Grrl Power #1188 – Uncommon frame of reference
Being a haberdasher in heavily demon populated areas would be interesting work. Cause of the horns. I’m saying hats would be almost entirely bespoke. Sure, hats that have baseball cap-like adjustable thingies for temple horns would cover like, 30% of hat needs, but that only assumes that the rest of their head is head shaped and not pointy or ridgey or covered in quills. Granted the quill guy probably won’t be wearing a hat under most circumstances. I guess a straw hat would work if you were real careful about threading the quills in the straw gaps. I guess quill guy could just wear one of those accounting caps that’s just brim but no actual hat.
In demon gym class you have to climb the corpse chain without knocking off any of the corpses, then ring the bell. Nowadays, in the “not so violent and horrible” era of post-astral influence, the corpses are usually simulated, and all the grandpa demons are like “back in my day you had to hunt and kill your own corpses, then string them onto the chain before you were allowed to climb it dagnabbit.” All while ignoring the fact that 7 out of 10 of his classmates died before graduating because of all the literal backstabbing. Also front stabbing. Clubbing from various angles, even the occasional assassination via holy water in the bidet.
In succubus gym class, “ringing the bell” at the top of the rope climb means something fairly different. The fact is that at any given moment, someone in Succubus Finishing School is having an orgasm. Which sounds fun, granted, but that’s often preceded by an Ultraviolet level of week-long blue balls. At least in the advanced classes. Yeah, being a succubus’s study partner seems great until you’re tied to her bed begging her to use the feather just one more time.
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Holy water in the bidet? Now THAT is a nasty way to get killed.
If only the Frog Brothers had thought of that :P
And A, Americans typically had bidets in the loo, and B, we could verify that Lost Boys blood suckers ever need to go the the loo.
They had a bidet in the kitchen sink, after they gave that one a bath
They did… Then again.. nothing beats.. Death! By! Stereo!! ;)
And the ‘fun’ part: each vamp died in the order they fell from the bridge
This reminds me a bit of the Dish of the Day from The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. If the problem is that there are ethical concerns with killing an animal to eat meat, then the solution is to genetically engineer an animal that wants to be eaten and is capable of telling you that in its own words.
What you’re saying here is that succubi are genetically engineered (or some magical equivalent to that process) to want to be enslaved, and that’s what makes it okay for them to be kept as slaves?
I’m glad Syd is digging into this, and I look forward to the next page.
Not okay, but the least, worst alternative. Speaking of, don’t forget to get your new bumper stickers!
“Cthulu 2024! Why settle for the lesser evil?”
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I prefer the giant meteor slogan. Maximum Impact. the Cthulhu party and the meteor party end up together in the general anyway.
> What you’re saying here is that succubi are genetically engineered (or some magical equivalent to that process) to want to be enslaved, and that’s what makes it okay for them to be kept as slaves?
No, the facts that they would otherwise die and that they (therefore) consent to it do. That they enjoy it is an additional plus.
Also consider that “slavery” doesn’t actually mean anything beyond a certain magical connection. Dabbler is technically Thothogoth’s slave, and he doesn’t actually interfere in her life.
It’s also coming with the compulsion to follow order and who knows what else the old makes put in, threat of death, altering someone’s brain to like it, magically compelling them to obey, starvinng to death if they dont perform, you wouldn’t find a court in existence that’d consider that consent.
The people who did all of that are dead and unaffiliated with the current “slavers”. They are innocent and helping the Succubi out, who are enjoying it, have safeguards in place protecting them (even making it a formality more than actual slavery), and consider it the best solution for their life-threatening problem.
If I get shot and ask you to save my life, would you say “well you’re only saying that because you’d die otherwise, you’re not truly consenting to medical intervention”? If you were the one who shot me to force me to let you operate on me, it would be different, but that’s not what happened.
Fun fact, if you set a bomb and then commit suicide, you are still guilty of the people who die in the bomb. You seem to be taking the lack of people who are currently alive and guilty for this and using it an arguement about slavery apologism. This is also ignoring that the various things that would cause you to die from a bullet and want to seek help are natural, they are not the result of someone *literally rewiring your entire species brains, bodies and souls*.
But nothing was rewired. They were created this way, then they gained sentience/sapience/whatever. But they were never, not an “enslaved” being
If you set a bomb and commit suicide, technically, the bomb will become subject of the rules of inheritance and becomes property of your heir. Such heir, despite owning the bomb, is NOT responsible for setting up the bomb and usually not even for the bomb going off, especially if he has no idea how to disarm the bomb and when or where it explodes.
