Grrl Power #1207 – Eighteen school busses
I wouldn’t normally call out “special” but it’s such an uncommon use of the word that you might not even find it on a casual google. I couldn’t. I asked around on twitter to make sure it really was a word. It just doesn’t come up much in a layman’s world. Of course, as soon as Earth learns of other intelligent life, you can bet “specist” will enter the common vocabulary. Because people are the worst.
Folks were asking how demons were so freely out and about. Well, it’s because Deus is super smart and everything he does advances multiply layers of his many cascading plans, and definitely not because I’m a dummy and didn’t think about it while I was writing the previous pages.
Dabbler is out as an alien. The type of alien she happens to be is “Demon,” but Demon isn’t simply a species of alien. It’s somewhere between a Class and Phylum. Demon is such a broad term because there was a long period of their history when they were Genghis Khaning their way across the galaxy, both in the areas of conquest and ensuring that demonkind has a lot of direct descendants. Even if there’s only a 1 in 1,000 chance of a demon “pillager” getting species X pregnant, in the last 30 or so millenia, there’s been a buttload of chances for that roll. Even if the resultant offspring didn’t have the same chance of passing on its DNA (or whatever demons use) the half-demon was usually still fertile with other members of its own clade. Demons have flexible chromosomes too. If a male demon impregnates a female whatsit, the offspring would be a demotsit, and if a female demon got pregnant by a male whatsit, the offspring would be a watsmon, kind of like the whole Tigon/Liger thing. So there are a lot of things that are considered “demons” even if they’re hybrids of things from well outside the usual demon orders and classes.
I decided a long time ago that there aren’t parallel planes of existence in the Grrl-verse. Demons are straight-up aliens. There’s no dimension of Infernium or whatever. There are other planes, but it’s stuff like the Astral plane, and physical objects can’t exist there. You can’t visit, because the laws of physics are wildly different. And not like, there’s less gravity. That bugs me when you see it in shows, like everything’s the same but you can jump higher. No, if there was less gravity, then stars would have to be proportionally larger to initiate fusion and it would affect their lifespans and what elements they could produce and the rate at which they went supernova and everything else about that universe would be different. Planes in the Grrl-verse like the Astral don’t, for instance, have the Strong Electromagnetic Force, so there’s no matter whatsoever, or at least no atoms, and the entire place is just two clouds of positively and negatively charged particles, each the size of half of all the matter in our universe if it was in nebula form, whipping around each other in storms that would make the troposphere of Jupiter look mild.
One thing that bugs me in fiction is the near-universal acceptance of the idea of parallel universes. Now, I’m not up on cutting-edge theoretical physics, but I’m pretty sure most fiction gets that wrong. The idea that every choice you make creates a new potential timeline where X happens instead of Y is… wildly egocentric. You’re telling me that when I eat a grilled cheese for lunch instead of a Cup-o-Ramen, that decision somehow creates ENOUGH ENERGY to CAUSE A BIG BANG somewhere else 14 billion years ago, so that now there’s a parallel universe that’s perfectly synchronized with ours at the moment I made that decision? (Talk about a lack of free will for the 14 billion years leading up to my lunch since every single other decision and grain of sand and raindrop has to happen exactly the same as our universe.) Because if that’s the case, we urgently need to recalculate the number of calories in a grilled cheese.
No, my understanding is that there are infinite potential futures due to quantum uncertainty. Any given quantum particle might spin this way or that way or go up or down or whatever, and there’s no way to know that until it happens. That doesn’t mean there is a whole universe for every single possible position and momentum state for every single quantum particle in our universe, and hundreds of millions of goo-gillions of universes are snuffed out as each particle resolves its state for every picosecond tick of the clock in our universe. It’s not a place we can go, it’s just… mathematically conceptual.
