Well, I finally got around to seeing Avengers: Endgame, and I figured everyone could use a place to talk about it without worrying about spoiling the movie for other people. So be aware, anything in the comments of this post is probably a spoiler of some kind.
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The movie was fantastic. I loved it, period. What I found really interesting about it was tthe potential setup for the next arc(s). Firstly, they aged Cassie to a teenager, ‘cough’ STATURE ‘cough’, which would open a feasible gate to the young avengers. Hulkling is possible to just pop in randomly, and although Vision is dead, Scarlet Witch can just magic their kids, Speed and Wiccan, into existence, even accidentally. Another arc that could pop up now is the X-men, since I believe Disney bought the rights to them. Because of the alternate universes that are popping up, mixed with the spoilers from Spiderman: Far From Home, it’s possible that the mutants, or even the inhumans (though unlikely that they’d go there), could come into the MCU through one of the tears. Doing this would allow them to be integrated into the universe without having to start from scratch, or worse, saying that they were “there all along”. They might have also gotten the rights to Deadpool and the Fantastic Four (Deadpool might be tied into the X-Men), who could use this same path.
TLDR; Endgame (+Spiderman 2 spoilers) makes possible way for Young Avengers, X-men, Deadpool, Fantastic Four, and maybe inhumans (not a great idea imho) to enter into the MCU.
Yeah, as I understand it, Marvel/Disney now has the movie rights to everything except Spiderman (and his supporting characters) which are still with Sony, but they’re (mostly) playing nice with them (at least for now), and some rights to Hulk (which is why we’re not seeing another solo Hulk movie any time soon – Universal has those rights).
As for introducing characters into the MCU, the Fantastic Four are fairly easy to drop into continuity as a new team; introducing them as experienced characters would be trickier and probably require multiverse shenanigans – they’ve always been very public characters.
X-Men are much harder to integrate (even in the comics) due to living in a subtly different world from other Marvel characters. In an X-comic, if a random teenager on a random city street burst into flames and flew up into the sky (not causing any hurt, harm, or damage to anyone or anything) then an angry mob would be complaining to authorities about the streets not being safe with mutants allowed to roam free among decent people; in other Marvel comics, there’d be a cheering mob (or, if it’s New York, an apathetic mob).
Also, the X-Men have much more history behind the characters – Professor X and Magneto are decades older than the main group of X-Men, so they need to have been “there” (or somewhere) all along, along with a background level of mutancy.
So mutant integration is a real problem for the MCU, and it’s going to take a rewrite to be able to bring the X-Men in convincingly.
Meanwhile, Deadpool is a special case, and unlikely to join the main MCU any time soon, though he can easily just handwave changing from being off to one side in the X-Men franchise to being off to one side in the MCU since he has a special relationship with the fourth wall…
There was at least one off hand reference to the Fantastic Four in the Avengers movies; At one point Stark admits that he doesn’t have a “radical cube”, Reed’s doorway into the negative zone.
Inhumans are already part of the MCU thanks to Agents of SHIELD. Hell, they even had their own short-lived spinoff.
Yes, and the world that the Inhumans inhabit in the comics doesn’t make any sense as the same world the mutants inhabit. The mutants are shunned, but the Inhumans, basically all the same dangers to to public as mutants, and pretty much indistinguishable from them without a scorecard are celebrated by the public. To the point that you’d expect that when a mob was chasing a mutant, all they’d have to say is “no, no, I’m an Inhuman” and the mob would instantly turn into a ticker tape parade in honor of the mutant.
I have to admit to being somewhat ticked off, due to being a long time Adam Warlock fan. And aside from an off screen cameo, they wrote him out of a plot that he was as central to as Thanos. (In the original Infinity War plot, it was Thanos vs Warlock with everybody else as bit players.)
But I think they really screwed things up here, even ignoring the original comic book plot. Half the population (Of the universe!) vanishes. Five years pass. Society regroups. Then you drop those people back into the world.
What are they going to EAT? You just doubled the population of worlds that had been horribly disrupted, and then finally recovered enough to handle the populations they had.
Let’s face it, they think they won, and in a few weeks they’re going to figure out just how badly they screwed up.
Besides the logistics, there’s also the emotional and relationship issues to work through. Like, the guy Cap advised on moving on, who finally started dating again, now has his partner back alive suddenly. And the jobs that were either eliminated or filled by other people, now have a person who doesn’t know they were gone for 5 years wanting to fill that job.
And this is what happens when I see things in reverse order, and miss out on the fact that this is a point already discussed.
But they brought the disintegrated half of the plants and animals back tooback too
Sorry, but it made no sense.
Second-timeline-past Thanos along with both daughters goes forward in time, gets killed, therefore CAN’T collect the infinity stones, and wipe out half of all creatures. Timeline wrecked. Why bother returning the infinity stones?
Because the timeline Thanos came from would be wrecked. Watch the discussion between TAO and Bruce about why she doesn’t want to give him the time stone.
Your house is on fire. You borrow your neighbor’s hose to put it out… but then you don’t give it back, and when his house catches on fire, he doesn’t have a hose to put it out with. That’s what not returning the stones would do.
To give an alternate, maybe shorter explanation, Thanos never stole the time stones, but the good guys DID. They’re returning them so they aren’t lost. More to point, returning just the Time Stone allows Doctor Strange to defeat Dormammu. Without it, he probably dies horribly (as does everyone).
