Grrl Power #259 – Dirty pool
I told you Maxima fights dirty. This is a maneuver her and Peggy had oft talked about but were never able to employ until now. In the previous page, Max and Vehemence were parallel to the street outside the restaurant, this page starts off with Max having her back to the strip mall. Imagine her pacing around Vehemence while they talk until Peggy gets them lined up and calls it in Max’s ear. It’s another thing I would have liked to have drawn into the page, but since this isn’t a manga and I’m not putting out 12 pages a week, it was a nice little moment of pacing I needed to cut.
Something else I decided to cut was the exchange that wound up with Concretia on the roof there behind Peggy. I’ll just say it involved a claymore and leave it at that.
Firing the Barrett on top of that air conditioner would be SO loud. It would be the loudener. The glass muffler of gun accessories.
I found a cool looking kickstarter that may be too late to save, but might be worth checking out if you like quirky RTS games. The elevator pitch is Robot Apocalypse vs. Cthulhu Apocalypse. Humans are the resources. The machines need ’em for oil, the Lovecraftian horrors need their souls. It’s called Human Resources (get it?) and has a decent pedigree of developers behind it. They need a cavalcade of support to make their goal at this point, but who knows, if they get a big boost today, then tomorrow maybe they get some gaming press which keeps them going for the big final push. If nothing else, their pitch video is pretty amusing so check that out at least. Edit: Welp, looks like Human Resources has pulled the plug. Their projection models weren’t showing anything promising and it was costing them time and money to run the kickstarter, which personally I find worrying since I’ll be running my own for the book in… a few… look, my ability to project the length of my story arcs is clearly something of a stat dump for me, but anyway a kickstarter is… in my future at some point.
I wish I had more time for games. I somehow managed to finish next week’s pages a day early so I indulged a little and got Injustice: Gods Among Us on steam and played through the single player campaign. I’m much more of a Street Fighter guy than a Mortal Kombat guy but it was fun enough, and the story was good, but it did have the problem of Joker getting punched through a stone wall then getting ground up by a mining machine and it only takes off 1/4 of his health bar. That’s the big problem with superhero fighting games (not that there are a lot of them unfortunately) but if it takes 1/4 of Superman’s health bar off, then when Harley Quinn gets hit by the same thing, there shouldn’t even be a molecule of her remaining. I know they had those super pills in the story, but the mining machine thing happened to Joker before he ever got his hands on them. If I made a superhero fighting game, I’d break the characters into tiers, and you wouldn’t be able to fight cross tier, or if you picked a lower tier, then it’d automatically become a team battle, like four vs one or something.
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Dirty pool indeed. Hard to call them heroes when they use such cheap dirty tactics.
On the other hand. While I’m surprised that the Dave used the eyeball of steel thing. I am at least glad that it did cause him some pain. Otherwise I’d have to call bullshit same as I did in in the Superman movie were it was first used. And while I doubt that shot took out his eye, it still had to hurt like hell.
Well, there’s some blood there so… I think it caused a little bit more than just pain.
I dunno. I mean, this isn’t boxing. There’s no referee. The villains are the only ones who are thinking of this like it’s some silly sport.
For that matter, Vehemence is the one who said to pile on against him. There’s hardly room to complain when he gets attacked by two people at once. Heck, he had no problem with it ten seconds ago when it didn’t hurt as much. To me, the only difference is that Peggy, who will die in a straight fight against most supers, didn’t announce her presence to the guy who could turn her into paste.
Like…offer a counterexample. Which of the maneuvers shown here is inappropriate? What kind of attack would have been honorable?
When putting down a criminal, there is no such thing as honorable. He get. hit hard and repeatedly and with escalating force until he surrenders, is disabled or dead. V wanted a game. He came to the wrong group for that. It has cost him some teeth and probably an eye. Time to quit while he still has most of his organs unruptured.
Snipers and use of them are always inappropriate.
tell that to the students who an insurgent was trying to sneak an IED into the school of before a sniper put him down.
Thus sayth the fool looking to get attention.
Violence as a way to settle disputes is always inappropriate. But if one is going to engage in war, always subdue the enemy as quickly as possible, by whatever mean necessary. “Rules” to war only serve to sanitize it’s media portray and make it publicly acceptable and even mundane. The resulting Casual War is far more offensive to humanity (and the soldiers).
There’s no honor or glory in combat. The key here is ‘live’ or ‘don’t live’. As a result, do whatever you can to make sure you end up in the former column, even if your opponent ends up in the latter.
Speaking as a martial artist, cheap shots are only unfair if they are in a formal tournament setting. They ban those sorts of moves because they tend to leave opponents crippled, which isn’t conducive to having the schools come back the next time. On the street? Getting jumped? Expect me to be so cheap Abe Lincoln will be giving change for that penny.
I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t gone a mile or so straight up with him and let him pass out from oxygen dep. Or, if she’s no longer concerned about taking him alive, all the way up to Low Earth Orbit. She’s got a forcefield. Him? Probably not so much. Suck vacuum.
Max wants this beatdown going out live and close up. V’s sole purpose to her at this point is to put an exclamation point on her speech after she blew up the test range. Incarcerated, In Traction, or Interred. If doesn’t quit now, he’s up for number 3 with a bullet.
I know that this is supposed to be a light hearted comic, but I think Vehemence deserves to die. He lost his magnificent bastard status as soon as the coat came off and got demoted to dragon. As the fight went on he lost that and is now just an elite mook or raid boss.
I know you want to keep the public debut on the heroes side and all but I think Vehemence is to great of a character to come back as measuring stick to show how the team grew, reoccurring character or suffer the worf effect. Leave the guy some dignity.
He can be avenged, a pawn or bait. Seriously, if Vehemence is just a pawn imagine what the other players will be capable of.
If the extent of his tactical skills is to drag along a mob of idiots like the ones we’ve seen, there has to be some brains running things elsewhere. I had assumed V was that brain, but his current actions show he is just a bully with an attitude. Which makes thating him alive, if possible, important. He may name his boss for nearly getting him killed. Or said boss could be the mind controller theorized earlier. in which case the pounding V is getting may break any control.
Fun Fact: in serious, fight-for-your-life martial arts, it’s all about the groin shots. Light up the sweet spot and leave them whimpering before they do it to you.
There is probably a reason she hasn’t done that. That being she isn’t as “super,” as she lets on. Besides you really think he’d just let her get that far?