And yeah, there’s some great sci-fi out there with mirror universes and whatnot. In fact it’s kind of hard to find a lot of sci-fi that doesn’t have a “meet ourselves but we’re evil” tangent. Still, the idea that there are an infinite number of versions of the characters out there carrying on the struggle always made me feel like nothing they did mattered. Like, “Oh no, the Goa’uld invaded Earth.” So? There’s a million-billion-googillion Earths where that didn’t happen. Then sometimes I would think that American media always has the good-guys win because we only see events from the universe where the good-guys won. Like the producers are filming actual events from different universes and if something bad happens that doesn’t sufficiently provoke positive drama then they switch feeds to Universe 03840980384083-b.
I could be, and probably am wrong about how multiverse theory works, but I’ve never seen an explanation that addresses my Big Bang-generating food choices. The point is, all supernatural stuff in the Grrl-verse is either just an alien – usually an alien with some innate magical ability, or are native terrestrial entities, again with some magical traits.
Taxonomy would be a pain in the ass in a magical world. Consider that if elves are Fey and come originally from the Feywilds, and orcs come from Shadowfell and are descendents of whatever is the Fey equivalent that lives in there, (which may or may not be the case depending on the particulars of a fiction’s lore – I know in LOTR both elves and orcs had Fey origins, but Sauron got his hands on a group of elves and gave them evil cooties or something.) But for the sake of argument, let’s say that’s how it is. Chances are, elves and orcs would never be able to interbreed. Half-elves and half-orcs, sure, but not Elcs or Orves. BUUUUT, in a world with magic, the laws of nature are really just suggestions. Some mad or just slightly lonely wizard is going to make it happen if he really wants it, so what do taxonomic charts look like in that world? Half-elves, Elcs, Half-giant/half-dwarf (don’t think too hard about the logistics or the either very easy or almost definitely deadly delivery), Dwagons (half-dragon/half-dwarf, or possible half-dwarf/half-wagon), Koboltyughs (half-kobold/half-otyugh – don’t think about how that one came about either), and that one guy who is half-gnome/half-gelatinous cube. A gelatinous gnome. No one knows how that happened.
And don’t forget non-player character race mixes, like a Displacer Otyugh. I mean, that one makes sense. An Otyugh and a Displacer Beast meet each other and are like, “Hey, baby, nice tentacles you got there.” The hard part would be lining up the mating apparatus. “No, dummy, I’m over here! You haven’t even mounted me yet!” “Oh, thank god, I just thought you were super loose.” “How dare you!” *fight fight fight/eventual devolvement of fighting into mating/kids*
My point is Taxonomy would be a right mess in a world like that.
The September vote incentive is up! Let’s call it the November vote incentive and just say I’ve still got two I.O.U’s, eh?
Well, Dabbler is doing her Dabbler things, and the Patreon version has a nude variant and a comic that… I don’t know, expounds on the goings on of the initial picture?
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Double res version will be posted over at Patreon. Feel free to contribute as much as you like.
Deus is my absolute favorite asshole.
Largely because we think alike, in this regard.
My long-game for M:tA was always going to be dismantling the veil of conspiracies separating the mundane and supernatural, with the specific goal of giving the Sleepers more direct control of the world we share with them.
Call me utopian if you must, but I hold that Sleepers have some of the best Dreams. ^_^
I want to talk about how much I like Deus but I’m currently too distracted by the slapfight between Lorlara and the Scourger with Scarlett looking on with abject amusement.
How do we get them into a pool filled with Jello?
It’s the internet. I’m sure that exists somewhere.
don’t the sleepers get a level of magical protection from the things they aren’t seeing? Stripping that away seems like it’d be a really bad idea, unless your goal is to have magic become a core part of every junior high education.
Which, would be cool, but unless I’m mixing this up with another setting, don’t some of the groups gain power from people being aware of them?
Stealing Lunacy from all the Sleepers and forcing them to behold the horrible truth.
That’s a great BBEG plot!
