Grrl Power #1159 – Deflectors to full power!
Maxima is good at taking hits, but is terrible at getting hit on. You can tell she’s actively dreading it in that first panel.
The first and third guy don’t really deserve any consideration, IMO, but the second guy? I don’t know, he wasn’t being actively trite or disrespectful… I think? I personally have zero experience as the hitter, and very little as the hittee, so I may not be the best judge of that sort of thing. However, immediately getting defensive about her height when guys can be downright brittle about such things shows that Max still has her deflector fields at full power. As mentioned previously, she has no experience doing this as a “normal” woman, but even without her weird skin and hair, it’s still obvious Max isn’t a normal woman.
At least the third guy looks like he might be a bit taller than her? I can say Max isn’t necessarily one of those women who’s all, “You must be at least 6 feet tall to ride this ride,” but I can’t say exactly what she does look for in a guy because she probably hasn’t quite figured that out herself. That’s not to say she’s never slept with anyone, she has, but the few guys she’s been with tend to be competent, honorable, and quietly confident. Any hint of narcissism outside of jokey self-aggrandizement is as repellent to her as Axe Body spray, which is one reason (of several) Deus has so much trouble holding her interest.
On a side note, I would be a terrible woman. I’m told that by and large, women are attracted to confident guys, but I have a great deal of difficulty distinguishing between confidence and narcissism/douchiness. I think it’s just a matter of degrees, really, but narcissism is one of my least favorite attributes in people, so my threshold between confidence/overconfidence is probably several standard deviations lower than usual. I guess if I was a woman, I’d have to hope I was into guys that when you say, “Omigosh, you’re so good at X,” they get all goofy and bashful, cause if they came back with “Baby, I’m the fucking best at X.” I’d have to throw a red card.
Then they’d be all “No, really, I’m Shaun White, I have multiple Gold Medals in snowboarding!” and I’d be all “I said good day, sir!” And his friends would be like, “How’d it go?” and he’d be all “I don’t think she believed me. I guess I could go and get my gold to show her, but that seems like an insane amount of work to impress some girl who’s tucked into the corner reading on her Kindle instead of being the least bit extroverted at this huge crazy party where someone like multiple Gold Medalist Shaun White would attend, especially when there’s like twenty women here who are throwing themselves at me.” And his friends would be all, “You’re going to go get your medals, aren’t you?” And Sean White’s all, “Well it fucking bothers me!” Then he’d show up with his medals, and I’d immediately be super suspicious, like “Why are you trying so hard to impress me? Aren’t you famous? Did you make a bet with your friends that you could pull the nerd girl in the corner? Fine, I’ll pretend to go on a date with you, but I get half your winnings.”
Apparently I would be a suspicious, cynical and mercenary nerdy introvert as a woman. Anyway, Max is bad at guys! Let’s watch.
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Carrot was a dwarf.
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-123-its-only-trivia-until-youre-quizzed-on-it/comment-page-1/
(panel 6)
You check out. 1/13th proper nerd so far.
*technically* a Dwarf…. ;)
The best kind of dwarf.
I thought Carrot was Karl’s horse….
One of them, anyway. His other favorite horse was Stick. He was willing to trade his third-best horse for a pair of Vibram soles but never got the chance.
The 2nd guy at least had an interesting opener.
Yeah, the 2nd guy was cute, had an original approach & I just like gamer guys.
I expect that if the second guy steped back neatly, sent over another drink, and asked as she was going, he might get didgets.
Given the fact Max does have “nerdy” leanings, and she didn’t out right refuse him. He has the best chance.
Agreed. I was thinking the same thing.
Same, definitely non-cliche opener that’s relevant and respectful, reveals that he’s a nerd and not ashamed of it, and actually has to potential for starting a conversation. And has the lucky benefit of relating to Max’s interests.
Probably nobody is going to get a chance to have a real conversation though until the rest of the queue has delivered an opening pitch. Trying to think of a good way for him to acknowledge that and leave an open invitation to buy a drink without being too pushy or looking like he’s giving up.
And she’s smiling when she says she’s taller.
I think she might have gotten it?
Probably. Maxima’s a big ol’ D&D and JRR Tolkien nerd, whch her slip-of-the-tongue guesses about ioun stones and declarative arguments about Gandalf suggest.
Which is my favorite type of nerd. Buff, extremely attractive nerds (ie, Henry Cavill). Even if Maxima tries to hide her inner nerd when she should SAY. THAT. WITH. PRIDE. :)
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-87-i-can-see-why-this-might-be-cause-for-concern/ (panel 4)
I think he got intimated by her height, he hasn’t given up, he just needs time to deal with it. “Bar flies” to look for easy marks, and a woman, no matter how beautiful she may be, being bigger/taller than them scares the crap out of them. Max is hardly a “girly girl” and those non-types tend to punch/kick guys like that.
I’m sure that any true fan of supers would figure out that she’s Max, after Dabs’ reveal of her being an alien it wouldn’t take much to guess why she isn’t gold and hiding her ears at this time…
Yes, because Maxi is the only six foot female super on the entire planet
Who was talking about supers? I’m saying that any woman that’s taller than most guys would get that reaction. My sister in law is 5’10” and muscular, it took her a while to find a guy that was willing to talk to her. I used to call her (jokingly) “Shera, the princess of power”, to which I’d get a playful punch (ow) and get my wife to giggle about it.