And I disagree. There is always honor and glory in combat. To go otherwise would just make you a pathetic thug. A fact that Max and her cronies has both shown and proven.
So how much “glory and honor” do you ascribe to a mob that attacks a group of people who have done nothing more than gather together to eat?
None, if they lose
This is real fight, not some fancy gym.
If you don’t try everything possible to win in a real fight, you don’t deserve to win
if you have the ability to fight with dignity and respect against an opponent and still win it is best to do so or else you risk slipping into bully behavior, in this case max does not have that option V will do anything including kill which is easier than subduing so max needs to be willing to act in questionable ways to insure her and her teams survival possibly including kill V.
Pretty sure Maxima doesn’t consider herself a “Hero”. She’s a soldier and fights like a soldier.
Mean, efficient, and practical.
And a soldier hates a fair fight.
best way to get killed or someone you’re responsible for killed in war/battle
Oh, puh-leez.
This isn’t about scoring points or “playing the game” or whatever you think it is. It is about taking down a confirmed super-threat with as little collateral damage and casualties as possible.
To avoid offending your sensibilities, .I am sure they could have indulged in a prolonged knock-down drag-out fight spectacular. Trouble is that would almost certainly result in a heckuva lot more injuries and property damage than has already happened.
What ever happened to the rules of war, the sanctity of battle? There seriously need to be more leagues to notify people of the protocols and rules to these things.
“Sanctity of battle”?
V is an adolescent who thinks this is a game. Max is a Soldier (with a Capital S), and knows this is war.
Your planet must be a really really nice place..
‘Rules of war’ generally cover things like treatment of civilians and prisoners. When there is a real fight, they are, to borrow that famous line, “more like a set of guidelines….. “.
There is no ‘sanctity of battle’. Battle is frightening, vicious, messy and chaotic.
Please name which “rule of war” that Archon has transgressed. Vehemence wanted combat, he got combat.
Honor and Glory of Combat, Sanctity of War? I don’t know where people get the idea that Combat is supposed to be fair. The purpose of Combat is to help the OTHER GUY DIE FOR HIS COUNTRY. People really need to read Sun Tzu and Machiavelli to understand about War and how to fight it.
Hell, just read a history of WW1. Or watch Paths Of Glory.
….. Or the first five minutes of ‘Saving Private Ryan’.
First, this isn’t a war. The “rules of war” (by which I’m going to assume you mean the “laws of war”) don’t apply here.
Second, I’m quite certain you will not find any modern law of war that prohibits one combatant being attacked by two.
Third, heroes aren’t people who are “fair”; heroes are people who stop villains. Heroes should strive to be fair when they can afford it — that’s part of what makes them the good guys. But if being fair won’t stop the villain, then a hero who still refuses to be unfair is no hero.
Something has been bothering me. How did they stop concretia fully. How does one stop a non corporeal entity short of a couple of proton packs?
Some of the heroes have energy attacks, if they can see her when she’s non-corporal they could lightning bolt her.
Just because it doesn’t kill her, doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt – she may have just got fed up with being evicted! (Exorcised? Disencorporealated?)
That, or it costs her some quanta of ‘stuff’ to make a land grab, and she ran out?
You beat me to it – fed up or run out of super-steam were what I thought.
Who said they stopped her fully? Maybe she’s just been temporarily knocked-out/stunned/disoriented.
She showed a little common sense. Maybe getting blown up persuaded her to go home. Especially since she was never at the fight.
Wrong, she tossed Mr. Amorphous out the wall, punched Achilies through the roof, and then got her ass handed to her from Math. After the beating from Math she gets out of her body, makes a new one just to get a head shot from Peggy. So yeah, she was in the fight but probably got tired of losing to the “normal” humans and gave up after the claymore.
My error. That should read never >physically< at the fight. Very easy for her to escape once things went to heck. And Connie didn't seem like the sort for glorious last stands. Truly we don't know if the golem form has any resemblance to the person controlling them. The phased form is the same, but it still need not be her true appearance.
If Concretia could do that trick of hers an unlimited number of times, or even just an especially large number of times per day, then she would definitely be someone to fear.
Based on what we see, neither seems to be the case . Maybe her power comes from some kind of magical artifact that is only good for three uses per day, or from some kind of techno-widget that overheats or runs out of juice if run for too long. Maybe her mojo runs out with repeated use, or she simply gets too tired.
Maybe it just hurts like hell, and maybe it’s not the kind of pain that you can get used to.
I really hope Peggy has some super tech hearing protection. Between the claymore and firing a gun that’s touching a sheet metal box (that box would amplify the sound like a speaker box) she’d need more than standard ear plugs.
Seeing as Dave called attention to it I’m assuming there’s some explanation… probably… that may or may not get expositioned in the future. If nothing else, they have multiple casters on their payroll I’m sure they could devise some super special magical sound cancelling ear buds. Or Peggy’s just a badass and says, “Pffft, who needs a sense of sound?”
There are expensive in the ear sound protectors. They fit like a hearing aid and are as hard to spot from any distance. If Peggy is using them she feels the Barrett fire more than hear it.
Meh, their doctor has healing powers.
Blowing out your eardrums hurts. Just ask Jiggawatt. Besides Peggy needs to hear to coordinate her moves.
Either way I’d love to see her walking around going “mawp” after the battle.
Heh? WHY would she be doing whatever it is you are describing? for that matter, what IS it you are describing?
Trying to clear your ears. Get hit by a loud noise and they feel stuffed up. You keep yawning loudly in a futile effort to make the sensation go away. And they ache to boot. Do it once and you will never voluntarily do it again.
Not signing doo-wop?
Maaawp, maaaawp, mawp, mawp, oom bah oom bah, mawp, mawp
*signing = singing
treacherous fingers that refuse to type correctly.
Doo-wop music in ASL? Now I think I know how V’s head feels at the moment.
It was an Archer reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tekhh7Iy-sM
not quite all that high tech really. the military have some that allow you to talk clearly both before and after firing an M2HB(and peggys Barret fires the same round as big mamma) from inside a big metal box. and they don’t really stick out of your ear that much.
Well, congratulations, Dave; with this one page (assuming Vehemence doesn’t get back up and go on for another three or four pages), Max has undone everything she’s been working towards since the press conference, because there is no way in hell anyone is going to see her as the biggest, baddest super-being on the planet anymore; they’re going to see her as a pussy little bitch that needs cheap tricks to win against a “real” opponent—or words to that effect.