You are confusing this with another setting, like Dresden and a couple other supernaturals, maybe even World of Darkness to some extent. There’s been no explicit sign that the Veil does anything to help protect mundane mortals from the Veiled living among them.
No, in this setting the veil is the least veil like of any Supernatural setting. It is as the comic put it a glamor that targets specific species programmed into via magical sigil stones placed around the world. But once the public has a high enough awareness that something exists the glamor can’t compensate enough so they are removed from the glamor list.
In the many worlds hypothesis, all possible worlds already exist as quantum states that are collapsed by a choice into the world we live in. This is also the isekai hypothesis, that sometimes we get “rebooted” in a possible world by a particularly violent death.
There exists a variant of the Parallel Universe Theory that says that only MAJOR choices actually spawn full-blown alternate branches. Unless eating that grilled cheese caused other, bigger things to happen, it wouldn’t matter.
Best demonstration of this is the Doctor Who episode “Turn Left”. Because Donna chose to turn right and continue being a temp, she ended up being in a position to meet the Doctor. Because she met the Doctor, the Doctor didn’t drown underneath the Thames and die permanently. “Turn Left” shows what would have happened if she caved to her mothers pressure and turned left to interview for a different job.
do you mean ‘Griffin, the last Archanan’ from MIB 3 ??
“oh no, if he forget to pay his tip , that mean some thing bad will happen!”
It’ll be fun if/when he finally gets snubbed himself on something he can’t control. (Getting the date with Maxima doesn’t count.)
You want the two words which really differs “just” in one physical constant? Isaac Asimov, The Gods Themselves, 1972. The constant has something to do with strong and weak nuclear forces and means that stable isotopes have different amount of neutrons. The universes differs a LOT because of this “small detail”.
“Spell my name with an ‘S'” is another one, by Heinlein.
All that happens is the guy changes his name to be spelled with an S instead of a Z. Nuclear war is averted.
Then the higher powers playing games go for ‘double or nothing’ to put it back the way it was…
That story was one of Asimov’s, actually. You can check it on ISFDB to verify.
Theres a good strategic life-lesson in The Gods Themselves too.
So I guess he’s saying Doc Smith got it right when the Lensman was kicked into the universe where physics was different and EVERYTHING was wildly different as a result. Along with no life they ever found, not that they looked around that place much.
yessss, another Lensman fan!!!!!!!!!!! :) Woo hoo!
If you can interact with something in any way at all then it’s part of your Universe.
That’s what a Universe *is*.
That’s only our current definition, one bespeaking our limited understanding. Once, “the land” described everything we could imagine, and then we discovered other continents and needed something to call them.
in cultivation fiction(cultivation is a Chinese fiction genre focused around getting stronger and gaining immortality and perhaps even apotheosis thru a mix of martial arts, alchemy and meditation) they refer to the setting as “The Land”, even tho it usually only means China
No you have to come up with a new “diabolical” plan for Deus to accommodate this plan requirement. More red thread for the pin plan man.
Apparently my earlier comment failed to post. As a firm believer in multiverse theory, there’s no need for additional energy to create multiple big bangs. The amount of cosmic energy which created one universe in one dimensional plane also created one in every other such plane, with the number of such planes being either literally infinite or effectively so (although even in the former case, I wouldn’t go looking for otherwise identical universes where you made one lunch decision differently an hour ago, as it’s unlikely this will produce any perceptible change…a line contains infinite points, even if it’s only a one-millimeter line segment, but good luck identifying one particular millionth of a billionth of a trillionth of a nanopicofemtometer, without accidentally hitting one that was a few dozen hundred thousand to the left or the right of where you were aiming.
I can seriously explain a lot more about the fifth and sixth dimensions of spacetime than you probably want me to. I’ve been working it out in my head ever since I was like ten or so, and solved the entire system at least twice, annoyingly managing to forget the answer both times even when I knew the second time that I needed to write it down.
As long as you have infinite universes you don’t need to create new universes for “choices” because there are already infinite copies of every single universe.
