Grrl Power #1350 – Objectified permanence
There is an obvious breakpoint for any stat where it goes from “nice to be recognized for that thing” to the crippling insecurity of “will anyone love me for me.” I won’t say something obvious like there’s a downside to incredible wealth or comeliness, I’ll just point out that a lot of people tend to define themselves by their most outstanding attribute, partially because very few people have the time to develop multiple outstanding attributes. If you’re wealthy, and that wealth is not dependent on you personally putting in 90 hours a week, then you might have the freedom and time to become a champion dressagist (dressager?) and also a world class painter. But if you’re “the smart kid,” and by that I mean the skips grades and takes advanced courses and starts college at 15 smart kid, then chances are you spend most of your time developing those smarts and doing extracurricular work, and when you finally make it to CERN and discover that everyone there was the smart kid and now you’re kind of in the middle, you might suddenly develop and urge to become really good at the clarinet or rebuilding car engines so that you have something to make you stand out again.
Having women fall all over themselves to catch your eye is a fun fantasy for guys because that’s not how it works for 97% of us. It’s sad but also a little cathartic when I find a thread on Reddit where guys get to reminiscing about the one time 12 years ago when someone paid them a compliment, because it was the only time it’s ever happened in their life. That’s how far from “women falling all over themselves” it is for most guys. That’s also why harem anime/novels are so popular. The idea of a guy being able to attract/keep multiple women is such high fantasy that it makes anything that happens on the new seasons of Doctor Who seem grounded and down to Earth.
Having an S++ tier comeliness (my art notwithstanding) is going to make for some good times for sure, but Flash Drive is going to eventually enter a phase of his life where he wants something more than a relationship based on superficial attraction. Probably. Maybe it’s enough for him to know that he’s got 57 kids out there that he’s never met.
The thing about a comeliness stat is that it’s actually hard to imagine how it would work above a certain level. Strength is easy. There’s always something heavier to lift. Dexterity, Intelligence, most of the usual stats in a game are easy to figure there’s no real upper limit. Comeliness, though… there is a limit to how attractive someone can be, IMO. Like, imagine the most attractive person you can. Cindy Crawford in her prime, or Jenna Ortega or Pamela Anderson or Kate Beckinsale in the Underworld movies or Hugh Jackman or Benedict Cumberbatch or Benedict Wong or whatever you’re into. (As an aside, the Marvel movies had a lot of guys name Chris leading their casts, but how weird was it that Dr. Strange had two actors named Benedict?)
Anyway, so imagine the most attractive person you can. Now imagine someone just a little more attractive than them. Some of us can do it, probably in the form of “Monica Bellucci, but with Grace Kelly’s nose” or whatever. But here’s the thing. Imagine someone ten times more attractive than them. It’s not possible. There’s such a thing as too much symmetry, or too few blemishes, or the shape of their eyes can only be so… just right. There’s a point where someone will enter an uncanny valley of doll-like perfection and artificiality, because human brains know that other humans do have stuff like skin texture. The only way I think Comeliness can function as a ceiling-less stat is if the person in question starts to emit a mind-control aura, or pheromones, or their mere presence warps reality in minor ways.
Also, you have to figure that someone with a 4-times-the-human-limit Comeliness stat must be teetering on the edge of ruin at all times. If being that attractive requires an absolutely perfect balance of facial structure, symmetry, and every other feature, then one stray freckle or a tiny cut could blow the whole system out of balance, and they’d lose like 20 points of Comeliness in an instant.
Please enjoy the increasingly stale vote incentive.
This month, I’m closing on a new house, selling my Mom’s house, finishing packing Mom’s house, moving city to city to the new house, forwarding mail, canceling utilities, all that. And after that’s done, I get to start the process of selling my old house, which needs a little work before it can realistically go on the market.
SO. I’m going to try and do this vote incentive in stages. Currently it’s just pencils. The TopWebcomics one will update with colors and detail until we get to the no clothes versions, then that will continue over at Patreon. Also there will be a comic or two in between each version to fill out the story.
I know it’s hard to tell from just the pencils, but this is Heatwave and Jiggawatt. The comics will explain why they’re doing what they’re doing. Although I feel like even saying that much makes it easy to guess, but hopefully the journey will still amuse.
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For all those who call Maxi a sexually-frustrated prude: check the second last panel
Also, just because Flash has the clearance to be there, doesn’t mean he has the authority to remain there
Specially when he is distracting a large proportion of the workers (we may only be seeing six or seven just means DaveB didn’t want to draw a much larger crowd, not to mention the nocturne’s underground wondering why they are suddenly feeling horny)
Really? No discussion of what his bike is made from that it doesn’t melt?
There was plenty of discussion on the first page where he appeared, and the character’s creator provided some explanation on the following page.
