Grrl Power #771 – The Ledhceb test
It’s a fair bet Frix doesn’t know what the Bechdel test is. I’m not sure if he knows what high fives are, but I figure there are some galaxy-wide standards for expressing bro-ish approval. As usual, I spent too much time thinking about it. For a while I was thinking that maybe high-fives (or handshakes for that matter) would be frowned upon because intergalactic disease transmission might be a significant issue, but then I’ve already established in the comic that their medical technology is pretty dope.
Then again, Cora’s crew has access to the latest and greatest med-tech, but every species/empire/collective handles healthcare however they handle it, so not everyone necessarily has access to the good stuff. Still, fist bumps and elbow bumps would generally be safer than high-fives… assuming the race you’re elbow bumping doesn’t have Baoh blades on their arms. I meant germ wise. Even if the arm rests on space taxis are biohazard level 5 petri dishes, it’s not like most races can wipe their mouth with their own elbows. There are probably some that can, but as Dabbler pointed out a few pages ago, humanoid morphology represents!
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Next, she imply they are talking about a threesome and they beat the crap out of her.
Or she might be wanting to apologize for how she acted when she first came back, after the Krona relationship reveal, given she did the same thing (or moreso, we don’t know how far Krona and Leon have went).
Also haha, funny :)
[Nosurrender]:
The only permissible beatings are spankings…
…but there shall be SO_MANY spankings…
…& then, as punishment — the spankings shall be WITHHELD!
;)
#That’ll_Show_Her!
The last page has me still thinking about marketing opportunities. I noticed that Frix is wearing pants with a button fly. Is it possible that the rest of the universe has never invented the zipper? If true and we can find a way to get a patent registered with the interplanetary patent office, Earth could rake in the big bucks/credits/quatloos for this.
(Yes, I know Earth has space tourists, but no one ever said they were SMART tourists)
Ummm, think a bit here. I mean, down there. Have you ever had hairs cought in a zip? There’s a film called “Something about Mary” where one of the characters wasn’t wearing his jocks and pulled the zip up without thinking… I believe it’s a bit of a Life Meme.
Hair is actually the best case for getting caught in that zipper, trust me on this. :O
Yeah, that weren’t hair, mate.
There appear to be a lot of assumptions about just what kind of fasteners – if any – are holding Frix’s pants… closed. Could be buttons, zippers, velcro, magnets, holographic projection. The markings or embroidery on the front do not signify any of those. The actual fastening my be an elastic waist or bands behind a crotch-shield.
It’s interesting, for sure.
His pants appear to have belt loops … and a front panel buttoned up both sides.
The closest thing I’ve been able to find online, are women’s pants that have decorative buttons on both sides of the crotch area – and use elastic waistbands.
Actually reminds me of olde style military pants
Aside form the hair in the zipper issue, it is a fashion choice. Even here on earth, you can still get button fly trousers. I have seen them on leather trousers, jeans, overalls and dinner suit trousers.
Those aren’t actually button fly. Those are “Fall Front Trousers” aka “regency pants” aka “Sailor Pants”.
http://tinyurl.com/y3jsyd6v
Button fly has only one line pf buttons, down the center.
Actually those would be the bees’ knees for workwear. Seriously, what a bloke has to do in the loo is mind-boggling with all the protective stuff we have to have. And let’s face it, some workwear manufacturers don’t have any idea what their product will have to put up with on the job, it’s complete rubbish.
Yes, those are the type mentioned above as olde style military pants
Panel 4: Sydney initiate high-5.
Panel-5: She tells Leon he’s not allowed.
Obviously, she’s trying to deliberately piss him off. The question is, Why?
Either she subconsciously hates herself and ends up self-sabotaging any potential for happiness, like Rimmer in Red Dwarf, or she subconsciously (or even consciously) wants to sabotage her relationship with Leon because she’s decided she’d rather be with Frix but can’t think of any way to do it that doesn’t involve sitcom logic.
Or she is just jovially teasing him like pals and buddies tend to do.
Or she is actually kinda sexist.
Or she has the dating attitude of a five year old boy (“How else would she notice that I like her, if I don’t pull her hair?”)
I’m guessing a little mix of the 2nd and 3rd things :). More the third than the second.
Mix of first and third, you mean
No. Sydney has always been sexist.
No, I mean second and third. Sydney has been having some kinda sexist behavior when dealing with Leon. Remember how she treated him when she first got back to Earth and found out about Krona. If you reversed the sexes, you’d call Sydney’s behavior sexist as well. Just because she’s a woman doesn’t mean she’s incapable of behaving in a sexist way. But it’s definitely MORE that she’s immature (#3 – it’s part of her charm) than sexist here.
