Grrl Power #126 – What if the thing he’s best at is getting stabbed?
Sydney is far from the first person to suggest that Wolverine is actually a terrible fighter because he relies so heavily on his regeneration – of course, the same thing could be said of anyone who has armored skin. Next time you see a hero in a comic charging into a room with bullets dramatically bouncing off him, think about how much better heroes that can’t afford to get hit have to be than him.
The conversation is skirting dangerously close to becoming meta at this point, but I figure if there were real superheros, they’d sit down and have a conversation about superhero tropes at some point. They’re not going to run through them all right now of course, as there are a killion of them, but it’s a fair bet this isn’t the last time they’ll come up in the story.
If you’re not familiar with the term “trope,” it basically means a writing convention that an audience will recognize. I think the best way to explain it is if you remember the scene in True Lies were the Bad Guy is giving his speech about America Bad, etc, and the henchman’s camera runs out of battery? Everyone in the audience figured the henchman was going to get shot by the Bad Guy. That’s a trope because everyone knows that Bad Guys off failed henchmen. Of course, James Cameron subverted the trope by having the Bad Guy just tell the henchman to go get another battery. It’s easy to confuse trope with cliché, as some tropes are so common they actually are clichés, but mostly they’re just useful terms to describe recurring elements in storytelling.
I’m going to do something dangerous here and link TVTropes, but first a warning. Remember when you discovered Wikipedia the first time, and you went to read up on the Moon Landing, and 4 hours later you had 32 tabs open and were reading about Pavlova? Well, TVTropes is an order of magnitude worse than Wikipedia, so don’t click the link if you have any plans for the rest of the day. BTW thanks to whoever is updating the Grrl Power tropes page. For some reason I can’t log in to do any editing. Click with caution my friends. TVTropes.org
One thing I’ve been surprised about is that while they have been discussing Sydney’s qualifications, no one’s brought up the possibility that she might be wigged out by actual combat. When confronted by a gun in the bank, she froze. And she threw up immediately afterward from fear.
Given that this is a military organization, it strikes me as odd that no one has wondered if she would really be an asset in a fight, or if she would just alternate between cowering and spastic rage like she did in the bank. Also, could she counted on to achieve an objective as part of a team without getting completely distracted by a shiny object?
To be clear, I personally have complete faith that Sydney will rise to the challenge, I’m just surprised no one in the comic has raised those objections.
Ok yeah but they also mentioned that she might be even more of a threat to herself if unchecked by their organization.
and they did also earlier mention training so – they might cover stuff like combat situations or maybe realised she just is untrainable :3
They are a Military orginization, taking useless wimpy sad sacks of civillian and turning them into fearless moderately well behaved killing machines is what they do. Also it has already been demonstrated that she has no inherent inhibitions against doing violence to others (quite the opposite actually) – and that is one of the hardest things to train into someone. The hardest is the ability to instantly respond to threats with a correct response (typically violence, which Sydney also has already demonstrated) Most people when faced with a sudden threat or suprise freeze or hang. Once you willingly risk your life and survive it just gets easier every time you do it, as any adrenaline junkie can tell you.
Who says she has to be on the front line/active deployment? Maybe she could be part of the Intelligence (and yes, do notice the irony of that being applied to Ms Scoville :P) Division, or even Survallaince (spelt wrong, don’t care)
Trust me, I’m from the Internet.™ I’ve been in combat and I froze the first time somebody started shooting at me. I lived. You live you learn. Some of the most spastic personalities have iron cores when you throw them in the deep. You can’t predict who will crack and who will adapt either. Seen some gung-ho people snap too over little stuff too. Some people just easily separate one thing from another easily. Others can’t help having the bad stuff bleed into the rest of the core of who they are. That’s life.
Most humans do the same. Basic Training has evolved over the centuries to effectively erode the peace instinct. They’ve already said they were gonna put her through basic. That should go over well.
Scene location: Military psychiatric ward
An orderly wheels in a straight-jacketed man on a trolley. The man is struggling, his face contorted. A doctor stands by a long row of beds, filled with tough-looking men, all similarly restrained. Some show bandaged wounds. All have a maniacal look in their eyes!
Orderly: Got a Master Sergeant here, doc, where do you want him?