Right? I’m rooting for him, but, I think the “I’m taller than you” being true might have wrecked his confidence enough that he doesn’t try again. Maybe next time he sees her at a bar he’ll have better luck.
Agreed on the nerdy leanings, but I’m not sure that he’s dissuaded by the height thing, since it looks like he’s the only one of those guys that doesn’t have one of those teardrop things that indicates concern. Besides, he seems more impressed by her height than put off by it.
oh snap what if its the elf guy from way back but in cloaking or what ever XD
Given that Max knows enough about Tolkien to get distracted by underestimating Gandalf, How does she miss on the dwarf reference?
Seriously, the guy’s cute, and made a nerdy reference, he at least gets a chance to fuck up with his second line.
Presumably she wasn’t really thinking about the mount of boos she drank so it just wasn’t her first association.
We (probably) aren’t seeing their full interaction and don’t know what he did after seeing her height. Maybe he did fuck up with his second line.
More importantly though, she wasn’t really looking for it. She may have hinted before she will be open to advances (“…We’ll see.”) but just look at her body language. She probably meant that she was *relatively for Maxima* open to possibilities, which probably means that if Hiro suddenly shows up and tells her he got promoted to her rank she would go for it.
Honestly, I totally took Harper to be the type of girl to say “You must be taller than me to ride this ride” :p
One out of three isnt too bad.
I have to give that last guy major props. I’ve never seen a potential winner of the Darwin awards seconds BEFORE they win. Usually I just read about them after the fact. :) :) :)
Note the extreme inebriation. In my experience, while there are plenty of idiots who, when warned not to do a stupid thing, will do that stupid thing extra emphatically (often while screaming “BEST! IDEA! EVER!!!” and sneering at whoever warned them), alcohol both accelerates the process and eliminates whatever mental inhibitions were keeping otherwise intelligent people from behaving in a similar fashion.
I know. I’m kidding. The guy is clearly sloshed and not thinking straight.
He hit on Maxima, I’d say he’s thinking straight
+1 internet for your response. Well done.
(To be honest I’m sort of proud of Maxima for realizing this and not becoming all enraged about it)
“You’re clearly so drunk you’re not responsible for your actions. You may leave before I can’t be responsible for mine.”
LOL
That has the same “impress me with your silence” vibe she showed at the comic book shop.
That reminds me of the Porter’s lines MacBeth 2:3:
PORTER: Faith, sir, we were carousing till the second cock, and drink, sir, is a great provoker of three things.
MACDUFF: What three things does drink especially provoke?
PORTER: Marry, sir, nose-painting, sleep, and urine. Lechery, sir, it provokes and unprovokes. It provokes
the desire, but it takes away the performance. Therefore much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery. It makes him, and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him and disheartens him; makes him stand to and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep and, giving him the lie, leaves him.
Some things really don’t change that much over the centuries.
if public stupidity is going to be a capital crime in the US i doubt there would be a male over 19 left in the country. one could argue this would be an improvement. I have good reason not to.
Why limit that to males? You do know that females do stupid shit when they have a drink too many, right?
The problem with picking up guys at bars is that your options are limited to guys who pick up gals at bars. She should try volunteering at Habitat for Humanity or something, if she’s looking for a guy who can 1) Build something with his hands and 2) Is more than an alcohol dumpsite.
And problem for women (and some guys) going to a bar for a well-needed drink (or fifty), are guys (and some girls) who
thinkbelieve they are there for them (no matter how many times they are told ‘no’)Go to the bar with Andrew Jackson and leave the bar with Johnny Walker.
Brown haired guy is ahead on points.
But bad timing.
Some mental defenses are temporal and I promise you that after that first guy all her defenses will be up.
There’s not really good timing here to be honest. Hoping he goes with an open offer to come back for a real conversation after the new fan club all takes a swing with whatever pickup line they’ve been polishing.
You mean the balding older guy who got to sniff Maxi’s palm?
I just now saw the new vote incentive, and Maxima’s hip came out really well. It’s the first time it really clicked for me “that’s what’s Maxima’s skin looks like”. I knew she was metallic and reflective because it was relevant multiple times, but now I can actually see it.
Bearded Red-shirt and open Blue-shirt haven’t made their moves yet…
They did, they didn’t make the cut (if you don’t count Maxi’s uppercut… )
Now Hiro steps in welcomed like it’s an episode of cheers. They talk, chat, laugh *montage*
Then wake up in his place after she demonstrated the importance of doing ab crunches.
No way Max would go home with him without revealing her identity. I can see her flirting with him and enjoying a chance to evaluate how he treats a stranger, but her sense of honor and respect (for him and herself) precludes tricking him into anything more serious.
It wouldn’t be a stranger. Hiro was literally standing there when Kenya gave her the collar in the first place (before Dabbler, Leon, Cora and Krona had to figure out the tweaks required for it to work with her reflective metallic skin).
https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-955-worlds-greatest-gilded-glamazon/
That height thing…. so incredibly US-ian…
“All women are the same height in bed.” Lazarus Long.
Alternatively, she’s quite a bit taller than you when she’s on top…
This interests me, did not realize it was a US thing. Personally, I’m attracted to girls taller than me, but I’ve noticed it in the culture around me that girls tend to want taller guys, and guys want shorter girls. Can I ask where your from, and is it really not a factor at all in your area?