Notably absent from this crowd: Sciona, who we know is still in the area. Now WE know it’s because she’s an Alari and perhaps well-disciplined to resist such temptation (though we know from previous scenes that she’s not immune to it when it suits her needs), but the very fact that he has attracted every woman in the area EXCEPT her might be cause for others to suspect there’s more than the usual going on with her…
The fact that Digit is getting relationship advice from *Sydney* totally confirms her description as a “scatterbrained inventor.”
Also, in panel 5, Flash Drive is looking distinctly cheesed off. He doesn’t get over it by the end of the page. Damn brasshats, always interfering with his fun.
I would describe Max more as GOLDhat, not brasshat.
I’m just wondering how this all goes when checked against ‘the Bechdel Test’. Please note I am not being especially serious, just sayin’. :)
The series as a whole does fine with Bechdel Test (numerous interactions between female characters have had absolutely nothing to do with men). This particular scene fails, but the BT doesn’t worry about scene-length interactions.
I like to answer goofy questions seriously.
Yup, the test only requires there to be at least one scene where two woman talk to each other about something other than men.
This is such a low bar that it is ridiculously shameful that so many movies even in 2025 fail to clear it.
I think the Bechdel test is particularly interesting when compared to its counterpart: how often do two men talk about something other than a woman? Why would one occur far more frequently than the other? Why would people consider one absurd, and the other normal?
The Bechdel test was never a serious test of anything.
It always was intended to demonstrate how wildly inequal gender representations are in media.
Am reminded of the actor who auditioned for the part of Ben Braddock in ‘The Graduate’ but was rejected because, unlike Dustin Hoffman, the producer didn’t think a movie audience would believe that a woman would turn him down. (Name escapes me atm – Redford?). So, apparently there is a point of TOO MUCH comeliness.
His absurd comeliness — psi/magic effect “I’m incredibly hot”. Dabbler in this case would eventually notice, but stirred up all this interest of a certain sort in the other women in the vicinity.
On the too attractive, uncanny valley. I often think of this when considering supernatural beings like elves, fae, and gods. Beings able to shapeshift, and it being both too “attractive” along with cultural concepts of beauty. That and aliens descended from humans in different timelines. That these could influence cultures to create art that leans the standards of beauty towards them, or at least make it so common and insisted upon as cute. For instance the anime look. Larger than normal heads, longer than normal legs, large eyes, and the feline like jawline. Which reminds me of all those gods and fae through history described, painted, and sculpted as having cat like faces and noses or other animals mixed with human depending on the culture like deer, cows, etc… a kind of “we’ll lean them towards this, get them acclimated to it so when they see us we won’t look as uncanny valley terrifying as we one did to them”.
I have also worked around the perfect symmetry by having shape shifting beings lean into with a small adjustment where they play off their faces like they were masks…just limit facial movement. Granted that can make it scarier when the face does move.
The problem I always had with a comeliness stat, is that it’s trying to apply an objective measurement to something that is subjective. While there are certain attributes that all people find attractive, facial symmetry, etc, the attractiveness of certain features that depend on the tastes of the viewer. Hence the saying, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Your point could actually be one key to manage it as a ceiling-less stat: it could represent the “universality” of the looks. Not because they changed, but because of an indescribable aura. However, this would still be limited to something like the 20-40 range (on a 20-based system, of course), so that, even if your type is long-legged blondes, this short brunette is still outstandingly stunning. An additional +10 may expand the rang of gender-attraction.
There would be overlapping: if your physical type matches but not the gender, you only need 30 to…what was the EGS saying?…make straight men/women see rainbows, but 50 would make it so everyone would be into you no matter what.
Beyond that, I think there could also be an influence of first infatuation (probably as a malus on saving throws), then outright obsession. We starting to go for the 60-70 range.
Of course, Charisma/Presence is better than a pure physical Comeliness/Beauty, as it also includes social graces, speech abilities and overall presence, making it easier to expand the stat above those values.
FLEE WHILE YOU CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Honestly, Flash just doesn’t seem especially hot to me. Very conventional, square-jawed masculine ideal, the kind of guy that straight men tell each other women find hot, which tends to be remarkably disconnected from what women are actually into.
Because it’s not just his physical appearance, he has to be producing some sort of aura or spraying pheromones to have this affect on people like Maxi, Dabbles and Digit (or the blind nun from two states back)
I have a couple of theories regarding beauty;
1) Generally speaking what one considers beautiful is based on the average of what one’s seen. Given how neural networks work, this essentially means that beauty standards are based on how *easy* it is to comprehend someone. Maximum beauty means someone with No Defining Features, at least when it comes to the face.
2) There is an actual example of what people mean by unnatural/superhuman levels of beauty/sexyness – Superhero comics. The unrealistic standard of beauty they foster is literally one based on unachievable physical standards, dependent on artist. This may make things harder for your superhero comic to convey.
3) Given that sexyness in real life is heavilly dependent on body language and familiarity, supernatural attractiveness could focus on those instead of purely physical attributes, fitting years worth of growing familiarity, affection and attraction into a few minutes.
Which would be appropriate for a speed-based super.
Just sayin’.