Note that in a universe where particles become causally disconnected at sufficient distances and the universe is “flat” Any given region of space may have infinite copies producing a similar effect.
Found the word “interspecial” on Wiktionary but also saw “interspecific” as an option. So it may be a word?
Now that you mention it, the comic needs four-armed anthropomorphic displacer beasts or the ilk. Mebbe ‘taur; taurs are fun, and the tentacles would make dressing and such easier.
Thanks for clarifying the pronunciation/taxonomy of “special.” I appreciate it. :)
obligatory comment who gave the council the authority to decide about this
they did, after violently *removing* any elements within their own society that would oppose their ideals.
Elements such as… SmugD (they are working on making it permanent :P ) and Sciona (they tried… and failed, now she’s back and more dangerous)
Essentially that is where all authority comes from. Authority is taken, not given. At the root it is always enforced through violence of one sort or another. The beauty of democratic elections is that you end up with a near zero list of people who need to die to secure the new authority.
That’s overoptimistic. A democracy can perfectly well vote to do bad things to a minority, and historically a number of them have. That was why Madison argued for a constitution that provided elements of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, in the hope that each would restrain the failure modes of the other.
on the time thing without going into too much hypothetic temporal mechanics,
the one thing on the small decisions I heard relates to the fact time is not moving at the same speed on a universal level. Time is a dimension of space and like space is distorted and various other higher dimension mechanics may be involved.
That said the idea is the localized fractal timeline/collapse. This is mostly a thought experiment for quantum probability including the double slit experiment, but the idea on the large scale is this.
So the basic idea is time is connected to gravity, so every bit of mass in the universe has a “bubble” time correlating to said gravity, so like bubble within bubbles all the way up, the larger the object the more dominant the whole of the time “bubbles” is. Also a concept when talking about chrono anchors when time traveling but that’s a tangent here.
the nain focus is this, let’s say we have two events, the eating grilled cheese or the eating of a donut. Okay, so bothe vents occur, both are real, we don’t have a whole new universe, instead we have a localized temporal divergence *liketwo strings forming a circle moving together inside the larger whole, however they both can’t remain part of the whole, instead which ever one has the most impact on the surrounding bubbles will become the “true” event, the one that is really occuring, the real event. Both happened, but only one had enough of an impact on surrounding events around you so the other “didn’t happen”.
No alternate universe, no alternate timelines, you ate the grilled cheese which made you get in our car just slightly faster thane ating the donut and the causality spheres bubbled together to pop the other event out of existence and kept the grilled chesse.
(this is a gross over simplification and meant to relate to something on a MUCH smaller scale, but is the general idea of a fractal timeline. No divergence)
-although there is a variation where Both events end up having occurred leading either a misremembering of what happened “you think you only ate the grilled cheese but come home to realize both it and the donut are missing so figure you must have eaten both and forgot about it”
But in general yes, the idea that human actions can alter things on a universal scale is very egotistical, and one reason I can’t stand time travel storylines, especially those where its like “we will cause a paradox and that will destroy the entire universe”…yeah because you screwed your great ganrdparent…or killed them this means an alien civilization three billion galactic clusters away will just be wiped out of existence….that black hole a million times larger than the sun…totally can’t withstand the power of you shooting your dad in the past…an event that won’t even affect your local nation, let alone planet, but nope…massive black hole, trillions of galaxies, destroyed.
It just feels so weird and egocentric to think of the temporal stability of the universe at the universe scale as being that fragile.
like type 6 civilization science project that got an F in class kind of universe LoL
Dave, the trivial solution to your sandwich dilemma you need to weight each choice/branch by the probability of making each choice/branch. Total energy/mass is then conserved across all choices/universes.
Your choice of sandwich, however, does not begin to address the possibilities as alternate universes are being created umpteen gazillion times per second for each quantum entity. Being that there are goolzillion quantum entities and a very large number of seconds since the Big Bang, the probability of any given universe is pretty damm small!