I’ve never had that problem, I dated a gal that was 5’10” and I was 5’8″, people used to tease me that I was into “mountain climbing”. I was like, “yeah, as long as I don’t need ropes and hooks, who wouldn’t?” (Yeah yeah, insert dirty joke here.)
And that’s why she’ll forever remain single, just like her future BFF, MCU She-Hulk
You say that like it’s a bad thing, or that it’s her fault
Oh, of course it’s the woman’s fault for having high standards, rather than the man’s fault for not being able to meet those standards.
Maybe we, as a society, should be working on producing better men, rather than trying to drag women down.
I sense sarcasm in your first sentence. :)
I did hope it was obvious enough to not need to explicitly mark it as such.
You succeeded sir. :)
Impressive that you managed to make the sneer audible through text
Nothing like a good sneer to dry up conversation.
sneer: the quicker putter downer
Sit down a couple stools down, ask bartender for fruit juice, b/c some one needs to balance the mixer to alcohol consumption
Maxima is 6’1″ or in civilized speech 1,85 m
I’m personally 6’2″ 1,88 m and I had already encountered a 6’4″ girl – yes 1,92 m – , and Ok my first reflex is to cheek for heels.
One of my former colleague was a 6′ 1,82 m woman who rants about the difficulty for a girl to get a 43 ( french shoe size corresponding to 11 women US shoe size) … How did you make the 1.5 difference between the two to confuse foreigners ?
In US male shoe size my 46,5 french is 12
I think you flipped those shoe sizes…
I’m 6’5″ tall, and a 16EE (Double Extra Wide… though I can simply go with a 16W, single wide, if I have to. Or a 15EE) in US shoe sizes.
I have no idea what my EU shoe size because apparently no conversion chart is willing to go that high, and even the calculation converters have a fit and give up at US size 15 (a 49.5EU) and no indicator for extra width.
I don’t know why it’s so hard to find wide shoes for tall people in the US, when I can find a double wide I can go down a full size on length. If I’m lucky there’s 1-2 pairs in stock, otherwise I have to special order.
My shoe size is ten but they measure out to 30 cm (12 inches) if that helps. Sadly it’s who and where the makers are is what really sets shoe size, just like in clothes, at Wal-mart I wear a medium sweat pants, but from another store I’m a large, go figure.
My feet are rather wide, it’s hard to find shoes for a 10×3, I can settle for double wide, but I have to stretch them out a bit before I can wear them for long periods. (yes, I have shoe stretchers, those are getting hard to find too!)
Try finding shoes for a 7.5 x 6E. It is frustrating enough to consider becoming a cobbler.
I shoot for a 10 4E when I can get it, but I think you might be part hobbit.
I do rather enjoy second breakfast and combing the hair on my feet.
Or part Sasquatch, depending on height.
Not Sasquatch just Squatish.
Why do I get the feeling that after being disappointed with the pickings at the bar, a drunk Max is going to end up knocking at Deus’s door at 3am?
Imagine the bartender receiving a report of an escaped female mental patient who bears an uncanny resemblance to the guise that Max is using…?!?
Honestly, I think you would be an awesome woman! You see, if a guy is acting all confident in front of a woman, in most cases (i.e. if he’s neither a super good-looking player nor a drunken creep) it’s only because he has the very real and legitimate fear of her losing interest in him if he becomes “all goofy and bashful” and he might still need some practice regarding which kind of confidence is attractive (and the internet teaches so much nonsense).
And I agree, the 2nd guy with the dwarf reference made a good and honest attempt at saying something original, intelligent, and non-offensive, and it speaks for him that he didn’t get thrown off by Maxima not understanding the reference, so he just explained the joke in a simple and matter-of-fact manner. So, while he seems to be a really Nice Guy who’s fun to hang out with I’m not sure how many women in America would want to date a guy like him.
As far as Maxima’s preferences are concerned I am really curious what she’s going to find out about herself, especially regarding the whole alpha/beta dynamic, i.e.
– two alphas have difficulties being together because it’s nothing but rooster fights, so I’m not sure if she’d enjoy a relationship like that. I guess they’d need to have different areas of expertise and be alphas there and be betas to their partner otherwise? I don’t know, I’m not really experienced with such dynamics.
– if one of them should be more of a beta, would Maxima want to be submissive to a good man or would she want a submissive man? Note that the alpha also gets the responsibility of being the strong shoulder to lean on for their partner. I think this is a problem many western women currently struggle with. I mean, it’s awesome that women can finally have their own careers and be strong and independent instead of their existence depending on whether or not a man is willing to provide for her. But society needs to realize that as far as dating is concerned a woman with a PhD doesn’t have any advantages over a woman working at McDonalds.
– Would Maxima maybe go for someone with Yoda’s type of confidence?
Oh gods don’t tell me you actually believe that alpha/beta crap?
Pretty sure the ‘alpha’ just stands for ‘ασσηολε’, given that the theory is only used by dudebros who assume they fall in the first category. Never seen a competent psychology source even reference it.
It’s terminology used by biology scientists used when talking about social hierarchy of pack. Now, regarding it’s application to humans, you may be right, although SOME psychology sources are really not THAT great …
It’s a DEBUNKED term from poorly-done biological research of caged wolves.