Dude that isn’t even how inheritance works. That line of thought doesn’t advance *any* train of thought, and exists only as an exercise in seeing how long you can stretch an analogy only to fail because you don’t know how inheritance works. Your heir has to actually accept the bequeath. You can’t just rack up billions in debt and write in your will that this one guy you hate inherits the debt. Nor is anyone responsible for that debt anymore unless specific legal circumstances occur
> Fun fact, if you set a bomb and then commit suicide, you are still guilty of the people who die in the bomb.
Yes, but I’m dead, so it doesn’t matter. Meanwhile, the people alive need to deal with the situation at hand, and this situation has a practical solution all sides consent to.
Succubi were not rewired, but created as slaves. Their slavery is unnatural to the degree their existence is unnatural. Succubi leaders apparently theoretically have the ability to fix the issue, but choose not to, because they consider it to be destructive to their identity, i.e. genocide.
Two people have latched onto the premise of their being some distinction between the word rewiring and wiring. A) it fully does not make a difference whether the controls were inherent, its wrong to do that to someone B) you are forgetting the controls were put in place after the succubi slave revolts started happening
> A) it fully does not make a difference whether the controls were inherent, its wrong to do that to someone
Yes, doing that to someone is wrong, but that’s not relevant here. The deed is done, the people responsible are dead. The only question that remains is how to deal with it, and the people involved have agreed on a solution. And the decision was influenced by the fact that the matter is considered inherent to Succubi, and removing it would therefore be considered undesirable.
> B) you are forgetting the controls were put in place after the succubi slave revolts started happening
To the next generation (in the technical meaning of “improved model”) of slaves. It’s unclear whether any of the pre-plugging precursors or their descendants are still around, but they probably aren’t considered Succubi.
In addition to what Voyager said:
If you look back to when Dabbler explained the whole deal(I forget the page number, I’m just fresh off a re-read), one of the panels show a “master” trying to teach a succubus to resist compulsion and say no. It also points out that there is a rather…stringent vetting process for “leash-holders” and a strict, comprehensive, magical contract to be signed (with an implication that violating said contract won’t go well for the “leash-holder”). So in effect, the situation as it *currently* stands is more akin to a BDSM Dom/Sub relationship (which is which – or whether it’s a Switch/Switch situation – probably changes depending on the Succubi/”Master”)
The whole backstory of them being gengineered sex-slaves is still more than a little fucked up, though. Which I suppose is the point.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-998-alls-well-that-succs-well/
This is probably the page you’re thinking of.
We saw the end of a fight with Tom early on. So I wonder if there are exceptions or the rules and laws are fairly loose.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-177-intergalactic-baggage/
It is the point. While Dave seems to be going planets of hats as the norm, almost all of those hats are caused by someone or something influencing the species, like demonic magic influencing the demon, plus the weird mana creatures doing the same. In the case of the succubi, we know the details of it. Their modification, being done by sapient people and not weird cosmic forces, Has intent behind it. Mens Rea and such. It is a violation of the consent they should have for it to be imposed on them. If they wanted to just have bdsm relations, they could, but it was enforced upon them. Them liking it isn’t an excuse, as them liking it was also enforced on them. Situation is fucked
Yeah, but the alternative is an equally serious issue as well. The succubi don’t want to be altered to not need masters, and forcibly changing them against their will is pretty much “as bad” as having them be slaves; trampling their will because [whoever is trying to change them] claims to know what they need better than they do. Which is a phrase absolutely every student of history probably ought to be shuddering at.
Now, if you ever found a succubus who requested it, you might have an argument for a “one-off” process to be attempted (with 72 disclaimers and promises not to sue if it goes south, because “we’re trying to plug a hole in your soul built by several generations of the most deviant spellcasters in the history of the multiverse” is not going to be easy, and is likely to result in complications), but given the care of the succubus council, I’m not sure you are going to find someone who wants to try it.
And? I’m not making a case for forcibly undoing any of it. At closest I would be for making sure there is *a* way to plug the hole and such available to any who asks for it.
That being said, slavery, even such as the succubi are in, is morally abhorrent. It is still morally abhorrent even if the people who did it are long dead and ending the slavery outright is unfeasible because it would require a similarly morally abhorrent action.
The morally abhorrent part of slavery is the lack of consent, which doesn’t apply here, for that matter, it doesn’t appear to be actual slavery but rather called that for historical reasons.
Tom doesn’t get to force Dabbler to do anything, he doesn’t get to sell her, he isn’t responsible for what she does. If he formally owns her at all, there are no actual consequences to it, (except that he’s required to have sex with her.)
“Slavery” is first and foremost a medical procedure, with “slavers” (more like soul plug donators), being expected to not abuse any of the side effects.
The origins of the sex demons isn’t wholesome? Imagine that.