One thought on why people had to snap their fingers to use all the stones at once:
They didn’t. They just thought they did. Hulk and Iron Man, after seeing Thanos do it that way, might have mistakenly assumed it was the way to do it.
Thanos might be pulling a Drax. Just assume Eitri said something like, “…you could just snap your fingers…” and he took it literally. (Also, as Deadpool would point out, that’s the way it happened in the comics.)
Agreed. Thanos did it out of personal style. It’s just a motion to focus the action. He could have flipped the bird and accomplished the same thing. Disney probably would have made a few extra million if he had.
I like the part where you ignore French as a common language. I guess you [fairly] assumed they would learn any potential threat’s language asap, if only to be certain that white is still the appropriate flag colour.
Oh, my. If you can’t change the past via time travel, then why is Gamora not still ‘irrevocably dead’ via the soul stone?
I can kinda understand why the stones and the gauntlet have the McGuffin fault of damaging the user if used. Eg. no device(gauntlet) can perfectly control and direct the power of the stones.
Other than that, how do you return some of the stones? eg the space stone to a tesseract, and the soul stone to it’s place on ‘mt doom’ and if you ‘returned’ the mindstone, that means Vision is now alive too, or could be remade?
Vision never died. Vision in that timeline will never die, because there won’t be anyone to kill him. Remember, they were in different times. The Mind Stone was taken from Loki’s Staff, not Vision. Vision didn’t exist yet. The Tesseract was taken whole. The more accurate and interesting question is how did they extract the stone from the Tesseract? Thanos crushed it in his hand to do so. I can theoretically handwave Stark being able to leave behind some kind of instruction on repairing it. Returning the Soul Stone might actually bring back Black Widow (but not Gamora, that stone’s version was destroyed)
In Timeline A, the one in the Infinity War/Endgame “present” and the one that finishes the movie, Vision and Wanda both died. Presumably neither is coming back, and if they do it’s not by changing history.
In Timeline New York, where the Avengers borrowed the Mind Stone and Time Stone (and lost the Tesseract to Loki), the returned Time Stone might be used to create the Vision–but since Vision was a melding of Jarvis with the Time Stone due to Ultron’s attempt to destroy the world, which happened due to Hydra, Wanda, etc., that scenario is just not going to happen the same way.
But keep in mind Cap only had to return the stones to their original timelines–he didn’t have to return them to the same place in the timeline and in the same condition. In three cases he couldn’t. Using the Space Stone meant destroying the cube it was encased in, same for the Mind Stone (encased in a larger containing gem in the scepter), and the Power Stone had to be condensed from its fluid Aether form to use in the gauntlet (also even if it could be returned to it’s Aether form (it wasn’t) there was no way Cap could just walk into Asgard and re-inject it into Jane Foster).
Which is why, no matter what the Avengers did, they were creating alternate timelines.
The theory put forward by the movie, as I understood it in the theater at least, is that going back into the past would spawn an alternate timeline, but returning the stone to the point it was taken would essentially collapse that alternate timeline because of the unique relationship between the stones and the universe. The changes wrought in the primary timeline would be persistent, but the alternate timeline spawned by removing the stone would cease to exist when the stone was returned. Resulting in a primary timeline where it was both a fact that Thanos had collected the stones and lived into the future and a fact that in that future, a past Thanos had arrived and died.
On the other hand, if it’s true that they’re going to use Alternate New York Loki for his own stuff, then it raises the question of whether that TV universe eventually will end in collapse.
As I mentioned previously, the movie did a crappy job of nailing down exactly what the “theory” is, other than not being able to change your own history, because the movie’s writers and the movie’s directors operated from two different sets of “facts” about what they thought was going on. Most people writing about it, though, assume that the changed events resulted in new timelines. For a recent example, see here:
https://collider.com/avengers-endgame-time-travel-explained/#poster
I think we’re eventually going to find out that Marvel Studios has decided on The Truth, whatever it is; indications point to the possibility that the Loki and Scarlet Witch/Vision series take place on one or more of the altered timelines. Maybe. We’ll see.
The Gamora who Thanos sacrificed ain’t getting any less dead even if they imported her alternate universe doppleganger with no use for Quill.
The movie was fantastic. I loved it, period. End is very superb. Captain America miss u
I Liked it. Some was sad and bittersweet, Like who is going to be Iron Man now? Some was really awesome like the Charge of the Fem Brigade, and Cap swing Thor’s hammer Mjolnir like a boss!
I get the feeling that as time passes, more and more people will become disillusioned with Avengers: Endgame, not to dissimilar with Star Wars, The Force Awakened. Once the emotional high fades, I imagine people will start asking questions about what they’ve seen (we can already see it starting with people questioning the time travel element) and come to a very different conclusion as to the quality of the film. A great film is timeless…this is bubblegum, and not even the long lasting kind.
Wild Cards reference? You must be older than you look.
Love the Brooklyn 99 reference! the Kle is silent!
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I disagree it’s been over a year now and I still love it. I love the comics and I love these different but still great movies. This ain’t quite bubblegum. What I really love is it gives me the same feeling that a stack of comics and a Rockytop grape soda gave me all those years ago reading a stack of comics in my grandmothers house. It’s the feelings these generate that remain so amazing.
I think the mcu is still reeling from infinity war and its aftermath. we have a few tv properties and solo movies going and i think the time is right for the fantastic four. ironman and the Avengers dominated the mcu so much that we need to see the rest of the mcu. im talking fantastic four and x-men. galactus might have to be involved in the creation of the four some way