Grrl Power #236 – Recon
I’m rather fond of this page. I think it’s a pacing thing, especially that middle panel where the two of them are just watching. I also like how the guy in the fedora is totally nonplussed by Sydney standing next to him. I mean the more recent North American definition of nonplussed, which is to say he is unsurprised or unperturbed by it, and not the original meaning, which is so surprised or perturbed that you don’t know how to react. So it’s a word that means the exact opposite of itself. I guess that qualifies it as a contronym, like oversight can mean oversee and also overlook, or left can mean depart or remain. (The artists have left, the writers are left.) So. Those are handy.
Maxima told Sydney that the yellow orb was to remain classified. Obviously Sydney took that to mean the truesight function of the orb and not the illusion function. If she’s wrong about that there may be a lot of pushups in her future. There are anyway, but you know, extra.
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A question for Mr. Barrack: Sydney’s two unknown orbs, do you know what they do and just haven’t released the info? or are you not yet sure what you want them to do? you may be concerned about creating a superman-esque power set for Halo, meaning she can do virtually anything with very few limitations.
Na the extra orbs and the grids are future growth of her powers with out having to do something as contrived as her finding more orbs. He can write in any sort of power under the idea that she just needed to be in the right headspace for it to activate like the PPO its not just grab and go.
I know what they do. I reserve the right to change them if I think of something better, but I already have plans for them.
Plans within plans within plans! Mwahahahhahahah! *evil twiddling of fingers!*
…Or, as was said before, “fingers set to maximum steeplage.”
“finger pyramid of evil contemplation” XD
“Exxxxxxxxxceeellent Smithers!…….Excellent!” mwahahahahahaha
The Matryoshka doll of planning (or the onion?)!
Planception.
No, bad. *hits Jace Draccus on the nose with a newspaper* No.
Deus ex machina! Deus ex machina!
Sorry, just getting you prepared for protests whenever you reveal what the other orbs do.
“Dues ex machina” involves an Asspull (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Asspull).
Since we already know they are part of her superpowers and she is just lacking the manual, this would not really fall under Deus Ex.
Thank you, but having had a decent English prof, I’ve known what a deus ex machina was long before Al Gore invented the internet (I also know that that’s a complete myth and that many argue that the “i” in internet is supposed to be capitalized, although those nuggets of information reached me by sources other than my English prof). I never said that I would object, rather that others might based on past accusations against DaveB regarding, e.g., Dabbler’s gamma eater.
However, you miss the point; it wouldn’t be a God From the Machine.
No, since I know it wouldn’t be Deus ex machina. Others, judging by the past history of their comments, might not. I wasn’t arguing that they were right, just that they were likely to complain about it. I even mentioned this point (which you missed) in the post:
Infinite storage space, summons creatures/warriors, magic, manual, prison space, bigger on the inside batcave, plz no time travel (too broken), allows entry to mindscape, lets her travel back and forth through dimensions and parallel/ alternate realities, travel to death realm and back, buffs/debuffs herself or others, healing
Random speculation on the skill tree…
Would unlocking the point between shield and comm ball allow her illusion to deploy a functional shield?
Here, the shield is just an illusion….
or maybe make the projection solid?
It would be interesting if with a future upgrade to her skill tree if she could make the Illusion version of her solid and make it hold two other orbs and use their powers separately from say the shield and com orb on the original. This way the illusion copy could either fly around with the PPO or use the lighthook and the PPO to clear out areas to dangerous for the other heroes to go into right away.
A piece of wisdom I know goes like this:
Fast. Good. Cheap. You can have two. If it’s fast and good, it will not be cheap. If it’s good and cheap, it will not be fast. If it’s fast and cheap, it will not be good.
I feel like giving Sydney four hands to work her orbs, even if only three could be anything but the com-ball, would simply remove all the novelty of the entire power system. Two is enough. Putting combinations of three in there without great effort or strain wouldn’t benefit the comic in any way, and could only accomplish a very sad shift of comic focus from realism to raw cheap fantasy fulfillment.
I don’t think that’s what DaveB is shooting for at all. I really don’t. He’s quite obviously working hard to establish realism, to show a world and society that deals with superpowered people in the most beautifully detailed way to establish a deeply enthralling world that captures the imagination of even the most cerebral types.
I know it would be a little OP if she had that much power. I was just saying it would be interesting and it would also be funny since she would be on the ground in the original position pantomiming what the illusion copy of her would be doing in the air or out in combat. I doubt Dave would ever give her that much power but it would be in Sydney’s character to look like an idiot or spaz while trying to look cool or show off elsewhere.
I think the central wheel denotes how many she can use at once
No, the number of hands she has denotes how many she can use at once
If only Dabbler could use the orbs….
I recently cooked up an option to this while speculating on sydney’s skill tree. My idea was if a certain point in her powers was reached (not easily explainable without illustration), the skilltree would not be 2D but 3D, allowing her to link powers to each other. This advanced skilltree WOULD allow respeccing, preferably with little cost. That would allow her to spend points (definitely more than 1 total) on linking certain powers to each other.
For instance, shield+PPO. Lets assume that right now her shield blocks EVERYTHING that MIGHT be able to do her harm. First link power would mean her PPO would be able to shoot from within the shield. Second link might be that her shield auto-deploys when shooting the PPO to defend her from possible debris. Third link idk yet, something even more awesome.
This way she would be able to transcend the 2-powers limit for some cool combos without going completely over the top.
assuming a non-linear growth speed for her skilltree, this is of course very endgame, so not something that needs to be worried about.
I think the growth of most skilltrees is logarithmic, not quadratic, so it’ll happen in a reasonable time in the comic’s universe. With the current pace though, it’ll be half a decade or so before we reach that point, even assuming sizable timeskips. If Dave decides to illustrate all the time between now and the first few pages, it might be several decades.
Did she seriously let him in the shield JUST to have a casual talk? What?
Also sometime the brains of the op will sick golem lady on Sydney.
Oh wait no, it can’t be a projection cause
a) no feed from Sydney to Faux-Sidney
b) orb is freed in panel 9 and projection hasn’t collapsed.
actually it is collapsing panel nine is the real Sydney if you see panel 8 there is a yellow glow of Sydney and in panel 9 the comm-orb is reeling in the projection
Was wondering if the could phase throught the shield somehow.