If you look at it from a biological perspective you might see a succubus as an obligate symbiont. They might have some agency in who they are bonded to but it is an aspect of their life cycle that they ignore at their own peril. Even if you allow that their original creators are long gone they are still a slave to their biology.
That might be the best perspective on the modern situation.
While I don’t doubt there are some (short-lived) examples of certain succubi partners trying to “embrace traditional values,” it’s also been made clear that while any individual succubus might have difficulty in such a case, the succubi as a _collective_ are very much aware of and attentive to any attempts to “make succubi great again.”
Which I have to admit, gives this socialist bitch the warmest, sparkliest, tingliest feelings. Nothing like the strength of a collective looking out for the material safety & well-being of individual members.
Honestly, I suspect there are more than just a few classes & tests for getting approval for bonding. I’d actually be surprised if the Matriarchs didn’t offer entire vocational degree programs on the topic. For my money, I imagine that it’d make a great way to start one’s career as a demonologist. “Warding Spells 203 is at 9AM, which is fine, but I have Interpersonal Sociology at 7AM, ugh!”
Even in this page it says that succubi are *still* a resource that literal wars have been fought over. Doesn’t go far persuasively in an arguement about how they are totally not slaves in. The sense of being property any longer.
That’s not saying a whole lot though. Wars have been fought over Earth women, how does that fit into what you said?
I think it’s less about “Succubi are a valuable resource” and more about “Having a succubi finishing school in your area means you get to have sex with a lot of succubi”
That for large parts history and even up to present day in cases earth women have been considered property and commodities to be bought and sold.
In the ur example of a war being fought over a woman, the Trojan one, Helen is made to go with whoever her father picks and is forcibly given away again by aphrodite as a *bribe*.
The wars are being fought about who gets to invite them to cheerleading competitions. Nothing to do with slavery.
They are “slaves” to vetted individuals.
“at any given moment, someone in Succubus Finishing School is having an orgasm.”
Well duh why else would they call it “finishing school”
This was meant to be it’s own comment and not a reply. The standalone comment is on the next page)
Yay suicide bunnies!
I’m guessing either someone in a nearby room is having a sleepover of their own, or Tom is the one having some company. Either that, or Parfait just really, really, likes collar play.
By her reaction, I’d say she really really liked the “honeymoon” part of it, which is good for her, after seeing Tom face, I’d wonder if she would. When the act of sex is part your main source of food it’s understandable that someone would really like another with a lot to give in that respect.
Was just thinking it was Tommy, and possibly Dabbles?
Decided to check other comments first
Possibly Brook & Mr. A.
I don’t think Harem is quite stupid enough to bring anyone to the base, unless we’re doing that one G.I. Joe thing where Falcon fell for the obvious honeypot. On the other hand, I could imagine Daphne having an amazing selfcest orgy.
Could also, possibly, be Leon & the blue-haired reality hacker whose name I suddenly can’t – Krona. Leo & Krona.
The thing is Harem could cause that reaction without bringing anyone to the base. She may be having mind-wrenching orgasms in Texas (and Connecticut, and California, and Indiana) simultaneously because of something she’s doing (or having done to her) in Ohio.
Hiro brought a couple of girls back to base after their visit to Club Oontz. The building has unrestricted areas.
This scene is in the main break room, which has also been shown to be directly connect to Leon’s office – which appears to be a primary data center and has been shown to have a direct, high-authority connection to the security for the entire building.
Arcon’s building security sucks.
It’s noted early on that the ARC installation is a fairly large complex with both secure areas and public access areas, even to the point of including restaurants. It wouldn’t be that much of a reach to have some living quarters/visitor housing in the public access sections of the building and or facility.
Sydney is in a bind about succubi lote but Parfait is bound to whip up a bit of explanation. Some people are just to tied up to appreciate bondage puns and say its just knot funny.
You get a B+ on your punniness with the point reduction being not turning funny into punny.
I like these kinds of gags, but you should try to restrain yourself from chaining up puns like that in favor of using safe words without double meaning. Not everyone appreciates off-the-cuff humor like that.
A bit too dominating perhaps? Well sometimes you got to rope them in.
You need to build up the suspension, keep them on edge, not just blow your load immediately.
But you don’t want to leave them hanging.
Well, you can, as long as everything is flowing, more or less properly, and no one is getting too uncomfortable, and nothing becomes too strained. I know a number of people uplifted by that sort of thing, but you can never be too careful.
I’m wondering when our anti-pun lawyer will show up and try to restrain this thread.
I’m sure she’s just a little tied up at the moment.
She’s probably inbound, just has to whip up a gag order first.
I thought “what a prude” then noticed…gags, restraints, chains, safe words, cuffs.
I salute you, whatever your gender identity is. I myself identify as a shrubbery!
“I’m fine! Now take me for walkies!”