We went from “melting pot” to “melting furnace” hot enough to melt a Terminator.
This reminded me of Robert Lynn Asprin’s Myth Adventures. How There were Demons in the world, but demon was just what you call a Dimension Traveler
if you think about it, a demon/dimen could ‘posess’ someone by getting trapped between dimensional planes within the other person’s body, and the reason it usually needs a priest to do the removal may be due to which dimension is being accessed, and how they’re actually stuck.
I’m one of these folks that was asking why these demons were freely out(although I now admit it was poorly formulated).
This page actually complicates the question, but now I’m going to dig myself(which I should have done before).
We already knew demons could choose to break the veil.
Dabbler has done it on multiple occasions.
The question relied on why they were suddenly doing it now.
I assume that breaking the veil required significant experience in illusions.
I also assume that taking that requirement away was what Deus did in the context of giving them more freedom.
I assume that the visible demons are young post-veil opinionated Demons. Who chose to be visible out of protest to the older demons who learned the hard way that walking non-veiled through the streets is dumb..
I also think the Alternate Dimension thing is way over used.
But i like the way Red Dwarf used it. only used a couple times and it almost redeemed Rimmer as a person.
Just going to stay at my personal head Cannon about how the Multiverse works. Basically it boils down to the fact that sometimes you can both remember to grab your keys in the morning and forget them on the table. But a week later, it does not matter. As time progresses both events collapse back into one time line.
Horrible summary, but I don’t want to type out the whole explanation on my phone.
I don’t have that much knowledge in thoric physics but, without electromagnetism, the strong force (and probably the weak force since it split from the strong force), there would be no charge, at all. There would be a lot of quarks bound (very loosely) by gravity in really huge clouds. photons are a property of electromagnetism after all (as a carrier particle). there would be energy and quarks doing… whatever quarks do without gluons around.
also, pretty sure that the parallel universe thing splits the timeline at the moment of the interaction, or at least I aways assumed that.
Time is not a river. It is an ocean. Eating a cheese or a noodle is like swishing your hand in that ocean. You might disturb one fish Mildly. But it’s very very minor. Drop a chunk of ice the size of new hampshire in it though, and you can change the path of currents and really make some interesting things happen. I don’t know what event would be that important. Never inventing nuclear fusion?
This is my headcannon about the mulitverse. It basically boils down to the ‘fact’ that you can both forget your keys in the morning, and remember them. But as time moves forward, both timelines collapse back into one. A week later nobody remembers which actually happened, nor does it matter.
This can and does scale up infintaly. Entire solar systems can disappear, and nobody notices only 50,000 Years later.
Sorry for double post. Didn’t see my previous one load.
And what will Deus offer the councel when humanity flips it’s shizz and attacks anything that suddenly appears should the veil go down from his antics? I also still cant believe *ALL* of his citizenry are okey-dokey with LITERAL DEMONS running around at his behest…
Dabbler can pull a “this is just what I needed” smooth over, something tells me other demons, psionic, and psionic-supers, at the behest of Deus can and will pull this a little stronger, just tweak that part of the brain that just *accepts* things as normal (you know the part that activates in dreams to make you just accept any surreal weirdness as normal), do this enough to people and there it is, with the occasional person going “Why do I just think this is normal?” who slips a little.
but even then such a plan only need apply for a generation or two (so forty years) and those born into such a society will just accept it as normal as that’s what they grew up with, just have to keep the aging population psionically sedated to “this is normal”.
In all likelyhood humanity can no longer defeat the ‘outsiders’ (alien/magical/fey), and probably never could. Against the aliens, the technology gap is just too great (waving stone spears at battleships). Against magic, well humans basically have so little knowledge its pointless (waving axes at electronic warfare countermeasures). And the council clearly has enough magic, plus access to tech, that they have been humanities owners for a very long time already.