But then I realised it was just the comball.
We can see her hiding the balls she is using behind her back in panel 5 to not tip him off she is just the illusion (but she also does a terrible job of minding the illusionary shields boundaries).
Why would there be a feed from Sydney to hologram? That’d defeat the entire point of the hologram
There is no feed (like the Hentorb), the ComBall sends out the center ball that projects an image of Sydney
If you look in panel 8 you can see that Roger Fedorka noticed the projector-ball just as it *pwip*ped out
I’m glad I’m not the only person who still uses that name.
She told him her weakness, he used it well. Still not sure if he’s a good guy or a bad guy. Might be there for a job interview.
First panel: Fedora has the look of somebody whose plans have come off perfectly. I suspect that he has subtly manipulated the mooks into attacking ARCSWAT, and is still pulling their strings somehow (hence the “multitasking”). It’s interesting that so many of the budget baddies are asking themselves why the hell they got involved with this in the first place. Back to #186: “Can you make a bunch of superpowered mooks collectively do something as stupid as ambushing ARCSWAT at a restaurant?” “Challenge Accepted.” It remains to be seen who Fedora is working for, and what the real agenda is here.
#186?
You know someone means business when he is the only one there that shows up in a cape.
I mean this is suppose to be a superhero comic and he’s the only one in a cape!
You haven’t been to comics conventions much, have you? Lotsa capes there with no *real* villains (except perhaps those who don’t bathe or wash their costumes).
This isn’t a comic convention. Here the super heroes and villains are real.
Sorry, but I forgot that most discussion boards don’t have (sarcasm)–(/sarcasm) tags & didn’t make my previous comment clear enough…
ever see the “The Incredibles”? in a practical sense capes are more trouble than theyre worth
And that’s why the new bat girl’s cape is a convenient snap on. I usually go with the trench coat look anyway.
The Batgirl costume is the first practical-designed but classic style costume I’ve seen. The breakaway cape and sensible boots are the best parts.
It would be simple to make a breakaway cape. Even just weaker stitching… Edna is great, but she is not omniscient.
No Capes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2YhxXn7NY
The “sucking” accidents (into a jet engine and vortex) look like they would have happened whether the respective heroine/hero had a cape on or not. And while I’m no expert on jet engines, I doubt they could inhale a whole human being without a complication or several.
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR. Not that I’m an expert either, but I do know that birds do serious damage to jet engines, from news articles and whatnot.
Guess there’s a first time for everything. =OP
You don’t want a cape. Just look at what it did to <Dollar Bill…
Gah! Tag mishmash…
Here’s the link for Dollar Bill
What is that from?
Watchmen, if I remember right; he’s a big reason the original Night Owl didn’t have a cape.
Still haven’t seen the movie, have seen bits of the animated comic cartoon series thingie
I never saw the movie; I’m referring to the comic.
Doesn’t anyone use Wikipedia anymore?
Wikipedia is excellent…For like, a fourth or fifth reference, I never use it as a primary source, too easy to change, yes, there are checkers that correct, BUT, if you get there BEFORE the checkers, the info is untrue, quaternary or quinary source, at best.
Yeah, wiki is good for confirmation purposes, or for easy reference, not always first (or 3rd) choice for factual information about something you don’t know about (plus, for me at least, asking a real person {or a very cleverly disguised AI :P} gets me the correct information 90% of the time)
1) If only he read through the archives, he would already know she’s going to survive not only the night, but at least another few months as well. #facepalm
2) Even if Sydney didn’t report it correctly, I still think Maxima should take the announcement of a possible threat seriously.
Agrecian with point 2, kinda hoping that will come back and bite her Solid Gold Dancer arse
Riiiiight… Because someone calling out “Potential dork alert at 3 o’clock” should always be taken with the absolute seriousness level it deserves. Which if you give it just a little bit of thought, is exactly what Maxima did.
If it was just a random someone, I would be inclined to totally agree with you. But it’s Halo, gotta kick the stats up on your nerd factor, Max!
I said “seriously”, not “with the absolute seriousness level”. IOW, no, she shouldn’t drop everything and throw all her resources into finding out what Halo is talking about, but she could send someone to check it out, such as one of Harem’s dupes, especially since ARCHON seems to be evening out the odds in the battle.
Or she might look over and see that Sydney means that same guy who Maxima has been ignoring all fight, and go back to her ignoring after reprimanding Sydney for needless radio chatter.
While possible, I have yet to see any indication that Maxima is already aware of him. At the very least, if Halo has done something wrong, the best thing to do is to take it up with her later privately rather than berate her publicly for at least trying to be helpful.
Anyone else notice that Fedora Guy is dressed somewhat different that the first time we supposedly see him. It is subtle.
If this is the same guy that “accepted the challenge” then he took off his tie to go out in public. The first guy had a tightly knotted tie and tight collar.
I have a few theories there, he either changed outfits before he went out or he’s a different member of the same group as the challenge accepted guy.
It seems more feasible that it’s the same guy, but in a different suit.
Or simply DaveB forgot/changed his design since his first appearance (just look at the hat and his face)
or he took his tie (noose) off before going into a brawl. seems like a good idea to me.
Or he could be someone who looks a lot like him, e.g., a clone, son, or protege with a mixed-up sense of hero worship.
Like that kid from “The Incredibles”, Silly Putty or something, couldn’t handle being rejected for kicking-sides so became a villain and killed heroes to prove that he was worthy
You mean Syndrome? I’ve only seen bits of the movie, so that’s the best guess I could come up with. If so, something like that, although I’m thinking of the protege (or whatever) deliberately trying to make himself resemble the former mentor by mimicking his mannerisms, dress, and facial “paint” or perhaps going so far as having plastic surgery.
I’m more interested in how Fedora Guy is partially standing INSIDE Sidney’s forcefield.
Good call, man. DaveB is definitely good at the subtle.
Except, he’s standing in the illusion of Sydney’s shield.
Man, I can’t wait to see how this all goes… there is so much that can be done with this story.
I love and hate how DaveB takes his time with this. It’s the mark of someone who truly cares about the story, the characters and the audience… it’s just so frustrating!!
all true, but consider – the only reason it’s frustrating now is because we’re caught in the current temporal stream, locked in with delays between pages. Once this is published, future readers will suffer no such delays, and at that point, the only thing that will matter is the story and the art, both of which are being masterfully done.