This is not to say that the smart enemies out there won’t understand that she’s still a very effective/dangerous/nasty enemy, just that the perception shift this fight will create will now have them thinking along the lines of “Oh, wait; she isn’t that tough if she won/had to win like that! Great! That means all we need to do is eliminate her team first and then [insert “big gun” name here] can take her out, no problem!” The dumb/egotistical ones, on the other hand, will simply think they actually do have a shot because “Hey, it’s not like she really beat that Vehemence guy, right?”
So yeah, not too smart on her part, there, given the image she was trying to achieve no less than one page ago, not too smart at all…
you do have to remember that at this level of superfight, a sniper bullet to the eye is as effective as sand in the eyse normally.
It would be nice to see some consistency among Maxima’s critics. If she had beaten him single-handedly, people would be crying about how overpowered she was and how she was grandstanding. If she gets help from her teammates (you know, the people who are supposed to be there for that very purpose), then it’s her fault if her future opponents see her as weak.
Um…they are separate people, right? The folks who want the individual protag to be less powerful and the ones who want her to be effortlessly superior to the antag are different people, presumably.
What you are noticing is just the fact that commenting sorts for disagreement. No matter what the good (or bad) guys do in a given comic some percentage of the audience will communicate the following:
1. I disagree with how this fiction reflects on my pet political issue. Let’s talk about how this reflects on the real issue, which is….
2. A character or group within this narrative is not behaving optimally. Look how smart I am for noticing that!
3. That’s not a realistic depiction of some aspect of reality. In the ‘Real World’ paramilitary hero teams would work like this…
and on and on. Maxima (and Sydney, and Math, and Vehemance for that matter) will get flack for everything they do or do not do forever. The heat isn’t really generated by them, its the simple product of the “submit comment” button and the tempting white space above it.
The misuse of comments to talk about pet peeves isn’t the real issue here. The real issue is the hungry kittens in Guatemala.
Just introduce cannibalism to them.
Kittens, I’d like you to meet cannibalism, cannibalism, these are kittens.
My whole point was that I keep reading criticisms of her choices with what appears to be little understanding that not only does she not have any perfect options that are going to satisfy everyone, but she has to make such choices during the heat of the battle without time to think through which one is the best. Sure, there might be drawbacks to taking Vehemence down this way, but there would be regardless of what she chose to do.
I have criticized her for past strategies and because of that I made a point of expressing how much I love the current action which is a decent chunk of what I felt was missing before. Its just when you saw my warm fluffy post your eyes were pleased and slid on past but when your eyes saw negative posts they were sliced and stabbed by its cold prickles and you stopped to investigate the source of your pain! XD
I think the image she was going for is she will pick you apart, using whatever means, and permanently disable you if you decide to take her on. She’s a super soldier, not a caped heroine. And honestly, eliminating her team, not easy since when there was someone who was starting to actually do that she stepped in before they got “eliminated”. And the dumb/egotistical ones already think that after the press conference, this changes nothing.
And honestly, what the hell are you talking about? They will see the aftermath, not how it was done. They do not have a clear third person perspective from the other side of a fourth wall that highlights everything that’s going on in a convenient webcomic format, except maybe that one guy who actually has that power. Vehemence is there and he probably doesn’t even know what just happened. All he knows is Max threw up a weird hand sign and then he was in a lot of pain, it’s not like she waited ten seconds for him to react to getting shot in the eye, she followed it up immediately. As far as he knows it could just have been her using her super speed to poke him in the eye, or some other undisclosed power, before throwing him and knocking some more of his teeth out.
Agreed, Vehemence has no one to blame but himself if he expected Maxima to cooperate in the creation of his dream engagement.
After this engagement Arianna will have Max appearing in a public service video.
“Hi kids, when participating in a sport, working with power tools, or doing battle with a supervillain, always remember to wear safety glasses.”
Even Captain America is not above using dirty tactics to win a fight. I’m not even talking Punisher level – Captain America will use a gun, and will use sneak ambush tactics if needed. And he’s the archtypical ‘good guy hero’
Her point isn’t that SHE’s the most powerfull being in the world and you shouldn’t mess with HER.
It’s that her TEAM is the most powerfull in the world and you shouldn’t mess with THEM.
+1.
+2.
+1 more
I have to +1 as well. Besides, regular people can’t see the bullet. If they do somehow put two and two together they’ll realize sniper. Which isn’t a wimpy tactic at all. I don’t have a problem with the Maxima critics, but at least make a good point.
And in a fight, there is no cheap. Honor was something invented by knights who didn’t want their all powerful plate armor destroyed by arrows.
Or shanked by a steak knife.
Or whacked in half by a ground pounder with a halberd.
Maxima’s job is to kick asses. Arianna’s job to make the team look good. There are no press or camaras present, ergo Arianna can sell this fight the way she prefer. They can put only the “photo finish” all the bad guys on the ground and the less scratched of the team in the back ground making the superman pose. Or just the phrase “vini, vidi, vinchi” or whatever she like. Today press put the news in the angle they want, why no Arianna? She already put the bank job in motion just to favor the press conference.
The press is across the street, watching already. Ari is there spinning like crazy as well. https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBKMEbHd89o
I expect something like this to happen to Poor V
Hitting a nerve cluster leaving him incapacitated?
I think the brain counts as a nerve cluster.
More like, screaming in pain and spurting blood while Max explains the facts of life to him.
I really, REALLY want him to try charging Maxima and have Sydney trip him AGAIN.
“Fooled you twice. Shame on you.”
No, if that happened, Sydney would try and trip him, but he will be ready and pull her in close
Or she could just, I don’t know? Use her PPO after aiming it in a desire able miss=no casualties direction.
Except that the last time she used it, the only reason it didn’t kill some off the press (random bystanders) was because Maxima was able to deflect the debris, and she wasn’t able to properly aim it
And then…KISS!
Given his crazy teeth, would that count as her “jumping the shark?”
I like it! One of the (ostensibly) “weakest” members of the team, possessing no particular superpowers, lands (arguably) the decisive blow.
Unless this guy is one of THOSE kinds of villains, and he’s almost never truly defeated because he’s really got a lot more up his sleeve. I kind of hope not… those guys can be so tiresome.
