin now.
And they’ve NEVER heard of this guy…who has obviously done this before. Good intel.
And since he coughs when exposed to dirt and dust, we still aren’t using tear gas, haven’t any topical/ ingestible tranks, and haven’t sent anyone to the hardware store for expanding foam insulation to clog nostrils, etc?
Ugh!
Are you SURE you want this dude to sneeze? Now?
Actually, I do want him to sneeze. You have to inhale a large amount of air to sneeze. So, put something very very sticky in the air pathways…..he coats his own lungs, which at a minimum will reduce his oxygen intake.
Or, possibly reduce him to a sneezing, wheezy mass…which is what happens to me, when I have a thin layer of mucus in my airways during flu and cold season.
And, even assuming that he doesn’t sneeze, the expanding and very sticky foam will block off some if not all of his airways.
Even if you only get his nostrils, and not his throat, he’ll still be damaged somewhat.
I personally would have broken out the household cleaning product bottles and he’d be breathing chlorine gas right about now. If nothing else, it would chase him off….
Maybe he was a circus act on his off day during the L.A. riots.
Or, until he was attacked directly his body did not grow. As proven by him drawing Sydney’s attention while he stood to the side and watched.
Taking in the energy doesn’t increase his side. Being attacked and taking it in does?
He’s puffing up like a cat in defense mode
Noting that, by V’s own admission, this is the most powered up he has ever been.
Could be amusing if he brings HIMSELF down – suddenly discovers a whole new set of problems and limitations at this power level that were previously unnoticed or seemed trivial.
You really think that shit’s gonna work on a guy whose CONSTITUTION shattered ribbons used for towing space vessels? I think we’re past that.
And now this reminds me of ‘Huge Quest!’ haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0wqhdZn4v0
Maybe vehemence is Huge #11? If so, he’s barely *begun* to get started. Quick! Find his half-bottle of pills & flush them down a toilet!
If he is powered by hate, all the ladies have to do is flash a bit of boob at him. Renders most men incapable of any thoughts other than “tee he he, boobies” and should help power up Dabler.
On the other hand, it may wake Math up. They may prefer V
He’s powered by violence, not hate. I really don’t want him getting horny in that situation. Unless it’s on Dabbler’s leash.
He’s powered by violence, not hate or anger. Besides, he’s not an idiot, and the countering force. To hatred is certainly not “tits”.
Stupid phone jammed a period in there. Bleh.
Give your phone some Midol to help relieve it of it’s period…
It worked on Chandler in Friends (the Thanksgiving Football game)
They could keep back and wait for him to use up his energy. Keep civilians out of harms way and lock him up somewhere quiet using minimal force.
was wondering if that was Aircraft Tape. (the stuff they use to Keep Wings on Planes. that stuff is suppose to be NEAR unbreakable, why not a Goop gun. on the face insead it’s tacky and very hard to pull off.
Myolinear ribbons used to tow spaceships, actually. Underestimating his strength at this point is just a waste of time.
Well, Dabbler did say she didn’t think it would work, but she’d give it a shot anyway. So I don’t think she was underestimating his strength, just trying what was at hand.
He’s probably reaching Maxima’s maxed out levels of strength, only thing more absolute in comic so far is Achilles invulnerability. The proportions on flexing => destroys myolinear cables, punching => … are the wrong side of hilarious. He could probably karate chop the moon in half.
Ya’know, if I fed off of violence I wouldn’t mind being a bigger target either.
“KANEDAAA!!!”
Sorry, I had to.
TESTUOOOOOOOO!!!!
Argh. Sydney put your shield over him and let him pound on it from the inside till he runs out of air.
She HAS to be inside her shield. He’d just pound on her until she let go of the orb.
Answer #1 in the FAQ (that I still have to write)
…which wouldn’t take very long at all since *one* of V’s pounds would be the ultimate Sydney-meat tenderizer.
*drink*
Here’s your sign.
Sigh!
I’m gonna have to come up with *something* I can give or take out of this…I’m feeling a bit left out, regardless of how many times I’ve already just said why that idea won’t work.
“Send a minion over with 10 crates of signs”
Here you can take over giving out the signs.
Well, my rank is Jonin & I’ve only got 25 Genin to work with…I’ll try to keep up with your 100 ninjas as best I can.
Ok, so it is established that he and Hulk shop at the same place…
What I would like to know is…balls (no , not Sidney’s).