The interesting question is what is causing super human expressions in humanity? (eg Maxima level powers) – and what do THEY want from humanity? That intervention may save our species. Or may just change our ownership?
The whole thing about half-elves and half-orcs and suchlike are why I long ago decided that in any universe I create they are all variants of a single species (or possibly genus).
Problem is, everyone assumes the other half is hyu-mon (just because hyu-mons will fuck anything with a hole or be fucked by anything with an appendage that will fit into their hole… or there is enough lubricant to make it fit)
The funny thing about infinity is it’s infinite. And I know you read that and go “well duh”, but it’s important to preface that because infinity is so mind bogglingly beyond our ability to comprehend that it ends up doing some funny things you wouldn’t think were possible.
Take an infinite range of possible numbers. Somewhere in that range is the exact bit-sequence, written in ones and zeros, to form some extremely specific jpg you just thought up. And that sounds completely absurd because, what are the chances of that? That’s a crapload of sequential ones and zeros in an extremely specific order and I expect you to believe that, when at any moment an 8 or a 5 could enter the stream and mess the “image” up entirely, that could possibly be a thing?
Yes. Yes. I do expect you to believe that. Because no matter how astronomically unlikely it would be, it happened. It literally doesn’t matter if, just to write the resulting randomly-generated number out, if every written digit was the size of a single quark, if it took all the matter that exists in our reality to make it happen. If it took twice or thrice that number-length, it wouldn’t matter. Infinity is INFINITE. It will happen, at least once, eventually.
And the further cool thing about infinity is that, if something has happened once, it has happened again. And again and again and again and again and again, an infinite number of times. Because, wow, the chance of it happening again is never ZERO, just like it wasn’t zero the first time it happened, therefore it will happen again.
So. Assume, for the moment, the multiverse is truly, literally infinite. The universe where literally every single thing is exactly the same up to one specific point, and then Jo Random turned left one day instead of right? Yeah, it exists. It exists an infinite number of times. As does the “original” timeline.
In sci-fi with mirror universes, I like to think of the multiverse as auto-sorting, so it just smushes all these improbably specifically similar universes together. Even though, realistically, just getting one with the right laws of physics in place would have taken another round of infinite dice rolls.
As for things not mattering in an infinite mirror universe situation… It matters to you, doesn’t it? You’re you, not you-from-the-next-world-over. Isn’t that enough?
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From my novel “Eclipse, The Girl Who Saved the World”–Alternative parallel universes.
The original Gibbs proof about the past and the future was two short paragraphs of which I could make neither head nor tail. The book spent 30 pages breaking the Gibbs proof up into small parts. Each part was supposed to be easy to follow. The fellow who wrote the thirty pages is said to be the greatest science writer since Amizov, Amizov being the muse of clear science writing. Except when I talked about muses with Mum, for Terpsichore Mum had an image of this statue, but for Amizov she remembered fondly this old guy with funny whiskers. I even understood two of the parts that he wrote. It’s just that after you had followed all the small parts you had come a very long way, and you wondered if you had really come all that far or if the wool had been pulled over your eyes.
I skipped to the end. The Forward said it was OK to skip like that. There was an image, translating the forest of derivatives into a simple picture. The picture I understood. I think. The picture is a line of pawns on a huge chessboard. The pawns represent whole worlds where history starts out slightly differently. They start out next to each other, farther away sideways being more different. By the time you get well sideways across the chessboard, history is completely different. The start points are ancient time. The simple view of history is that the pawns all move forward one space at the time, always staying in their own file. Worlds that start very similar to ours end up very similar to ours. Worlds that start out very different end up being very different. The butterflies show that every so often a pawn takes off sideways, so two pawns that start next to each other do not end up that way. The pawn next to ours marches off sideways and ends up halfway across the board. That’s maiasaurs not becoming intelligent.