Doctor: Just put him here, with the others casualties from Project Halo.
Zephan Zong did in https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/684 when he called her a spaz.
Also, in https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/676, Max points out that recruiting her will allow them to “temper her behavior”- meaning that she’ll be trained to react properly, reliably and safely.
Those are issues of concern to military folk, but in general all that gets sorted out in basic training. Most people can learn to overcome their fear to act when needed.
Except Archon’s mission si to protect the country from superpowered threats. technically, if Sydney proved unable to fight, they could still explain the cost of training her to control her powers as protecting America from the effects of an irresponsible super.
to clarify- because posts here can’t be edited- the military can’t take someone who can’t fight because their mission is to fight when needed by the nation. hence, training someone who can’t fight is useless. Archon, while it does have a combat arm- ArcSwat- has a mission broader than pure combat.
Actually various militaries have had to take people who can’t or won’t fight. Pacifists are a prime example. Given the alternative, in war-time conscription, is to waste resources and capabilities by imprisoning them, finding a useful role is a better option. Typically they will be trained as medics. This is just as dangerous a job as fighting, but allows the individuals to keep their principles of not killing.
Another, far more serious, problem is that the vast majority of humans shy away from killing other people. Even after they have gone through basic military training! Battlefield analysis shows that a frighteningly high proportion of soldiers must be shooting to miss (when compared to their known capabilities, and factoring in the differences between real and simulated combat)
Most people are sheep, who rely on a few wolves, amongst them, to protect them.
But, as to the gist of your comment, you are correct. Archon is more than just a killing machine. In fact Maxima made an early comment, to the senior staff, that they would have hired her even if the only power she had was her True Sight Orb. The organisation has great need for versatility.
Strange how she mentions powers that more or less just are character quicks effecting instead of like powers that are actually “bad” – like need to eat blood/souls/uncontrolled power bursts that cause major damage. was my first thought on the word “bad” instead of “trope” issues
Well, we have not yet had nightfall. Perhaps tonight will be a full moon? If so, the press conference might be a bit more… interesting than such an event would normally be. Unleash the werewolf orb!
Oh no she didn’t. Tell me she did not just slander wolverine!
The Future Mr Scoville? Not likely! She was just pointing out that his greatest ability comes with an equal sized downside (that, and using one of her inate abilities to Exagerate Hyperbole)
I’m just excited to see them in their 90’s costumes, just the way I remember them from when I first picked up X-Men as a kid. :)
you make me feel so old, i remember when wolverine joined the xmen to save the first xmen from a island lol
The original Wolverine costume (the one with the whiskers) back when he fought Hulk and the Wendigo is cooler, but the yellow and brown is the coolest (followed in no real particular order: the ‘Fang’ and the black ‘X-Force’ costumes)
I would argue that Wolverine is the best at what he does not because of his regen ability, but his ability to avoid damage when he needs to. Believe it or not, he has done that before.
Would like to see how well Cyclops would fare in a fight if his optic beam had a range of… say 1 Meter.
All MMO players that have played ranged damage dealers know what happens when the tank stops soaking up the damage.
Point 1) You want to take away Logan’s eyes and give him a spear?
Point 2) I have a macro for that! (rotate toon 180 degrees, blink away, go invisible, autorun)
Yea, I saw that a lot. When one of my controllers joined the team. The villains would be immobilised, stunned, held, dazed or otherwise rendered incapable of rendering harm. Then the ranged damage dealers would be able to mop up without distracting enemy fire. And the tank could start practicing hood ornament poses.
sweet :)
used to do the same thing with my MM
Oooo! Pavlova! Now that’s a dangerous subject to bring up in a room with mixed antipodeans :D
Almost as bad as asking them the correct pronounciation of “Fish & Chips” :P
I only recently heard that word and had to look it up, so I figured I’d put it to good use. :)
Don’t just read about it, you must eat one (and make sure you use fresh kiwifruit {anyone who drops the ‘fruit’ will get a serious kick in their berries} and whipped cream, the kind you make from freah cream not the spray-can kind, the cool-hwip kind is just for optional decoration)
The only fruit I eat are the kinds that don’t keep so well on pavlova. Does that mean I get kicked in the berries?