Its probably more accurately from a 1982 book on chimpanzee politics and sexual hierarchy as it applies to human beings. When Adam Ruins Everything did the debunking show on it they focused on Rudolf Schenkel’s wolf study in 1947, which wolf researcher Barbara Zimmerman has been attempting to debunk since 2020 because she claims it does not fit the actual behavior of wolves in the wild (I think her claim was the hierarchy was instead based on father and mother figures but I haven’t read her books yet – I just saw the Adam Ruins Everything show which gave me the gist of her claim). I think ‘debunk’ is too strong a claim though. I would say ‘the pre-existing belief about wolves has been academically challenged’ instead. Debunk implies that theres some sort of definitive consensus and I dont know if a relatively recent study by a Norweigan wolf researcher and a cancelled American TV show on TruTV is ‘definitive.’ Much as I liked the show. And none of it really discusses the 1982 book at all which seems to be more on point, since chimpanzees and humans do have a more similar origin for their respective hierarchies?
The author of that study even came out and debunked their own work.
I think you’re referring to Dr. L David Mech, who built upon Schenkel, then about 35 years later realized his study did not actually apply to wolves in the wild, just in captivity or when wolves and dogs are in civilization under humans and not in canine family structures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5S31HGNGSc
BTW, the reason for the initial mistake was because Schenkel was watching groupings of captive wolves, which is an unnatural grouping for which to base any theories of wolf social behavior in the wild (Schenkel never debunked his work – that was L David Mech who did, and more recently Barbara Zimmerman in 2020, who has been trying to debunk it further than Mech did when he disputed his earlier studies.
But this flawed study on wolves being applied to humans was also from partially from a 1982 book on chimpanzee troop social groupings and hierarchies, which DID have a type of alpha/beta structure which occurred from aggressive contact in the wild (along with grooming tactics and and displays of dominance).
Probably a closer analogy/comparison to human hierarchies than wolves, even if wolves did have alphas and betas in the wild, which they do not according to both Mech and Zimmerman. Human hierarchies are more complex than just reducing them to a single difference, which is probably why the terminology of Alpha and Beta is disparaged while terminology like ‘Type A personality – Director’/ ‘Type B personality – Socializer’/Type C – Thinker/Type D – Supporter’ seem to get a pass. The former is overly simple, and based on a study with a central flaw in the subject group (captive instead of in the wild).
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I must be really bored because I spent almost 45+ minutes writing a bunch of stuff on hierarchies which is a tangent of a tangent of a tangent, the last two tangents of which were entirely done by me. :)
These are the rabbit holes we come for, where else can we discuss flawed wolf-oriented cultural touchpoints?
I aim to please! Plus Im so wanting something to do and theres nothing legal or pop culture to sound off about that I am creating my own tangents to make tangents off of. :)
I thought chimpanzee social structures were variable, with some groups showing maternal dominant hierarchies, rather than male dominant.
You might be thinking of bonobos. They’re heavily maternal dominant hierarchies. Or possibly certain types of gorillas (who are also male dominant hierarchies but usually have a female hierarchy in the leadership as well).
Chimpanzees are VERY strictly a male dominant hierarchy based on a combination of fighting/aggressive contact (sometimes to a violently gruesome death), physical displays of dominance, and mutual grooming practices.
Your comments started sort of good and then you went on a weird tangent in the middle.
I feel like I have to take a shower now.
Let me guess… You got that nonsense from the internet?
He might be using terms like alpha and beta as broadly known substitutes for “Type A” and “Type B” personalities (which is a simplication of Jung), or Karl Jung’s personality theory itself, rather then a direct comparison of wolves and humans hierarchical organization.
Tangent time for me!!! :)
Also I think even the alpha/beta concept for humans instead of wolves predate the mass proliferation of internet memes (alpha chad and beta simp) – from the 1982 book ‘Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes’ which I think was the first use of it for primates. I did a paper on this long ago. :)
(Additional runaway tangent from me – Yes there was internet back then but it was far more bbs’s than the internet as we know it today. I think in 1982 the internet was mainly arpanet – military and a few universities, mostly using usenet and vax machines or, at best, computers using unix and MAYBE nn. I dont think even Mosaic would exist for another decade or so.)
meanwhile the spirt of Death
“Right so there i was about to harvest this guy… OH… I got a big job, ill see you later spirit of Satan”
*teleports to the 800 meter crater where the bar used to be*
Okay, I’m not seeing what Max’s goal is in this.
If she isn’t interested in socialization, she could have just gone to her quarters with a bottle.
If she does want the socialization, she’s military (well, Air Force, so close enough) With her speed and range there are any number of O Clubs available to her where she can hang with other vets who have seen the elephant and can hit on her in a far more strategic fashion.
Or if she really wants to let her hair down, Mixed clubs with the Ogang mix with the Mere Enlisted Scum, and the REAL parties happen. (In Japan these parties involve hatchets, or so I’m told)
If she’s looking to get laid… or maybe do the laying, she’s going about it all wrong.
All she really appears to be doing is getting angry, and she’s got Sydney at home for that.
Mostly, she’s just wanting drinks (several of them) somewhere not connected to Archon or any other military or law
entrapmentenforcement“No plan survives contact with the enemy.”
Max didn’t factor into her plans just how frustrating mundane automobile traffic would be to her. She didn’t enter this place in anything like the mood she intended to.
This goes back to what I was saying before, about her reverting to being a teenager.
