Grrl Power #264 – The team receives some bad news -OR- Oh crap is right
Yuuup! Do me a favor and imagine the dramatic music rising as they talk, then the sting right after Dabbler says “…violence” Dunnnnnn! In fact it’s probably best if you read the remainder of the fight while listening to some track from Two Steps From Hell, who are hard to beat when it comes to god damned epic music. Actually, listening to some good Two Steps From Hell tracks makes stuff like shopping for groceries feel a lot more life and death. If the comic was movie or tv show, I’d definitely use that gag. I do have some “audio required” jokes that I’m saving for the movie version. :)
Drawing a 50 person battle royale for my first fight was daunting, but this was a big part of the reason for it. I knew Vehemence would settle for nothing less, and now the team has unwittingly powered him up to the point that he’s capable of trading blows with Maxima. In fact actually trading those blows was quite helpful to him. Like a succubus, it’s good to be near the action, but much better to be directly involved.
As villains go, I think Vehemence’s powers are pretty original, at least to my knowledge. It’s a good part of the reason why genre savvy Sydney didn’t peg him before he gave it away. After I thought him up, I was able to come up with a few other antagonists with similar abilities though. Certainly a few entities from Star Trek fed on conflict or anger. War, from the Incarnations of Immortality books owed his godhood to ongoing wars, and Ares from DC comics is powered by conflict, but I think making it akin to tantric magic is more or less unique, so I’m pretty proud of him. It also makes me think of what other abilities could be derived from a normally intangible source of energy. An angel powered by charity? An Avaristic user, powered by wealth and greed? Straight up good or evil? There’s a lot of potential there, something I’ll probably explore a bit more in the Grrl-verse. :)
Boy that last panel took a lot of work, and I’m sure it’s missing many a scorch mark and crack. I know panels prior to this haven’t really shown the cumulative damage very well, and if I have some time I’d like to go back and fix that, but like I’ve said before, drawing rubble is quite tedious. I also would have liked to have shown everyone laying unconscious where they fell for maximum effect, but I already established that Harem and Sydney were carrying them from the field of battle and sedating them. There should be more flaming bits of Shawn’s car scattered everywhere and stuff like that, but I basically worked on the panel until I ran out of time and had to start coloring. Still, I think it carries the impact I wanted pretty well.
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I’m kinda bothered that Dabbler didn’t figure this out ages ago. Isn’t she supposed to be a super-genius? Really, the guy calls himself Vehemence and the kind of energy he uses is called “vehemic”. Oh well.
That’s a dabbler for you. They don’t focus enough on one thing to truly excel. Plus she fooled around too much in this fight as a big show off if Peggy is to be believed. Her genius is what is allowing her to even be useful in so many diverse things. (super genius scatterbrain?) Hopefully being on this team will prevent her from loosing anymore parts.
Technically the fight against Vehemence only started about 4-5 minutes ago, so it is perfectly reasonable that she wouldn’t have gotten that.
Hate to tell you, but a lot of geniuses are pretty much ADHD, plus with the fight going as quick as it was really didn’t give a lot of time to multitask.
Of course you’d kind of expected them to put it together when Mr. Googley Eyes, aka the Periwinkle Butt Sniffer, aka For Whom The Bell Tolls, proved to have a similar power. Every attack gave him the ability to counter it precisely. I’m actually rather surprised that Sydney didn’t put it together herself.
As to Dabbler, this could get QUITE interesting as she’s more a ‘make love not war’ type of super where he is more of a ‘make war, not love’.
To counter his power Dabbler opens a portal into another universe and out appears a submersible watercraft having the same color as Max’s skin. Four Brits hop out and take down V with a rousing rendition of ‘All You Need is Love”.
Hopeful V wont take over the lead as the blue meanies. than again they may just use a hole on him…
Well that explains the whole watching the fight before he jumped in quite nicely. With all that violence, well, he could wipe them all out and get a latte to celebrate. In other words, you Grrls better cut and run!
I’m guessing that now that Sydney knows the source of his powers, she’ll use her genre savvy to figure out someway to beat him. He may be even feeling guilty/tired of having such power and counting on it (which is why he hopes that she survives the night).