> I like it! One of the (ostensibly) “weakest” members of the team, possessing no particular superpowers, lands (arguably) the decisive blow.
Is this a veiled hint that maybe Crystal’s gonna beat Zandra in the upcoming ZG fight? :O
(Sorry to bother you when you’re commenting on someone else’s comic, I’m just psyched for the current story arc.)
Hmm… well, I hadn’t intended to make any hints, but it’s a definite “conceivably!”
Oh, great. Like I really need another webcomic to archive dive. Although I think it was one I was already reading before my last computer crashed and burned before I had it bookmarked.
(Wanders over to investigate thee new-to-her web comic!)
Don’t worry, he left his sleeves behind a while back.
Well, I don’t know if you commenting here was an insidious plot to gain more readers, but it worked. Four comics in and I’ve already laughed out loud twice.
The problem with heroes fighting dirty is that it tells villains that they can throw what little honor they possess out the window.
The villains knocked a hole in the ceiling and picked a fight with the heroes.
The could have just leveled the building, killing the entire restaurant staff, the customers, and anyone on the team without some sort of super resilience.
Watch Star Trek “The Savage Curtain” (Season 3 Episode 22) sometime.
Here’s a bit of the transcript from near the end.
ROCK: You are the survivors. The others have run off. It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. However, you have failed to demonstrate to me any other difference between your philosophies. Your good and your evil use the same methods, achieve the same results. Do you have an explanation?
KIRK: You established the methods and the goals.
ROCK: For you to use as you chose.
KIRK: What did you offer the others if they won?
ROCK: What they wanted most. Power.
KIRK: You offered me the lives of my crew.
ROCK: I perceive you have won their lives.
+1
Noting that there are a great many things that ARCHON would not do. Take hostages, kill “inconvenient” people on the sly, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc..
“Fighting Fair” is for sporting events, which this is not.
While what Archon did may have been “dirty”, I don’t see how someone could call it “dishonorable”. If nothing else, V brought this on himself.
Fighting is fighting. Anything goes. Honor is what you do before and after the fight. Two examples. Lure an enemy into a trap well away from breakable civilians. And not shoot your foes one they finally, truly quit.
Except he hasn’t shown himself to be a threat to anyone of the squishy variety. He just wants a challenge. Not exactly worthy of an execution.
It isn’t an execution for several reasons. The biggest two are as follows:
* It’s been established by the hits he’s taken that level of will hurt but not kill him.
* Dave has gone on record he has little intention of killing any characters as it sets the wrong mood for a superhero slice of life that relies heavily on comedy.
You forget the part where he’s the one responsible for this little super villain battle royal, which directly injured/knocked out several of her team members, and indangerd the rest, and indangerd several squishies
Noting that Vehemence had:
(a) Clearly stated his intent to fight all of them, right at the start of this confrontation;
(b) Refused or ignored multiple requests to surrender or come along quietly.
So saying that he had not shown himself to be a threat is grossly incorrect. And as others have already pointed out, no execution either.
Isn’t this the first time (maybe 2nd) that he has been asked to surrender slash stand down?
Minimum 2nd:
“Surrender.”
Vehemence breaks her nose. Witty line.
“No srsly, Surrender.”
Given that he literally attacked her between them, that definitely counts as two tries.
Doesn’t look like she told him to surrender before that, though the opening banter between them was basically,
“Just making sure: You’re not a good guy are you?”
“Nope.”
“Just checking.”
While she didn’t open the conversation with him with a direct demand of surrender she did give him plenty of opportunity to back down.
if no one called it BOOOM Head SHOOT!
That’s keeping your eye on the ball…er, bullet.
I still think that, based on his earliest interaction with Sydney and how he stopped the other bad guys from leaving, Vehemence is harboring a secret. If I had to guess I would think its that he’s some kind of super team tester. He’s testing their ability, effectiveness, resolve, mentality, etc. against an ultimate life or death challenge. Furthermore if that’s how it is, my guess is the ones who sent him would be the upper echelon of ArcSWAT, the ones in the shadows. May have thought Maxima had gotten a little too cocky and/or wanted to make sure they had an effective deterrent to her.
Sorry Maxi, but you are still on the loser side
Only if you think all “heroes” are idiots. Cue “Dark Helmet” quote…
I have a feeling I’m going to regret asking this, but how so?
[Dark Helmet voice] Because good is… DUMB…{/Dark Helmet]
Maybe so, but at least in this case, it looks like evil is getting its posterior handed to itself.
Going back to the last page: if ‘normal’ people’s blood is iron-rish, why does blood taste like copper? (came to me when had a real gusher of a nosebleed this morning, much much more than the usual pressure-bleed, if had a container it would have filled a few dozen millilitre’s)
Hemoglobin requires copper as a catalyst.
Copper? Never thought about it like that. I think that copper has a really bitter taste that is quite intense, and to me is not really reminding me of blood. What does remind me of blood however is iron. That has the right metallic taste and very little of the bitterness of copper.
I always thought it tasted more like rust
I’ll go eat a bunch of copper, iron, and rust and get back to everyone on my findings, since everyone else here apparently has done this so as to know what copper, iron, and rust taste like. :)
You don’t have to actually *eat* that stuff to know what it tastes like, ya’ know. Your tastebuds are on your tongue, not in your stomach.
And some common metals can be a bit poisonous. Copper is quite bad in this regard while iron isn’t much of a problem if you happen to ingest some. But to be safe just taste and spit. And whatever you do do not start chewing on any lead. It might not kill you, but lead is bad in so many ways that it’s not worth taking any chances.
Now you tell me, 30 years too late! Used to eat the BB pellets from brothers’ friends’ air riffle (think still have a box of them somewhere)
Copper coated lead. Lucky for you, all things must pass. Usually to quickly to do permanent damage.
That’s two teeth down.
50 dozen to go :P
So V has More Teeth than the Osmond Family? (sorry, troping again)
This reminds me of that one scene from that superman movie where superman’s eye stops a bullet.
Vehemence you are NOT Superman!
You are correct: Fedorka is not a boy scout (wait, neither was Supperman…)
Actually, yes he was
https://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/01/31/comic-book-questions-answered-was-superman-the-big-blue-boy-scout-ever-an-actual-boy-scout/
Zoomed in close it looks like the bullet probably lacerated the eyelid. You see it a lot in boxing and the spray when he’s hit is similar.
It is likely that he reflexively closed his eyes so that only his eyelid is bleeding.