US culture teaches us that “going to bars” is a “normal thing that people do.” This is _somewhat_ true.
It is a thing that is “normal” for two types of people, generally. Those who are seeking/already have a social group in said bar, and those looking to “mingle for singles.”
Harper doesn’t actually know why she’s there. Like, at that specific bar, in particular. She’s there because “this is normal, right?” That’s the sort of thing high schoolers & awkward college freshmen do, trying to figure out how to fit in.
For attractive girls flying solo, the “getting hit on” stage is common enough. It will eventually die down. However, “fitting-in” means learning to socialize, so eventually, she’s going to have pick some people to try talking to, and that’s whenit’s going to get _super_ awkward.
What is she going to talk about, with blowing her cover?
We shall see.
This aligns perfectly with my head canon, both for bars and for [strike]Max[/strike] Harper. “I just need a drink and a touch of human interaction. But not too much of the latter.”
“_super_ awkward” … I see what you did there.
Max has no real experience in socialization like human … but didn’t realized it would be better to ask for some tips.
Who would she ask? I find most people have trouble describing the things that are so normal to them that they don’t have to consciously think about them.
Truth?
Her absolute best call would have been Sydney.
Given the very specific and awkward structure of Archon, we can set most fraternization rules on the shelf. Having already outed herself as a least a closeted D&D geek in her youth, that gives her an entry-point to a social tribe that Sydney could help her get into as a sort-of “refresher course.” I’m not even suggesting she completely dork up and go join a campaign group permanently (tho a great many military personnel do exactly that), but rather just get some socializing experience around a group of adult geeks. It pretty much guaranteed at least a few of them have additional “stuff we do” outside nerdy pop culture hobbies, and so that can be her entry to less niche socializing.
And for specific context, there’s Olivia & her brother, whom Sydney could very definitely introduce Harper to with relatively little difficulty.
Now, failing Sydney, I would say Pixel is the next best bet. She has experience dealing with normies, and I’m betting she’d actually direct her Décolleté‘s place, which I already pointed out would be a good place for Harper to start her education in “Adult Socializing & Recreation 101,” courtesy of Décolleté herself. As a “proper” succubus, she’s literally the best possible tutor. And I expect she’d be happy to do so, in a manner that won’t aggravate Harper, as gratitude for Archon personnel helping rescue her protégé.
Another good choice for learning how to “normal people” could very possibly be the Barberarian (assuming he can be trusted with knowledge of “Harper”). He’s a good example of a super who isn’t looking to Be A Super. I’d wager he’s probably got plenty of good experience that would help our girl, and some places to start learning. Add to that, barbers are like bartenders, they find out all kinds of wonky little things about interpersonal behaviors. If nothing else, he _did_ offer her a styling, with those diamond edged shears.
I cold go on. There’s an extensive list of people who Harper could lean on, if she can allow herself a moment of vulnerability, and to think about the network of people around her.
Decollete is a stupidly good choice.
She’s actually skilled at “social judo” and would be increadably effective at giving Max just enough help and not pushing bounderies.
Unlike Dabbler, who has all the subtlty of a bull in a china shop.
Though I don’t think Max thinks of herself as a “club person,” (expecially in this outfit) but I’m sure Decollete owns somewhere more low-key.
We’re going to find out that Decollete owns this pub, and the bartender has already spotted that she’s using disguise magic, aren’t we?
I’d really like to see the Barberian again in some future comic. Maybe with doing Maxima’s hair since he had offered. :)
Sydney is just as socially awkward as Maxi
She’s not, actually. Not “objectively.”
Sydney is a geek, yes, and she doesn’t have great skill or comfort in navigating “normal” (read: boring) people’s society. She does, however, have a social group outside of work. She has her tribe.
What Max has, is the Service, and while camaraderie is definitely a thing, these are still “work friends,” and the entire context of their relationships is defined by the needs and regulations of DoD. The association are not really voluntary, and they are heavily regimented. Stratified.
Harper’s whole reason for existing is to escape that. It isn’t just being huge and gold that isolates our girl, it’s the whole structure she occupies.
What tribe? You mean Leon and Olivia at the comic store?
The people she plays tabletop games with from the beginning of the comic.
Yeah, that’s, what, maybe three or four people total?
Like said, Sydney is just as socially awkward as Maxi: outside of their own little tightknit groups (which now have a bit of Venn Diagram going on) they aren’t very good at socializing with People
Nerds (even relapsed ones) tend to move in herds, and don’t function well outside of them
You sound like someone who has had interpersonal relationships explained to them, but had very little actual experience with them.
Decollete is probably the best option for an outside perspective on what’s normal human behavior. I just don’t think most people are going to be able to give more detailed advice than the utterly useless “just act natural!” The average person can identify deviations from normal, but probably can’t really describe “normal”, because they’re so enmeshed in it, do it without thinking about it.
I would say ask Anvil. She has a similar problem as Maxima in social settings when it comes to ‘physically standing out’ but seems to have learned how to handle it a LOT better. Plus Macima does respect her opinions as a friend, not just as a commanding officer.