Methinks hubby’s trying to call her home. XD
She thought of her collar and has a collar pleasure Center in her brain. It might be over active or she thought about more than just it existing blandly.
I can’t believe it took me this long to wonder about Parfait’s immigration status. She has not passed through customs! Does she even have a passport? If so, where does she hide it? All she is wearing is her own hair!
Sydney is facilitating illegal immigration!
What happens when they run into Arianan?
She’s only visiting, and thus isn’t an immigrant.
Passports are primarily for returning to your country of origin, not for entering another.
Parfait has some kind of “cleavage of holding” spell going on.
If I want to enter the USA legally I certainly have to go through US customs checking if I’m welcome.
Border customs aren’t only to keep criminals from escaping, but also to keep spies and contraband from entering.
That said it’s not illegal immigration just illegal border crossing if Sydney didn’t get this notarized through maxima or Ariana unless parfait decides to stay, which I consider highly unlikely.
Even if Sydney ‘forget’ to register Parf’s visit, Gwen would have
Guests of superheroes probably get retroactively allowed in so long as they’re just visiting. Just because you don’t want the super to not like you, and it’s a relatively small ask.
Working with Archon has its perks. One of which being that you work with the government and as long as you’re not blatantly doing something that threatens the security of the country, they’re willing to grant a little more leeway. For example, Sydney invited a literal alien to visit. But this isn’t the first time it’s happened. When they landed in the big city as tourists, there was some paperwork that had to be done, but when it happened at Archon headquarters… Archon HQ is a military base. Immigration and Customs can be a little bit more relaxed there. I imagine there is no issue at all as long as Parfait stays on base. Technically, because of reasons relating to the words “That’s classified”, what exactly goes on in that HQ might not even need to be brought to the attention of Immigration and Customs.
Yeah, I imagine foreign prisoners don’t go through immigration and customs either.
Now that I think about it, I don’t remember anyone raising any questions about customs or immigration any of the times Cora and her crew dropped in.
Well, Sydney summoned her, and archon has several magic users already. They might already have a legal status for summoned creatures. She might currently count as an extension of Sydney’s powers (Which are not all public, seeing as they dont know what they all are).
The background in panel 4 looks like a retro-FPS-screenshot. I wonder if this is deliberate or my brain’s just playing tricks on me :D
If that’s not a screenshot, it’s a real close duplication. Them little blue health potions are a familiar sight.
It’s Doom. I think that’s a Plutonia level, but I’m not 100% sure.
Hey, I have some folk who also have that additional pleasure centre for being … collared
Now when you say “pie eating contest”… you know what, don’t tell me. Let my imagination keep its own details.
No one eats a pie quite like a hungry succubus does.
…”Banana Cream.”
Part of me hopes that Sydney ends up as Parfait’s Master/Mistress.
I don’t think Sydney has the required level of stamina for that. And she’s not wired up for both having a boyfriend and a girlfriend.
Yet
As confirmed by Dabbler collar hood is nontransferable and parfait is collared to Tom.
You have that exactly backwards.
You’re wrong there… Dabbler can transfer her collar at any time she wishes, since she’s experienced enough to do so.
She very explicitly stated this to Maxima ( and teased her about Taking the Leash ( and all *that* entails..)…) , while also stating that to her, Tom is basically a convenient highschool sweetheart and a *gentleman* about the whole business.
One of the reasons Dabbler supports Tom as the leash-holder for Parfait is *because* he is a Gentleman, and experienced/accomplished in the necessary hands-on training needed for a Succubus to resist their engineered compulsions.
At some point the Matriarchs must have also approved and acknowledged Tom, because he would very much not have gotten a second succubus to train if he made a mess of things.
Which, as Dabbler has pointed out as well, is not an easy thing to accomplish.
The thing is that Parfait is still very young, and not fully trained. Which means that Tom *won’t* transfer her collar to an unknown entity. It’s too dangerous to Parfait, and he’d have a vengeful Dabbler on his hands even before the Matriarchs step in if he were stupid enough to try. Which he isn’t.
Incentives, and all that…
And although this isn’t quite the type of comic to portray this.. With Parfait remeniscing about her Collaring, and her being so young…
She looks pretty close to losing control of her tantric field there. Imagine what would happen if she inadvertently …Pulsed… her succubus aura.. simply because she got a case of Horny…
That would be…. Interesting Times.. Especially the Aftermath..
re: Dabbler still thinking that Tom is a good master – This is still REALLY interesting to me, given how they initially parted ways – what with her forcibly banishing him and all.
He’s a good master, just a terrible person (he probably tried to keep an item for himself without letting Dabs know he looted it)
I think the various Infernal races just have some very different ideas about moral behavior.