Mum’s made some variations involving flake chocolate and crushed up peppermint crisp. Yummy.
damn now I want a mango Pavlova stupid stomach
No no no, only if you don’t use the correct name: it is a kiwiFRUIT, in the same way the little red fruit with the seeds on the outside are called strawberries and not just ‘straw’ (extremely loyal kiwi {of the wingless variety} who is tired of americans dropping the ‘fruit’ from our national fruit {okay, technically the kiwifruit was originally called a ‘chinese gooseberry’, but they bear little to no resemblance anymore, kiwiberries on the other hand…)
Chocolate flakes (mmm, Cadbury Flake bar /drool) and crushed peppermint crunch sounds like a yummy topping, as does mango. You can even get pineapple and strawberry flavoured pavlova (the pav itself is flavoured)
Far enough. Let me just go on the record now that when I say “Kiwi” by itself, I’m using it to refer to a New Zelander, not to the fruit.
Mum made the peppermint crisp pavlovas for christmas dessert last year. Little individual serve pavlovas, too, so the fruit eaters in the family didn’t have to miss out on my account.
Wait, no one has yet to comment on how cool it is that Maxi and Syd are debating “Comic Dynamics as Applied to the Real World”? (if that becomes a collage/university/post-graduate thesis, all credit must be giving to me!!)
Oddly enough there is something similar. Teaching film makers (and other story tellers) how to apply real world physics to super hero movies (and science fiction ones etc). Using the principle that any story is entitled to one bit of ‘weird’ physics that we suspend our disbelief for. The thing that makes the story interesting, gives the hero(es) powers or whatever. But beyond that it should keep everything else as real as possible (with some leeway for storytelling and artistic license, but not for bad science).
If it interests you, there is an interviewer with one of the academics who specialises in this subject, on a recent radio podcast, that you can download for free.
You will need to scroll down to the episode dated Thu, 3 Jan 13 and entitled “Norovirus, superheroes and army underpants”. The presenter is an extremely good science interviewer, and the series can be very entertaining and informative for breaking science and technology news in particular.
Thank you, might check it out one day, but kinda get bored listening to podcasts (tend to avoid them for that reason), even get bored watching TV shows that really interest me (as soon as it even starts to get dull the channel-surfing begins :()
Funny that you would bring up that example with Wolverine. Manji, the protagonist of Blade of the Immortal – that has basically a much gorier supernatural version of the same power (creepy magical worms that will re-stitch or replace any lost/damaged parts) comments in a personal self-depreciating note that ganing those powers made him much sloppier with time due to his familiarity and the conscience that even a bullet to the head won’t really kill or seriously impair him.
Both things, bullet to the head and the aforementioned dialogue/monologue, occur in the first number if my memory is right. :P
Good News Everyone!
It looks like one of the team may be getting a promotion. On the news this morning (check it out if you don’t believe me) it was stated that Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands is stepping down to be replaced by her son prince William and his wife, princess (and soon to be queen) Maxima.
“He and Princess Maxima are fully prepared for their future roles,” Beatrix said. “They will serve our nation with dedication, faithfully preserve the constitution and bring all their talents to the monarchy.”
I wonder if they will be able to get Sydney to sit through the whole coronation without blowing something up.
Congratulations Maxima. Perhaps it might inspire Dave for an upcoming vote incentive? The Crown Prince is rather too old for her though, I think. Maybe readers could get his creative juices flowing with a clever alternate prince suggestion?
I would go for Westley, from the Princess Bride. Ok, he is not a prince himself * (unless you consider him to be a prince of pirates), but he did win the hand of the princess. However he is cool enough to be nominated for the role!
* Hidden in the chance that someone reading has not yet seen the movie. If not, go buy a copy straight away. It is good enough that it should be in anyone’s permanent collection!
I also recommend that you buy the book as well.
I assume you’re referring to Goldman’s version. If you ever have an opportunity to read the Morganstern edition, save yourself the effort and let it slip. It wasn’t a coincidence the movie showed Grandpa thumbing past entire sections. Seriously – over 20 pages of Buttercup picking out her shoes for the day?
That does tend to be the version that is on the shelves (at least, that’s the one I’m putting back at closing time in the store).