Consider this the cost of seeing all this before it goes to publication.
Sadly the villains can sometimes be really nice guys.
They’re nicely-mannered because they know that it puts a lot of people off their guard…
True villainy in action.
Bad guys aren’t always bad persons
Sometimes it just comes down to a clash of philosophies. Perfectly decent person who feels that laws and regulations are required for a stable and safe society vs perfectly decent person who feels that laws and regulations are the tools used by fascist dictatorships to excuse imprisoning those who fail to conform to societal expectations and norms. Still doesn’t explain why some of them decide to call themselves “the brotherhood of evil mutants,” but what can you do?
“What is treason? Merely a matter of dates.”
— (Attrib. Charles Maurice de Talleyrand)
“History is commonly dictated by those who have written the history books, not by those who lived through those times.”
– (Attrib. Author Unknown)
Treason is a good example of this.
One person’s view of treason is another person’s view of “overthrowing the current power structure” for reasons as they determine.
From their point of view, the “villains” may be thinking that having such a group as Archon in action means that the current state of society has “gone too far” and it is time for them to act. Who knows? But it always makes for great writing/comics.
Kudos to Dave as usual :)
Yeah, recent Magneto is a totally decent guy (a few years ago, old continuity, he took over the Institute for Gifted Youngsters after Xavier died), but he still calls them the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (though, come to think of it, I think many writers recently leave out “Evil”). Maybe he’s doing it as a “they think I’m evil, so I might as well be evil”? Also, Athywren, an excellent webcomic supervillain example of this is Spinnerette’s Doctor Universe.
Is Sydney recklessly letting a potential enemy inside her shield? Could he super punch her with his arm through the shield like that? Could she cut his arm off by solidifying the shield’s edge?
Someone mentioned earlier that it’s probably not Halo, but a holo of Halo.
A halo-gram?
think we just found a name for that power!
+1
…but only if it has weight. ;P
Yeah, the two orbs being held are telepresence and shield.
She is probably standing Behind to watch the conversation or attack method used on her.
some of those guys don’t really seem the villain type, much less evil, could be a civil war type sit, where those supers don’t want to follow the rules. the hair dresser guy and the fedora guy are proof of hat, still on the fence about Hex and Glowbug
But there are no super people rules for them to be mad about, except for the same rules that everyone else has (the regular law)
The whole ‘Archon’ thing is the start of it, same as the ‘Super Hero Registration Act’ was the start of th Civil War thing
Arianna made it clear that there will never be such a thing.
It’d be a pritty big jump from “o they are recruiting super cops” to “omg they are going to force me to register, I better attack the supercops and give them more reason to do”
Well, they did basically say: “Sign up if you want to use your powers and not have us come visit you at night in a black helicopter!”
I see it more of “Sign up if you want to use your powers to fight crime. You can still use your powers for the private or public sector if you wish. If you break the laws of the land (and not just the laws of physics), then expect the people in the first group to work to stop you.”
The list of alternate uses of powers is quite extensive: A speedster becomes a bike courier, who can pedal his bike at Mach 0.99. A person with clairvoyance joins the CIA. A receptive telepathic paramedic can tell what is wrong with a patient even if he can not normally speak the same language or the other person can not talk; he could become a confidential informant for the police department, able to tell them when people are planning crimes and can help investigate crimes that have already happened. A super-rich genius engineer could build a flying suit of armour; if he wants to use it to fight crime, he should come to Archon; otherwise he can get himself in trouble. A projecting telepath could become a teacher, able to “push” lessons into his students’ minds. etc.
Just to point out, if you can move at about Mach .99, you had better start moving way faster or way slower. At .99 the sound of your heartbeat will destroy both you and everything in your path.
(yes Flash etc but he’s explicitly immune to everything that should go wrong when moving fast)
That’s an interesting factoid. I wonder how come all the pilots who have ever broken the sound barrier never reported having the sound of their heartbeats destroy them and everything in their path? Perhaps because you just threw out some utter bullshit and expected it to be taken as fact?
He might be thinking of Mach 99.99
That sort of speed can be destructive if ever achieved in atmosphere.
Technically, for LONG (definition being for it being kinda weird and depends on sound volume[decibals], but probably cross country, not cross city) distances, the most destructive speed to travel at is Mach 1. Because you’ll be traveling WITH your sound waves, increasing their amplitude as you go. And causing bad things for anything in front of you.
The heart beat and other internal sounds will not have a significant effect on the production of the sonic boom that is just about being created. They will just add to the energy. Keep in mind that the sonic boom is produced in the sound’s medium, in this case air. The sonic boom is produced when the a source of sound is moving through a medium at the speed of sound in that medium, which can vary with density, pressure and temperature. What is producing the sound to build the sonic boom is of little consequence, except the louder it is, the more severe the sonic boom.
Aircraft pilots are protected by their being in an aircraft, which is presumably engineered for that specific purpose, in particular the “carrying your own air around with you” bit.
Which means that heartbeat is probably safe, yes. Not sure how good the body is at that. Footsteps should still be bad, or even just the whistling in the air since the body isn’t all that aerodinamic. At any rate, turn your phone off.
Also, no, no idea what mach 99.99 would be. I just know that 1 is sound. Do they scale linearly? There is supposedly a speed at which you’d start igniting nuclear fusion in the air in front of you, is that what you mean?
Also pilots who fly planes faster than the speed of sound have to wear special gravity gear to minimize the effects of forces that are literally trying to squeeze their organs into paste and wring the blood out of their bodies.
(They can still lose consciousness from G-forces. Slang term being red-out, as the pilot’s vision turns red from blood loss before unconsciousness.)
Mach 99.99 is 99.99 times the speed of sound in the given situation. It is a linear scale in that way: Mach x is x times the speed of sound. The speed of sound varies with respect to a variety of factors, so the actual speed of Mach 1 in any given situation will not be constant as these various influences change, like temperature, pressure, medium type, states and density, etc. Travelling at the speed of sound causes a sonic boom because the sounds you are making propagate through the medium (air) at the same rate as your are travelling. This causes the the sound waves to stack up at the various sound sources on the traveller (often an aircraft of some sort). If you travel slower than Mach 1, the sound can move ahead of the traveller; if you travel faster than Mach 1, the sound propagates out behind you, like the wake from a boat, but at the speed of sound, you are keeping up with the sound, causing a shock wave as the sound builds with you.