Sounds good, but alas, Sydney is confirmed straight:
“And just to be clear, Sydney’s not into girls at all” from https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/gp0100/
STILL no overview/tour of Sydney’s room.
Something is weirding me out about her foot in the last panel.
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think that’s how ankles work.
“SUC U”.
Such an obvious gag yet so funny. XD
maybe she’s studying to be a Medical Examiner, too
Well, girls in Muncie, Indiana are going to Ball U… ;3
Looking forward to Parfait doing a slight makeover on Sydney…
Parfait – “Hmm.. not enough ass for Urban Slut to work…”
Sydney – “Hey!”
Parfait – “let’s try beach bimbo number 9…I have a spell for that. Let me remember…’insert Latin for big tits no brains and bleach blonde hair…’ ”
Sydney “This isn’t permanent, right?” Pokes parfait at wrong moment in a personal hot spot.
Parfait “Eep, oopps.”
Poof Sydney turns into Billy Idol with beach bimbo body…
Sydney “maybe start with glamours first next time?”
Billy Idol with beach bimbo body? Sounds like either Pink or Miley ‘The Virus’ Cyrus (always thought Pink was the daughter of Billy… )
Also, Sydney should learn not to poke a finger-wriggler mid-wriggling
But still the shortest human in the building, and her glasses. With “classic bimbo” proportions, she’d resemble a Goblin-Barbie, which would have some hilarious comedic opportunities before it wears off.
And it must wear off, because we love our Sydney as she is.
But in the meantime, a hilarious “finding clothes that fit” montage, followed by the juxtaposition of “big girl problems” & “short girl problems” tropes, a run in with Prinrin & possibly getting an invited to the next Gorgy, all sprinkled with a light dusting of “awkward in a radically changed body.”
Barblin. Gobbie. Garbie?
I think Barblien might be the best option, maybe.
Syd is fricking adorable when she gets out of her comfort zone (last panel.)
I’m liking her comfort with that off-the-shoulder shirt she’s wearing. Very cute on her.
Why does Parfait look so danged cute in the last panel?
If Sydney’s not careful, she might get pulled into a horny Parfait embrace. Of course, that presumes she wouldn’t like it despite prior protests.
Why would succubus finishing school be specifically teaching how many pleasure centers are in *human* brains? I had the impression demons were mostly interacting with aliens and the wider galaxy. Do they carry around a reference chart with number-of-pleasure-center comparisons for all the species they’re likely to encounter?
because the reality of the situation is Humans are the cockroaches of the galaxy. thousands of despots have tried to exterminate them but somehow they just keep reappearing. rumor has it there’s a breed of humans living in Jovian atmospheres but Jovian aliens tend not to communicate well. the aliens that kidnapped humans from earth (or wherever they are from) are widely condemned for letting the parasites loose on the galaxy. in other words. humans are everywhere. they are the most common sapient in the universe. that’s why we don’t get visits. seriously how many people willingly pay money to visit roach nests?
Well you know how it is, the Dirdir brought a few home to keep as pets and they bred like gerbils.
Cora is a human. We know from Word of God the author that non-earthian humans exist out in the galaxy, and are not rare.
It might teach you to research pleasure on a scientific level. Being interested in a species for a succubi could very well entail wikipedia binges equivalent for figuring out how to manipulate their biology, physically and magically, to give them earth shattering orgasms.
Its also probably not *just* human brains, but most prevalent species, with reference libraries available for less common one. You know “oh, you are going to Onvi 4? I know you know about the Maltini, but here’s a reference book for the Palcta and Rodan – they’ve got some trading posts there that you must visit! Tell C’v hi for me! They like it when you [redacted redacted censored] [bodily organ without terran equivalent] [censored]”
Either the creator of Succubi is the smartest, horniest, most devious mo-fo ever to make a creation with a recurring loop of “You are slave, you are slave who will die without being owned, but you are ok with it, no -better than ok, it gets you off to be owned.”… or the girls have been tweaked over successive generations to be this good about being owned… I’m scaroused at the levels of detail reinforcing “you are slave, you are happy slave.”
Anyone trying to be their Abraham Lincoln cannot undo one part or cure the soul-leak without tripping over a whole bunch of other failsafes intended to make them not want to kill their master.
We have active confirmation that it’s the tweaking one, since Dabbler told us that their are a product from a “really disgusting arms race” between mages, that multiple of these mages died from failing to properly control their slaves and that “they” had to find a new way to control them.
We have already seen the creation of Succubae
The origin story of succibi, as narrated by Dabbler, did show that the creators of the race where indeed devious and very much effed-up mofo’s.
I am not sure if it was Sydney or Maxima asked the question why the succibi still had that ‘hole’ in their soul that drained their magic, fatally, unless they were enslaved and forced to obey their owner.