Apparently I’m not very good at the whole hipster-meta-ironic comedy thing…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Bride
Possibly over-thinking it there Sydney…
On another note: Oh God… where did the day go… CURSE YOU TV TROPES!
Yet another note: great story so far, am really excited to see where the story will progress. Also loving the art style.
So why hasn’t sydney tried to use the two unknown orbs to fix her eye?
Considering how much of a clutz she is, she probably has and neither have healing/regenerative powers
Well in This comic, she hadn’t tested that: https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/515
I would have thought she would have mentioned it if she had tried it this time.
Considering how she reacted to simply saying ‘papercut’, and the fact they are both active, means they are not healing/regenerative (unless it is just a heightened healing factor and not an ‘instant fix-her-upper’)
That had me laughing at the Da Vinci mankind symbol on the alien’s bib. DON’T encourage me to go through another read of the archives!
Ok, when I read that there was a specific Grrl Power page on TVTropes, I submitted and clicked. Then blushed to see the awesome cartoon that my avatar was based on! And a shed-load of GP tropes. Somebody has been busy indeed.
But I remain resolute… I will not click on any of the links off that page… must not… must go do something else… quick… AAAAAHHRRRG!
Oh, you foolish person. TV Tropes is the black hole of the interwebz; once you’ve crossed the event horizon, there is no escape.
Doesn’t Sydney have a pen for “the list”?
I’m thinking that’s a pencil, and you want to sign a contract in pen.
Nope. Read back two comics, it’s a pen.
Syd’s just having an ADHD moment and forgetting that she carries one around all the time.
And I was wondering what the last words meant. :D
*climbs out of TvTropes,dirty and disheveled*
Dave, you bastard! You made me go through a Wiki Walk! YOU’RE ON THE LIST!
:p
Anyone ever considerd that what wolverine might be best at is taking hits?
I have never really thought much about Wolverine, myself. I still find it odd how popular he is in association with the X-Men franchise of films. To me he has nothing to do with them, from my own comic reading days, as I he did not feature in the X-Men at the time I was a fan. Only joining them after I moved onto other things. And I never did get into his solo stories.
Mind you, he comes over well enough in the movies, that I get how current fans enjoying his role. That said though, I would still prefer them to concentrate on the Beast and Iceman, which were my favourites, back in the day.
I gotta say, This is something that never dawned to me. But it’s right on the money! Everyone loves violence. so of course a character that can take any amount thrown at him and live would be a real money-maker. for the companies, I mean!
Wolverine has shown he is not just a mindless animal, it turns out that he was the one behind sending himself to the Weapon X program (and quite possibly one of the ones behind setting the whole thing up in the first place)
Not entirely, the Weapon Plus program (which the Weapon X program was part of) started in the Forties with a little experiment called Project: Rebirth. Weapon 1 (AKA Steve Rogers AKA Captain America) is considered the best achievement of Weapon Plus. Weapon X began the experimentation which Wolvie may or may not have had a part of setting up but Romulus likely did.
Pen ME!!!!
Lolz oh man Sydney is such a fun character.
Wolverine is the best at what he does, and what he does best is sell books.
I’m not sure why, but when you said “Click with caution my friends” the most evil maniacal laugh escaped from my mouth. I found what you were saying funny (as I’ve been sucked into that void before), but I mean, this was like a pure evil genius laugh. Maybe it was just a cosmic reaction to the chaos you just unleashed upon your readers? And yea, TVTropes…. dangerous, dangerous stuff.
You’re good, Dave. Evil mastermind good.
Oooo new vote incentive. Multi-harem looks fun but oww, that gymnast move looks painful!
I have to say, Thing one is by far my fave of them so far. She seems to have the most fun. (I know they’re all the same person, but they all act like they have slightly different personalities).
Just trying to place which one is which.
Top left: Thing 1
Top middle: Blondie
Top right: Goth
Middle: Military
Bottom: Glasses
That look right to you guys?
Seems about right to me, specially ‘glasses’ being the one doing the smexy splits
Do all 5 have the 5 stars tattoo? Is that another way to tell them apart (with maybe Thing 1/original not having the stars)?