It still hurt like hell.
Don’t sniper bullets go supersonic?
Unless his reflexes are fast enough to SEE a bullet heading straight towards him (doubtfully), the first time he even noticed the bullet was when it hit him
If I remember correct more than three times the speed of sound.
The lightest touch on the eye could set off the blink reflex. Even if he didn’t see the bullet, the first touch would bring the lid slamming down. Being faster than human didn’t help since that would be when the eyelid tore. The eye itself may have just been pushed back into the socket and rebounded causing the bullet to bounce. That means V will have a bloot shot eye to match Sydney’s after the noodle incident.
One problem with Maxi and Peggy gang-banging Fedorka: next time he won’t ‘fight fair’ either, and there will be a next time
He helped orchestrate a major battle which has seen a lot of people on get hurt, and (amongst other things) he betrayed the side he was supposedly on.
Explain to me, please, how he has been “fighting fair” up to this point?
He’s exhibited super speed and strength, but has deigned to fight mano-a-mano with whoever came to HIM. If he wanted to fight dirty he’d beeline past all the durable supers and literally kill people like Peggy who would not have the reaction speed or durability to survive his attacks. This would likely enrage everyone remaining in ARC-Swat, and rage filled combatants make sloppy mistakes.
He could blitz through the row of his sedated allies, and rip off the locator beacon/sedative pumps in an effort to bring some of them back into the fight on his side.
He could turn this into a running fight – where he only had to face one or two members of ARC-Swat who could keep up with him at a time. Assuming he could win those fights this would allow him to slowly crush ARC-Swat while negating their teamwork and numbers advantage.
Sure – he may not be fighting fair, but he’s not fighting as dirty as he should if his only goal was to crush ARC-Swat.
not sure /never daveb confermed it was super but he was faster for his size/power set than expected by a normal person
Multiple “Could be’s” doesn’t really answer the question.
He has been playing his own game all along, which has never been about being nice or playing fair.
The fact that he *could be* fighting less fair should be sufficient to show that he is at least fighting *more* fair than not.
I hope not. He’s to great of a character to deserve that fate. He shouldn’t have to be the vegeta to maximas goku.
Him dying isn’t that bad. He could still be avenged by someone, a pawn to a big bad with the real resources to get the others into this or just bait/test rat for a bigger threat to prepare, analyze and engage.
“He could still be avenged by someone…”
Oh God, help us all if Vehemence has a Big Brother…
… Or sister?
Or watch out for his MOMMA!
From what I’ve learned in the married life, when Momma’s not happy, NOBODY’S happy.
Human resorces sadly is DOA
First thing I thought when I read “claymore” was the sword, not the mine. A claymore mine makes more sense but I just can’t get Peggy wielding a two-handed sword out of my head. Either way it’s awesome.
Funny, the first thing I thought about with the claymore is that since she is already missing a foot, it would make an incredible amount of sense to have a claymore charge shaped into the “foot” that she can fire like a press-on shotgun (like the things the diver’s use on sharks only supervised).
Concretia closes and laughs at the ‘feeble attempt to kick by a normal’ … “Boom” and Peggy resumes her sniper stance with a slight smoking appendage. “Feeble this sugar”
Spellcheckers hate me: not “supervised”:: Super-sized
Yeesh
Cool idea, not sure how practical it actually is but damn if it ain’t effective. “Boom-stick” seems an appropriate name for that leg, if it ever exists.
Strapping explosives to your stump isn’t something I would normally pair with “makes an incredible amount of sense”. :p
Speaking as someone with a prosthetic foot… no. Just a flat “no.”
A boom stick charge using a 12 gauge slug would be pretty effective . With the tech and magic available, sh might even be able to use something along the lines of a shaped charge, whether conventional cone or efp dish. Probably too excessive, but the expression on the face of me “brick” who just got kicked by the skinny human girl as he looked down at the hole in his chest… or maybe even funnier, he was fast enough to grab her foot… now h has a huge hole in his hand, and while he stares at it she brings up her gun…
And now I want to combine your two ideas: Consider the prosthetic leg intended for running, that basically looks like a curved strap of metal that acts like a spring? Now consider one of those with a sharp edge that can be wielded like a sword in a pinch.
Your ideas are infectious. No I can’t stop imagining the comic with a claymore lying next to her.
I think the point that Maxima is trying to make to all the would be baddies is that this is not comic book land.
There ya go.
I kinda hope he’s not going to go down this easily. It’d be a little anticlimactic.
Who says he is down?
As of the last panel of this page, V’s fate is still up in the air…
+1
DaveB don’t worry about the Kickstarter… seeing as you are consistently the #1 to #3 spot on TWC every month (slot depending on voting times) i do not foresee any problems with said KS… those guys for Human Resources failed partially because they were asking for $1.4 MILLION… nobody wants to spend that kind of money for a game in this economy. if they had asked for half of that, MAYBE they could have gotten it fully funded, seeing as how they were already at $380K.
i seriously doubt that your comic will need THAT kind of budget to get printed… take a look at Gold Digger: ~12K, and Evil Inc., they only needed $10K, heck, Girl Genius got 200K even though they were only asking for 55K… i foresee the same thing for yours, you will ask for X and get a LOT more than that, just don’t go overboard with your stretch goals and add-ons, that’s almost always the downfall of campaigns that make it big, because they were TOO Successful… do your research BEFORE you submit the KS campaign, there have been PLENTY of comics put to print for you to get info from, most of the time the people doing it don’t give timelines that ACTUALLY work IRL, due to things like holidays at the printers, the weather affecting the slow-boat-from-China making it even slower, etc… how many times email has to be sent back and forth to correct glitches, and then getting the proofs and they suck… and the backers get spun… but you know what they say… It’s only late until it ships, but it’ll suck forever… so take your time and OVER estimate timelines… then when (if) it gets done early you’ll make everyone extremely happy they get the book EARLIER than predicted…
As someone who helped design more than 25 KS campaigns…scantrontb’s right.
The important thing is to:
Make sure your KS campaign is asking for exactly enough that you won’t lose money if you get it – sometimes that means researching a company that can do a short-run (200 copies at almost no profit margin) if it doesn’t go far. Thing is, while it’s not ideal, being able to say you’re only looking for $10k when $50k is ideal…well, lowballing is pretty great because hitting your goal early and finding out how high you can fly in the following 30 days tends to end you up with more money overall than hitting your goal just barely, right in the 11th hour.