Dabbler answered that the matriarches probably, likely, could undo that racial damage to their soul, but that in doing so they would also alter the succibi race so much from millenia of an arms race between slave owners and slaves, that they would effectively cease to be succubi. The advantages of being a succubus presumably weighed up to being a theoretical slave. And also, removing the magical damage would diminish or remove the power the matriarchs over the rest of the succubi, but that part probably goes unspoken and unacknowledged.
At the end of the they there are two truths here. Succubi are not human, and this does not make it any more acceptable from a human point of view.
Welp.
knew this was gonna happen
Holy shit, she has mood tattoos!
I….assassination via holy water in the bidet. I just can’t
just go with the flow.
*slow clap*
*shakes head*
No applause for that. It’s a wash.
I thought it was more of a rinse
How long are we gonna cycle the same joke?
How often does someone want to get away with coming clean?
until they are flushed with shame?
Until someone adds a red sock
Until the flood of water puns runs dry.
then we dip into the well. until of course the Chevy goes to the levy.
in which case, we’ll need a Chevy Chaser.
that would be a Smart Car with police lights
At this point while it seems to have started off in the bad part of history… I think the current format and revisions to it is more BDSM than anything else. Think more legally allowed fetish being in the open public with anyone trying to abuse it getting visited by the Succubi internal revenue.
The SIR may or may not involve a lot of very powerful demons, entities, and corporations who realized that someone is making their Succubi unhappy and taking away the ‘fun times’ and those who haven’t gotten lucky got word that making lots of bad things happen to the certain individual or groups would GREATLY improve their odds.
Greeks and Troy had the Trojan War all for a single attractive woman (and other reasons)… So get that and up the values for Succubi charm… And they can launch their own armies to ensure that their slavery is kept by BDSM rather than the more annoying and awful variety.
To tired to come up with much of anything to say, so just saying thanks for another fun comic. :)
So, this thought came to me a while after Dabbler’s explanation about the soul-leak and how having a master plugs the leak, and how most succubi are happy with the situation. Reading that I couldn’t help but think that Succubi like having another hole getting filled.
Exploring Dabblers *culture* is a way to lose audience. Given the reading list by the author I understand why he would but the “pg13” status of the comic as made it fare more enjoyable for those that do not really want to stare to long in to that abyss.
As to Consensual not being horrific .. most of the propaganda from that “community” tends to ignore negative issues (heck that is what most propaganda does) that given the many weak or dependent personality types the term consent becomes somewhat questionable.
Just remember: if they don’t have a ‘Master’, they are dead as soon as they reach puberty (or shortly after, in a painful and, presumably, agonizing way)
When are the August and September vote incentives coming out?
Probably when DaveB has had the time to draw them?
Just keep voting every day anyway
This reminds me of the radical vegan shit-stains (note, only think the vegans who are shit-stains are the radical ones, you know the type: bitch about aminal cruelty and the detriment farming has on the environment while happily munching on avocados grown in a country thousands of miles away that have to be flown or trucked in) who bitch about the caged aminals not know what it’s like to not be caged: they are bred specifically for the production of food, other wise they wouldn’t exist at all (again, specifically talking about aminals destined for the slaughter)
Is it less cruel to raise an aminal as a pet knowing you are going to slaughter it when it gets fattened up enough? Ring a bell to summon it for a rub and a tasty snack, but instead, they are greeted by a knife to the throat?
The cost of free-range food (chickens and pigs and their by-products) has skyrocketed over the ‘caged’ versions because the cost of keeping free-range is a lot more than people think (chickens like to hide their eggs giving the chance, plus predators love munching on free-roaming birbs)
Pretty sure all of philosophy has decided that creating a living and thinking being doesn’t give you ownership over it and control over how it lives its life. There’s at least a couple hundred thousand books about the morality of robots specifically.
“Being a haberdasher in heavily demon populated areas would be interesting work.”
Haberdashers don’t make hats. In British English they sell sewing supplies, in the US it’s mens’ clothing. But they don’t make hats – maybe you were thinking of milliners?
Often make that mistake as well :(
“maybe you were thinking of milliners?”
In all versions of English, milliners only make women’s hats. Maybe you were thinking of hatters?
Yeah, from experience, pretty sure some of us also have some areas that only light up when collared >o>
Now given I have “succubus” in my screen name sometimes, take it with a pinch of salt
While the acquisitioning of slaves is usually horrific (and remember, some slaves came from being the losers in a war, which is usually better than being dead), being a slave doesn’t have to be (and talking about the entirety of the history of slavery, not just the last two hundred years)
The history of slavery being horrific goes far, far longer than 200 years.