The speed of your heart would not add to the cyclist’s speed through the air because the media are different. The sound of your heart beat travels through the solid bone and the fluid filled areas around it (pericardium, etc.) much faster than through the air. What is important for a sonic boom is how fast an object is moving through the medium. The heart, even if beating very quickly, is not actually moving through the fluids of the body. The individual lobes of the heart would have to travel within that fluid faster than sound in water with other stuff dissolved in it, which would be somewhere around 1500 m/s. At those speeds, I think other problems would be occurring long before you have to worry about a sonic boom occurring inside the body.
Mach 99.99 would be um… Difficult to maintain – you’d be exceeding orbital speeds for in-atmosphere altitudes, and the g-forces applied to you just to remain in-atmosphere might be interesting.
//Torrenal
– has tested GPS software by simulating data that flew paths near/across the North Pole at Mach 30. Why? Software hates gimbal lock
Also, riding a bicycle at anything over the posted limit will get you a speeding ticket, superhero or not. Ask me how I know… :P
No, they said vigilanties are still illigal (they are already by law).
So if you want to fight crime with your super powers, you’d have to join Archon and do it the legal way
No, “private sector” means stuff like a security guard, dude. Not vigilantism.
who said they’d be fighting crime. it would be more like a private military company. who are despite their whining mercenaries often hired by governments to solve problems. and aarchon would have no jurisdiction over what happened out side the US unless a forign gov asked for aid.
Hm. Oddly she isn’t calling any attention to this guy despite thinking he’s an enemy.
Probably sees Red Cape as a much more likely threat.
you clearly are not familiar with the functions of a hyperactive mind. she forgot about him once things clam down and he’s gone Then she’ll remember.
Super villain archetypes (note they rarely exist in a pure form)
The Professional. For the pro evil is a job he has little to no loyalty to any cause beyond money
most likely to say “nothing personal but I need you to die”
The powerdrunk This guy LOVES having powers. any plan he participates in is just an excuse to use his powers preferably in front of and audience. He might even have tried being a hero but would be hindered but his total indifference to public safety, he’s the school yard bull with a power ring.
most likely to “Yes flee before my power”
The powermonger This guy is scared. the only things he trust are the thing he controls. He hordes wealth, influence weapons or any other form of power. he or she is desperately trying to amass enough power to hold his fears at bay. Most likely to say “all go as I have foreseen it”
The zealot The world is wrong it needs to be fixed. The zealot understands his actions are wrong but earnestly believe that the consequences of inaction are worse. His ultimate goal is usually noble but he methods are at best ‘questionable”
The fanatic want to destroy something. it could be a group, a race, or anything but anything that achives this is good, anyone caught in the crossfire is either a heroic sacrifice or a filthy collaborator. not even his own beliefs are safe the key to remember is he doesn’t actually care about his cause it’s just an excuse to tear something down. with out powers he’d be a suicide bomber eager too die for his faith because he’s too weak to live up too it. mlts “Burn infidel in the fire of justice”
more later tired now
Of those archetypes, the Professional, Zealot and Fanatic are the most dangerous, the Professional because he knows what he’s doing, the zealot because of how chaotic they are, and zealot because of their absolute dedication to their goal.
These are Supervillain Archetypes I have observed.
The Titan: This is a villain who believes that Might Makes Right, and they have Might. The world belongs to the powerful, and they have Power. They have -super- power! The set out to take what they want from the world, because they consider it their own personal plaything. This is probably the most common sort of villain in comic books.
The Aristocrat: This is a villain who believes that their powers make them better than “normal” people. Similar to the Titan in some ways, their desire isn’t as much for material things as it is for power and respect. They want the world to -give- them the things they desire, rather than having to go take it.
The Revenger: This is a villain who feels that someone, some group, or even the entire world has Done Them Wrong, and they will Rue The Day. The Revenger sets out to Show Them All, usually in some mind-blowingly destructive fashion.
The Justified: This is a villain whose goals may not be selfish or malevolent, but their methods are questionable at best. Prone to saying things like “the end justifies the means” or “you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs” this sort commits some of the worst atrocities in the name of whatever their chosen cause is.
The Super Criminal: This is what happens when you give super powers to a career criminal type. They use their powers to help them keep right on doing the same kinds of acts they have been doing all along.
The Madman: Or madwoman, as the case may be, this is a villain whose version of reality does not match the one the rest of us live in. Note that this is usually Comic Book/Hollywood Insanity, and bears little or no relation to mental disorders in the real world. They don’t need a logical reason for the acts of mayhem they do, they are Crazy. This represents 99% of the villains Batman has to deal with.
The Zealot: This isn’t so much a villain, as it is someone who is in conflict with the heroes for reasons of ideology. They often see themselves as being heroes, and will act like it, avoiding harm to civilians, helping out those in need, and so on. This type of “villain” is less common in modern comics because it is difficult to present such a character without offending someone.
While there are similarities between The Zealot and The Justified, they differ greatly in their methods and in how they see themselves. An example of a Zealot might be a hero from Mother Russia, coming into conflict with an American hero. Both are good guys, but they are still at odds. An example of The Justified might be a guy who is kidnapping the babies born to known Supers for secret stem cell research aimed at learning how to give everyone super powers.
I gave them diffent names but yeah that about covers all the ones I came up with.
The egotist His main goal is to show everyone how great/smart/strong he is. deep down he is horribly insecure and overcompensating. he doesn’t really think he’s that impressive which is why he constantly trying too prove he is. He is the classic villain who explains his plans because he NEEDS someone to see how clever he is. He doesn’t immediately kill his foe when he has the chance because beating them isn’t enough he NEEDS them to admit they are beaten, that he is better. MLTS “you dare to question me?”