The stretch goal thing is hugely important. Keep track of what you’re offering to add and make sure adding it doesn’t increase production costs by any notable degree. Adding extra art pages to the end of everyone’s book is pretty good for stretch goal material, since its increase to your material cost is almost nil – You do the work once and it gets added to everyone no matter how many people jump on board. If you try to stretch by adding more and more miniatures to a board game, then if your math’s a bit off you can lose money on a campaign precisely because it’s a huge success, which…well, it just hurts.
Another recommendation: Split your stretch goals between cash goals and publication goals (this many tweets or facebook shares/likes). A lot of your loyal fans will totally help market you like mad, given half a chance. Give them a chance AND an incentive and you’ve got the perfect storm.
And when I say “perfect” I mean “made of dollar bills.”
And that last bit from scantrontb is super-true: Definitely under-promise and over-deliver, when it comes to the timeline of printing, especially if you hope to do another KS for another book.
“…Definitely under-promise and over-deliver…”
Heh. Here’s a well-known example of that:
Kirk: Mr. Scott, do you always multiply your repair estimates by a factor of four?”
Scott: Of course, sir. That’s how I maintain my reputation as a miracle worker.”
“…just don’t go overboard with your stretch goals and add-ons, that’s almost always the downfall of campaigns…”
Oh, hell yeah. One of the main decisions faced in nearly any business is: “I’ve got huge potential for growth here. How big should I get while I have the means available?”
If you’ve ever heard of the allegorical story of The Big Fish in a Little Pond, the lesson it teaches is that growth is only sustainable in accordance with the surround environment that provides the means of growth. Any time someone tells you that something is “too big to fail,” know that they’re either lying or deluded; that “big fish” can only get as big as its environment can allow & once it gets to a certain size, the food supply available in the small pond has a limit on how fast it can renew it.
This has always been true all through history & even applies to made-made constructs & institutions. Even whole nations & empires collapse when its government grows too big for the economic “environment” that feeds it to renew & sustain itself.
Best strategy I can come up with (& you can heed it or not, at your choice) is to take careful accounting of what kind of “environment” you have & figure out what kind of growth you can *sustain* until you reach the limits. Or even safer would be to grow in small increments, making sure you can sustain the new level without straining your resources. I’m just describing what the phrase “sustainable development” actually *means* regardless of what some people *think* it means; those are the people who are at the head of failing companies (& a failure in government too!) & they are NOT good examples to follow.
Would Peggy even set up, though, on a surface which at some point might begin vibrating heavily? What happens if the compressor in that thing kicks on just as she is pulling the trigger. The vibration might not throw the trajectory of the projectile off much, but it would certainly make the image in the scope jitter…
Love your comic, btw. I’ve got around 30 webcomics in my RSS feed, and when you update, yours gets saved for last!
I’ll suggest two things: First, Peggy (dear gawdess .. peg-leg Peggy who pegs things from miles out) uhmmm, I was where ..? Stupid ADD.
Yeah. First: Peggy needed to take a high position to cover the area, so choices are limited, especially needing cover so she doesn’t get spotted easily. Pragmatic Peg, if you will.
Second, the building has taken massive damage, to the point it’s pretty amazing it’s still standing. The chances that power is still functioning for the facility are pretty minimal and make it a good bet. The AC suddenly starting up to cool down a well-ventilated structure are the least of her worries at the moment. She’s taking a far greater risk that the building will collapse under her.
If you mean the restaurant, it’s completely gone actually
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1386
Peggy is setup down the street
In a post on the second page of comments SFCGator posted about Peggy using an air conditioner as a shooting table, and both Butch_S and N0083rP00F had plausible explanations of how she could make sure it was shut down.
There’s one little detail you put into that last panel that I absolutely love love love love love. Maxima, being female, is throwing a punch with her right arm, and her RIGHT leg forward. Unlike men, who punch hardest with the opposite leg forward (i.e. throw a punch with the right, the left leg should be forward if you’re not square to your opponent), women need to throw punches with their SAME leg forward.
The power in the punch, you see, comes from the hips and shoulders lining up by the point of impact, making the torso square, solid, and strong. Guys, because their thighbones are set shallowly into their pelvic sockets, can do this best with the opposite leg forward. Gals, because their thighbones are set deeper into the pelvic socket, waste up to 50% of the power of their blows when they try to throw a punch with the right fist but the left leg forward; their body literally shock-absorbs the blow. HOWEVER, if girls throw punches with the same leg forward, their torsos line up shoulders over hips, they do NOT fight their own body movements, and their punch can be just as powerful and effective as most guy’s. (This is where the fallacy of “girls can’t hit as hard as guys” come from because everyone tries to teach girls to punch like guys…and that’s why girls “fail”–they’re literally being taught to punch the wrong way, so of course they’re not going to deliver their full power; it’s getting eaten up by their own body fighting itself.)
So here we have Le Brilliant Artiste showing Maxima in a CORRECT-for-her-physiology power punch stance. Shoulders squared over hips, nothing binding up, she’s delivering 100% of all the power she can give into that punch…and as any guy who has sparred with a PROPERLY for-her-physiology trained female fighter can tell ya…gals CAN hit pretty damn hard!
*This information comes from The Armored Rose by Tobi Beck, duchess-by-right-of-arms in the SCA (that means she literally beat all the other guys and gals in armed & armored combat to win the right to sit on the throne of her local kingdom in that medieval society). It’s available through Amazon in trade paperback (larger than typical paperback novel) size, and you can order it through other book retailers, too.
So major, major kudos for showing Maxima in a proper power-punch stance!
That doesn’t sound plausible. I was curious, and I didn’t find any studies on Google Scholar that agreed (or refuted) that point, which makes me think it isn’t true. Interestingly, there are some resources that suggest that reduced female punching power is related to a relative deficit in throwing ability.
Actually, it is true. I tried the difference myself in self-defense class, and the instructor (judo) was forced to admit that I WAS punching a lot harder with same-leg-forward; I actually rocked him back a full step with the same-leg-forward technique versus opposite-leg. Moreover, the book explains that a woman needs to throw a punch with her last two knuckles (pinky and ring finger knuckles) so that her hand and forearm bones line up properly so that she does not break her hand (which explains the microfractures I got in karate class years earlier…and the whole “you punch like a girl” because I was fighting male-style, opposite-leg-forward whenever I punched.)