Yes, but there is large portion of people who believe it only started two hundred years ago
And did say “the entirety of the history”
And if you don’t know the difference between ‘being’ a slave and ‘making’ a slave, just stop talking
At least some people would consider being a slave awful, no matter how well they were treated. I wonder just how many though, and how they’re distributed in society.
No argument from me
Argument you will get from me is on the claims that nothing good came from being a slave, and that all slaves were abused and treated less than the pet hamster in the Gere household (old joke, look it up)
That’s two distinct statements and as such they require two distincts responses.
First of all, it is pretty much impossible to argue that any good came to a person for being a slave. Unless you claim that it was less bad than being quickly tortured to death (as opposed as slowly worked to death as a slave).
The second statement is more ambiguous, which is probably why people rarely make such a claim. The problematic part with this statement is that while it is true that not all slaves throughout history where treated horribly, it is equally true that they had no right to be treated decently. Treatment of slaves was entirely up to the whim of the person holding their leash and whip. Slaves have no right, no voice and no recourse. That is both wrong and evil regardless if the person holding that power over them chooses to exert that power (at that particular time) or not.
At the end of the day slaves were forced to behave to the benefit of their owners by the fear of being tortured and worse. I cannot see any interpretation how that would be ‘beneficial’ to the slave, nor one where that treatment was ‘not that bad’.
Keep in mind what the Bible describes as acceptable treatment of slaves (*). Brutal does not come close to being an accurate term for it. And also that only male Hebrews were (supposed to be) set free after a period of time. If you were a foreigner or female you were enslaved for life and had even less of the exceedingly dubious protections that male hebrew slaves ‘enjoyed’. One of the only ways that hebrew men could be made slave for life was when they volunteered to it, and the ‘best’ way to get them to do so was giving them a wife. Even when they themselves were set free their wife and children would remain slaves (also: that put to rest the idea that chattel slavery was an american invention. In biblical times the children of slaves were automatically and irrevocably slaves themselves). The only way to not be separated from them was for the man to accept being a slave for the rest of his life.
(* there is no reason to assume that biblical slavery was meaningfully different from how contemporary cultures treated slaves, though those might have had even less compulsion to enslave members of their own culture).
You are correct. Slavery was an ADVANCEMENT for the human race. Prior to slavery, captives in battle were just slaughtered. Slavery was a step up, realizing that people had worth and not killing them was a viable alternative.
What is evil about slavery is the continuance of slavery for the specific purpose of generating more slaves, AND not giving slaves a chance to get out of their condition. Those are unmistakably and unremittingly evil. It goes from a moral improvement to pure exploitation.
If your other choice is ‘kill them all’, slavery is a step up on the civilization and moral choice ladder.
I don’t think you’ll find universal agreement for that opinion, given that people throughout history have expressed ideas like “live free or die”, or “give me liberty or give me death”.
And they could choose not to surrender and die, and their ideals with them. The choice is theirs. A right most often exercised by the nobility who were probably going to be killed regardless.
Without slavery, they do not have the choice. It is always to die. Dying for the rich bastard in charge might appeal to some people, but not to a whole lot of farmers and peasants who had no choice in the decision to fight, thank you.
As I noted, slavery can be abused like any other state of being, but as the alternative to merciless, its a step up the scale of slaughter, even if the only way to get rid of the status is a slave uprising. At least you’re alive to finally fight back!
It may be the preferable outcome for the defeated person, in that they have some choice, and the potential to reclaim their freedom. But I don’t think it is any more moral for the slaver, who is going to make an effort to ensure that their slaves are not capable of rebelling and reclaiming their freedom.
If there’s not some benefit to them doing it, they wouldn’t do it. So, from that standpoint, ensuring they get that benefit is not unreasonable.
It’s when it has moved past ‘paying off a debt’ and ‘you’re free now’ to ‘I like this feeling of power and want to abuse them forever’ that slavery falls over the cliff.
I guess I feel that’s inherent in the definition of slavery, as distinct from something like indentured labor, though “chattel slavery” is the more specific term for what I, and I’m sure many others, think of when we hear the word “slavery”. There are a variety of other forms of involuntary servitude that do not reduce a person to property, with perhaps slightly varying degrees of being intrinsically evil. I didn’t think we were discussing those.
Syd x Parfait continues to be my new favorite ship I didn’t know I needed.
Nobody is going to make a comment on the collar glowing? In all the tropes I’m aware of glowing magical item=trouble.
Someone did mention Parf’s colour-changing tats…
Kinda like… Big Kev’s? Have we maybe found a long lost unknown sibling connection?
Sibling connection seems unlikely, but I can’t rule it out.
I am curious if Parfait’s tattoo’s will change colour as the tantric energy field increases in strength, much like Kevin’s.
so since the last chapter i can no longer access the site on chrome? anyone else have this issue?
i get “currently cannot process this request”
I’m currently viewing the site on mobile chrome, so it’s apparently not a universal issue.