Wait, instead of ‘Glasses’, how about ‘Abbey’? As in the hot scientist from NCIS (Gothette doesn’t look as much like Abbey as ‘Glasses’ does, not that she looks much like Abbey either, but definately getting a sexy-scientist vibe from her)
That would just mean figuring out names for Blondini and Military Harem (but neither ‘Jo’ nor ‘Jane’ would be appropriate for Military)
Avoiding names that are likely to be copyright or trademarks of some sort (such as Xena), one of the most famous military females would have to be Boadicea, Queen of the Iceni, terror of Rome and sacker of London!
However, if you want something a bit more contemporary, you could go for Joan. As Joan of Arc (a.k.a. The Maid of Orléans and Jeanne d’Arc) was also a pretty kick-arse military leader.
Hmmm, forgot about those 2. Joan (or maybe Jeannie) would work, or even Bodie (pronounced ‘Bow*-dee**)
Don’t know why, just have the feeling calling her ‘GI Jo’ or ‘GI Jane’ would result in said namecaller getting 10 fists in the face followed by 5 boots to the gut
*as in ‘pretty little pink bows in her hair
**as in the 4th letter of the english alphabetical system
WOW! *Double checks date* Yup. Still three days before the first comic is due this month, yet already at number 3 in the Top Webcomics list!
And there I was thinking that holding 4th place consistently all last month was impressive. Maybe the new vote incentive has helped?
Looking forward to seeing it as the colouring is added. Assuming Dave does not run out of flesh tones! ;-)
“…run out of flesh tones!” if wasn’t going to be voting anyway, that certainly would have done the trick :P
DaveB, may I be the first to congratulate you drum-roll on hitting the number 1 spot on Top Webcomics!
Let’s hope we can keep Grrl Power up where it deserves to be.
What the? Is it Friday already? I just went on to TVTropes for a few minutes Monday morning, right? Timey Wimey ball. It sort of got away from me there.
Did you know you can get watered down pepper spray for eating if you like really spicy food? Although Sydney might want the original stuff.
Wow, somehow I am not surprised you are back in number 1 with the new vote incentive.
Ok, I’ve got to touch on this: if Maxima is a Lt. Col., why does her cast page listing show her with a full colonel’s bird? (Not that it isn’t a lovely bird….) Plenty of possible explanations, I’d just like to know which one applies.
Lt. Col. applies. Dave tweaked various ranks to be more appropriate and will fix the obsolete ones, where they appear, as and when he has time.
To clarify: why does a lieutenant colonel have the rank insignia of a full-bird colonel instead of the silver leaf appropriate to a lt. col.? (Honestly, folks, read the punctuation.) I’m sure Dave was just in a hurry to provide us with more meaty content, so if it’s an error, we’ll forgive it (& probably forget it, once corrected).
She was originally intended to be a full colonel. Once somebody pointed out that this is just one rank short of general, and that Maxima was rather young for that, Dave decided to amend her rank to Lt. Col. as I said. It is simple to change the text. Fixing the pictures takes longer and will be done when he gets a chance.
As a point of note, Dave is very good at keeping to the publishing schedule, and sensibly prioritises that over tweaking the cast list and other things that are on the to-do list. Finding time for the extras is not easy as he holds down a full time job.
That would be the explanation I was looking for. I hadn’t known Max was “demoted” in the planning stages. And of course, as my DM is fond of saying, “real life trumps game”… or comic. The day job comes first, otherwise you’re cheating everyone.
And a week after signing she suddenly discovers her ‘bad’ powers…
Would honestly not surprise me.
1) I looked at the vote incentive
2) DaveB owes me new pants.
2) It does wash out. Just don’t let it dry on too much.
2) You don’t know what happened to my pants
Speaking of Harem, there are Hare-styles that sort-of match Heatwave, Peggy, and Gwen. The long-blonde *could* sort-of match Arianna if she ever let her hair down…
…so until we see a good match I’m calling short-platinum Harem as Harem-Alpha
No, the strawberry blonde/pink (or Thing 1) is the original, just read the Cast Page
It doesn’t say that explicitly. Maybe that’s just what she wants you to think.
OK, haven’t noticed anyone say this yet, (haven’t read all sub comments yet though) but I have a really great quote to throw into the pot of “healer” powers.