The key is this. Wake up the portal girl, hide her with the shielded tech people, have her portal Vehemence to the middle of the Atlantic ocean, where that giant trash pile is. Let him take out his violence on that.
Then recruit the portal girl and the telekinetic to ArcSwat.
Her name is Opal. Gah, had to look it up, but if she can defuse this situation with a smart portal, I think that might make it easier on her.
There probably is a reason Vehemey Ka-Cracked her on the head so soon other than screwing over every other villain there.
Any chance the villains will be added to the Cast section as well ?
That would be lovely when I find the time. :P
Speaking of New Jersey, I wonder if Dabbler knows anyone(?) from the southern part of that state?
Already been discussed a little bit: https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1533/comment-page-1#comment-264826
But Dave has yet to confirm or deny either of the possibilities mentioned there.
Unfortunately for me, the existence of those comments was one of those subjects of which I had been ignorant.
That’s why I supplied the link, because I know few people that read & re-read the comments as much as I apparently do.
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It’s not a matter of how many times I’ve read and re-read the comments, but that I sometimes miss or skip over some of them, which isn’t too difficult when there’s close to 800 of ’em.
The Comment Highlighter helps a lot.
Two questions are immensely pertinent…can Halo project her force field around someone other than herself, and is it currently strong enough to hold him?
A: No. This comes up fairly often. Often enough that it should probably be added to her cast page or something.
B: Probably, but that would be bad in light of A.
she can extend it but not put it around another without her in it
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1138
I figure if she levels it up again it might get that as a sub ability
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1166
However it isn’t known how much xp she gets for fighting and that level was because she had been blasted all day and stopped a nuke.
can she alter its shape? basically, open it up around both of them then smoosh it inwards in between them so it cages him while keeping her inside as well? A spherical figure 8?
I don’t believe so but like the alternate bubble it may happen if she levels her shield it would make more sense to have it shape shift before becoming a separate thing however.
Ok, it’s the little things that bother me. I’m sure this must have been discussed, however:
Where the heck are all the vehicles that should be in, on, or around this parking lot? The first time we saw the lot, the strip was aptly (lampshade) named “I guess everyone parked out back” but from this strip, we see the parking lot WAS out back.
Dabbler – its a fair clop.
Oh my god dude.
So. This is what it takes to reach you. After all the bad puns and wordplay I have tried, this is how far I have to stoop. In my defence…ok I got nuffin.
Hmmm…I don’t get any reference from that. Can someone toss me a clue here?
“Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.”
~Will Rogers
It’s a pun on the line “It’s a fair cop,” a bit of British slang meaning approximately, “Yep, you caught me doing something wrong.” Mostly known elsewhere for its heavy use by Monty Python, usually as part of their tendency to end scenes by having a police officer lead one or more of the characters away under arrest.
AND NOW YOU KNOW.
and noing is part of the battle
I never say no to new knowledge, but it is nice to *know* more, Dr.
Not all knowledge is good knowledge.
Knowledge itself is neither good or bad, only how it’s put to use matters. Actions speak louder than words & knowing what *not* to do so as to avoid causing harm is just as important as knowing what *should* be done to benefit people.
Arrgh! For the second time in my life I misspelled my own Netname! Don’t mind me,I’ll just stand in the corner & flog myself.
Please, for the love of God, no flogging in public!
As for misspelling your netname, I find using a text clipper (I use Fx + InformEnter myself, although there are plenty of good free ones out there) tends to put an end to that problem.
*Hands you a handful of wet noodles*
Knowing what Nancy Pelosi looks like naked, good or bad?
Horrifying! Brain bleach please!