For size in metric adjusted to the centimetre
Maxima 6’1 1,85 m
Halo 5′ 1,52 m
Dabbler 5’10” 1,78 m
Anvil 5’7″ 2,01 m
Harem 5’8″ 1,73 m
Peggy 5’4″ 1,63 m
Heatweave 5’5″ 1,65 m / 5’9″ 1,75 m
Math 5’11” 1,80 m
Mr amorphous 6’1″ 1,85 m
Achilles 5’10” 1,78 m
Hiro 6’2″ 1,88 m
Stalwart 6’4″ 1,93 m
Jiggawatt 5’9″1,75 m
Anvil is 6’7″ not 5’7″… that’s 1.71m
Exact 6’7 correct conversion bu typing error 2,01 m is 6’7″
Why am I trying to puzzle together how it would feel for a guy to get lucky with her, since we know that it feels like hitting Mt. Rushmore (https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/archives/comic/grrl-power-44-crime-fightin-lessons/) when you punch her.
Her skin is very shiny, so one would assume it would be metallic like?
Or does it actually feel soft to the touch when you caress it gently, like a non-Newtonian fluid like cornstarch mixed with water?
I need to be less alone, it would seem :sweat_smile:
Test… the website is acting up HUGELY with the comments.. going back from 26 to 18 and not showing any of mine :(
This is normal for this site.
$$$ to fix for a problem that doesn’t cost Dave money.
Again, why are most readers so adamant that Maxi is there to get laid?
And you wonder why you don’t find nice women in bars…
So Carrot (6’6 2m) would be still a good deal higher than her despite being a dwarf.
6’6″ is 1.98 m 6’7″ is 2.01 m
5’11” is 1.80 m
6’4″ is 1,93 m
6’2″ is 1,88 m
6’5″ is Charles de Gaulle (1.96 m)
6’8″ is Teddy Riner (2.03 m)
7’4″ is André Roussimoff “André the Giant” (2.24 m)
What about that Dwarf in infinity war (Eitri) played by Dinklage?
He is over 10 feet tall. :)
Maxi wasn’t being defensive about her height, she was just pointing out how that line was ridiculous (or what she thought the line was… which was still ridiculous to use in a bar, to pick up bicker chicks)
Dating was a train wreck for me. Women usually ran away screaming after one date and a married the next man they saw to get conclusively off the radar. Meeting and marrying my spouse was a series of MULTIPLE things going just precisely right.
I wish I’d had dating to BE a train wreck. I was involved in an incident in elementary school that probably would have been a national headline these days, and ended up so phobic about women that I didn’t go on my first date until I was nearly 40. My second was close to a decade later.
Not that I didn’t like women, mind you. I’d just approach them to ask them out, and something would take control of my mouth, and I’d wind up discussing absolutely anything else.
Yeah, I might have tried that 2nd pickup line. And then walked away with my teeth chattering.
I’m a social psychologist and one of my specialties is social dynamics with a focus on sex/gender dynamics.
IF I was in the bar in the first place, I’d be the guy nursing his only beer of the evening and relaxing while just people-watching and observing the “attempted courtship initiations/rituals” around me. To be honest, I’d likely be quickly chuckling to myself in my head while amusing myself by trying to predict what style of pickup line each guy approaching her. (*thinking* “Hmm… From his posture and clothing choice, and apparent age, I believe the guy in the open blue dress shirt over the white tee is going to attempt the intellectual approach and try to impress her with something academic seeming. The guy in the red-shirt… not athletic enough, more than a bit hipster looking… I’m thinking he’s going to suggest taking her to his favorite micro-brewery that makes artisanal beer, or is going to try and tell her about how he makes his own artisanal, hand-crafted whoziwhatsists made with locally sourced components.”)
Those occasional times I’ve gone to a bar, it’s generally been to enjoy people-watching. Or (decades ago) as the designated-driver for a friend on their 21st birthday as I took them on the rounds for their free celebratory drinks. I’ve never been to a bar with intent to hook up. (I know… I’m a bit of a social introvert.)
Once a psychologist, always a psychologist. My experience is more on the substance abuse counseling/forensic side of the map rather than social dynamics but I’ve never stopped being a people watcher. I miss the heyday of shopping malls. Large heterogeneous groups of people almost always have entertainment value.
This is also known as ‘the creepy guy in the back who keeps staring at people’
I might resemble that remark.
Being “that creepy guy” all depends on one’s manner and body language. If you’re not obvious about watching people and just seem to be enjoying a drink on your own while thoughtfully (seeming to be) looking at nothing in particular… it doesn’t come across as bad. Especially if you’re in comfortable but nice clothes like you are just stopping in to have a drink after getting off work. Don’t stare at anyone, but seem personable enough to approach if anyone decides to (i.e., don’t radiate an anti-social aura). And be skilled with using your peripheral vision and focusing your attention on conversations around you without appearing to be.
But, on the other hand… yeah. If you’re wearing a suit to a casual bar or clothes that seem wildly out of place and are clearly watching people’s interactions or eavesdropping on their conversations, not a good thing. Especially if your age doesn’t really fit the target for the bar. (E.g., if you’re 45 in a bar full of college kids. Though if you’re a good looking female you’re more likely to fit in as appearing to at least be a cougar on the prowl at worst.)
It’s like going to a strip club. You can either be relaxed, casual, and clearly be there just to have a little fun even if you’re by yourself. The kind of guy who doesn’t walk in like he owns the place but also doesn’t skulk in like he’s trying to hide something. Dress casual, act casual, be casual, and tip decently. Don’t oogle the dancers but show that you appreciate their efforts, and sometimes you can even joke around with them or compliment them a bit as they get their tip. (This was me when I used to go to a club in town back where I lived in my late 20s.)