“Pie” eating contests . . .
I think you meant milliner not haberdasher?
I have to wonder about some of the classes at Succ U.
Like, we know they have instruction in comportment, and various social graces, as well as psychological & sociological course. Decolette is evidence thereof.
No, I’m being a bit more “traditional” in my thinking. (Owing to Mr. Buzzy being out of charge & me forgetting to bring the cord, dammit)
Consider the truism, “everything is somebody’s fetish.” Also, let’s be clear in understanding the actual, technical meaning of the word, as in, “a symbol or stand-in for an object of function.”
Now,we can crack wise about the literally infinite plethora of potential electives at Succ U, but what if some promising young student made those electives, as a whole, her focus? As in, worked towards being able to identify & exploit people’s fetishes in such a focused & nuanced manner that she could essentially extract tantric energy from the general environment.
Now, not for nothing, if I were such a prodigy, I might set up shop in Vegas. I might, in fact, setup an 18 & up exclusive resort hotel that caters specifically to surrounding horny tourists with their chosen “symbols or stand-ins,” without needing to specifically cross the line into becoming an explicit brothel. After all, what consenting adults do between each other is none of my business. I might even go so far as to extend a little of that harvested power to the employees, making sure they are always generally healthy & their bodies conform to their own subconscious wishes.
And honestly, I don’t think this would be that difficult. Escorts are legal, and having an attractive, assertive man or woman literally just leading a customer around on a leash, or pushing around in an outsized stroller, or, I dunno, treating then like a personal butler or serving maid, isn’t that big an issue.
Point being, this seems like, potentially, a way to escape being collared.
you may have hit on how the senior sucubi handle this. as such an institution would quickly gain the ability to ‘adjust’ the legalities of its environs, and represent a place that injured/traumatized/’other’ sucubi could be treated. as well as those who perpetuated such things could be rewarded appropriately. (such events are best done privately- builds the mystery-this time men of god are not exempt)
Based on her body language, Sydney is feeling very defensive (she’s been shielding herself with that pillow the whole page), but why?
Because if someone would ask HER such kind of personal questions, she would attack. Now, Parfait is unlikely to attack her, but Sydney is still uncomfortable asking such questions.
Maybe because she’s in her room with a succubae that she gets along with well (as opposed to Dabbles)
Sydles gets along fine with Dabbler (on the whole), but I suspect that in terms of personal development & general life experience, Parfait is more a peer, whereas Dabbles is more of a somewhat overwhelming Sorority Big Sister.
The pillow hugging thing may well be less about defensiveness than a bit of self-soothing for anxiety.
As Syd said, literal chattel slavery is scary, to put it lightly. I can’t even contemplate the idea without feeling a rush of existential panic, and the fact is, every fiber of my being screams “kill it” when I imagine being face to face with someone who tries to own other people. The feeling has gotten stronger as I’ve gotten older & more socialist, to the point where I even struggle to stomach it in fiction. Like, just as an example? In BG3, after rescuing the gnomes from the cultists by manipulating the Duergar mercenaries to help in the fight, I immediately turn my wrath on those little bald fuckers for even suggesting they’d take the smurfs off with them. I don’t even try talking them out of it, just go straight to, “The only good slaver is a dead slaver.”
“Slave harem” anime piss me off for the same reason, and it’s one of my major gripes with JK “they like being slaves” Rowling.
…it really does just touch an horrific nerve. And not for nothing, the threat of being trapped in similar situations is much more visceral, Guest. The enforced legal dependency of women on men is still a part of living memory.
Quite a few of those laws are in fact still in the books. They are just no longer enforced but remain as so much judicial detritus. Which makes the current rise of the religious extremists in the USA all the more scary because they do not really have to pass any new laws to resume horribly repressing women again. They only have to appoint enough judges to start enforcing the old laws (like the states that dusted off the old extreme anti-abortion laws from the 1800s)
Sometimes I think legislators pass laws or stir up issues just to look busy. I would be pretty happy if they spent some time clearing out bad laws, and try to get it down to something the average person could read and comprehend in its entirety. Otherwise, the average person is just running on gut feeling about what is or is not legal.
Quite a few of those laws are in fact still in the books. They are just no longer enforced but remain as so much judicial detritus. Which makes the current rise of the religious extremists in the USA all the more scary because they do not really have to pass any new laws to resume horribly repressing women again. They only have to appoint enough judges to start enforcing the old laws (like the states that dusted off the old extreme anti-abortion laws from the 1800s)
She is scared of the thought of slavery.
Parfait is her friend and she finds it far too easy to imagine herself in her place.