Not saying she hasn’t shown sexist tendencies in the past, just saying that here it is her attempting to be less sexist (note what she says in the last panel: she knows she has a problem, and she is going to work on correcting it)
As for what happened when she came back, was one of the ones pointing out how wrong she was acting when so many others were saying it was funny and that Leon deserved everything
Well her main sexist tendencies have been against Leon, who seems to be a pushover about it anyway. But it’s still sexist tendencies, which is why I said ‘a mix of 2nd and 3rd.’ MAINLY because of how she treated Leon after she came back, made comments which would lead to a glaringly obvious suggestion, then physically assaulted Leon for asking the obvious. Also he treated him like an object, asking if she could ‘share’ him with Krona, as if he has no agency or say in the matter. Which, if the gender roles were reversed, would be seen as horribly sexist. And mind you I say this with Sydney being my absolute favorite character in this comic anyway. And yes, she is aware that she has problems, and is trying to improve. One of the reasons I like Sydney. :) She engages in self-burns too (like on the roof of the nightclub), which I also like, because self-deprecation can be really funny and endearing in a character. But I mean… it still doesnt mean she ISNT a little bit #2. Here, she did have a little of that sexism coming up as well though. She makes a joke, goes for a high five, then because Leon is a guy, she denies the high five that she had juuuust asked for. Exclusion – because of gender. That’s sexist :). Admittedly it’s MORE because she’s wildly immature though. Sort of like a little boy who pulls on a little girl’s hair because ‘he likes her.’ Because they’re too immature to actually know how to express themselves (although Sydney doesn’t have the excuse of being 7 or so years old).
But I do like my heroes and heroines to have character flaws they recognize and try to improve on – Iron Man was/is an alcoholic, Batman is incapable of having a good long term relationship (Catwoman being his best attempt at it shows how screwed up he is), Spider-Man has a never-ending guilt complex, Mr Fantastic (despite being the smartest person in the Marvel Universe) usually acts borderline autistic in social settings, Supergirl (in the comic at least) pretty much has PTSD and massive survivor guilt, each of the people who have been Robin think they’re ‘undefined’ while the other Robins have a definite place (even Dick Grayson/Nightwing), Billy Butcher (from the Boys) and Constantine (from DC) are both absolute pieces of manipulative crap despite being genuinely heroic when needed, Hughie (also from The Boys) has spent his entire life as a spineless pushover, Hawkeye has an inferiority complex (admitted once to Spider-Man), etc. I’m really hoping she wants to apologize to Leon for how she’s acted and that’s why she’s wanting to be serious.
Again, again, NOT denying she hasn’t been sexist in the past, just saying that this time, it wasn’t sexist, any more than if it was two guys doing the same thing
Her wording needs to be worked on, butt there was no ill-intent this time
Oh, and do know what you said, and that you meant what you said, it was just an attempt at friendly correction
Probably the zipper that can do the job is beyond galactic tech. LOL
I… assume you’re talking about this kind of torpor, and not this one Google turns up. If so, maybe a simple dose of the forget-me stick would be effective.
I can remember a 14-hour–plus get out of bed, have breakfast and drive to the yard–day, and trying to help the tech replace some beacons when we got back to the yard…
Couldn’t figure out why they (Aus$50 each) wouldn’t stay in my hand as I passed them up to him.
And then I had to drive back home, no Red Bull, no “speed”… These days we have rigid time monitoring (including the drive-to-yard) to prevent that.
Re panel 1.
When Sydney was ‘putting out fires’ I am not sure which version was more important, dowsing the actual flames, or the level of PR done to spin what happened with the visiting press to prevent a new ‘War of the Worlds’ media panic.
Not sure how a Deathworlder-style curb stomp of an invading army would cause panic, especially if any of Cora’s commentary on how tough they were made it out to the public.
Totally off topic for this page, but I would LOVE to see Dabbler’s reaction to somebody whose reaction to her floozie act is to want to cuddle her like a kitten and rub her adorable purple ears.
HA!
Does she purr when you scratch behind her ears? lol
Yes, and it’s an involuntary reaction that she didn’t know about (and hates) :D
Does anyone else find these long triangles a bit jarring? Especially when Sydney asks the timegirl (I forgot her name) if she could take Leon on a date and timegirl is super cool with it. You don’t just ask a friend if you can date their bf, and if you do have a quiet word not in front of him.