Knowing that isn’t good or bad, but also knowing some techniques in self-hypnosis to set up a memory block on that image would be helpful…
Violence? I see no violence. Just looks like one hell of a party to me! Which by the way is why supers shouldn’t get drunk. *nods sagely*
Voice of experience? =OP
Yeah, that’s one helluva party going on…A real bash!
ok so cock rocket calamity would be a bad combo to use on vehemence, so how bout all
Harem naked group hug with a paralytic cunnilingus combo burst from Dabbler, that drain the violence levels is Maxima can hold it together, or Halo can just tickle Vehemence with the molesorb
Now Sydney just need to give him a Mega Glomp and that should be his Kryptonite, right. Violence = stronger. Kindness = complete loss of fighting potential.
not really, he was charging up for each act of violence nearby, so i would assume that he wouldn’t drain completely for only ONE act of kindness, but it might, possibly, weaken him a bit… therefore you’d need to commit multiple acts of kindness in his vicinity to completely de-power him… the problem with that is trying to KEEP him nearby without committing violence TO keep him there…
and another point to consider: just because someone is nice nearby to him DOESN’T mean that he loses power because of it… just that he won’t GAIN any power from it…
Just spare all the villains. Its a multi-kindnees thing in a second.
What if the consequences of what powers them up, powers them down? Tantrists would avoid pregnant women and babies, vantrists would avoid corpses (morgues, graveyards).
“vehemists, ” not “vantrists”
I went back & re read this from the begining of the fight, and it is extremely well paced. I wouldn’t mind if the fight didn’t end until February. about 20ish more pages
Well then- all they need is a super-powered monk to kick his ass. Dispensing ass-kicking with utter peace and control-
No. They are boned.
Heeheehee! It’s times like this, that Math would come in incredibly handy…see…there are such wonderful things known as Martial Arts, that have soft forms…circular action…peaceful motion. Counter without violence. >.> Problem is, does V there feed off his OWN violence?
Yep. He feeds on ANY violence. A rockslide, volcano eruptions, a predatory animal taking down prey for food, any violence at all. Violence with deliberate intent just feels better to him.
DaveB is the one who decided that.
DaveB said violence with intent also has higher quality or is more “nutritious”. So this fight was much more useful then just any old dynamite factory. Maybe (maaaybe) even crucial to reaching such levels fast enough to be able to use them the way he wants to use them before they ebb away…
ok here is another Sydney forcefield theory (hides from cpt obvious)
We know Sydney has many level ups for her pwoers what if she can make two forcefields in different sizes trapping Vehemence in one and protecing herself from him with other? Ofcourse this needs some way for Sydney to have a way to get air but I think Harem can be kind enough to bring her a scuba tube and sicne we know Sydney knows how to use one it would be interesting :P
Those discussing future possibilities need not fear the good Captain. Only those focusing on what it can do right NOW.
Yes, as the (fairly sure) original person to say she should get a scuba tank or something I agree with that part of the theory wholeheartedly.
Sooo, how come Sydney let her shield down for all but the picture part of this page, I mean if Vehemence charged instead of talked he could have flattened her
She can’t keep her completely airtight bubble up for too long, or she goes even more doo-lally than normal
And Fedorka likes her, he would not attack her, at least, not unless she attacked him first and none of the others were left standing
just cuss he likes her would not stop him from clocking her, he IS a villain after all and he clearly have no qualms about clocking women as Maxima’s nose can testify twice over about
I’ve got a feeling we’re about to see a hitherto unexplored power of Sydney’s orbs.
This is one of those fights that seems like it would be hard, but should be stupid easy with the powers available.
Easy mode fight – Max ups her speed till she’s unhittable (Vehemence may be hiding speed abilities, but he didn’t decided to dodge a bullet to the eye, so unlikely) and kick him, upward. Repeat till he’s in orbit.
Ditto for dropping him into the sea.
Ditto for Dabbler casting a spell of telekinesis on him. Or, since she’s apparently modelled on a D&D caster given her demonstrated spell list, one of the million tricks a wizard can do to target his weak saves (reflex and will obviously). IE: Sleep, ray of stupidity, etc.
Speedster drugs him through any of his several open wounds.
But I imagine the comic will go for some convoluted ‘power overload’ trick or some such to make things dramatic
Kicking into orbit: I think that Maxi is still trying to be in “non-lethal” mode
Dropping into the sea: Gotta get him there first.
Spellcasting ala Dabbler: She’s already tried her sleep spell, didn’t even make him drowsy. Bounced off, in fact.
Speedy the pusher: Don’t know if drugs would even work on him now, and the only speedster they have is Maxi, who probably isn’t seeing real well right now either.