You might think that would simply leave a gap in the file next to ours. No, there are as many files at the start of history as there are at the end. What Liouville and Gibbs showed, and someday I will understand that part of the book, is that every file was full at the start of time, so when we reach the present every file must still be full, one pawn per file. If the pawn next to us took off and ended up way across the board, there must be another pawn that started off someplace way across the board and ended up at our shoulders. I thought the mirror imaging looked pretty obvious. We’re not someplace special on that chessboard. If some of our nearby-at-start pawns end up someplace else, pawns from someplace else must end up nearby, because if they didn’t we would be at someplace unusual, someplace pawns from far away could not reach. Lots of people get extremely upset with the idea that world history could’ve started off completely different from ours, but when we get to the present the two worlds are almost the same. Liouville’s Butterflies, the forbidden book, is the famous proof that some histories converge. Most of the book is the arguments about what Liouville’s result means. If you were a parallel timeline believer, the “United States of America” Ambassador was proof that you were right.
From my novel Eclipse: The Girl Who Saved the World
Voice is Eclipse, age 12
There was an image, translating the forest of derivatives into a simple picture. The picture I understood. I think. The picture is a line of pawns on a huge chessboard. The pawns represent whole worlds where history starts out slightly differently. They start out next to each other, farther away sideways being more different. By the time you get well sideways across the chessboard, history is completely different. The start points are ancient time. The simple view of history is that the pawns all move forward one space at the time, always staying in their own file. Worlds that start very similar to ours end up very similar to ours. Worlds that start out very different end up being very different. The butterflies show that every so often a pawn takes off sideways, so two pawns that start next to each other do not end up that way. The pawn next to ours marches off sideways and ends up halfway across the board. That’s maiasaurs not becoming intelligent.
You might think that would simply leave a gap in the file next to ours. No, there are as many files at the start of history as there are at the end. What Liouville and Gibbs showed, and someday I will understand that part of the book, is that every file was full at the start of time, so when we reach the present every file must still be full, one pawn per file. If the pawn next to us took off and ended up way across the board, there must be another pawn that started off someplace way across the board and ended up at our shoulders. I thought the mirror imaging looked pretty obvious. We’re not someplace special on that chessboard. If some of our nearby-at-start pawns end up someplace else, pawns from someplace else must end up nearby, because if they didn’t we would be at someplace unusual, someplace pawns from far away could not reach. Lots of people get extremely upset with the idea that world history could’ve started off completely different from ours, but when we get to the present the two worlds are almost the same. Liouville’s Butterflies, the forbidden book, is the famous proof that some histories converge. Most of the book is the arguments about what Liouville’s result means. If you were a parallel timeline believer, the “United States of America” Ambassador was proof that you were right.
This always annoys me about the multi verse idea. Quantum physics works on small particles, but is completely collapsed on anything the size of us. We cannot be either here or at the other end of the galaxy like electrons. We are here and we remain here. So lets not apply things that work on tiny particles on us.
Well, no, and modestly macroscopic interference effects have now been demonstrated.
Ok, maybe quantum fluids have parallel universes ;P
I feel like observing that it would be totally obvious for Deus to notice that “demons are still covered by the veil and can more easily slip in and out if they want” considering he is leading, you know, a demon army. I’m not really impressed with Ingsol’s question here.
DEUS Gang rise up!
I Love that asshole! He is if not Thee, then one of, my favorit characters in this story.
I wonder over the stats on that, how many readers Love, Hate or don’t care either way for Deus?
Oh man, I wish I could make a trinity knot as small as Deus. Mine always comes out at least double in size…
Also, Ingsol kinda lost his accent there…
Shouldn’t it be “And just how do you know so much about ze inner vorkings of ze sigil towers” or somesuch?
Heh. I see there was some retroactive correction on Ingsol’s accent. Nice. Thanks Dave for indulging my OCD.