With a guy, if you put a pencil in your hand and make a fist, the pencil sits at a 90 degree (right) angle from your forearm. With a gal, the natural fist, it sits at roughly a 45 degree angle (pointed “up” halfway). This is why girls should not focus their punch on the first and middle finger knuckles; we will literally break our hands throwing a punch full force. (Microfractures, but still.)
As for the punch-and-leg thing, you can literally see it when you put a guy and a gal side-by-side next to each other in black outfits, and put tape across their shoulders, natural waistlines, and hipbones, at their elbows, wrists, and knees. For most females, the torso is shorter than a male’s, and their thighs are longer. On a guy, the waist is lower, longer torso and shorter thighs. (There are excellent photos in Tobi Beck’s book illustrating this, using male and female models who are the exact same height from scalp to floor.) You can infer just by looking at the two, side by side, in similar plain clothes with the natural waistline and hipline outlined, that they will be moving very differently when it comes to anything between the shoulders (same height) and the knees (same height), because the waistline and hipline are different between the two genders. More than that, there are photos which show how on a guy, opposite-leg-forward allows him to align his shoulders over his matching hipbones when he throws a “flat snap” (swordfighting term, but basically the same as a shoulder-high punch), versus a female. Her body twists where his does not, because of the way the hipbones socket.
If you’re fighting this idea, thinking it’s wrong, then I can pretty much peg your gender as male, Someone. To most males, it DOES feel like I’m saying the wrong things. For a MALE body type, this information is indeed wrong. As it would feel like it’s wrong to any female who has been trained in the ‘male’ physiology methods for years–a female that has learned to compensate, but she’s still twisting up and her arms, legs, torso are all bunching up and literally cushioning the force, absorbing some of it, if she’s fighting opposite-leg-forward.
You have to put your mind into the actual body of a female, to think about what WILL get in their way. Seriously? One of the FIRST things to ‘bind’ on my body when I try to throw a punch with the opposite leg forward is my boobs. My inner bicep brushes up against one of those (I’m above average in size), and the moment bicep contacts boob…the boob absorbs some of the energy my arm is attempting to deliver. Think about THAT for a moment, then think about how much more room I have, how much more unfettered freedom, and no ‘cushion’ in the way, to throw a punch with the same leg forward.
To get the same effect, a guy would have to throw a cross punch from right shoulder to left shoulder…and even then, he’d twist so that his thighs crossed, in order to keep his hips and shoulders “square”…but with a female, because the thighbone socket is set so deep, the legs cross that much sooner (plus on a lot of females, there’s more flesh on the thighs, so they ‘touch’ even sooner, even on really fit ladies, unless they’re skinny sticks). The moment those thighs touch, THEY absorb some of the force you’re trying to throw into your punch. So uncross the legs on a female, and voila! Punch-o-rama power. Unfettered, free of entanglements, and able to deliver every last erg and oomph to the target.
Stop thinking that females are built exactly like males–literally, the skeletons are different (they tell males and females apart BY the pelvic bones and how the thighs socket into them), the way the muscles and ligaments and tendons attack are different (a male’s power-strike is an overhead blow, coming down onto their opponent, whereas a female’s power-strike is whipping up from below, striking up into the buttocks in a “wrap shot”, like the motion you use throwing a bowling ball), the hands are put together differently, and so it WILL be different, physically, physiologically, between the genders.
The only problem is, there’s such a strong mythos (and it’s just a myth, it isn’t true), that “girls can’t fight as well as guys” that most people–females included!–fight the idea (irony included) that they CAN fight with strength and power. They simply have not been TAUGHT to do so, because for millenia, guys have believed that only the way guys fight is the only way that can ever be taught as a fighting system.
That’s kinda like saying “the only martial art forever and ever and ever is anything that came out of China” when krav maga, capoeira, escrima, even kickboxing, all originated elsewhere and can be very effective against the Chinese martial arts, when wielded in the hands (and other body parts) of someone properly trained in those techniques.
Hrm… now I want to punch things to test this theory!
If you’re female, please read the reply I wrote to Somebody, so you don’t break your hand inadvertently!
Also, I am not responsible for any damage to anyone or by anyone for following this information! It’s your choice to wield what I’ve related. I’m not forcin’ ya to do anything other than think things through via the differences between female and male physiology.
I don’t understand the “fighting ethics” nonsense. She’s military. There is no fair, with the possible exception of the Geneva Convention. Unless the superbaddy signed the Convention, it doesn’t apply.
The whole idea of fighting ethics are ridiculous to begin with.
There’s ‘obeying the law’, which is one thing. There’s ‘excessive force can get you in trouble and might not be morally justifiable’, which is another.
But ‘fighting ethics’? No.
I’m suddenly imagining the conversation between Arianna and Maxima after this battle is over:
Ari: Great work out there! The video already has over 20 million hits!
Max: Psshh. That was nothing. Just wait till the Real villains show up.
Ari: Uhuh, uhuh, One thing though… We’re going to have to change your uniform.
Max: …What.
Ari: Yeah, the focus groups were unanimous. You have to wear belly tops from now on.
Max: …WHAT?!?
I don’t think the person who’d actually suggest such a thing would actually survive…
Yes, we do, but we are in hiding for fear of our lives from the GEoD :P
Oops! Thought you said ‘exist’ not ‘survive’ :(
Seriously, when Maxima put her hand up, I was thinking, “why is she doing the Moon Prism Power stance?” Silly me.
The moon may forgive you, Vehemence, but Maxima will not!
nerd cred if max got the idea there
If my guess of her age is right she was a kid when Sailor Moon hit US TV the first time.
I think that might be a One Hit KO, because look at the sonic boom. It’s his head that’s breaking the sound barrier, not Maxima’s fist. She hit him so hard his head is breaking the sound barrier, so hopefully he’s down
wait, your name is DAVE! your drawing skills have improved sense SBAHJ.
If you are fighting fair, you are playing a game ( even if a deadly one) not FIGHTING. V is an immediate risk to everyone within at lest a block, and announced that he instigated this attack, which could easily have killed multiple people.
As iI understand the law, In my state, even a civilian is authorized to use lethal force against someone to protect another who’s life is threatened. Example. Freak with axe screaming and charging young couple on street. If a bystander with a ccw draws and blows freak’s head off, it would be considered justified use of force. Now, due to the technicalities of use of force laws, if he deliberately shot the freak in the kneecaps, the bystander could be charged with iirc assault with a deadly weapon, because the threat was obviously not imminent, if he had time and opportunity to aim for a non-lethal shot.