Overload: I’ve theorized that he may not overload at all, just max out and either stop absorbing more energy or only take in enough to “top off” what he may be using/losing to entropy.
DaveB usually outdoes us all, so I’m looking forward to something completely outside the box.
Interesting power but…meh. Anvil absorbs energy and uses it to power herself up, so this is not really new. Completely leaves begging how this guy is not ruling the universe already; he spends a few days in the Middle East or downtown Detroit and he’s God-Emperor. Depending on how far you want to take it, you can’t beat him…ever. Even attempting to restrain him…assuming he doesn’t want to be restrained…counts as violence, and his every act to free himself will gain him power. He obviously doesn’t have to be the target of violence to power up…just be around it. I’m assuming he gets more of a charge if he’s directly involved.
So, basically, we have a GRRL POWER Hulk. Anger=strength, more you punch him, madder he gets until he can punch the ground and shatter the world.
Given the power ratings we’ve seen thus far, V is that question mark above Penumbrate, his Strength and Armor ratings at least a few bubbles over the 5 maximum. Just as tantric magic doesn’t rely on the physical act of sex, I doubt V has to rely on the physical act of violence. Wanting to punch something is probably almost as good as actually doing it.
Seriously, crown him God-Emperor. Since he obviously knows about succubi, he can’t be ignorant; just as a tantric mage can use that energy towards other pursuits than sex, he has to be able to use his vehemic energy toward other pursuits than just strength and durability. Even without the versatility, he’s stronger and tougher than Max already…and has had no difficulty with the rest of the team.
How do you beat the Hulk? Answer: you don’t. You just hope he gets bored and goes away…or trick him into going away. V seems a bit smarter than Hulk, though, so unless he has a glaring weakness like My Little Pony negates his powers, or his tattoos are the source of his power and any alteration of them disrupts the flow and drains all his collected energy…meaning anyone with a Sharpie can beat him…
Reading from the start of the fight, I have to say ARCSWAT has not distinguished themselves. Each member comes off kinda lame and stupid; not what you’d expect from a team that has been supposedly training for some time, with the exception of Sydney. Each one, excepting Sydney for the most part and including Max…has gotten slapped around like a used redheaded stepchild. Their `wins’ have little or nothing to do with their power or training, and more with dumb luck and Sydney’s geek chic.
Not the spectacular debut one would hope for on the day of their Big Reveal Press Conference. Pretty sure there’s going to be a lot of fallout…political and otherwise…from this. Even if it’s kept from the mundane news, I’m betting the people funding ARC will have lots of serious questions about whether their money is better spent elsewhere.
He takes damage and heals slow enough that he still has that damage several hits later. The less power he has absorbed the more of a lesser force can get through. So if someone like Maxima (or Peggy with her .50 cal) had opened up with their strongest attack as soon as he appeared on the scene he would have gone down and very likely have died spectacularly despite the juice he absorbed during the prolonged “lesser battles” previous.
My guess to his arranging of this whole super battle royal nonsense is that he can’t hold a charge indefinitely or even long enough to realistically get from a normally violent place to Maxi so he set it up to bring the Mountain to Mohammad. Once he eliminates Maxima and maybe a few of her stronger team he can operate safely on a much lesser charge on the turf ARC was to protect.
You. I like you.
The reason he is not ruling the universe is… because he doesn’t want to (and who’s going to make him?)
…and ruling the world would be a giant pain the butt. If one has near limitless power, would they really choose to spend their time with administrative work?
Reminds me of Deathworld 3.
For some reason I’m picking up on a DBZ style have a strong one hold him, and PPO to the chest kinda like the Raditz fight…
You really haven’t been paying attention, have you? All forms of violence powers him up
Sorry, I didn’t explain my thought process very well. Since it seems like a pretty powerful, but contained, shot, as opposed to Maxima’s Holy-Hell SuperNuke, which would level wherever they are, if the PPO burned through him faster than he powered up, you would just need one hell of a backstop. So everything that wasn’t being incinerated would be getting stronger, but if your liver is a smoldering pile of ruin, I don’t think it matters too much what you can bench at that point.