And now Leon and Woof are discussing dating Syd?! Leon has a gf and she hasn’t even agreed he can date Syd yet!
Doubt Leon and Frix were talking about Sydney at all, that is just Sydney assuming the only thing two people she knows has in common is her, and not maybe talking about what foods they like to eat
they did just meet. and might not be in that “omg eternal love for each other” moment. plus i am sure even being in proximity of dabbler on a regular basis lowers one’s issues regarding sharing
Sometimes proximity to relationships without commitment or dependability elevates the degree to which those same characteristics are prized.
Personally don’t like to use the word ‘promise’ (also don’t like the word ‘sorry’), butt do like Sydney’s sentiment in the last panel: no guarantees, butt she will do her best
Yaarrrrr!!!! me favorite booty!!
I would assume that during Sydney’s debrief she did mention to Max that their are Alari refugees in Cora’s cargo hold. Given the problems they had with Sciona, I would have thought Maxima would insist on checking them out just to be sure there aren’t any Sciona wannabes amongst them. Or maybe Sydney just forgot to mention them.
Sydney might forget, butt what about Cora? Or Frix? Or… the other two?
I am still amazed that Sydney is in one piece, or not have severely broken hips, seeing the size difference between her and frix.
Now, Now…we can’t have Death By Snu Snu here in the Grrlpowerverse.
Why would her hips be broken? You do know how people have sex right? There is more than just the missionary position
Just because his body is large, doesn’t mean his dick is as thick as her waist, it could be like a prehensile eel: two feet long butt only three inches wide
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like… dabbler one hand “barely”
Hum she should ask the space woof with access to advanced medical tech to fix her eyes
You mean, like how they could ‘fix’ Cora’s ‘missing’ limbs? o_O
Cora’s family didn’t have the money.
Cora already explained that although she could afford to get new biological limbs now she prefers to stay as she is.
Which is the same with Sydney: she prefers to stay how she is, physically at least
Instead of ‘fixing’ her eyes, they could maybe make her glasses high tech
Cora already did that.
Sydney just hasn’t discovered what they do.
there normal glasses there been no fix I went back to when she was making them and nothing was added so there just like her old glasses
Would alien improvements be visible to the eye?
Suppose it was something like being durable enough to take an antitank missile, or a tiny heads up display which broadcasts onto her retina?
We saw glasses made which looked like her old ones. That doesn’t necessarily equate to actually being like her old ones.
Fairly sure Cora simply made the frame more durable and the lens out of some space-age scratch-resistant polymer, nothing really ‘high-tech’ with a built-in HUD and special vision settings, kinda like Specs (the character)
*reads bottom text*
So she WILL be dating Krona!
…
No? So, Pixel then?
I actually do think one should high-five a Reverse Bechdel test fail. That means it passes the Meta-Bechdel test, which I devised (though I can easily imagine that I’m not the first person to come up with it). If a work fails the Bechdel and passes the Reverse Bechdel, it fails the Meta-Bechdel. Otherwise, it passes. So, any work that fails the Reverse Bechdel passes the Meta-Bechdel, and thus, in my opinion, is worthy of a high five.
For clarification, do you mean a work passes the Meta-Bechdel if it either passes both the Bechdel and reverse-Bechdel or fails them both, but it fails the Meta-Bechdel if it passes one but fails the other? That makes sense: that whatever the level of writing, the important thing is that it’s consistent.
Was that exclamation mark as audible for everyone else as it was for me? X,D
I kinda didn’t noticed that Frix was so tall.. perspective is everything after all.
The Bechdel and reverse-Bechdel ‘tests’ have several fundamental failings. They can be useful as flags, but they’re neither necessary nor sufficient to support a claim of sexist writing.
A major issue is that the ‘tests’ take no account of context, and simply assume that a conversation ‘about a person of the opposite sex’ will automatically be in a romantic, rather than functional, mode. A conversation between Doctors Chevy and Frost about a shared patient could pass or fail Bechdel, purely depending on whether they were talking about Heatwave or Hiro, even if the conversations were functionally identical and focused purely on medical issues!
They also ignore the not inconsiderable number of scenarios in which the setting itself has a strongly imbalanced gender ratio for legitimate plot reasons (e.g. Das Boot), has very few characters active at the same time (e.g. Moon), or simply values accurate portrayal of an unequal historical setting above pandering to prejudice.
Ironically, at the other end of the spectrum, there are undoubtedly numerous porn-with-a-plot films in which two or more named female characters discuss the events of a framing story in between their ‘scenes’. That’s enough to pass the ‘test’, but good luck arguing the gender equality of the writing!