If he had time to aim for a clean headshot, he had time to aim for a non-lethal shot
Let me preface this by saying I’m not a lawyer, so take this with a huge grain of salt.
It’s a bit more complex than that. That point of view makes sense, but it can also be argued that you didn’t truly fear for your life/the life of the person you’re protecting, meaning you did not feel you were in a life or death situation and thus should not have drawn your gun and shot the person. I’ve heard you’re just not supposed to even draw the gun unless you honestly think you’re gonna need to kill someone, and if you do have to shoot at someone, aim for the torso, which can be enough to stop the other person.
Gun laws can be weird, I wouldn’t recommend getting into a situation where they’re gonna apply to what’s going on.
I’d just like to point out that very few people get into situations where gun laws will apply intentionally. Most of the time, it’s by accident (wrong place, right time). Barring the police and military, of course.
The headshot was, I suppose, an exaggeration. As tannen mentioned, even drawing unless there is an immediate threat can be a crime, and center mass/chest is the normal target.
Maxima wins by KO!
Hmmm, now he’s lost 2 teeth, and Dabbler’s sword cut him (but not deep), so he can take some damage. I’m assuming that a .50 cal to the eyeball will at least cause watering / blurry vision and probably a black eye.
Max’s powers + martial training with Math + teamwork with long timers of the team VS Vehemence’s just raw brawling (so far)… I don’t see this lasting long or… plot twist incomming!?! (getting popcorn, this is gonna be good).
That’s why it was used as a distraction
Maxi used Distraction… it wasn’t good enough
DaveB: if you make that game, count me in :D
Max has Concretia hair in the last panel.
Also reminiscent of Jessie of Team Rocket.
Oh noes, she’s POSSESSED!
I’m surprised peggy doesn’t use a gun with higher armor pen than a XM-500, I would have expected someone to use a more powerful man portable gun, such as a Berrett XM109or for best result against targets with high armor or who are far away the Steyr IWS 2000 which uses APFSDS round (and yes it is a infantry carried single user (ie not like a Browning M2 which requires two to properly use) cannon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_IWS_2000
The easiest explanation is weight. It has already been established that the XM-500 is at the top end of Harem’s payload. The Steyr at almost 40 pounds and the XM-109 at nearly 34 are both over the limit of what she can teleport, even if she was buck naked. But who knows, Peggy might have one or both of them stowed in the Osprey. :D
The limiting factor here is how much weight Harem can teleport with her. The Barrett was near the edge of her limit, so much so that she considered leaving her boots. The Steyr is far heavier, 18 kg compared to 11 kg, which is right at the twenty-five pound limit Dave mentioned, IIRC.
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Ouch.
Out of curiosity, why doesn’t she go speedster and kill him with bug bites? Maybe Exhaust him…
I guess to send a signal to other supers. It is more impressive to deck one with one hit in one second than with a thousand hits in ten seconds.
Unless you turn your enemies to meaty slurry. That is probably just as impressive.
Combat is different in real life to a movie or video game. Their in a fight for life there are 2 outcomes.
1) you live and protect others
2) you die and/or you fail to protect others
In combat, there are some things considered foul, by international treaties and standards (WMD, Chemical Weapons, intentionally shooting civilians, hiding behind civilians, ect). Max is only trying to end a hostile situation in the quickest and safest way possible, against a dangerous and unpredictable enemy.
Ya know, I’d been sitting there thinking we hadn’t heard from Peggy in a while, and she doesn’t seem to be the sort to be just sitting there doing nothing during all of this. And she has that hand-totable cannon with her. And I’d been thinking it sure would be nice to try to put one of those rounds into his eye, if she were a good enough shot, or into his ear hole to see if there’s a soft spot in there.
And then I said, I keep suggesting stuff like that, and everybody says it’s not superhero type behavior, and they’re not out to kill anybody if they can help it. (why not?)
So I figured, nah, they’re not going to try to put a round into MuscleBrains here. And then they do.
Ya just can’t win ;)
And that’s two teeth missing now. MuscleBrain is not somebody whose teeth I’d have to go in and fix, especially a prison dentist. Hey, can I deal with three or four murderers with meth-mouth instead?
I always thought it was idiotic for supervillains to expect the heroes to fight honorably with non-lethal and a chivalrous code of conduct. If someone is trying to murder you, FIGHT DIRTY!!!
Ya’ know, I think V has watched too much Dragonball Z. Isn’t the whole series mostly about super-level fighters running around, trying to challenge each other just to see who’s tougher? That’s describing Vehemence to a “T.”
If V manages to go super-Saiyan how would we know? He doesn’t have any hair to change color.
Show me just once where Fedorka has tried to kill anyone?
Opal? He knocked her out to stop her from absconding with all the fallen
Chiapet? He told Maxi before the fight that he may need medical attention
Wart? After removing him from his foot, he left him alone
Anvil? He tossed her away after he had shown she was no longer a challenge for him
So please, tell me where you get the impression that Fedorka is ‘trying to murder’ anyone?
Two come to mind. He does not know the limits of Sydney’s shield nor does he know if Dabbler can take a punch and he’s swung hard at both.
actually it was “chiapet” that V was willing to kill beating down and it was an after thought to see if he needed med help. V tries to match force to target limits but isn’t bothered if he over estimates.
If he wanted to kill Chiapet, he would have hit him in the head
V has made no active attempt to kill anyone. But he does not bother to gauge his blows. He slapped Onyx unconscious and punched Vektor hard enough to send him flying. No intent to kill, but no care if someone happens to die as a result. His directing attention to Vektor was more an act of intimidation to keep the squishier people away. Or maybe anger Max by his attitude.
That’s kinda like saying it’s okay for someone to run around with a handgun and shooting people in the leg/arm/shoulder. So long as they’re not trying to kill anyone it’s all cool right? Sure someone can die from bleeding out or the guy misjudging and hitting a vital organ/the head but so long as he tells people that they might want to get the victim to the hospital it’s all good.
Ps. DaveB has compared the use of super powers to the use of firearms/weapons himself hence the comparison.
He didn’t say it was OK he was referring to the original posts saying V was going around deliberately trying to murder people.