The Entitled More likely to be a corrupt ceo or crime boss then a conventional super villain. they feel the world owes them. Maybe they were spoiled since childhood or maybe they had nothing most of there life and now they have the power to take. they don’t see they’re actions as wrong, all though amusingly they might see someone else behaving the same way as wrong, it’s ok for him to do these thing because he is him. MLTS “I want it, I want it GIMME”
The Vindictive he wants to make some one hurt destruction isn’t the goal, pain is. he has been hurt and treats this as a license to hurt other. He makes heroes say things like “why would you of all people do this? You know how bad it hurts” MLTS “Soon all the world will feel my pain”
The rager He has something physically wrong with his brain all his actions really boil down to him screaming “im mad I’m mad can’t you see how mad I am” he’s basically having a never ending temper tantrum he is likely to be horrified by his actions if he ever calms down. he probably doesn’t want to hurt anyone but has so much rage that it just HAS to come out somehow. he is the victim of his circumstance but to dangerous to coddle. MLTS “(Wordless scream of rage)”
the seeker His goal is all justifying pain, death, are perfectly acceptable if progress is made. unlike the fanatic his cause is not an excuse unlike the zealot their is no guilt. he is likely a sociopath people don’t matter nations don’t matter laws don’t matter all that matters is the goal. those who oppose him are ignorant fools who don’t understand what he’s trying to do MLTS “your legitimate methods would take decades to do what took me weeks”
You all forgot the Magnificent Bastard, the one who doesn’t claim to control everything, because he DOESN’T NEED TO. He accurately predicts every move made by every side; there’s a reason he is also called The Chessmaster. He gathers information on all allies and enemies, plans for every possible variable (like most of the Bat-family, he is prepared for ANYTHING), and if he happens to come across something he didn’t expect, he can easily think on his feet so this gets integrated into the plan and the process repeats in all of 5 seconds. This guy doesn’t read the Evil Overlord List; he WROTE it. He is just as suitable to being the ruler of an empire (not The Evil Empire; this guy read The Prince at a young age, and knows it is best to rule with love AND fear, and never enough fear to encourage a rebellion) as he is suitable to being the emperor’s most trusted confidant, carefully manipulating events in a way that nobody is ever aware of.
I’ve never seen anyone remotely like that in a comic book.
Closest ones I can think of are Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor. They are not pure examples, but they can operate like that until their ego trips them up.
The minion just smart enough to realize he’s not very smart. He is a born follower and all the power in the world won’t change that. he will follow anyone who has an ounce of conviction or charisma. MLTS “what ever you say boss”
The inhuman This guy is Genuinely not a human being and probably never was. His action are nearly incomprehensible and his motive even more so he might not even be evil in the sense that he want to cause harm, it may be that he simply doesn’t understand that he is doing harm or he might simply not see those being harm as mattering. MLTS ” why would you not want a carnivorous worm inserted in your off-springs brain? my spawn love it they see the most interesting things as their brains grow back”
The attention whore the classic example is the Joker. everything he does boils down to LOOK AT ME. He steals money not because he wants it but because people will notice him. he is the ultimate showmen, or at least he thinks he is. how he goes about it depends on what other archetypes are mixed in MLTS “I bet you’d like to know what all the bombs and poison is for, well just keep an eye on the sky and you’ll see something you’ll never forget”
AHHHHHHHH! HOW DID SHE NOT NOTICE THAT! his arm and part of his body are passing THROUGH THE SHIELD!!!
shes using the com ball to talk to him. his body is passing through the illusion of the shield
How do people not notice her hologram disapering in panel 8?
The same way people forget to read the comments first :D
Because it is still there in panel nine?
In panel 8 the hologram vanishes, and turns back into the little yellow orb
In panel 9, you see the real Sydney, who just let go of the yellow orb. The little yellow orb vips back into the main yellow orb
Umm, no, the halo-gram was in panels 3-8, Halo-under-glass (or HUG) is in panel 9
Either I need glasses or the image was touched up. Thought that was a solid, normal looking her bellow the orb but now it’s a silhouette type look.
…Oh, n/m. It’s a halogram…My bad >.<
I like how mr Hat and suit is all sinister looking in the first panel and in the last panel he looks like a kindly mentor or father or sumting
Now that you mention it, I notice about the only thing different in the two panels is the angle of his hat/head and the latter zooms out to show more of his body angle. Odd how such a subtle difference makes a large change in how his body language is interpreted.
I sort of wonder if Fedora Man might be a member of another government supergroup kept secret even from ARCHON (Can you say “Bureaucratic Infighting”, boys and girls?) scouting out the “opposition?
Yet another possibility that should be considered, although I don’t think he’d be that out in the open if that were so. I’m still leaning towards him being a leader or at least member of a foreign superhero group, possibly sent to confer with Archon about an informal alliance. This would explain:
1) His “challenge accepted” comment (he’s competitive and wants to prove his team is every bit as good as Archon, with a possible friendly rivalry developing between the two)
2) why he’s just observing the fight and doesn’t join in (out of his bailiwick)
3) why he doesn’t do more to hide his presence (his government is about to announce their own superhero team)
4) his thoughts in the last panel (supportive of someone who likely will be on the same side as he is).
4) could simply be because he views her as a spunky kid worthy of respect at the least (and maybe so she could become his own personal Batman :P)
I don’t claim that I’m right about him being a good guy (much less a member/leader of a foreign super team). The information that DaveB has given on him is open to any number of interpretations. I don’t mind people arguing for their interpretation until they start pretending that their interpretation is the only possible one since that tends to stifle healthy debate.
wait a second. fedora+trench coat+familiar markings from eyes+(observing-acting)=is that “X”?
sorry if i spoiled it or i missed someone already saying that
That he is X from ARC Dark has been suggested and dismissed. He is taller and heavier than X. And X is notable for not being noticed.
Plus, wasn’t X inside the restaurant with the rest of the Archonites?
Max was throwing a party for her team Arc SWAT. There were others there but not all of Archon, I think.
Dang, was sure he was in the corner
I double checked the party strips. Arianna, Leon, Gwen and Zeph are there. Otherwise, just Max’s kids.
Okay, that’s cool, just figured that wherever Dabbles went, so too went her X-shadow
I’m sure they figured nothing dramatic would happen at a quiet dinner for the team.
That’s a suit, not a trench coat
The line going down the back of the head makes me think an upside down Y and also the line down his arm ending in the spitting image on the back of his hand is interesting.
To me, the facial markings remind me of Sigma from the Megaman X series… Sorry, when you mentioned “X” I felt the need to input the first thing I had thought of reading the strip.