Or, you can be the guy in the trench-coat/duster and hat skulking in, looking furtively as though you’re afraid someone might recognize you. The kind of guy who just oozes the sense that he’s there to get his rocks off and possibly touch himself under his jacket. He is the kind of guy who leans as close to the stage as he can and almost has the words “amateur gynecologist” flashing over his head in neon like a cartoon perv.
Fortunately for me… I was always the kind of guy who came across (when he was in his “people watching at the bar” or “spending a couple of hours at the gentleman’s club” days) as someone innocuous, a guy who doesn’t seem out of place and doesn’t really attract attention unless he draws it to himself (e.g., smiling and leaning in to quietly make a polite compliment to one of the dancers).
It also depends on how good looking (or not) you are: good looking people tend to get away with a lot more than average or lower looking people can
An average looking person can (and has) been accused of being a stalking creep just for breathing too loud three feet away, whereas a good looking person can get away with literally (and intentionally) breathing down their neck
Not to mention the difference between ‘harmless flirting’ and ‘malicious sexual harassment’
For myself, I generally fit the innocuous retiree stereotype. Other than having long hair, there isn’t much that stands out. If I don’t actively draw attention to myself I pretty much fade into the background of a crowd.
I’ve never understood the thing with guys who only want to date shorter women. Like, I get that people have individual preferences. But this one seems to be weirdly common.
Well, if you consider that women average shorter than men, it had better be.
It’s an evolutionary psychology thing. Human males are lion-killers/tribe protectors. Human females are child-bearers/lion-killer-tamers. Males have a desire to explicitly dominate (everything, not just women). Women’s desire is…more subtle. The smaller female triggers the protect/dominate reflex while the larger one challenges it. This works the other way around as well. Women are also generally drawn to taller men. (Which _also_ reinforces the instinct to go after shorter women… … ….)
Is the same thing about women going for money & men for looks
Not exactly it’s more like ancestor live in dominant male with an harem society…
For exemple a male lion is heavier and taller than a female but spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta) females are heavyer and stronger than males.
I found some one whom I connected with. She is on the tall (over 6′ / 1.80m+) spectrum. A physical attribute that she likes about dating me is that she can wear her heels and we are same height, or I am still taller in formal shoes. Her height was always a sore point (bullied) and my height makes her feel petite and ‘cute’ when she may not to otherwise.
I have some college aquantences who got together. She is 5’11 and well … very athletic and smart, but with the personality and body type of that girl in an anime who always wears the wool sweater that should be loose but is tight around the chest, and glasses. Sometimes I think her ‘oh noes’ and ‘oops’ are intentional cause it flustered the other guys in our group.
The guy that she grew close with and eventually married was 5’3. He was athletic enough to bike a 5k, maybe jog a mile, so could do light work outs with her. They had similar ‘nerd’ hobbies. One day it came up ‘so, what do you see in her’ and he said without having to think “she gives the best hugs” *confused looks* he calls out “honey I need a hug” she comes bouncing over and his head almost vanishes into her shirt and he comes out smiling as she sets him down, chest resting on his head he turns grinning “see she’s perfect for me”
TLDR: Taller masculine/dominate partner smaller feminine/submissive partner is the public societal norm. Deviating from it can cause stress for some, but if you know what you want, have the courage to go for it, and it is consentual/legal with ALL involved, then find your happiness your way.
I’m sorry “athletic enough to bike a 5k”?… Assuming that is 5 miles and not 5 thousand miles, that’s my commute by bike one-way. If it is 5 kilometers, it is 5/8ths of my commute. And just for clarity I am an obese nerd. I didn’t know cycling 5k was supposed to be an athletic achievement, for me that is a normal event I do several times a day.
I… I gotta process this.
It’s a reference of ability. Some people can use diet and gym work to keep a fit looking body, but that doesn’t mean they could go out and do a 5km mountain trail or a half marathon (yes i know very huge differences in distance) and yet you can also find people with ‘dad bods’ and who look very unfit (Think “The Fridge” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rm-d9UgyU 1985 foot ball player) but could definately lift more than me, and out run me, even though I ‘look’ more fit. —
Also to tag on, you do it twice a day, your body is used to the effort level needed. If your bike was suddenly twice as heavy, or the distance twice as much, the first couple days may leave you a little more tired than you would expect. My friend doesn’t do any stamina in his fitness routine. Get him on a treadmill and he lasts about 15 minutes at a jog. Different people, different body types, and different diets produce different strengths.
It’s more often that woman want to date taller men (even someone like Anvil would LIKE to but she’s limited in her options because of how tall she is). I’m sure it has some evolutionary reason though. With men it’s probably either because 1) most women ARE shorter than men, so it’s widening their possible choices, or 2) it makes for an awkward ‘power dynamic’ if the woman is taller than the man (like what Maxima was talking about in the prelude to her ‘not date’ with Deus at his restaurant), or 3) they don’t and this is an incorrect assessment based on the statistics, since a study on women and men’s height preferences found that, while a slight majority of men are MOST satisfied when the woman is about 3 inches shorter than the man, the majority of men don’t care much about height and only 13.5% of men prefer to date only women who are shorter than them (as compared to 48.9% of women who prefer to onyl date men taller than them) – although another study says 23% of men would happily accept a relationship where the woman is taller, while only 4% of women would accept that same relationship.