Okay this is a late comment, but I really don’t try to question the mechanics of multiversw theory, partially because it makes my head explode and partially because such things don’t interest me. I don’t care about plot mechanics half as much as the characters and storylines of a given tale.
Furthermore, not thinking ahead might explain some of the problems with the storyline we just got dpne reading, which has the stwnch of “Oh woops, I wanted to do 80’s style sleazy humour/fanservice and didn’t put enough thought into the mechanics I used to get there! Quick, go into damage control mode!”
Dave. you’re right that you’re totally wrong about how “multiverses” work in quantum mechanics.
If there are many worlds due to QM, they’re not just “mathematically conceptual” and they don’t involve multiple big bangs or splits whenever a choice is made. The Big Bang happens once then the worlds diverge from there whenever any particle can take multiple paths anywhere in a world (basically: all worlds share the same Big Bang).
MIT Press has a nice summary of the history of these views on QM and the implications of some current versions of the view: https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-many-worlds-theory/
Demon Harem?
Yeah, I wrote it, like 3 years ago? Or was it four…
(Dan’s Inferno – on Amazon)
its a little bit more complicated than “you choose red socks instead of green socks and that gets birth to an entirely new universe” thats just a simplified and easy explanation that is wrong but its easy, its more like “there are infinite universes but only a finite way for all the particles in the universe to get organized”
basically all posible states exist in the universe, and no it doesnt ruin your choices because ultimately they are yours, you dont need to be the only one in the entire multiverse to matter
@Dave:
Parallel universes is actually a misnomer. Universes _branch_ on each choice, not start off from scratch. They share the same past. The big bang produced literally infinite energy by literally dividing by zero (not OUR big bang, like, the original big bang that kicked off our big bang). And it’s even more detailed than you eating your sandwich. It’s if a single atom could wiggle left or wiggle right. And it’s more than just a mathmatical construct, it’s kind of pointed at by a BUNCH of phenomena. The only way it could be wrong, really, if our universe is a simulation (which is another big question).
Though I guess since our big bang is part of the original big bang, they’re the same big bang, so it’s not really an “our” vs “original” big bang, but more a “central part of the big bang” vs “our part of the original big bang”… like seeing the multiverse’s biggest firework go off, but you’re looking at it through a toilet paper tube and can only see part of the explosion…
And when I mean the universe divided by zero, I mean it legit divided by zero.
See, one of the interesting things in quantum physics is this quirk of the emergent nature of space. People think of ‘space’ as ’empty’, and matter/energy as what sits in it. And it is… ish. But thing is, they’re more connected than that.
Trippy part is that empty space is actually made by matter. Like each boson or fermion or whatever else of ‘stuff’ creates a bubble of reality around it, and if you have a lots of bubbles connecting into a big mass of bubbles, you get a universe… and if you ask “what’s in that empty space between stars, Colors?” the answer is empty space isn’t quite as empty as you’d think. Like any spot in space, you’d see stars, which means light bosons are passing through that spot.)
Now, the consequence of that is if you don’t have any matter/energy/whatever, you don’t have any space.
Now, there’s a way to look at matter/stuff & space…. how much matter makes up how much space… or… matter/space. So if matter = 0, and space = 0… then you have 0/0. And if you run the calculus asymptote stuff on that, 0/0 is basically like this super-infinite-anything-goes set of all reasonable possibilities thing.
So, if you don’t have anything, it has to rip itself apart into extra-everything.
If you want to know more about multiverses, here is a link to a paper that covers this stuff pretty well. It’s from mathematical physics professor Max tegmark at MIT.
https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf
Quantum mechanics is just one of four origins of Multiverse. The main thing that the Layman misses is that the physics description doesn’t consider whether you ordered ham or beef to be the decision that separates universes, it’s more like when an electron drops from an excited state to a lower state. Nothing you do changes the Multiverse at all the Multiverse already is. all its versions already are. It’s called the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Between Jackass and Youtube, stupid tricks doesn’t get the same publicity it used to.