I believe that there are 2 possibly 3 groups of “baddies” here.
First group I am calling Super fight club, thet are here to see what ARC is capable of.
Members are Jabs, Baberarian & buds and The Suit, maby a few others.
Second group are the villians, Red cape, the meathead twins, crushed shadow nuts, lepoc, mach the knife, Breakpoint, and others of that type.
Third group is those there for “unknown” reasons, even to themselves, I put Hex, Glowbug,H.S. (probably) in this group.
“They see me perpetratin’. They hatin’.”
I don’t know who this guy is but I think he whole be a interesting character downstream.
That’s a safe bet. The next big fight might involve him finding and training a team with power to match or better, counter the heavy hitters in Arc SWAT. Unless Archon short-circuits his plans somehow.
I’ll just join in and commend you for a very well-made page. I must say that I mostly read this comic for Sydney (which shouldn’t surprise you if you noticed that I was the one who commissioned that drawing from Sonny Strait) , and for all the antics and quirky dialogue, the fight scene has been boring me a little.
So I’m reading a superhero comic and get bored by a fight scene. I guess I should check out those interviews in Playboy.
Believe the word you were looking for instead of ‘nonplused’ for Roger Fedorka, may have been ‘nonchalant’
nonchalance n. unconcern; coolness; indifference; carelessness. [Fr. non, not; chaleur, heat].
So if you are concerned about something, do you act chalant?
If you like your job, are you gruntled?
If you are happy about something, are you mayed?
If you are well groomed, are you kempt?
If you are good at something, are you ept?
If you turn something right side up, do you vert it?
If you care about other people’s feelings, are you ruthful?
If you have good luck, are you hapful?
If you are not shy, are you bashless?
Not everything that has a ‘non’ or ‘in’ or ‘un’ has an opposite (and some opposites are the same: flamable and inflamable are the same thing for example), and some of them haven’t just had those 2-3 letters added
Dismay: it does not mean what you think it means
Unkempt comes from Old English un-, not; cemban, to comb
Not ‘ept’ but ‘apt’ (inept comes from Latin: in, not; aptus, fit)
‘Vert’ actually deals with the colour green
Ruthful you got bang on: full of pity or tenderness; compassionate
Regardng good luck: quite possibly, seeing how ‘hap’ basically means ‘chance’ (unless you are Scottish in which case you would be wrapped up :P)
Bashful comes from the French: abashfull so they simply ‘Americanized’ it by dropping the ‘a’
And yes, did take the time to look those up (wasn’t sure if you were being cereal or not) :P
I would like to unabashedly congratulate you on your research.
I’m not trying to subvert your conclusions, but vertere is also Latin for to turn.
Abashfull is certainly NOT a French word. The ending in “ful” does not exist in French. (But it sounds typical of English adjectives). According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, bashful comes from Old French baissier “bring down, humiliate”. Probably akin to the modern baisser or abaisser “to lower”, and rabaisser “to humiliate, to belittle”… Also, abash comes from Old French esbaiss- and before that from Latin esbaer “gape with astonishment”.
Oops! Got ‘fr.’ mixed up with ‘Fr.’
According to Collins English Dictionary, ‘abash’ comes from French ebahir, to astound (or maybe ‘abashment’ does)
Oh. Sounds more likely, then, yeah. Both origins sound plausible.
some opposites are the same? what? *giggles* flammable and inflammable mean (close) to the same thing, and the closest to an actual opposite is ‘flame retardant’, as, we all know from The Human Torch: ‘everything burns’.
Ept / apt, words change with modifiers.
Well kempt I have heard used.
Ruthful is full of remorse.
Hap does need the indication less or full if not being used neutrally.
Those ones I know and checked on.
And someone on whom Ruth walked out on would be Ruthless.
The opposite of “dis” would be “eu”, as in “euphoric”. Therefore, if yo like your job, you would be eugruntled. Simple gruntlement is a neutral position, needing modifiers to give it value. What’s really nonsensical is “defenestrate”. It means to throw something out a window. But if you “fenestrate” something, you put a window in it.
Darn it, why can’t anybody ever just be whelmed?
Another, similar type of question:
when you unthaw something, do you refreeze it?
Rules of grammar say yes. But it’s an awkward construction.
superantiexistentialisticalitarianizationisms. :Def: big things said by small-minded people.
(yes, the definition I came up with uses less letters than the word I came up with)
I thawed someone would say something like that. =OP
I’d like to open the floor to dicussions about names of villains we’ve already seen defeated. I’ve decided to postpone my usual villain tally in favor of just naming villains.
In my opinion:
1) Anyone with a costume deserves a name, because they put in the effort damnit!
2) Faceless generic minions like the guys in white or black t-shirts and bluejeans don’t deserve names
3) Minions we have grown to love as a community like Barberian DO get names!
Female in red costume with gymnastics ribbon [1st appearance: #204]: “Gymnastica” “Red Ribbon” ??
The guy who got beanbagged in the face in #207 and the guy who got knifed in the teeth and then soundly KTFO’d in #211 were wearing similar clothes, have similar appearances and the same hairstyle in different colors. I think they should be “Laser Twins/Brothers” or “neodymium(Amber)” and “Chromium(Ruby)” since those are the ions used to make those color lasers. The Amber and Ruby would work better if they were female (because words feel like they have gender even though they are just words)
Black Male with fire knuckles [1st appearance: #210]: He feels like a minion but his fire knuckles gave me the idea of “Knuckle Combuster” like “knuckle duster” only more contrived.
The 2nd guy Jiggawatt hit when making her entrance in #228: “Cumulus” or “nimbus” since his legs are clouds… his pony tail isn’t inherently ethnic but it could be a chinese buddhist monk hairstyle so that opens up options for naming in other languages… Also “Smoke Signal” or “Smoke Point” might work
As for the 3rd guy Jiggawatt beat in #228: I’m coming up blank on this guys… overalls and orange stripes… nothing rhymes with Orange though…
The human torch tribute 1st seen in that damn parking lot scene was beaten by Halo lighthooking him into the pavement in #229: Clearly we NEED the cliched fire themed name… something with “Flare” or “Fahrenheit” help me out wiht this one.