I can’t remember which comic or movie it was from .. it was so long ago .. ..
Blasted big fight between the good guys and the bad guys. Our hero (maybe heroine) has strenght, agility and regenerative powers. He jumps and doges his way through the battlefield, cutting down (or blasting, can’t remember) enemies left right and center. Makes his way to the big bad guy and stops the spell (or machine), kills the bad guy and it’s over. Later when they are cleaning up the wounded….
Higher up come in and starts yelling at our hero, “You g*d-d*mned idiot! You could have finished this faster and we wouldn’t have so many injured. You could have charged straight up there and killed (what’s his face) in less then a minute, but no you had to show off and take 5 times longer! You can heal from wounds faster then I can piss! Nothing can kill you! Nothing can stop you! You could have shrugged off all that damage and charged on up! What do you have to say for yourself?!” (I may be missquoting here but it the general idea)
Hero, “Just because it doesn’t kill, doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt.”
I love that quote. you may be invunerable or a fast healer but if your mind is clouded with pain you can’t do anything 100% accuratly.
Yeah, was tidying up the other week and re-discovered a GN collection of classic Wolvie stories and one of them was when Maggie forcibly removed the adamantium and it was discovered he had bone claws, towards the end of the story he was having a quiet chat with Jubes about it and he mentioned that he has to keep ‘popping’ the claws to keep the channels open (like with earring holes) and he mentioned that even when he had the full healing it hurt
He is invulnerable to injury, not impervious to pain
GrrlPower has a TVTropes page??? (Has numerous tabs already spanning numerous windows. Addams Family, SpiderMan, and SherlockScan to name a few.)
LOVED it so far ^^
Never laughed so much while reading an online comic.
Looking forword to reading more!
On a side note:
I discoverd the site thanks to TVTropes (see “Stupid Sexy Flanders”) and now you are pointing others there ^^ (Although I would have appreciated the warning you gave somewhere around Saturday morning…)
if i had a power, it would be an old book i found in a dusty attic with spells that let me defy gravity and stuff and i could go cartwheeling around town twenty feet in the air trolling all the birds.
I always thought wolverine was so good at fighting because he didn’t have to be careful. Most fighters have to spend more of their energy defending than attacking, wolverine is all offense because he knows he can take the hit.
A new character/image? Jiggawatt…. for some reason my eyes keep making that read as Juggawatt… best go check my meds.
We gonna get a ‘cast bio’ on her soon?
ಠ_ಠ Sydney put in a lot more consideration than I thought she would, but for all the dumbest reasons.
The other reason Cyclops doesn’t get wounded as often as Wolverine is because his powers let him strike at range. So he just blasts enemies before they can get close enough to attack and evades any ranged attacks coming at him. Wolverine just relies on his claws as a rule so he needs to charge in close making him an open target for ranged attacks. His claws don’t have great reach either so he tends to get stabbed by anyone with a longer weapon. Finally, Wolverine often fights beserker style, he doesn’t try to defend or dodge but just goes straight at the enemy.
Surface to Air missile. Am I the only Vet reading this?
And they work on Radar, TV, or IR guidance. Not all three types, just one per type of missile.
Bet her business partner is wondering how long it takes to make a police report on a robbery…
Not unless he closed the shop, threw away his mobile phone, avoided walking past any radio, TV or news-stand and has hidden himself in some cave. Her face would feature somewhere, on every news report. Even if he somehow missed the news himself, there will be tons of people calling him up and telling him. Anybody, who knows Sydney, will be aware that they are partners. Not to mention the hordes of comic/superhero fans who would have descended on the shop. Following Halo’s advertisement, live on national and world-wide TV.
Don’t forget to vote folks. We did well to keep the comic at 2nd place, in the Top Web Comics list. Right up to the end of the month. But we are now only sitting in 5th position.
The big thing that defines the difference between a good hero with a cool power and a bad one is whether they make use of it to do better, or just to compensate for incompetence. A good hero might shrug of the hail of bullets, but he isn’t taking cover for more reasons than just because he doesn’t have to, maybe he wants to intimidate his foes with a show of invincibility, or maybe give a diversion while his allies get in position to flank. A bad hero is just too lazy to fight smart when they can use their power as a crutch.