The PPO would have to be strong enough to kill him or seriously maim him or it would not be worth it as he would come back stronger. However if you had an attack that you were sure would kill him and then some at his current level then it would work sweet as he wouldn’t have the crucial moment (however many time cycles) he needed to “digest” its violent component.
Tis but a flesh wound.
well hulk runs on anger
gladiator runs on confidence
several character run on pain. or fear
…..there was a mighty max villain who was violence incarnate who couldn’t be harm by attacks.
There was the supergate-creation process in StarGate that was powered by the good guys emptying their arsenals so that the bad guys could come through.
I wonder how the Vehemence light show goes. White –> Green –> Yellow –> Orange –> Red?
It was a forcefield. The supergate need it a power source and they colapsed a planet to have it.
I thought they used the SG-team’s Naquada Bomb to kick-start it.
Pacing: You’re getting better at it.
Beings that feed on emotions aren’t so weird. /SPOILER ON/ In the Dresdenverse exist the phobophages (they feed on fear). In Proven Guilty book. /SPOILER OFF/
You do know that there is a tag for spoilers?
It’s written below the edit field
And there I gave it a spin…
No, I didn’t know. But after “SPOILER ON” you keep reading maybe you need other kind of spin.
just teleport his arse to the antarctic
Somebody tickle the moose with a feather.
Add some slapstick, he’ll be powerless in no time.
If we rated how awesome a page is by using the amount of comments. This one is a pretty big win.
And it’s getting even more awesome-ier by the second.
Told you we should have doused him with itching powder and let him disembowel himself.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/503166-thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine
A few people have touched on this, but none have asked the question. How can V know so much about Dabbler? Thurmion excitation, Aetheon thrones, and called her a succubus instead of alien or demon. How could “Succubus” be his first assumption if he’s never seen one before?
There is some next level stuff going on here that he’s subtly eluding to. I’m a little surprised the team doesn’t “seem” to be catching on.
I assumed he was a wizard. They usually go around gathering knowledge related to the gathering of their favorite source of magical power as they research new spells. Dabbler’s race’s method of energy collection is similar to one he wished to copy magically so they and related races were studied intently.
Who says he’s never met one before, Dabbles is hardly the only one
Observer: he is an innate user, which means he didn’t need to learn or copy it from anyone
Exactly my point! HOW does he know all this? There is more to him than has currently been shown. I suspect a lot more.
I’m more interested in who or whats behind him. He seems more the type to walk up to archon and kick the doors in.
even if he has the innate ability to use violence energy I would assume that it took practice and study to master. during that study he could have come across information on any number of super natural beings
Huh, I see what you’re saying. Really kind of surprises me though. He had such a strong magic user vibe to me for some reason.
if him got power from any violence even earthquake, very strong wind, hailstorn, vulcano…. Why he’s not the king of all the multiverse and killed maxima with the forst punch?
maybe now he can’t get more powerful and lose energy very quickly?
I suspect that’s where the bands/tattoos/glowing stripes come into play. Some type of energy storage device.
I would guess (until DaveB says otherwise) that he has a cool down time (based off of Dabbler not storing power indefinitely) and that different types of violence power him up differently. Non-intentional violence would give him little power, intentional violence not directed at him can give him more power based on distance and who’s fighting (normal people or super’s) (this could be similar to a radio signal, the closer you are to the source and the stronger the signal the more power that V could get), and direct attacks on him would give him the most power (this could also scale based on the power behind the attack, a child hitting him would give him very little power while Max would give him the most power).
When you factor in a potential cool down time, random non-intentional violence might not power him enough for him to threaten anyone. If he when to the Middle East, that violence is spread out put would power him up, then he would still have to travel somewhere to use his power (travel from the Middle East to the UN) .
This all out free for all with so many supers in such a close proximity with the most powerful supers directly attacking is powering him up to a level that he never had before and he might be within a reasonable striking distance of Washington, D.C.
Oh great, I thought he had a cool power but no, it’s one that can be countered in many creative ways. Would Vehemence be allergic to pacifists?
One of the super obvious and done to the death option is to just fling him into space. Pretty much anything that does not have a matter or (kinetic) energy generation power can be beaten that way.