All right folks what do you think of these and do you have suggestions or improvements on these for me to include in my next villain tally update?
What about the first target in #228, girl in UK garb with giant purple fist? How about “Purple Nurple”?
Or something more to Leon’s tastes: “Grape-ler”. (leave it be spellcheck!)
You mean, Gauntlette? DaveB already named her
Named named or Leon Named? ;)
Named named. Gauntlette is one of the patreon backers’ characters
And she’s another lighthooker
That just doesn’t sound right for some reason
I think the dude with the fire knuckles is obviously Rising Dragon Fist (should be an obvious joke, but it might not be, I dunno; if it isn’t, glitterstim-laden cookies for the people who get it right. Or maybe moon sugar? It’s not addictive until it’s made into skooma, after all.)
And the Torch would be “Flameout”…
“The girls all call me Hot Stuff. So here I am baby, take me.” Halo, “Denied X 10” WHAM, WHAM!
Faren-hit? RedHot? Sizzle? Scorch?
I think Scorch is the best of those, but I think it’s taken by marvel… one of the one-episode bad guys from agents of shield called himself scorch so…
Furnace? After-burner? Trail-blazer? Kenny Roger’s Roaster? Char face?
After-burner is also taken.
How about, due to his rapid defeat, “Fizzle”?
Wait a sec , by your rule #2 the orange strip guy in overalls (which are just hillbilly blue jeans that don’t require a shirt) would not get a name anyway. But I kind of like Circuit-Baker (Leon style) cuts he has circuit lines and got baked like a muffin by Jiggy…
Hillbilly… circuit… Crop-Circuit? Nascar Circuit? I definitely like the circuit part… If he were a little person I’d go after the “low hanging fruit” and call him short circuit. I should be ashamed of myself…
How about Circuit Rider? We never got to see any power use from him but another blaster isn’t a bad idea. This mob is top heavy on bricks. (pun only slightly intentional) Grabs power from any source and projects it. Including draining another blaster of any inherent energy.
That sounds like a superhero I came up with in the Marvel line called Syphon, whose power was to siphon off any energy and immediately redirect it. His shortcoming? Zero storage capacity, in one hand and out the other. He could however, focus the energy from a broad fan to a narrow beam.
hmmm… Circuit Freak sounds the best to me, with a slight pun pointing towards him being a circus freak
Ooooooo! I learned a new word today… “contronym”… sweet!
It’s always a good day when I learn something new.
Is it just me, or did Fedora Guy… lean into the bubble shield without being affected in any way?
/mystic handwave: That was not the Halo you are looking at
I do believe is did. Just, casually passed right through the barrier that stopped Maxima, without Sydney even noticing.
So either he isn’t really here, or he’s ludicrously good at bypassing barriers.
Sydney isn’t there. Telepresence ball is being held.
That sounds so boring. Why not call it the Badger ball… Because Badgers. Apparently terrifying.
Yes! Badger-ball sounds better than CommBall
For Zephy:
Faren-hit? RedHot? Sizzle? Scorch?
Weren’t they Transformers? Well, except for Faren-hit.
don’t thin RedHot was either.. Red Alert was though.
Thundercats on sydney’s shirt on the vote incentive? Awesome!
Just wondering something I’m hoping DaveB will address some time. While Arianna addressed the question of vigilantism, what’s the government’s stance on other superpowered activities? For example, could a super use his or her powers in the course of bodyguard or detective work without the government coming down on him or her? I’m guessing the answer would be they could as long as they’re not doing anything that would be illegal for a normal person, but can’t tell for sure.
A quick search turned up this:
In order to carry a weapon, a firearms permit must be obtained. Weapons licensing varies per state, with some regions of the country disallowing private security officers from carrying concealed weapons
My guess is that if you’ve got offensive super powers and intend to use them in your work as a bodyguard or PI you’d probably be required to register with the police. But if your main power is something purely defensive like the shield Halo has then it’s nobody’s business.
Yeah, the politicians tried that whole “Mutant Registration Act” thing…didn’t fly.
Keep in mind that, technically, weapon licensing laws are unconstitutional, since “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and forcing someone to license their weapon is, by definition, an infringement.
And No, States can’t do it either, due to the tenth amendment. The second amendment applies to the states via the constitution, and thus the states are ALSO prohibited from infringing the right to keep and bear arms.
So why are there gun registration laws? Because politicians hate anything that limits their power, and that includes the bill of rights.
(Meant to say the politicians IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE Tried superpower registration)
While the Constitution of the United States does indeed say that “…the right of the people shall not be infringed.” the US Supreme Court (the constitutionally mandated interpreter of said Constitution) has ruled that sensible regulation (such as concealed carry permits [license] and highly curtailed civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons) to be both legal and constitutional. The problem comes in the difference of opinion between citizens and politicians as to the definition of “sensible”. Since the Second Amendment was intended to be the ultimate protection of the people against a tyrannical government, it can be understood why said government would vehemently oppose it’s very existence. Understood, but not condoned.
No, the Constitution does NOT include any specific limitations or restrictions on the Right to own & bear arms. By *implying* that there should have been is a violation of the “shall not be infringed” phrase.
One of the Prime Maxims of the Law is “That which is not specifically included, must be expressly excluded” is directly derived from the 10th Amendment, which specifies that ONLY the Powers *already included* in the Constitution itself have been delegated to the US Government…NO MORE THAN THAT!
TO be completely fair, the act was just fine. For a while. It was when the big, nasty robots came along and started grabbing mutants on the list that things went crazy and have just kept getting crazier ever since.
Archon might insist on training and qualification standards, even if they don’t administer them directly. And be sure if someone screws up, they will come down on them hard.
Well on the same page, she also addressed “Power Registration” – which apparently won’t happen in the Grrlverse…presumably as long as you’re not breaking any laws against Assault, Robbery, reckless endangerment, and so on, it’s OK to use superpowers for whatever you want, within the limitations of existing laws (Thus Achilles’ job as a movie stuntman, and “That Flying Rescue Guy”)
And when you break the law, you’ll be registerd along with the normals (presumably with a side notation that warns for super powers offcourse)
Vigilantism doesn’t really have anything to do with superpowers.