Even with the super stretchy type something is getting seriously jammed against seams, and since he already showed concern about the situation, how is he handling it?
Is he Super-wedggie resistant?
CAN that be a power?
Well, he now has even *more* of a reason to get violent than he ever did before…If my pants got that tight, I’d be irritated into violence too.
Not entirely sure whether Vehemence is planning to actually destroy the superteam in earnest or not. On one hand, he could eliminate the biggest threat to his existence, and he looks pretty stoked at the idea. On another, getting rid of them would deprive him of his best meal ticket – he’s already said that the fracas at the restaurant has given him the best meal in ages. The latter option also plays well into V’s character, he has already proven himself to be a pretty shrewd customer.
I really think that V’s best plan would be to milk the current situation as much as possible but not actually destroy the team, then force them into other conflicts later that he could continue to feed from. Destroying ArcSWAT, militaries, or even the world all seem counter-productive: humanity in general is pretty hell-bent on violence, making Earth one giant vehemic battery, forever. I feel like Vehemence could use this fight, and all subsequent fights, only as a means to an end. So his otherworldly purpose could be to…I don’t know, conquer Narnia or something? Punch the sun? Establish himself as the lead user of emotion-based power?
The possibilities for storyline development also open up from here, instead of simply “punch the bad guy.” I like the idea of sealing his power first, a la King Raith from The Dresden Files: anything research-y would ensure that both Dabbler and Sydney get more screen time.
I think Sydney should just LightHook him up by the back loop of his indestructible pants and tow him into orbit. Hulked up as Vehemence is , I doubt he can the back of his own pants.
If she can lift him. If he can’t use his energy in other ways. And she can’t lighthook and fly and ahield, so sje’s also exposed to freezing cold and extremely low oxygen and powerful speed forces.
There is a possible solution for Syndeys three ball problem.
Sydney holds the Violator Orb and the Shield Orb. She creates a shield around herself and Maxima, and then snares Vehemence. Now Max picks up Sydney and flies her and their cargo to wherever the want V to go.
It’s untested and not guaranteed to work.
This could fail if…
The Hentacle isn’t strong enough to lift V.
If Sydney can’t fand a way to grip V where he cant get at the Hentacle.
If Max either can’t move Syd when inside the sheild.
If the shield won’t move with Syd when Max carries her. (We do know that the shield will move with Sydney when she is flying using the flight orb. But hey, these are mystic superpowers, we have no way of knowing just what they will do unless DaveB feels like informing us about it.)
Vehemance was dragging Sydney by the lighthook before, when he was a tiny fraction as strong as he is now. I bet he’d just casually fling it aside in his hulk state.
Walter once off the ground where is his leverage? A sneak attachment to Vehemence’s back belt loop and lift , since it is right at the center of gravity no amount of flailing should be able to dislodge the hook. Well I guess he could unzip, but I think that breaks a comic rule.
And yes Cpt Obvious I was thinking that Max would supply the flight for them. I have always assumed that Sydney was a team player and would use combos with various ARC members to take out the bosses.
If I had to take him out…pick up and throw For whom the death tolls at him.
HIS POWER. CANNOT. BE USED. OFFENSIVELY.
V has to somehow be thrown against For Whom The Death Tolls. The power is entirely defense/reflect
I don’t hate the idea. For Whom The Death Tolls ought to be able to defeat Vehemance if V attacks him. To make him attack FWTDT is the problem. Maybe similar to how they tricked him into punching Anvil earlier? Smoke screen and Maxima substitute?
Of course, they’d have to wake FWTDT up first, and he’d probably try and run.
Honestly, if you are waking up villains to help with this, Opal seems like the winner. Banish him to somewhere with no super beings, and ideally no people. Might need Maxima/Anvil to try and restrain him for it.
The problem with that is, it’s an offense attack directed at him. V wouldn’t receive the counter attack. He would be the counterattack that For Whom would throw back at the heroes.
Don’t worry guys. If you just wait for a little bit longer your V-Box will get a Red Ring of Death.
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Which in hindsight may not be a good thing for the team.
The actual reply I intended for here got *seriously* misplaced. The comment I meant for here appears on page 3 of the comments, but I included a way that you could “mentally” move it here, where it really belongs.
Whew! This qualifies as the kind of fix that I had to “pull out of my @$$” to make it work.
Believe me, RRODs are far more sinister than the Ring of Fire Sydney had, so it’s definitely not good in, well, any sight. :p