Also there’s probably a social element involved. Taller people, male or female, tend to, for whatever reason, make more money than shorter men. Economists call this the ‘height premium.’ Since men tend to not care that much about how much money the woman makes, the ‘height premium’ is probably in the back of most women’s mind as a measure of how successful the man is (and therefore how good a catch he is in the dating scene). They are also ‘statistically’ healthier and seen as better protectors/providers should the relationship advance. It’s not the same statistically with women, although Maxima breaks ALL those socioeconomic assumptions, as she is always going to be the better protector, healthier, and usually the better financial provider in a relationship (except for certain people like Deus, praise be his name amen, who defies all the statistics about comparisons with Maxima, but is taller anyway and Maxima is attracted to him as well, no matter how much the lady doth protest about it initially).
TL;DR – what both Lurker, Brett, and Angie said and a few other things involving psychological studies, combined my usual hero worship praise for Deus.
My spouse is two inches taller than me. I’m 5’10”, so it’s not a blatant difference. I just view it as improving my general, as I am all Western European, and they are Eastern.
Those are some brave men. Or stupid.
Oh come on guys! You’re making us all look bad.
The first guy deserves *some* consideration, if you ask me. Because while his line was cringy (as pretty much all pickup lines are) and unimaginative, he also *immediately* respected the rejection; something that is, unfortunately, rarer than it should be.
Nobody whose first words to you are “Hey baby” should ever be considered a viable prospect.
Nah, Max should stick to that rejection.
It does suggest he might a decent guy generally though.
That doesn’t look like the proper glass for the beer that was mentioned earlier.
Unless she has a note from her doctor the bartender should have cut her off by now.
Well, yeah, that first drink was amusing, but realistically, a bartender wouldn’t give you that much alcohol at one time unless they wanted to be up on charges, and lose his license.
If you drink slowly, you’re likely to pass out before getting a fatal dose, but just slamming it down like that? People die that way.
In the Grrl-iverse Supers are rare but not *that* rare.
He’s seen it before. 10 people worth of drinks occupying only one chair. Score!
(As long as she doesn’t bust up the place.)
It would most likely take a liter bottle to get her wasted, if she does a “Flash” and speeds herself up, she could burn it off as fast as she wants. This is suppose to be a “relaxing drink”, once she chases off the wolves. With her speed for that matter, any guys that bother her too much, she could speed around the room and sit back down before anyone knew it, followed by the squeaks and moans and groans of grown men having “atomic wedgies” at the same time!
COMEDY!
This is the first time she’s tried to go out alone while off-duty and of course it’s not going how she would of liked.
Good thing she didn’t go to a lesbian bar, they’re much more aggressive with trying to get into your pants.
Given Maxima’s innate intimidation factor, even when not trying (or being golden), I am surprised by the number of guys measuring up the necessary courage to even approach her, regardless of their individual degree of intoxication.
Seriously, have modern men just completely forgotten the classic, “Hey, can I buy you a drink?”
Just follow that with, “My name’s Tom/Mike/Bill/Jim. Feel like some polite company?”
They say no, you smile, say, “No worries. Enjoy that drink, okay? I’m free if you change your mind,” and then back away, and if they don’t change their mind, take joy in the fact that you earned some good karma and every other woman there got a chance to see that you are a good egg; I’ve had people approach ME after that, because I proved myself.
You do that long enough, you build a reputation as someone respectful and confident, and that is ATTRACTIVE. People will start pointing to YOU as the person to go talk to. The new girl will look to the bartender and see them give her an encouraging smile, because that bartender knows you’re a good one. The others there will know you aren’t trouble.
Whether the girl talks to you or not, you are still building yourself up this way, and come out on top. I’ve seen it. I’ve BEEN it. It works, and it’s a wonderful feeling.
I can’t answer your question for certain, never been close to this kind of situation in my life, but could the obsession with originality and/or specificity have something to do with it?
As you can see in the comments there is a large group of humans(gender unclear) that clearly aims for [b]original[/b] pick up lines and “hey can I buy you a drink” isn’t original.
Also depending on your goals when flirting with a girl the opinion of the surrounding people could very well be irrelevant. This kind of flirting isn’t advisable at a bar, but it wouldn’t surprise that the growing chastity of the modern generation thanks to high pixel recording devices and forgettance of the prudeness of their great-grand parents(70s) has resulted in a more targeted approach to bar flirting, which means standing out from the crowd and lower reliance on reputation.
The owner of that bar has the same taste in art as my grandmother.
… not that there’s anything wrong with that.
A hard woman is good to find.
These boots are made for stompin’
And that’s just what they’ll do
One of these days these boots are gonna stomp all over you.
(With apologies to Nancy Sinatra)
↑ Agreed ↑
No Dave, you’re pretty much on point, as I, and most of my friends that are female, would react in just that same way…especially when said guy has a bet on the line, because it would be hysterical to watch his friends reaction. They’d likely become ine of those fun friends to hang out with later.
I’m surprised “Harper” didn’t catch the nerdy Dwarf reference, cheesy pick-up line though it may be. I’m even more surprised she was able to resist going Barb Wire on the one that called her baby.
I’m waiting with popcorn to see how red-shirt strikes out.