It’s the act of taking the law into your own hands that’s illigal, not the use of superpowers while you do it (it’s still illigal if flying rat man does it)
Never said they did. In fact, that was addressed in the strip I linked to: “The only law in the act that specifically affects supers is this: vigilantism is just as illegal if you have super powers as if you don’t.”
It was the illusion so it makes perfect sense that the illusion can’t touch you; can’t touch it; there’s nothing to touch.
Got a feeling the new function on the yellow orb will be revealed in the next 3 pages
so the dude Sydney was talking to was inside her shield did any one else notice that?
That was an image of Sydney, generated by the yellow Telepresence orb. She was still by the ruins of the restaurant. The image just passes through solid objects.
Speaking of Sydney, I was just noticing how much she looks the concept art for Shade Tail on EGS.
https://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=568
I have to admit, that guy looks a lot nicer for being evil than the first time we saw him in https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/1189
The slow knife penetrates the shield.
A stargate fan then are you?
That bit is from Frank Herbert’s Dune. A personal force field would stop fast things like bullets but a knife thrust slowly enough would go through.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
+1 Internet for eddi’s correct reference.
Thank you.
Heh. I remember the movie’s representation of those forcefields. Orange, vaguely humanoid boxes. Special effects sure have come a long way since those days. :)
In stargate the personal forcefield stopped bullets yet slower things like a knife being thrown would go through.
I would think a slow knife would also get the reaction, “Hey, there’s a slow knife coming at me, I better do something about it!” from the person at which it is aimed.
Their hand-to-hand style was built around parrying and holding the opponents blade while thrusting at close range. That was why knives instead of swords. And the Sardaukar developed projectiles that could brake to penetrate the shields.
Plus everyone loves a cheap backstab. Always useful and economic.
I like rocks from orbit.
True. As I have aged I have modified my position on the use of force. Pushing the button that unleashes the Big Anvil is about my speed these days. If they are on the continental plate targeted, That’s close enough for a decent hit.
Even aside from the ease with which you could make a breakaway cape… There’s quite a lot you can do with them as a tool, rather than just a fashion accessory.
Chainmaille lining, for extra armour on the back (most useful for superstrong types). Make it of wool, so it’s a nice insulator if it gets super cold (or a cold-themed villain tries to freeze you). Both those things would also make it a handy shield against electricity throwers. Block line of sight, in battle, against ‘evil eye’ villains, cameras… For flight, a cape can be designed to act as a stabilizer. For acrobats, it can have glide functionality built in. Make it bright on the inside, dark on the outside, and you have something that can be a flashy distraction in combat. Use it to tangle punches or weapons. Carry small victims. Carry loose items. Soak it in water before fighting a Heat user.
There’s a reason that people wore cloaks for centuries, after all.
I’d suggest substituting modern bullet-resistant fabrics for mail. Lighter and much less noisy.
We forgot. Weights in the bottom corners. Makes for dramatic swishing of the cape and severe bruising when swung as a weapon.
Please make any debriefs verbal. I’d image Sydney’s “paperwork” to either be uselessly short or Detective Mihoshi Level (takes three days to decipher and classify everything).
All the monitoring gear the team uses should keep the debriefing short and sweet. Mostly filling in details the cameras miss and adding any deductions or other comments to the record.
Sydney may have to write an essay though. “What I Did During My First Super Fight”. That will let Max get a look at her thought processes and help plan how to train Sydney.
That is, as long as Sydney doesn’t get distracted after the first few sentences.
She has shown a good ability to focus when the chips are down. I think Maxima is a little less concerned about what kind of creation she will be unleashing on the public when Halo makes her professional debut.
I wonder now Did Sydney get distracted that easy or did she find out what she wanted and just leave?
She wanted to know why Fedorka was there and, while he didn’t answer directly, he did imply he was up to something. She also got a good look at him. So Sydney can describe him later.
It was not not a good time or place for an extended conversation anyway.
She wasn’t exactely distracted, more like ‘re-directed’
I don’t see him implying that at all. IMHO, the ambiguous answer to Sydney’s question is far more convincing that he lacks ill-will than a direct denial would have been, as the latter would likely to be seen as self-defensive.
He does in fact imply that he is in fact Perpetrating Evil. He doesn’t deny it at all. He just lets it pass and comments that he is “multi-tasking”.
It’s an admission of a sort, because it’s the one response no good guy would make. A good guy might deny it, or ask for clarification, or make a joke, or be sarcastic, or even just not answer at all. What the Crying Guy does is the one thing no good guy would do. He just lets it stand.
Try it in your head. Imagine any hero you like standing there, watching the show, and think what they would say if Sydney asked them if they were Perpetratin’ Evil.
He’s definitely not on Archon’s side, that’s for sure. Evil is debatable. His thought on Sydney was unvoiced but obviously meant. At best he is a true neutral, at worst he’s an example of <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/EvenEvilHasStandards/"Even Evil Has StandardsTV Tropes Link
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/EvenEvilHasStandards/
He’s not on Archon’s side because…? On what do you base your conclusion?
First, I’m not saying you’re wrong about him being a bad guy, just that the data so far is inconclusive- which means you’re not necessarily right, either. Second, I don’t accept that no good guy wouldn’t say something like that. There are a lot of reasons why he might, as a good guy, refuse to deny that he’s “perpretatin’ evil”, such as a denial would unlikely be believed by Sydney or he may be a big believer in the whole “innocent until proven guilty” concept (assuming he’s done nothing wrong, why should he have to deny it?). So instead of dong so, he simply chooses to answer with a generally harmless activity, thereby suggesting that he, too, is harmless. Finally, his answer may well reflect his sense of humor. After all, “multi-tasking” is hardly an activity one would associate with someone so close to a super-brawl. Thus, his response could be seen as a joke.
“… no good guy wouldn’t say something like that…”Replace with: “… no good guy would say something like that…”
I like how the world seems more vivid and clear when viewed through Halo’s shield. Must be a special power, Shield orb with ultra high def. 4K resolution. “Hey Math! You gotta get in here and check out Maxima’s rack from in here! It’s almost 4D!” Math suddenly learns teleportation and appears with his face already pressed against the shield.
How can he go through Sydney’s shield? Even Harem couldn’t.
…Sydney’s using the Telepresence orb without holding it. I just noticed that.
Oh, wait, that was her dispelling the orb’s effect.