Those that do have one of those powers will probably have to take a crash-course in orbital manoeuvres before they can get back to Earth, so you have time to set-up a reception.
that assumes you can do it. he may have powers we haven’t seen yet.
If he has some cool down period, I would wait until he drained off most of his power and then try to put him to sleep.
Before you Dabbler already tried this. When Dabbler tried to put him to sleep, he was already powered up, that’s like trying to tranquilize the hulk.
You down try to put the Hulk to sleep, you try to put Bruce Banner to sleep.
When V is powered down, I doubt that being him with a dozen tranquilizer darts filled with horse tranquilizers will power him up enough to off set the tranquilizers
Someone let me know when next page comes out so I can remember to ask the ubiquitous question about the forcefield. :)
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Thing is, Sidney SHOULD have understood the reference. Any true fan of Gary Gygax who has played by 1st edition rules would know about the Demi-lich. Any group of adventurers encountering a demi-lich would find a skull, some random treasure, and a pile of dust.
The pile of dust would then animate into a creature with a humanoid appearance. This being is quite dangerous, not only for the damage it delivers, but because it absorbs any and all attacks that hit it and grows stronger, swords, spells, arrows, doesn’t matter. It pretends to be hurt by these attacks, stumbling backwards, falling over, etc. but this is all just a trap to encourage adventurers to keep attacking it until it’s too late.
The REAL danger, however, is the skull with jewels in its eyes. At the slightest touch, it wakes up, floats up, and spends the first combat round scanning its environment, if it is not killed during this round (which is nigh impossible), it will, should it choose to do so, unleash a howl on the second combat round that will kill a random character, no savings throw. The third round, it will randomly absorb a character’s soul into one of the gems in the eye socket, for the purpose of devouring it, after which time, it will sink back down to the ground and go back to sleep, waiting for some hapless sop to wake it up again.
Why is the skull nigh impossible to destroy in one combat round?
1.) AC 0. Back when the lower the AC, the better. Means 50% chance of missing for a 10th level fighter.
2.) Nigh invulnerable to magic. Completely immune to spells that affect living things (undead) and 90% resistance to everything else.
3.) Weapons of +5 or better are required to do damage (A +4 paladin holy sword being the only exception), and they do the minimum.
4.) Completely immune to critical hits.
5.) Starts battle with 50 hit points. A sword, for example, does 1d8 hp damage when it hits. A +5 sword would only do 6 points of damage.
Later editions obviously toned this guy down, but it’s still nasty to encounter.
I wonder how one of them would do against Vehemence?
Well I do believe that Vehemence would become lunch for it.
By the way fake demi-liches are hilarious to pull on a party.
My dm only uses those for tpk’s when the campaign is over.
Btw 750th comment! I think this is anew record!
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And we’ll keep on posting ’til the end….
While violence makes him stronger, he has shown he’s not impervious to damage or pain. However counterintuitive it might be, the solution might be to keep attacking him until he’s either dead, disabled, or no longer has the will to continue.
Looks like it is time to move him to a more remote location so Max can REALLY open up on him. I imagine V wouldn’t do so well against whatever she used on that tank. Failing that, grab his ankle and head up into LEO and let him suffocate until he passes out.
Or you could realise that maxima is out of the fight, if only temporarily so for a few minutes. And maybe we could see some more tactics other than the idea of “max uses super power to wipe V even though she tried that already and failed” . Seriously it’s getting kind of annoying.
…Max is the field commander; she makes the call on level of force. And she is one of the two (maybe three) who are on their feet who can go overkill on V (Halo might balk at actively trying to kill V) The team cannot run and leave all the bad guys for V to free at his leasure-so, he has just signed up for a case of Wave Motion Sickness…
I just love how Syd can banter like with those capable of turning her into a stain and they barely bat an eye even get a chuckle.
Sorry but am I the only person who has any thought concerning the fact that V seemed to think Sydney was a Succubus? Does that mean he’s lusting towards her?
Yes. It was obvious he meant Dabbler especially after the throne reference.
I thought he was talking about Dabbler, not Sydney.
This may have already been brought up but it looks like Vehemence is moving up the spectrum as he gathers energy. If his tattoos follow ROYGBIV he should only be about halfway charged.